This is Manning, not Snowden. Manning had nothing to do with the NSA. It was Snowden that was involved with NSA.
I'm not surprised you've confused the two as there seems to be a lot of confusion about the whole topic. Maybe it will start to sort itself out after the next disaster, maybe not. There are still people that deny al Qaida exists, that it attacked on 9/11, and that al Qaida has its own goals and values that have nothing to do with the US other than incidentally. I guess I'm thankful that at least the "9/11 was a false flag" trolls have pretty much died off here. It is almost enough to make you believe in miracles.
There wasn't much question of what he had done - he admitted to a number of charges as it was. At the moment he could be facing up to 130 years in prison minus ~200 days from part of his pretrial confinement found to be excessive
Snowden would probably be looking at a similar outcome.
Hard to say what, if any, impact this could possibly have on any charges that might be filed involving Assange.
When I was raised we called America, "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave." Calling ourselves something that echoed "Fatherland," or "Motherland" would have met revulsion. Those were appellations for Nazis and Communists.
When did the United States change its name? It hasn't, has it? No, there is simply one of many departments of the Federal government that has "Homeland" as part of its name. Do you know why? In most countries the government department or ministry that performs that sort of function is called the Interior Ministry. That name was already taken in the US by a department that does something quite different:
Despite its name, the Department of the Interior has a different role from that of the interior ministries of other nations, which are usually responsible for routine police functions which are largely performed in the U.S. by state and local governments and national security and immigration functions which are performed by the Department of Homeland Security primarily and the Department of Justice secondarily. -- Department of the Interior
The Congress gave it a name that functionally describes what it does, and moved existing agencies to a new reporting structure. That isn't particularly nefarious. They could have named it the "Department of Rainbows, Unicorns, and Puppies," but it would have only confused people, and nothing would have really changed.
We despised the KGM, Stasi, and SS for their total surveillance.
I assume you mean "KGB." - No, the above were despised for mass murder, brutality, suppression of political, religious, and economic freedom, massive violations of all manner of human rights, and many other terrible crimes, including genocide. Odd that you left that out.
Being stopped to show your papers on a public road was THE test for whether you lived in a totalitarian state.
I'm pretty sure that the requirement of producing a driver's license on demand by the police or other authorities predates the birth of pretty much anyone posting on Slashdot. Resident aliens always have to be ready to prove their identity and legal status.
Now we have the NSA violating the highest law of our land at will,
Not if they are getting warrants and court orders.
We will see if Americans still have enough moxy, enough self-awareness as a free people to rise up and re-assert their freedom,
Governments still change by means of the vote in the United States. The only "rising up" that truly needs to be done is for people to keep themselves informed and then rise up from their seat to go vote, or to mail the occasional letter to an office holder.
Americans are still free in fact, some merely imagine themselves to live in chains. The thing that truly needs to be freed is your and their minds.
I came to fully realize this is now a police state when they started using the word "Homeland"... last time terms like that were used to describe one's own country was the Nazi "Fatherland"...
Well, with an insight like that, how could it not be true? Do you know what the "Department of Homeland Security" is? It is mainly a regrouping of agencies that existed before 9/11 under a new cabinet level department head, staff, and department bureaucracy to run the department and coordinate its efforts to prevent major terrorist attacks. If you weren't wetting yourself before 9/11, why are you now? If they changed the name to "Department of Rainbows, Unicorns, and Puppies," would you then feel free and happy?
If you want to call the US a police state, I think you have some questions to answer: When did the "police state" cancel the vote? When did the "police state" shut down shutdown the newspapers, radio, and TV stations? Mind you, not just arrest a reporter here or there for breaking the law, but actually show down the newspapers, radio, and TV stations? When did the "police state" stop you from traveling without an internal passport? When did the "police state" dismantle all of the political opposition parties and jail the leadership? When did the "police state" suspend habeas corpus? (We not talking about prisoners of war - historically they never head that right.) When did the "police state" institute mandatory censorship of the media? (As opposed to the traditional water carrying for their ideologically favored party?) When did the "police state" close the churches? When did the "police state" start imprisoning people for criticizing the president? When did the "police state" start having people fired from their jobs for not supporting the government? When did the "police state" start punishing people for wanting to leave the country? When did the "police state" stop using jury trials? When did the "police state" start banning books?
