I'm annoyed by stuff breaking. Something that used to be as simple as booting to init 3 (appending init=/sbin/init 3 to the end of the kernel) stopped working for me. Want to edit an init script? Nope, can't modify the services anymore. The Linux developers are embracing everything that is wrong with Windows (extra complexity, inability to edit stuff, etc).
I've always been partial to QT based environments myself (KDE (started with KDE 1.x), TDE, RazorQT). Never the biggest fan GNOME in general, but, I feel like GNOME 3 is a step backwards.
...but if MS clears its act with more colors a taskbar, a smart screen that doesn't block what you are doing, and more Skeumorphism they will have a winner....Arguing against it makes it look like we are old men who hate change because of a silly button.
Actually, that's one of my biggest complaints with the start screen - it covers everything. I like the start menu because it doesn't take up a lot of space. My second biggest complaint is that Windows 8 is ugly - Aero is gone, colors are basic, and it's so blocky. (My third is I don't want to retrain the users I deal with - we have Windows 8 on a few computers at work that are used at floating desks so that we can see how users react, and every one of them has issues using it).
The only difference between RHEL and CentOS is the Red Hat logos are removed. If you want to learn RHEL, CentOS or Scientific Linux will teach you that. Fedora includes a lot of software and features that do not exist in RHEL, and is very different due to Fedora's 6-month release cycle (much more recent changes/software).
You can use CentOS or SL to study for RHCSA/RHCE, but not Fedora.
That's because Red Hat doesn't make major package updates during the life of a version - GNOME 2 was the current version when RHEL 6 came out. Sadly, they'll likely have GNOME 3 in RHEL 7, which will push me further away from Linux.
I hate the style in general - I have a 2008 Macbook that is my main experience, two co-workers have Sony Vaios that aren't any better. We just bought at the 4 T530s at work, which have them as well. I just don't like the feel of the keys, or the spaces in between. Makes me appreciate my 2006 MBP all that much more. I also have a Dell D510 that I use (VPNed into Fed's network). Something about how far down the keys go too. I feel like the newer keyboards don't push as far (my main keyboards are desktop keyboards, btw. Logitech Elite keyboard (one at home and one at work), SGI keyboard from an O2 for PS2 systems, and I think I'm going to buy another Sun Type 6 (last one ended up going with the last of my Sun Blades)).
My R60 had an option to re-install from recovery, and every piece of crapware (such as the completely worthless think tools and search tools, and outdated browser plugins etc) was a checkbox to choose to install (I chose only the CD burning software), my T400 lacked that option on re-install, and I stopped buying thinkpads from then on.
I remember seeing that on an R40 (IIRC) at work and saying "That's pretty awesome." It's a shame to hear that's no longer the case.
Also, KDE wants their software to be portable to other operating systems. X11 is the targeted platform - Wayland is extra. KDE is used on a lot more then just Linux. (Also, did GNOME 3 ever get running on BSD?)
They just don't hold up like they used to. We've got at work several 2009-2010 aged Thinkpads that are about done, while older ones (2007 era) are still showing no trouble aside from user error (dropped, etc). I've even got really old Thinkpad 600e (Pentium II, 96MB RAM) that won't die. I'd rather work off of the 600e then deal with the chicklet keyboards on the new ones (purchased a few T and W series laptops at the beginning of the year, they all suffer from it).
If you can get it to install on your distro (not available for Fedora 18, and the source build instructions aren't very well written), consider giving Trinity Desktop a spin.
Actually I think most of Slashdot's readership understands it perfectly. And if they don't, they probably don't care about the article anyway. This isn't a newspaper.
Laptop in question, for the record, is a Toshiba L505D, and shipped with Vista (I bought it shortly after Windows 7 came out - store wanted to get rid of it because it still had Vista on it, great price).
