Except you can't write a full feature browser using ModernUI - it's not allowed. Opera used to support a lot of platforms (Solaris comes to mind) that they dropped. Has nothing to do with free platforms.
I remember there being a plug-in (from Microsoft) to add Open Office support to Microsoft Office. I remember having it installed on my old laptop (Office 2007), and know I've used it with 2010. I can't answer what it does with spreadsheets or presentations, but normal text documents do just fine. (I don't see ODT in the SaveAs on my Mac running Office 2011)
Solaris is appealing in environments that you don't want to change or break. It's very stable.
Think of ZFS along the lines of RAID - it's not a backup or disaster recovery solution. It's performance and disaster prevention (like Shadow Copies in Windows).
Microcenter still sells Windows 7 boxes. When I left government contracting in September the US Department of Energy was just moving to Windows 7 from Windows XP. I'm sure 7 will be available through certain channels for a while.
Really? A quick look at Solaris11, Scientific Linux, and Fedora all say root. If I had my IRIX box up and running I'd bet it would say root too (granted, it's XSGI, not XOrg, so this probably doesn't apply). My HP-UX and AIX boxes don't appear to be running any form of X
From SL 6.4: [armanox@dionysus ~]$ cat/etc/issue Scientific Linux release 6.4 (Carbon) Kernel \r on an \m
Or we were better acclimated to the weather back then, when we were in it all the time. I used to just wear a denim jacket with a vest for most of the winter, and didn't feel cold. Now I wear a scarf and gloves if it's below 40F outside.
GNOME 3 and KDE 4 have been interesting journeys. And like most software, it was not very good in the early phase. GNOME 3 is getting better, just not my preferred cup of tea. KDE 4 is getting a little crazy and starting to taste like the lemon in the tea is sour.
I too would like to know what's been abandoned. GTK 2.x can be installed along 3.x without any conflict (in my experience). As far as moving to Qt, I know the LXDE project decided to move to Qt and merge with RazorQt, but beyond that I have no idea.
And Sri, since you are involved with the GNOME project, I want to take a minute and thank you for responding to (and putting up with) the comments and remarks from us. I don't reject everything you guys do, but I'm not the biggest fan either. With that said, I am not doing development work, but do understand what goes into it (have done dev work in the past when I was a contractor). I do hope to see my doubts proven wrong about the future of Linux in general. Until then, I'll keep vocal.
Sandboxing isn't a bad thing. A lot of commercial software for Linux does this (I think that's what we install to/opt for....) to insure that the needed libraries are present - it's also what allows them to run correctly on newer Linux installs. But, people forget that, and then complain when $application doesn't run after the system has been updated.
Because until recently I was a network engineer to the DOE (contractor). And they don't like a lot of things in Linux - they disable iptables and selinux, for example. They also have no interest in Linux on the desktop, only in a server capacity. And that was fading when I left.
Disclaimer (probably required after that statement): I am a former federal contractor, and my opinions expressed here do not necessarily represent official opinion or policy of the United States Department of Energy or my former employer.
It doesn't work for most of the i8xx chips, and this is a well known flaw. Marked as won't fix since they've the chips is too old to care about. It broke when they changed the driver to support KMS.
FGLRX doesn't have a legacy driver that works with newer kernels. Radeon works well for a lot of things, but simply doesn't (or didn't when I cared) work as well (I think it may have been power management? Did they ever fix that? I remember the last time I used it (more recent card, HD 5770 and then on HD 7750) power management simply was non existent and the fans ran at 100%). Regardless, I don't still work at that position, and have to use Windows on the issued laptop (which has FirePro graphics...more AMD joy).
Why weren't my laptops supported? Intel i8xx graphics in Linux hasn't worked for years. And the vesa driver is not a substitute. What used to run perfect died with the introduction (and requirement) of KMS. The D510 sucked since AMD dropped support for 'legacy' graphics in Linux, and the radeon driver doesn't cut it (not really the fault of Linux or the Distro maintainers, just a fact).
