erroneus, I think you hit it spot on with your points. I spent some time working in Japan and concerning the cultural aspects, I made the same observations that you mentioned. Although strong in technical diversity and innovation, perhaps Japan needs to expand its diversity and innovation in the area of business culture.
I am currently getting my Masters in Information Systems with a specialty in security. I have 15 years experience in the field including senior executive and operations targeting bad actors. However, in one of my classes, the TA would give me poor grades on my essays whenever I would write about and cite from my professional experiences and research. I decided from then on to just regurgitate the material from the PowerPoints and reading material (much of which I disagreed with, or was outdated). Guess what? My grades improved drastically. The funny thing was that the TA was a lifetime student with barely any real life professional experience.
there was geothermal plants on the big island, in the 1980s, but there was a lot debate, mainly how some of the native hawaiian groups believed the plants were disrespectful to the land and their religion.
Considering how many bank accounts, credit card numbers, and personally identifiable information have already been compromised, I think 99% secure is more than we can hope for.
800 includes virus infections as well. Lets see there are about 150,000 employees of DHS, so assumining there is at least 1 computer per employee, there must somewhere in the range of150,000 computers? Lets be conservative and say 100,000 computers. 800 incidents, that is less then 1%. Now take any other enterprise with that many computers, you IT guys tell me, is under 1% rate for computers without virus infections or intrusions a failure? Hell it isn't perfect, but it should be expected.
The bottom line is I dont care what kind of agency, business, enterprise, securing that many computers is impossible no matter what. You always have the human factor involved. Once you get 150,000 people thinking security (impossible to do) then you can be close to perfect..
Actually, in my experience, because police are held to a higher standard, they have been persecuted more agressively and given a lot harder punishments than the general public commiting equal crimes. I have seen one cop going to jail for 4 years for refusing to testify against a police officer he witnessed assault a prisoner. Heck, you rarely see citizens go to jail for 4 years for actually commiting such assaults, let alone refusing to testify as a witness. Usually prosecutors and judges want to make examples out of bad cops. Of course each venue is different. I worked in a large metro area where everything cops did were looked under a microscope and highly scrutized. It's probably different in other areas. I agree that certain departments or municipalities have considerable higher rates of corruption than others. But that is an entire new area of debate that brings in entirely new issues.
Concerning the technicalities of the radar gun. Heck, cops or citizens, the judicial systems should be equal in that respects. And it is no mere technicality. It should be policy for tools used in the trade to be propertly calibrated tested, and the users should be properly trained. We did it all the time. We EXPECTED to be questioned about that by a defense attorney.
And about the arrogance of cops. Well I agree that larger portion of cops seem to be more arrogant than the general public, but that is not limited to cops. But I could say the same about polititians, doctors, pilots, lawyers, etc. Any job where there is an increase in power or responsibility. Plus, arrogance is a personality trait that nothing to do with corruption or being a bad cop. I also believe the day-in and day-out dealings with situations and people cops have to regularly deal with affects their personalities.
So what if a cop wants to catch up to a speeder to pace him? If he turns on the lights and sirens, the car slows down before the cop can catch up to him to start his pace. What about cases that are important to get to quickly, but not at blazing lights and sirens pace such as arguments? There are situations where cops have to speed without lights and sirens. It my experience, if you turn on lights and sirens, it could increase the chances of causing an accident depending on the environment (some people panic when they see sirents and stop dead in their tracks.) So sometimes it's a judgement call. People should stop being so critical over small things, and be critical over important issues, such as real abuses of power -- cops who steal, beat up prisoners, who can be bribed, plant evidence, etc...
Where in my post did I say the police should not be policed? Where have I said that police abuse should be accepted? I don't understand what claim you are talking about? My claim is that in general, police are not the abusive power hungry ass-holes who only care about their jobs and not the welfare of the community as others had stated. I am a strong proponent of bad cops being weeded out, fired, or prosecuted. I hate bad cops because what they do is wrong, but also they create a bad image for the majority of good ones, thus making their jobs harder.
