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Russia Proposes Banning Foul Language On the Internet
eldavojohn writes "In a country where it's illegal to insult a government official, State Duma Deputy Yelena Mizulina has proposed an amendment to ban swearing on social networks, bulletin boards and all websites. The website would be blocked if the offending material had not been removed within 24 hours. The name of the law this would be added to? "On the protection of children from information harmful to their health and development." Mizulina's title in regards to this legislation? Chairwoman of the Committee on Family, Women and Children (No joke!). Of course, Yelena Mizulina is no stranger to unwarranted censorship as she was behind the law banning gay propaganda to minors and invoked laws to try to silence critics on twitter. The article also notes, 'United Russia deputy Vitaly Milonov put forward a similar initiative on 25 July. He proposed to tighten control over social networks and allow people to dating sites through their passports.'"
In Soviet Russia, foul language bans you!
Go F**k Yourself. And, after that, Go s**k your own d**k. Idiots. Is this enough to be arrested there? Just wondering... ..|..
I can see the future of the internet. There will always be somebody in authority wanting to ban something.
Ban foul language? Fuck that shit!
Fuck off, Russia.
"Well what the hell are we supposed to use? Harsh language?" ...aww crap....dang....errrm....!@#$%^&*(
Good fucking luck.
Nothing more need be said.
I always thought French was a foul language... Is Russia planning to ban French?
NOTE: to those who miss the subtlety... I'm trying to point out the absurdity of trying to ban anything from the internet... Especially, if it is being banned for reasons of being offensive...
How is that not the present?
Various things stated in one language may mean something different in a different language. For example, I once read that the phrase "black hole" --a well-accepted thing in Science-- qualifies as "foul language" in Russia.
Good! I'm fucking sick and goddamn tired of all of these sons of bitches who have to use that profane language shit on the fucking internet. I'm fucking glad that those Russian bastards are going to do something about those cock sucking motherfuckers!
Fuck Why the capital 'F' I do not know.
The only good things coming from Russia are dash-cam videos.
They DO live in Russia, after all. Come to think of it, that probably explains the drinking too.
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
its for the CHILDREN FOR GODS sakes!!!
never bring a twinkie to a food fight.
When are people going to learn, democracy doesn't work. -HJS
And suddenly the number of Russian speakers in Google Analytics drop to zero, as every American social media site is blocked. The Russians better figure out another way of posting to YouTube, as some of there stuff is hilarious.
Put some voice recognition on there scanning for russian cursing.
It would have the same fate as Professor Frink's sarcasm detector.
Are they planning to make the Internet the only place in Russia that's free of cursing? Cursing is more endemic to Russia than drinking.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
This will definitely work. They won't even need to resort to a filter. I'm sure that all of the teenagers, who are just learning to swear, will see the newly published rules and follow the rules. The culture of the internet will accept such a proposal, much in the same way that we have chosen to always post well reasoned, researched contributions.
In a parallel analisys fo the topic:
What is wrong with "Committee on Family, Women and Children"?. I am a man and I did not understand what is wrong.
Children, women and family (and men too and elders) are what is important in the world. A Committe of humankind.
Looks like a committee of Money, Weathy Slavery and Exploration would be a more serious committee for the author.
I think it is time that we need a more human approach in the politics.
Russia is the only country who gets things right anymore.
Or DoublePlusUngood, as George Orwell's characters would say.
OK, how do you say WTF in Russian?
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
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Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
- we just use bad words as ordinary speech (My russkie matom ne rugaemsya - my matom razgovarivaem).
And all this curse-banning circus has the only purpose that isn't exposed: To promote Internet filters that will be (and are) used for any purpose THEY like. No wonder that I2P NetDB contains more Russian nodes than any other country's.
Ебать тебя, ёбаная Россея.
People/humans interpreting sound as "foul" are foul in their brain structure and need to clean up their neural wiring. Similar all that religious junk going around and what else have you.
Coming soon to the UK.
the trend is not
everywhere you see "authority figures" attempting to censor, control, spy on, ban, and criminalize the modern means of free, anonymous communication
The reason is that anonymity is the only real defense the powerless have against the powerful.
What "we the people" or "the 99%" or however you want to call those who aren't oligarchs or wannabe oligarchs need is a decentralized communications medium outside the control of any corporation or government.
Once the technology is accessible to the non-geeks the oligarchs will have the choice, give up any pretense of legitimacy and go full North Korea or live with the fact that an accessible means of communication is outside of their control.
freenet and tor are starts but they are tied to the existing oligarchy controlled infrastructure, we need peer-to-peer mesh networks that are so ubiquitous that there isn't any way to realistically shut them down
exactly why the U.S will never hand over control of the Internet to anyone else.
I wish people would understand that if you ban one curse word, people will just use another.
If it's just the foul words, then work around them.
* Consume feces and expire!
* Perform coitus upon yourself!
* You present-day Oedipus!