Supported meant an operating system, either Windows, OS X, or Linux, that was actively receiving patches and updates for the purpose of this discussion. There was a reason (I can't recall right now) that I couldn't use RHEL 5.x on the C400, which should have worked.
What they won't miss is me. What they will wonder is why organizations, such as the US Department of Energy, start moving away from Linux servers. And that will be because of people like me.
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I should see if it still works on Solaris just for fun (if it ran on IRIX that would be even better...)
Except you can't write a full feature browser using ModernUI - it's not allowed. Opera used to support a lot of platforms (Solaris comes to mind) that they dropped. Has nothing to do with free platforms.
Opera 10 still supported Solaris (Sparc and Intel) and Linux on PPC.
I remember there being a plug-in (from Microsoft) to add Open Office support to Microsoft Office. I remember having it installed on my old laptop (Office 2007), and know I've used it with 2010. I can't answer what it does with spreadsheets or presentations, but normal text documents do just fine. (I don't see ODT in the SaveAs on my Mac running Office 2011)
Big one that breaks PowerPoint is different screen resolutions, especially if the aspect ratio is different.
Sadly, the version of OOXML in 2007 (and I think 2010) is not the same as the released spec.
I think the accurate response is charges consumers. UNIX vendors certainly still charge for operating systems.
You've given me an interesting thought - if time permits I might try it to see what happens.
Did you ever run the x64 edition? It was a nightmare!
It's stuck in the 32bit world? Doesn't handle SMP or HT nicely? Loss of software support? Old driver models? Microsoft is tired of supporting it?
Or, I could ask the same questions about RHEL 5, IRIX 6.5, and Solaris 9.
Solaris is appealing in environments that you don't want to change or break. It's very stable.
Think of ZFS along the lines of RAID - it's not a backup or disaster recovery solution. It's performance and disaster prevention (like Shadow Copies in Windows).
My understanding was the developers simply left because Oracle acquired the product, not because of anything they did.
Which is why having both are useful.
Server 2003 was more of the server version of XP (and 2008 was based on Vista).
Microcenter still sells Windows 7 boxes. When I left government contracting in September the US Department of Energy was just moving to Windows 7 from Windows XP. I'm sure 7 will be available through certain channels for a while.
I've run Solaris on a desktop just fine. And I've seen AIX on Power as a desktop too.
Really? A quick look at Solaris11, Scientific Linux, and Fedora all say root. If I had my IRIX box up and running I'd bet it would say root too (granted, it's XSGI, not XOrg, so this probably doesn't apply). My HP-UX and AIX boxes don't appear to be running any form of X
From SL 6.4: /etc/issue
[armanox@dionysus ~]$ cat
Scientific Linux release 6.4 (Carbon)
Kernel \r on an \m
[armanox@dionysus ~]$ ps auxw | grep X /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -nr -verbose -audit 4 -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-Ms7KTS/database -nolisten tcp vt1 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -nr -verbose -audit 4 -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-Ms7KTS/database -nolisten tcp vt1
root 2413 1.1 0.8 150984 34360 tty1 Ss+ 04:05 8:04
armanox 14804 0.0 0.0 103252 848 pts/2 S+ 15:52 0:00 grep X
[armanox@dionysus ~]$ ps -ef | grep X
root 2413 2410 1 04:05 tty1 00:08:04
armanox 14825 14767 0 15:53 pts/2 00:00:00 grep X
[armanox@dionysus ~]$
and Fedora 18: /etc/issue
[armanox@hecate ~]$ cat
Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow)
Kernel \r on an \m (\l)
[armanox@hecate ~]$ ps -ef | grep X /usr/bin/abrt-watch-log -F Backtrace /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- /usr/bin/abrt-dump-xorg -xD /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -background none -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm-nsglUa/database -seat seat0 -nolisten tcp vt1
root 596 1 0 00:13 ? 00:00:00
root 935 797 0 00:13 tty1 00:00:18
armanox 25526 1866 0 11:54 pts/1 00:00:00 grep --color=auto X
[armanox@hecate ~]$
Solaris on Sparc: /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -nolisten tcp -br -novtswitch -auth /tmp/gdm-auth-cookies-pEay
Last login: Mon Jan 6 17:28:37 2014 from lab-files-001.l
Oracle Corporation SunOS 5.11 11.0 November 2011
admin@solarisvmsrv1:~$ ps -ef | grep X
root 1308 1303 0 Nov 06 vt/7 102:15
admin 41176 41171 0 11:35:42 pts/1 0:00 grep X
admin@solarisvmsrv1:~$
The only reason RH is behind is they haven't had a major release since 3.x came out.