The US isn't a police state, and won't be one until it does the things that police states actually do. Surveillance all by itself isn't it.
Lets not forget the slow and steady downmodding over hours/days/weeks of any well reasoned posts/facts that tear down Cold Fjords frequently used straw-man arguments.
If a "slow and steady downmodding" actually occurs, it is because the mod points are given out to random people that disagree with the moderation. Believe it or not, not everybody is going to agree with the... fringe... opinions posted by the accounts for you and Anachragnome.
It is often asserted that I make "straw-man" arguments, it is much more rarely proven. Just about anyone asserting that is going to be at a disadvantage since I often simply quote facts that are disagreeable to another poster. I would love to see some examples if you have them.
What really worries me is how often he gets his stories posted on Slashdot - WTF is with that!?
I'm not even close to the top for having stories posted, or submitted. When I do submit them I try to limit them to stories that I think may be of interest. This is the previous story I submitted that was posted: US Gained A Decade of Flynn Effect IQ Points After Adding Iodine to Salt
Do you think there is something nefarious about that?
Best bet is to just use the flag post report on his more dubious posts (there are plenty to go around).
I'm curious, what will be the rationale for flagging my comments? "Teacher! Cold Fjord posted something I disagree with!! It's like he has a different opinion!" Goodness knows we can't have people with different opinions running around unchecked. Or are you simply auditioning for the Thought Police? Maybe your post that might be taken as advocacy for civil rights are a ruse.
This isn't a US-centric POV, it is the countries that China is bullying that find its behavior obnoxious. That is why the countries that China is bullying are taking their current actions. I'm not really sure how you could be confused on that point.
China is currently trying to take territory from the Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, and there may be others. What parts of Latin America is the United States currently trying to annex? China is militarily threatening many nations around it. Which nations is the US actively threatening, including putting troops ashore on disputed territories, and ramming ships at sea?
I guess some ACs really hate keeping up with current events. *sigh*
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I've heard there are still places running VMS-based hardware.
There is still plenty of VMS running out there. There are still places that have made serious investments in new VMS hardware within the last couple of years. From what I have seen VMS sites/users tend to be as loyal as Unix users. There are still some things about VMS that Unixland lags on.
That is going to start drying up now that HP has announced EOL for VMS.
It would be interesting to see HP sell it to someone. They never really seemed to care for it.
but it should be somewhere because US is following that to the letter and the rest of their (for now) allies are following the example.
It is China's arrogant, bullying, overbearing behavior, treating its neighbors like the vassal states of Imperial China, trying to take their territory, that is driving its neighbors to affirm their defensive alliances, and seek new arms to defend themselves.
Trying to blame this on the US and its allies simply demonstrates you either pay no attention to the news, or have a pathological animus towards the US.
India has more than nuclear weapons. It has nuclear armed neighbors (Pakistan, China) with designs on its territory. One of those neighbors, Pakistan, has fought several wars against India, and has been both a host and sponsor of terrorism against India. Pakistan is riddled with terrorists and faces an insurgency by Islamists of the Taliban flavor for control of the country, and ultimately its nuclear weapons. India is not far from Afghanistan, long a hot bed of extremist Islam and terrorists. India has fought skirmishes against the Chinese army in the past, and Chinese troops have occupied territory claimed by India. India also has an insurgency in part of the country by Maoist guerillas. (That would be Mao as in Chairman Mao, former leader of the People's Republic of China.) There is little distance separating India from Iran. Iran is a major sponsor of Islamist extremists, and terrorism world wide. Iran also has long range missiles, and has been found to have developed plans for a nuclear warhead that would fit their missiles. Iran is currently refining uranium on a growing number of centrifuges. Another neighbor is Myanmar nee Burma, which was reported to be developing nuclear weapons with cooperation from North Korea (which also isn't that far away).
India, as well as China, is buying and building aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines.
Nearly all European nations resist nuclear weapons. Many Europeans and Americans resist missile defense. Europe's defenses have been shrinking massively since the end of the Cold War. The next century may be very interesting indeed. Some may find it humbling.