And concerning the arrest of the someone being critical of out work? If you read the article, the police officer made a criminal complaint just as any citizen could have the right to do for stalking/harassment because of the emails that were sent. The cop has that right as a citizen.
Don't be shocked as the tyrants find more ways to increase their power of tyranny. They are not here to help you, there are not here to protect you -- there are there to protect their own incomes and pensions
Remember, cops are not here to protect you, there are there to protect their jobs -- and many of them love the power they wield over the average citizen. Why else do we have cop unions?
Even "nice" cops are fundamentally in love with their power over others. And this includes some of my relatives in law enforcement. They just love the fact that they can make your life hell if you are just an average joe.
It has been my experience, meeting many cops in a variety of circumstances*, that yes, many ARE power-tripping assholes.
Of course the police abuse their power. That is what power is for.
Further evidence to support my theory that once a person becomes a police officer they also become a total douche bag.
Yes, I have read the article.
Have you read the comments?! Perhaps you need to read a lot of these comments first, because the first part of my post (the cop bashing) addresed the comments a lot of people were making here. The second part addressed the article.
Man I am sick of hearing all you cop haters with your one sided statements such as "They are not here to protect you, they are here to protect their jobs," or statements about them abusing they powers.
Spending 5 years of my very early life as a police officer I have a very different and accurate opinion. Firstly, it's sick to hear the bashers with the statements after of risking my life to protect the public.
Yes, I have had several near death incidents protecting you: almost got struck by cars on roadways trying to help people stranded on the freeways or while responding to motor vehicle collisions, got shots fired in my direction while a person was taken hostage, climbed down steep high cliffs to save the passengers of a car that had tumbled down onto a ledge, ran into a burning building to save elderly at a care home.
That is not to mention the everyday things like scuffling with a disorderly person who is drunk or high on meth, or trying to arrest the irate spouse beater.
Or how about all the non-injurious things I did that made a difference in someone's life? The countless talks I had with teens who ran away because they hated school or their parents or the ones I had with the depressed and suicidal patients I took in for mental observations. How about all those elementary schools I visited and did outreach with the students, trying to veer them away from drug use and try to give them self confidence. (For you who don't see drug use as a big deal, then you probably have never seen the effects of crystal methamphetamine).
So to all your cop haters, maybe you should actually TALK to a cop and see what his job is really about, instead of just guessing within the comfort of your own home behind your computer screen, basing what you know about law enforcement from what you see in movies, cops, and from getting a ticket.
It's always damned if you do, damned if you don't. Like that one buffoon who made a complaint because of the blue lights were bothering him. He complained about the cops doing their jobs protecting his neighborhood. So what do the cops do? Don't patrol his neighborhood? If you all could experience being a cop, then you would understand this dilemma!
Moving on to the topic. I have a few key points to bring up. Was the cop on duty or was he off duty? If he was on duty, then there should be no issue. Why would an on duty cop who is traveling 17 miles over the speed limit be abusing his power? Take these following situations:
1) Cop is addressing this resident's complaint and sees someone speeding so chases after him. He has to speed in order to catch up to him and to pace him. Duh?
2) Cop has a call. Perhaps you are at home and someone is trying to break in. Now do you want him to follow the speed limit while the burglar is assaulting you?
Perhaps the cop was off duty. Yes he should not speed, but the evidence presented by this resident should not be admissible. PERIOD. Why? Because evidence is held to a high standard, that it is highly unlikely this resident followed such standards. I would ask, what type/model/make of radar gun is he using and has it been accepted in court. Has the radar been serviced and correctly calibrated? Is there a time/date stamp mechanism and has that been properly calibrated? Has the image capture been properly calibrated with the radar? Has any official agency used this exact setup and has the operation been properly tested and documented. Were there any other cars in the area and did the camera pick up any other cars? Unlike laser, radar is wide dispersed, so there has to be some judgment on which car was actually traveling that speed. You would want this same type of checks and balances if YOU were to get a ticket from a cop. It's wrong to get a ticket for going 70 when you were only going 60 right?