> In a country where it's illegal to insult a government official,
> scum-sucking, pimple-biting, turd-chugging, goat-humping, measel-loaded festering fistula of a human State Duma
> Deputy Yelena Mizulina has proposed an amendment to ban swearing on social networks, bulletin boards and all websites.
FTFY
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits...
And Tits doesn't even belong on the list, you know.
News sites should quit doing this, Russia is a land mass and can not ban anything, the asshats in the State Duma otoh might come up with crap like this.
'USA thinks it should invade North Korea'
See how that works, propagandist news style that is 99% lie.
Waterfox - a Firefox fork with legacy extension support, security updates and better privacy by default.
How would Russians communicate without cursing?
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
"The website would be blocked if the offending material had not been removed within 24 hours. "
Snowden better get his shit straight soon. He's not going to be able to reach anything but fuzzy kitten websites within a couple weeks and even then... one bad translation of "Pussy" and there goes lolcats.
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Lame attempt to spice up the intro.
It's the same in many countries, including many democracies such as France, India...
Regardless of your constitutional rights, I suggest it's also a very bad idea in the US of A.
That said, I have travelled and worked a lot in the USA and Russia, plus other more 'exotic' spots such as the Middle East, (including Israel), North Africa, Central and South America....
Never had any problem with the police or other officials, at all...
(Indeed, one time in the USA, the officer who stopped me for doing an illegal u turn coming out of a "gentleman's bar" was kind enough to escort me to the hotel, since I did not know the way and my colleagues were totally hammered...)
Be polite. It works.
So, let's pretend for a moment that banning foul language isn't completely ridiculous, but a worthy goal from Russian government. There's still a practical problem... how?
First of all, the censorsh... (oops, "child protection") department will need to monitor consistently all sites in the Russosphere, and maybe some in the Anglosphere. Some of those won't reside in Russian Federation, and RF's gov asking the responsible countries' govs for info about the criminal swearing scum will at least result in a "lolshto" (lol, what?) from the other govs.
Second, does Mizulina really think this is feasible? How? Censors? Well, good luck, they would need all Russian tech-savvy population for that... (exactly the ones they want to control).
Filters? Hell, it's hard to make those for Latin-based languages, but almost impossible for Cyrillic-based ones! Let's say you ban a swear word in Russian (I would use examples, but /. filters all Cyrillic letters). They would need to filter the word itself, anny misspell (intentional or not), different transliterations to Latin, Volapük encoding (a leetspeak-like transliteration using Latin letters that resemble Cyrillic ones), plus, any tactics the internet use regardless of language to avoid filters (like writing pr0n, FML, phuck...).
To show the infeasibility of that, I used a three-letters swearing, khuj ("dick") as example. Just on top of my mind, I got twelve variations - you can bet any Russian native can bring a dozen more. (Here: http://pastebin.com/bcH2bg2S ).
Third and last: if they do manage to make a comprehensible list of swear words with all the variations, just imagine the amount of false positives on an international scale - like Russian gov annoying Brazilian one because someone wrote "curva" in a fucking blog! (just "curve" in Portuguese, but an acceptable transliteration for kurva ["whore"] in Russian).
Frankly... I'm not worried with this censorship being implemented at all, but rather, the intentions behind it.
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All this internet censorship of foul language, gratuitous sex and graphic violence (possibly all at the same time) is really just HBO's latest scheme to stop people torrenting Game of Thrones...
In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out. BTW, Fuck Russia!
Committee name includes family, women, and children. Perhaps if their families included men the children wouldn't need the government to protect them.
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You can just go Yelena your Mizulina, you filthy Vitaly Milonov.
Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage
If you ban all curse words then people will simply invent new curse words and, most likely, words that you can't ban. Or words that if they ban them have hilarious side effects. Like, say, Putin.
Go putin yourself. You're such a putin. Your mother is such a putin.
This women can go and fuck herself. This is a excellent example what is happening in Russia, as this is nothing but censorship China style. Democracy is dead in Russia today, thanks to Putin and his evil minions.
Britain, here we F78king come...
Fuck that
Violence it the true obsenity.
Fuck that. Fuck your censorship. Fuck YOU.
The entire world doesn't need to be made safe for children.
Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker and tits.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
heck I would not doubt that in Russia http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 is the law of the net
Could this be another long term affect from the Reagan years? This isn't a rhetorical question, i am really looking for other's opinions.
It has been in documentaries that the Reagan Admin's banking degulation is a big factor in today's current economic problems.
The republican party wasn't near social conservative before Reagan as it is today.
He really pushed Russia to become a democracy, but did it become one too fast that created an unstable situation that is possibly sliding back to a non democracy? I don't say communism, I am not sure what to call it. This last question I really would like other's input.
Welcome back communist Russia...
There are fewer 'foul' sounding words than those spoken in Russian. Perhaps they are committing ethnic suicide?
If the language is indeed banned, how are russian birds supposed to communicate?
I for one welcome all such draconian laws, just moves the revolution that much closer, if they do get carried away.
yayy ammo
Russian USB 3.0 developer proposes less profanity on LKML.