Or we were better acclimated to the weather back then, when we were in it all the time. I used to just wear a denim jacket with a vest for most of the winter, and didn't feel cold. Now I wear a scarf and gloves if it's below 40F outside.
GNOME 3 and KDE 4 have been interesting journeys. And like most software, it was not very good in the early phase. GNOME 3 is getting better, just not my preferred cup of tea. KDE 4 is getting a little crazy and starting to taste like the lemon in the tea is sour.
I too would like to know what's been abandoned. GTK 2.x can be installed along 3.x without any conflict (in my experience). As far as moving to Qt, I know the LXDE project decided to move to Qt and merge with RazorQt, but beyond that I have no idea.
And Sri, since you are involved with the GNOME project, I want to take a minute and thank you for responding to (and putting up with) the comments and remarks from us. I don't reject everything you guys do, but I'm not the biggest fan either. With that said, I am not doing development work, but do understand what goes into it (have done dev work in the past when I was a contractor). I do hope to see my doubts proven wrong about the future of Linux in general. Until then, I'll keep vocal.
Sandboxing isn't a bad thing. A lot of commercial software for Linux does this (I think that's what we install to /opt for....) to insure that the needed libraries are present - it's also what allows them to run correctly on newer Linux installs. But, people forget that, and then complain when $application doesn't run after the system has been updated.
Because until recently I was a network engineer to the DOE (contractor). And they don't like a lot of things in Linux - they disable iptables and selinux, for example. They also have no interest in Linux on the desktop, only in a server capacity. And that was fading when I left.
Disclaimer (probably required after that statement): I am a former federal contractor, and my opinions expressed here do not necessarily represent official opinion or policy of the United States Department of Energy or my former employer.
It doesn't work for most of the i8xx chips, and this is a well known flaw. Marked as won't fix since they've the chips is too old to care about. It broke when they changed the driver to support KMS.
FGLRX doesn't have a legacy driver that works with newer kernels. Radeon works well for a lot of things, but simply doesn't (or didn't when I cared) work as well (I think it may have been power management? Did they ever fix that? I remember the last time I used it (more recent card, HD 5770 and then on HD 7750) power management simply was non existent and the fans ran at 100%). Regardless, I don't still work at that position, and have to use Windows on the issued laptop (which has FirePro graphics...more AMD joy).
Why weren't my laptops supported? Intel i8xx graphics in Linux hasn't worked for years. And the vesa driver is not a substitute. What used to run perfect died with the introduction (and requirement) of KMS. The D510 sucked since AMD dropped support for 'legacy' graphics in Linux, and the radeon driver doesn't cut it (not really the fault of Linux or the Distro maintainers, just a fact).
Supported meant an operating system, either Windows, OS X, or Linux, that was actively receiving patches and updates for the purpose of this discussion. There was a reason (I can't recall right now) that I couldn't use RHEL 5.x on the C400, which should have worked.
What they won't miss is me. What they will wonder is why organizations, such as the US Department of Energy, start moving away from Linux servers. And that will be because of people like me.