But the MAIN reason is that this citizen does not have any legal right to issue any type of traffic complaint. At most his complaint should be taken as a internal investigation.
Finally most of you are making conclusions about the resident being prosecuted or looked at for stalking. Well after reading that VERY short article, there is not much you can conclude. There is probably a lot more to the story than you can infer from such a short article.
The most important thing is that she (it) has an off button so that when you guys are done with it for the night, you can can back to playing World of Warcraft and not have to spoon with her (it) for an hour before she falls asleep.
Am I right?
You know, pay me a tenth of what is being charge and I will set up a few of these Sony cameras for them that will do the same trick! Although I would hate to give them up from my collection. What else will I do at the beach each weekend now?
Actually Bruce Sterling has a lot of good things to say about the U.S. Secret Service in that book.
You are probably referring to the Steve Jackson Games incident that occured well over a decade ago. Why would you hold one mistake that happened a while ago over an entire agencies head? Look at every government and corporate entity and you can find even bigger mistakes made in their history. FBI for example. Ruby Ridge? Waco? All them spies they hired? Their Forensics lab? etc etc etc...
Look at your life and I am sure you have made your share of mistakes a decade ago too!
According to 18USC1030, one of the the criminal codes that shadowcrew was prosecuted under, the U.S. Secret Service has jurisdiction for inevstigating computer fraud. Here is a copy of the law.
Naum,I agree with you 100%. In fact I thought about that while writing the post. But then I thought about Europe's "caste" system and how the industrial revolution created a middle class.
The fact that call centers have flourished in India will excel the high tech industry there. So I thoerize that eventually the rich kids will gravatate towards to management jobs once when opportunities are created, and the call center positions will trickle down to the less fortunate.
Yes there are bad people everywhere so regardless where you set up shop, someone will take advantage. But, there are a lot of uncontrollable issues that arise when outsourcing to another country. Some which I will refer to are related to the enforcement and prosecution of perpertrators. For example:
1) in certain countries, there are no (or very weak laws) against the theft of "information." Mainly this is because the laws only relate to "tangible" items.
2) in certain countries, doing a background check on an applicant is almost impossible.
3) in certain countries, it is acceptable and commonplace to pay off police in lieu of prosecution.
4) in certain countries (and I know this is true in India) it could take as much as 20 years before a case goes to trial
For the bank, it's the cost of doing business. And really, the losses are nothing compared to the money saved by outsourcing.
I was anti outsourcing until one day I was riding in a car through the slums of Mumbai observing the extreme poverty that most of us could not comprehend. Then it dawned on me how outsourcing is important to young Indians.
Seventh Magpie
So what came first? The CPU? Or the computer that built the CPU?
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You know everyone in a while it is nice to reminisce about the good old days. Back when it was unpopular to use computers. You knew if you met someone on a bbs or at a computer club meeting, he or she (sometimes she, but rarely) would be just as geeky as you. You were into computers not because it was cool, or because your job required you to, or to make money, or to pick up girls, but because you loved exploring this new frontier.
I remember when I was about 8 or 9 playing outside when my dad came walking home from the bus stop after work with a Commodore Vic-20 on his shoulder. My life changed from that day on. We used to sit down and program BASIC taking turns reading and typing code from Compute's Gazette. Spending hours trying to debug after because the programs never worked on first try! Boy life was grand back then.
But then again, I am sure if I read that book, it would make me sad in a way as well. I kind of miss the good old days and one can never go back.
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If it means anything to anyone, Matthew Geiger is from CERT (cert.org) not US-CERT. There is actually a big difference - more credibility.
erroneus, I think you hit it spot on with your points. I spent some time working in Japan and concerning the cultural aspects, I made the same observations that you mentioned. Although strong in technical diversity and innovation, perhaps Japan needs to expand its diversity and innovation in the area of business culture.