He's really better off just staying away from this country, because there is no way here in the "land of the free" (I mean... prison/surveillance state...) he will get his rights to due process and a speedy and fair trial.
Snowden would get a fair trial. The problem is he actually committed the offenses he would be charged with, and has openly admitted it. There isn't much question of his guilt. The issue is that you, and other people, think he should be excused for committing those offenses.
That's why he left in the first place and it was a good call.
Snowden didn't leave because he wouldn't get a fair trial, but because he would, and the outcome is predictable.
The man stole enormous amounts of Top Secret data and is making it available to anyone that cares to look. Some of the people looking include hostile foreign intelligence agencies, and terrorist groups.
Oh look, another company to whom I've entered into a commercial agreement with that now has a right to my entire browsing history and "public metadata". Super.
Any ideas on why we are reading about Norwegians tracking the sun when the following article now sits on the third page of the submissions Firehose?
"NSA Still Funded to Spy On US Phone Records,Vote Fails
Yes, there are several things tied into that. You read and post on stories on the main page, not stories in the submission queue. Even if that story was on the front page, I would still be reading and posting in this story because it interests me as it does the other people reading and posting in this story. Not every story has to be about the NSA. You also seem to overlook the fact that many Europeans and citizens of other countries would have limited interest in votes for purely domestic American policy as that vote was. There had already been a story on the vote two days ago when it could still have influence. The information in the story you refer to was incomplete, as I recall, and the vote was over so the story couldn't influence events anyway. The defense bill is on its way to the Senate. There will have to be a separate bill and lobbying performed to get the amendment passed on its own merits as a bill.
Based on your UID I know you aren't new here, so you know how things work. Could there be another reason why this baffles you?
I hope you get a grip at some point. Now, can we get back to this interesting story with no further outbursts from you about the NSA or "forum breakers" and forum spies? Please?
We should have H1B Visas for lawyers and politicians. It would be amazing how quickly the program would be shut down then.
I doubt you could do anything about politicians. The legal profession is heading for trouble. It is getting harder and harder for lawyers for find a good job coming out of law school (with that massive debt), law school enrollments are dropping, law schools are laying off faculty. There are a lot of things feeding into that, including over selling of law degrees, computer and web based legal services, and off-shore legal work. Off shore accounting work is also increasing with the usual implications for accountants.
If a tax preparer gets you an unexpected refund this year, you may have an accountant in India to thank. That's because accounting firms are joining the outsourcing trend established years ago by cost-conscious American manufacturers. In fact, companies in a number of unexpected industries are now sending work overseas. From scientific lab analysis to medical billing, the service-sector workforce has gone global. CPA firms are just one example. In the 2002 tax year, accounting firms sent some 25,000 tax returns to be completed by accountants in India. This year, that number is expected to quadruple. -- more
That collection of mod points you think I have is all in your head. I hate to tell you, but it is every day Slashdot moderators rating you, including those down mods.
Slashdot Mirror
This is Manning, not Snowden. Manning had nothing to do with the NSA. It was Snowden that was involved with NSA.
I'm not surprised you've confused the two as there seems to be a lot of confusion about the whole topic. Maybe it will start to sort itself out after the next disaster, maybe not. There are still people that deny al Qaida exists, that it attacked on 9/11, and that al Qaida has its own goals and values that have nothing to do with the US other than incidentally. I guess I'm thankful that at least the "9/11 was a false flag" trolls have pretty much died off here. It is almost enough to make you believe in miracles.
There wasn't much question of what he had done - he admitted to a number of charges as it was. At the moment he could be facing up to 130 years in prison minus ~200 days from part of his pretrial confinement found to be excessive
Snowden would probably be looking at a similar outcome.
Hard to say what, if any, impact this could possibly have on any charges that might be filed involving Assange.
Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k
I think you might need to get some of the crap out of your keyboard. Your "U", "I" and "C" keys seem to be outputting asterisks for some reason.
That's not garbage in the keyboard, it's backed up garbage between the ears. It probably has a tendency to leak out of the mouth too.