First, stop daddy from chugging vodka and beating the wife and kids in a drunken stupor. I'm sure that does a lot more damage than the occasional What-The-Fuck.
Have gnu, will travel.
Disable sound recording on all dash-cams, and they are already half way there.
No wonder snowden went to russia, he had more dirt to uncover
Ivan's problem isn't Ivan, but i don't see boat loads of people trying to live and work in russia. Could it be that there are people just as smart as Ivan? Could Ivan be the second coming? Or are people bascially smart enough so as to go on with their dreams, and have no problem ignoring Ivan?
This is the slippery slope that I mentioned earlier in a post about the UK censorship of websites deemed to have "adult" content. First, it starts with websites that have "adult" content, then the censorship goes into many other types including bad words, anti-government or subversive content, anti-semitism content, political opponents speech, etc. Then it gets to a point where it will serach and replace on bad content and change it to good content or remove just the posts themselves so no one can see them. Once you have a content filter in place, its extremely easy to make it turn into the Great Firewall of China within a few months or years. This is why these things are just so damaging to the citizens of any country, especially ones that are founded on democratic principles. It doesn't make you more free, it takes away freedom. The bottom line is that when you pay for a pipe, you should get that pipe, not a pipe that has been changed or restricted in any way. To do so is censorship.
This law is enacted nominally to protect the kids from foul language? What about us poor adults? 99% of the time I read or hear somebody egregiously misusing foul language, the author or speaker is underage. Ever go on XBox Live? Yeah. Tweets? Blogs? It's the same. That's not to say their elders don't drop a few cuss words here and there but by and far, in my experience, it's the younger set that are abusing those words. And I'm fairly certain they didn't learn those words from the Internet.
So Russia, please stop wasting your time on pointless legislature. Better to spend your time working on an Internet-enabled "smack to the head" button; trust me, it will be far more effective at civilizing discourse on the world wide web.
A solitary figure in 10 Downing Street wonders why he didn't think of this?
For the children! For the women! For decency! For Czar Putin!
-- Using the preview button since 2005
Playing the "think of the children" card, eh? Fuck You Russia!
I don't curse. Ever. (Yes, I know I'm a freak of nature.) However, even *I* see this as a horrible thing. Why if people curse it's their responsibility. I'm also the parent of young kids and the fact that people curse online is the least of my concerns when my kids go online. (Higher up on the list are people who would try to scam them or harm them in some way.)
Once Russia bans curse words, I predict a rise in "alternative" curse words. Instead of saying "the F word", they could say Frell. Instead of "the S word", they could say Scrap. Kind of like how the producers of MASH weren't allowed to use the word "virgin" in one episode so, in their next episode, they had someone say he was from the "Virgin Islands." People will rebel and find ways around the system. Then either the system will need to expand to include all possible words that could be used as curse words (pretty much the entire dictionary) or it will become so ineffective as to be useless for its intended purpose.
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Poshel na hui! Idi ebyai svou mat!
I...they do realize how much this infrastructure is going to cost, and how even after they pay for it, it's still not going to work right, da? I mean, it's going to cripple their economy, slow down their network speeds, introduce errors and additional work for both the techs and the courts, and increase complexity of their networks (something which makes engineers very, very unhappy...especially for 'features' like these).
Just...you can't stop people from cursing in front of you, using their own mouths...what, exactly, makes you think this is somehow possible with the internet? I swear, it's like social people have zero understanding of how technology works...and even less how their own society, and human nature works, which is weird, since they're supposed to be the 'social' people. Morality can't be mandated since it's so ill-defined...every case of morality runs into scenarios where exceptions occur...hell, that's why there are so many philosophers, priests, etc. (aside from the cushy job, 3 minute work week, and nice perks) who spend such time trying to figure out, what, exactly, occurs in a moral situation where you've outlawed murder, and murder is the only way to prevent things from getting worse (hello military / police officers; was it justified, was there another way, or are we just violent animals? if non-lethal is supposed to be so effective, and better than guns, what do we do when someone uses it to torture someone else for hours? is not a gun better then, because it requires someone to really ask if they want to stand before a judge, explaining why they killed a suspect? or can no one be trusted to handle weaponry, since every situation allows for abuse?). That kind of stuff.
I am John Hurt.
Fuck Putin!
"This is Barack Obama, and I approve of this message."
Do it for the kids, yeah!
That is all.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
An oldie, yet very apropos, from Artemy Lebedev of the OLED keyboard fame.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Tell them where to be putin it!
Table-ized A.I.
Any site involved better tell them to fuck off.
Any web site that goes along with it, may be subject to retaliations from the public, or Anonymous.
Pussy Riot members are about to get out of jail? And Pussy is included in the list of "swear" words? Let me google it. Hmm, 2 years sentence passed down on August 2012, but they were arrested in March 2012, so if they get timed served, then March 2014. So to me, the timing is about right.
I guess Putin really fears the Pussy.
Be seeing you...
Foul language is a real problem.
! . Really? Seriously?