I am currently getting my Masters in Information Systems with a specialty in security. I have 15 years experience in the field including senior executive and operations targeting bad actors. However, in one of my classes, the TA would give me poor grades on my essays whenever I would write about and cite from my professional experiences and research. I decided from then on to just regurgitate the material from the PowerPoints and reading material (much of which I disagreed with, or was outdated). Guess what? My grades improved drastically. The funny thing was that the TA was a lifetime student with barely any real life professional experience.
there was geothermal plants on the big island, in the 1980s, but there was a lot debate, mainly how some of the native hawaiian groups believed the plants were disrespectful to the land and their religion.
Considering how many bank accounts, credit card numbers, and personally identifiable information have already been compromised, I think 99% secure is more than we can hope for.
amen. you hit it perfect.
800 includes virus infections as well. Lets see there are about 150,000 employees of DHS, so assumining there is at least 1 computer per employee, there must somewhere in the range of150,000 computers? Lets be conservative and say 100,000 computers. 800 incidents, that is less then 1%. Now take any other enterprise with that many computers, you IT guys tell me, is under 1% rate for computers without virus infections or intrusions a failure? Hell it isn't perfect, but it should be expected.
The bottom line is I dont care what kind of agency, business, enterprise, securing that many computers is impossible no matter what. You always have the human factor involved. Once you get 150,000 people thinking security (impossible to do) then you can be close to perfect..
Actually, in my experience, because police are held to a higher standard, they have been persecuted more agressively and given a lot harder punishments than the general public commiting equal crimes. I have seen one cop going to jail for 4 years for refusing to testify against a police officer he witnessed assault a prisoner. Heck, you rarely see citizens go to jail for 4 years for actually commiting such assaults, let alone refusing to testify as a witness. Usually prosecutors and judges want to make examples out of bad cops. Of course each venue is different. I worked in a large metro area where everything cops did were looked under a microscope and highly scrutized. It's probably different in other areas. I agree that certain departments or municipalities have considerable higher rates of corruption than others. But that is an entire new area of debate that brings in entirely new issues.
Concerning the technicalities of the radar gun. Heck, cops or citizens, the judicial systems should be equal in that respects. And it is no mere technicality. It should be policy for tools used in the trade to be propertly calibrated tested, and the users should be properly trained. We did it all the time. We EXPECTED to be questioned about that by a defense attorney.
And about the arrogance of cops. Well I agree that larger portion of cops seem to be more arrogant than the general public, but that is not limited to cops. But I could say the same about polititians, doctors, pilots, lawyers, etc. Any job where there is an increase in power or responsibility. Plus, arrogance is a personality trait that nothing to do with corruption or being a bad cop. I also believe the day-in and day-out dealings with situations and people cops have to regularly deal with affects their personalities.
So what if a cop wants to catch up to a speeder to pace him? If he turns on the lights and sirens, the car slows down before the cop can catch up to him to start his pace. What about cases that are important to get to quickly, but not at blazing lights and sirens pace such as arguments? There are situations where cops have to speed without lights and sirens. It my experience, if you turn on lights and sirens, it could increase the chances of causing an accident depending on the environment (some people panic when they see sirents and stop dead in their tracks.) So sometimes it's a judgement call. People should stop being so critical over small things, and be critical over important issues, such as real abuses of power -- cops who steal, beat up prisoners, who can be bribed, plant evidence, etc...
hahah sheesh. I has been over 2 years since I last posted here. I forgot to select plain text and to preview. Thanks for the laugh!
Where in my post did I say the police should not be policed? Where have I said that police abuse should be accepted? I don't understand what claim you are talking about? My claim is that in general, police are not the abusive power hungry ass-holes who only care about their jobs and not the welfare of the community as others had stated. I am a strong proponent of bad cops being weeded out, fired, or prosecuted. I hate bad cops because what they do is wrong, but also they create a bad image for the majority of good ones, thus making their jobs harder.