When I was raised we called America, "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave." Calling ourselves something that echoed "Fatherland," or "Motherland" would have met revulsion. Those were appellations for Nazis and Communists.
When did the United States change its name? It hasn't, has it? No, there is simply one of many departments of the Federal government that has "Homeland" as part of its name. Do you know why? In most countries the government department or ministry that performs that sort of function is called the Interior Ministry. That name was already taken in the US by a department that does something quite different:
The Congress gave it a name that functionally describes what it does, and moved existing agencies to a new reporting structure. That isn't particularly nefarious. They could have named it the "Department of Rainbows, Unicorns, and Puppies," but it would have only confused people, and nothing would have really changed.
We despised the KGM, Stasi, and SS for their total surveillance.
I assume you mean "KGB." - No, the above were despised for mass murder, brutality, suppression of political, religious, and economic freedom, massive violations of all manner of human rights, and many other terrible crimes, including genocide. Odd that you left that out.
Being stopped to show your papers on a public road was THE test for whether you lived in a totalitarian state.
I'm pretty sure that the requirement of producing a driver's license on demand by the police or other authorities predates the birth of pretty much anyone posting on Slashdot. Resident aliens always have to be ready to prove their identity and legal status.
Now we have the NSA violating the highest law of our land at will,
Not if they are getting warrants and court orders.
We will see if Americans still have enough moxy, enough self-awareness as a free people to rise up and re-assert their freedom,
Governments still change by means of the vote in the United States. The only "rising up" that truly needs to be done is for people to keep themselves informed and then rise up from their seat to go vote, or to mail the occasional letter to an office holder.
Americans are still free in fact, some merely imagine themselves to live in chains. The thing that truly needs to be freed is your and their minds.
I came to fully realize this is now a police state when they started using the word "Homeland"... last time terms like that were used to describe one's own country was the Nazi "Fatherland"...
Well, with an insight like that, how could it not be true? Do you know what the "Department of Homeland Security" is? It is mainly a regrouping of agencies that existed before 9/11 under a new cabinet level department head, staff, and department bureaucracy to run the department and coordinate its efforts to prevent major terrorist attacks. If you weren't wetting yourself before 9/11, why are you now? If they changed the name to "Department of Rainbows, Unicorns, and Puppies," would you then feel free and happy?
If you want to call the US a police state, I think you have some questions to answer: When did the "police state" cancel the vote? When did the "police state" shut down shutdown the newspapers, radio, and TV stations? Mind you, not just arrest a reporter here or there for breaking the law, but actually show down the newspapers, radio, and TV stations? When did the "police state" stop you from traveling without an internal passport? When did the "police state" dismantle all of the political opposition parties and jail the leadership? When did the "police state" suspend habeas corpus? (We not talking about prisoners of war - historically they never head that right.) When did the "police state" institute mandatory censorship of the media? (As opposed to the traditional water carrying for their ideologically favored party?) When did the "police state" close the churches? When did the "police state" start imprisoning people for criticizing the president? When did the "police state" start having people fired from their jobs for not supporting the government? When did the "police state" start punishing people for wanting to leave the country? When did the "police state" stop using jury trials? When did the "police state" start banning books?
The US isn't a police state, and won't be one until it does the things that police states actually do. Surveillance all by itself isn't it.
Rifle cartridges tend to have quite a bit more power than pistol cartridges.
Chamber pressure:
.45 ACP maximum pressure 140 MPa / 21,000 psi
Rifle: 7.62x51mm maximum pressure 415 MPa / 60,191 psi
Rifle: 5.56x54mm maximum pressure 430 MPa / 62,366 psi
Pistol:
Pistol: 9x19mm maximum pressure 235 MPa / 34,084 psi
Pistol: 9x17mm maximum pressure 148 MPa / 21,500 psi
IIRC, the 9x17mm (.380) was used in some earlier 3D printed pistol tests with limited success.
Most people receiving medical treatment after being shot by a pistol will live. Mortality is much higher for those shot by a rifle.
Lets not forget the slow and steady downmodding over hours/days/weeks of any well reasoned posts/facts that tear down Cold Fjords frequently used straw-man arguments.