And concerning the arrest of the someone being critical of out work? If you read the article, the police officer made a criminal complaint just as any citizen could have the right to do for stalking/harassment because of the emails that were sent. The cop has that right as a citizen.
The police are not there to protect the citizen
Don't be shocked as the tyrants find more ways to increase their power of tyranny. They are not here to help you, there are not here to protect you -- there are there to protect their own incomes and pensions
Remember, cops are not here to protect you, there are there to protect their jobs -- and many of them love the power they wield over the average citizen. Why else do we have cop unions?
Even "nice" cops are fundamentally in love with their power over others. And this includes some of my relatives in law enforcement. They just love the fact that they can make your life hell if you are just an average joe.
It has been my experience, meeting many cops in a variety of circumstances*, that yes, many ARE power-tripping assholes.
Of course the police abuse their power. That is what power is for.
Further evidence to support my theory that once a person becomes a police officer they also become a total douche bag.
Yes, I have read the article. Have you read the comments?! Perhaps you need to read a lot of these comments first, because the first part of my post (the cop bashing) addresed the comments a lot of people were making here. The second part addressed the article.
Man I am sick of hearing all you cop haters with your one sided statements such as "They are not here to protect you, they are here to protect their jobs," or statements about them abusing they powers. Spending 5 years of my very early life as a police officer I have a very different and accurate opinion. Firstly, it's sick to hear the bashers with the statements after of risking my life to protect the public. Yes, I have had several near death incidents protecting you: almost got struck by cars on roadways trying to help people stranded on the freeways or while responding to motor vehicle collisions, got shots fired in my direction while a person was taken hostage, climbed down steep high cliffs to save the passengers of a car that had tumbled down onto a ledge, ran into a burning building to save elderly at a care home. That is not to mention the everyday things like scuffling with a disorderly person who is drunk or high on meth, or trying to arrest the irate spouse beater. Or how about all the non-injurious things I did that made a difference in someone's life? The countless talks I had with teens who ran away because they hated school or their parents or the ones I had with the depressed and suicidal patients I took in for mental observations. How about all those elementary schools I visited and did outreach with the students, trying to veer them away from drug use and try to give them self confidence. (For you who don't see drug use as a big deal, then you probably have never seen the effects of crystal methamphetamine). So to all your cop haters, maybe you should actually TALK to a cop and see what his job is really about, instead of just guessing within the comfort of your own home behind your computer screen, basing what you know about law enforcement from what you see in movies, cops, and from getting a ticket. It's always damned if you do, damned if you don't. Like that one buffoon who made a complaint because of the blue lights were bothering him. He complained about the cops doing their jobs protecting his neighborhood. So what do the cops do? Don't patrol his neighborhood? If you all could experience being a cop, then you would understand this dilemma! Moving on to the topic. I have a few key points to bring up. Was the cop on duty or was he off duty? If he was on duty, then there should be no issue. Why would an on duty cop who is traveling 17 miles over the speed limit be abusing his power? Take these following situations: 1) Cop is addressing this resident's complaint and sees someone speeding so chases after him. He has to speed in order to catch up to him and to pace him. Duh? 2) Cop has a call. Perhaps you are at home and someone is trying to break in. Now do you want him to follow the speed limit while the burglar is assaulting you? Perhaps the cop was off duty. Yes he should not speed, but the evidence presented by this resident should not be admissible. PERIOD. Why? Because evidence is held to a high standard, that it is highly unlikely this resident followed such standards. I would ask, what type/model/make of radar gun is he using and has it been accepted in court. Has the radar been serviced and correctly calibrated? Is there a time/date stamp mechanism and has that been properly calibrated? Has the image capture been properly calibrated with the radar? Has any official agency used this exact setup and has the operation been properly tested and documented. Were there any other cars in the area and did the camera pick up any other cars? Unlike laser, radar is wide dispersed, so there has to be some judgment on which car was actually traveling that speed. You would want this same type of checks and balances if YOU were to get a ticket from a cop. It's wrong to get a ticket for going 70 when you were only going 60 right? But the MAIN reason is that this citizen does not have any legal right to issue any type of traffic complaint. At most his complaint should be taken as a internal investigation. Finally most of you are making conclusions about the resident being prosecuted or looked at for stalking. Well after reading that VERY short article, there is not much you can conclude. There is probably a lot more to the story than you can infer from such a short article.