If a "slow and steady downmodding" actually occurs, it is because the mod points are given out to random people that disagree with the moderation. Believe it or not, not everybody is going to agree with the ... fringe... opinions posted by the accounts for you and Anachragnome.
It is often asserted that I make "straw-man" arguments, it is much more rarely proven. Just about anyone asserting that is going to be at a disadvantage since I often simply quote facts that are disagreeable to another poster. I would love to see some examples if you have them.
What really worries me is how often he gets his stories posted on Slashdot - WTF is with that!?
I'm not even close to the top for having stories posted, or submitted. When I do submit them I try to limit them to stories that I think may be of interest. This is the previous story I submitted that was posted: US Gained A Decade of Flynn Effect IQ Points After Adding Iodine to Salt
Do you think there is something nefarious about that?
Best bet is to just use the flag post report on his more dubious posts (there are plenty to go around).
I'm curious, what will be the rationale for flagging my comments? "Teacher! Cold Fjord posted something I disagree with!! It's like he has a different opinion!" Goodness knows we can't have people with different opinions running around unchecked. Or are you simply auditioning for the Thought Police? Maybe your post that might be taken as advocacy for civil rights are a ruse.
This isn't a US-centric POV, it is the countries that China is bullying that find its behavior obnoxious. That is why the countries that China is bullying are taking their current actions. I'm not really sure how you could be confused on that point.
China is currently trying to take territory from the Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, and there may be others. What parts of Latin America is the United States currently trying to annex? China is militarily threatening many nations around it. Which nations is the US actively threatening, including putting troops ashore on disputed territories, and ramming ships at sea?
I guess some ACs really hate keeping up with current events. *sigh*
I've heard there are still places running VMS-based hardware.
There is still plenty of VMS running out there. There are still places that have made serious investments in new VMS hardware within the last couple of years. From what I have seen VMS sites/users tend to be as loyal as Unix users. There are still some things about VMS that Unixland lags on.
That is going to start drying up now that HP has announced EOL for VMS.
It would be interesting to see HP sell it to someone. They never really seemed to care for it.
It's turtles, all the way down.
There have been 3rd party service providers for Sun as long as there has been a Sun Microsystems.
Yes, and they probably had an agreement with Sun/Oracle as VARs. That would be one on the likely ways to get legal access to Sun/Oracle code.
but it should be somewhere because US is following that to the letter and the rest of their (for now) allies are following the example.
It is China's arrogant, bullying, overbearing behavior, treating its neighbors like the vassal states of Imperial China, trying to take their territory, that is driving its neighbors to affirm their defensive alliances, and seek new arms to defend themselves.
Trying to blame this on the US and its allies simply demonstrates you either pay no attention to the news, or have a pathological animus towards the US.
India has more than nuclear weapons. It has nuclear armed neighbors (Pakistan, China) with designs on its territory. One of those neighbors, Pakistan, has fought several wars against India, and has been both a host and sponsor of terrorism against India. Pakistan is riddled with terrorists and faces an insurgency by Islamists of the Taliban flavor for control of the country, and ultimately its nuclear weapons. India is not far from Afghanistan, long a hot bed of extremist Islam and terrorists. India has fought skirmishes against the Chinese army in the past, and Chinese troops have occupied territory claimed by India. India also has an insurgency in part of the country by Maoist guerillas. (That would be Mao as in Chairman Mao, former leader of the People's Republic of China.) There is little distance separating India from Iran. Iran is a major sponsor of Islamist extremists, and terrorism world wide. Iran also has long range missiles, and has been found to have developed plans for a nuclear warhead that would fit their missiles. Iran is currently refining uranium on a growing number of centrifuges. Another neighbor is Myanmar nee Burma, which was reported to be developing nuclear weapons with cooperation from North Korea (which also isn't that far away).
Now India as well as China has long range ballistic missiles: Signs of an Asian Arms Buildup in India’s Missile Test. Pakistan has medium and intermediate range missiles.
India is developing a missile defense system: India to have shield from missiles of 5,000 km range
India, as well as China, is buying and building aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines.
Nearly all European nations resist nuclear weapons. Many Europeans and Americans resist missile defense. Europe's defenses have been shrinking massively since the end of the Cold War. The next century may be very interesting indeed. Some may find it humbling.
Venus has always been suspicious.
I personally find Pluto suspect.
You can understand why the Indian Army might be jumpy.
To See the Unseen
He's really better off just staying away from this country, because there is no way here in the "land of the free" (I mean... prison/surveillance state...) he will get his rights to due process and a speedy and fair trial.
Snowden would get a fair trial. The problem is he actually committed the offenses he would be charged with, and has openly admitted it. There isn't much question of his guilt. The issue is that you, and other people, think he should be excused for committing those offenses.
That's why he left in the first place and it was a good call.
Snowden didn't leave because he wouldn't get a fair trial, but because he would, and the outcome is predictable.
The man stole enormous amounts of Top Secret data and is making it available to anyone that cares to look. Some of the people looking include hostile foreign intelligence agencies, and terrorist groups.
Oh look, another company to whom I've entered into a commercial agreement with that now has a right to my entire browsing history and "public metadata". Super.
Maybe not just Huawei, but "China Ltd." as well.
Huawei has spied for Chinese government, ex-CIA boss says
I'm pretty sure GCHQ wouldn't "outsource."
Supercomputers need data. The forecast for US weather satellites is partly cloudy.
Turbulence Ahead for Weather Satellites
JPSS
Any ideas on why we are reading about Norwegians tracking the sun when the following article now sits on the third page of the submissions Firehose?
"NSA Still Funded to Spy On US Phone Records,Vote Fails
Yes, there are several things tied into that. You read and post on stories on the main page, not stories in the submission queue. Even if that story was on the front page, I would still be reading and posting in this story because it interests me as it does the other people reading and posting in this story. Not every story has to be about the NSA. You also seem to overlook the fact that many Europeans and citizens of other countries would have limited interest in votes for purely domestic American policy as that vote was. There had already been a story on the vote two days ago when it could still have influence. The information in the story you refer to was incomplete, as I recall, and the vote was over so the story couldn't influence events anyway. The defense bill is on its way to the Senate. There will have to be a separate bill and lobbying performed to get the amendment passed on its own merits as a bill.
Based on your UID I know you aren't new here, so you know how things work. Could there be another reason why this baffles you?
Oh, that's right, you think the staff are NSA plants, and me as well, as you make clear repeatedly (just 1 more of many for demonstration and brevity).
I hope you get a grip at some point. Now, can we get back to this interesting story with no further outbursts from you about the NSA or "forum breakers" and forum spies? Please?
Funny you should ask. ..... Oh!
Of course in the eyes of some, this should precede watching the second link.
We should have H1B Visas for lawyers and politicians. It would be amazing how quickly the program would be shut down then.
I doubt you could do anything about politicians. The legal profession is heading for trouble. It is getting harder and harder for lawyers for find a good job coming out of law school (with that massive debt), law school enrollments are dropping, law schools are laying off faculty. There are a lot of things feeding into that, including over selling of law degrees, computer and web based legal services, and off-shore legal work. Off shore accounting work is also increasing with the usual implications for accountants.
Law firms send case work overseas to boost efficiency - September 25, 2005
Guess which jobs are going abroad - February 25, 2004
If a tax preparer gets you an unexpected refund this year, you may have an accountant in India to thank. That's because accounting firms are joining the outsourcing trend established years ago by cost-conscious American manufacturers. In fact, companies in a number of unexpected industries are now sending work overseas. From scientific lab analysis to medical billing, the service-sector workforce has gone global. CPA firms are just one example. In the 2002 tax year, accounting firms sent some 25,000 tax returns to be completed by accountants in India. This year, that number is expected to quadruple. -- more
Australia is seeing a similar trend.
Get used to it: sending jobs overseas is the way of the future
Imperial feet or metric feet?
Some people might think it a curse. To them it is home.
That collection of mod points you think I have is all in your head. I hate to tell you, but it is every day Slashdot moderators rating you, including those down mods.
You have some mighty strange ideas.
Alex Trebek: I'm sorry Mr. Connery, but your answer must be in the form of a question.
I'm quite satisfied with the points I made. Your point was nonsense, but I image it will still fool the gullible.