The most important thing is that she (it) has an off button so that when you guys are done with it for the night, you can can back to playing World of Warcraft and not have to spoon with her (it) for an hour before she falls asleep. Am I right?
Now it should be "Domo Arigato, MRS Roboto!"
You know, pay me a tenth of what is being charge and I will set up a few of these Sony cameras for them that will do the same trick! Although I would hate to give them up from my collection. What else will I do at the beach each weekend now?
I would imagine one of the first things they build on the moon is a good Chinese restaurant.
Actually Bruce Sterling has a lot of good things to say about the U.S. Secret Service in that book. You are probably referring to the Steve Jackson Games incident that occured well over a decade ago. Why would you hold one mistake that happened a while ago over an entire agencies head? Look at every government and corporate entity and you can find even bigger mistakes made in their history. FBI for example. Ruby Ridge? Waco? All them spies they hired? Their Forensics lab? etc etc etc... Look at your life and I am sure you have made your share of mistakes a decade ago too!
According to 18USC1030, one of the the criminal codes that shadowcrew was prosecuted under, the U.S. Secret Service has jurisdiction for inevstigating computer fraud. Here is a copy of the law.
Naum,I agree with you 100%. In fact I thought about that while writing the post. But then I thought about Europe's "caste" system and how the industrial revolution created a middle class.
The fact that call centers have flourished in India will excel the high tech industry there. So I thoerize that eventually the rich kids will gravatate towards to management jobs once when opportunities are created, and the call center positions will trickle down to the less fortunate.
Sevent Magpie
Yes there are bad people everywhere so regardless where you set up shop, someone will take advantage. But, there are a lot of uncontrollable issues that arise when outsourcing to another country. Some which I will refer to are related to the enforcement and prosecution of perpertrators. For example: 1) in certain countries, there are no (or very weak laws) against the theft of "information." Mainly this is because the laws only relate to "tangible" items. 2) in certain countries, doing a background check on an applicant is almost impossible. 3) in certain countries, it is acceptable and commonplace to pay off police in lieu of prosecution. 4) in certain countries (and I know this is true in India) it could take as much as 20 years before a case goes to trial For the bank, it's the cost of doing business. And really, the losses are nothing compared to the money saved by outsourcing. I was anti outsourcing until one day I was riding in a car through the slums of Mumbai observing the extreme poverty that most of us could not comprehend. Then it dawned on me how outsourcing is important to young Indians. Seventh Magpie
They even have an annual conference. Check out this site for a laugh!
So what came first? The CPU? Or the computer that built the CPU?
You know everyone in a while it is nice to reminisce about the good old days. Back when it was unpopular to use computers. You knew if you met someone on a bbs or at a computer club meeting, he or she (sometimes she, but rarely) would be just as geeky as you. You were into computers not because it was cool, or because your job required you to, or to make money, or to pick up girls, but because you loved exploring this new frontier. I remember when I was about 8 or 9 playing outside when my dad came walking home from the bus stop after work with a Commodore Vic-20 on his shoulder. My life changed from that day on. We used to sit down and program BASIC taking turns reading and typing code from Compute's Gazette. Spending hours trying to debug after because the programs never worked on first try! Boy life was grand back then. But then again, I am sure if I read that book, it would make me sad in a way as well. I kind of miss the good old days and one can never go back.