Question for you: Is your challenge to take and update the OS to it's current level of patches (so go from Vista to current SP and patches, XP to SP3 and patches, etc) or to go to current level of OS (so I would take a Vista system, update to 7, then update to 8, and install patches)? Because I've done both in Linux as well (RHEL 5 -> current patch level and RHEL 5 -> 6). The former is a lot less prone to breakage in both worlds, the latter I've seen issues with in both worlds (especially for the rapid release distros like Ubuntu and Fedora). I'm not sure that with the second option my laptop passes in Windows (it came with Vista, currently on 7, pretty sure something would break if I install 8 (most likely video drivers, though bluetooth doesn't like Windows 7, so that wouldn't be a good item to measure by since it's not stable as it is, and pretty sure one or two applications that are rather old would break too). I'm fairly sure it would pass using RHEL or Debian, and I could probably get it to pass using Fedora and Ubuntu (but I also know the upgrade paths, and know a lot more about these things then the average user).
I was trying to say me displeasure with Windows 8 is greater then my dislike of Windows Me. Windows Me wasn't such a trainwreck if you were VERY careful with it, didn't use anything that mixed drivers (since it supported 9x, DOS, and NT drivers), and didn't run every last piece of software that you came across.
Only place that Me > 2K was running DirectX or DOS based programs (which probably ran better in 98 anyway).
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You forgot to say it's in the cloud.
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Agreed - it doesn't even do everything that X11 does. And some of us use those features.
I'm annoyed by stuff breaking. Something that used to be as simple as booting to init 3 (appending init=/sbin/init 3 to the end of the kernel) stopped working for me. Want to edit an init script? Nope, can't modify the services anymore. The Linux developers are embracing everything that is wrong with Windows (extra complexity, inability to edit stuff, etc).
I've always been partial to QT based environments myself (KDE (started with KDE 1.x), TDE, RazorQT). Never the biggest fan GNOME in general, but, I feel like GNOME 3 is a step backwards.
...but if MS clears its act with more colors a taskbar, a smart screen that doesn't block what you are doing, and more Skeumorphism they will have a winner. ...Arguing against it makes it look like we are old men who hate change because of a silly button.
Actually, that's one of my biggest complaints with the start screen - it covers everything. I like the start menu because it doesn't take up a lot of space. My second biggest complaint is that Windows 8 is ugly - Aero is gone, colors are basic, and it's so blocky. (My third is I don't want to retrain the users I deal with - we have Windows 8 on a few computers at work that are used at floating desks so that we can see how users react, and every one of them has issues using it).
Funny, GNOME 3 and Systemd are two of the biggest things to avoid (and Wayland will probably be next).
So far off.....
The only difference between RHEL and CentOS is the Red Hat logos are removed. If you want to learn RHEL, CentOS or Scientific Linux will teach you that. Fedora includes a lot of software and features that do not exist in RHEL, and is very different due to Fedora's 6-month release cycle (much more recent changes/software).
You can use CentOS or SL to study for RHCSA/RHCE, but not Fedora.
That's because Red Hat doesn't make major package updates during the life of a version - GNOME 2 was the current version when RHEL 6 came out. Sadly, they'll likely have GNOME 3 in RHEL 7, which will push me further away from Linux.
...blaze the trail that nobody wants to follow. Good for them.
Here in the real world Slackware blows as a VM and is irrelevant to the future of cloud computing.
Say what? Cloud computing is nothing more then a marketing name, which nobody really cares about (except those selling the magical cloud).
Also, Slackware isn't any worse then Windows, Solaris or Fedora as a VM, so your comment makes even less sense.
I hate the style in general - I have a 2008 Macbook that is my main experience, two co-workers have Sony Vaios that aren't any better. We just bought at the 4 T530s at work, which have them as well. I just don't like the feel of the keys, or the spaces in between. Makes me appreciate my 2006 MBP all that much more. I also have a Dell D510 that I use (VPNed into Fed's network). Something about how far down the keys go too. I feel like the newer keyboards don't push as far (my main keyboards are desktop keyboards, btw. Logitech Elite keyboard (one at home and one at work), SGI keyboard from an O2 for PS2 systems, and I think I'm going to buy another Sun Type 6 (last one ended up going with the last of my Sun Blades)).
My R60 had an option to re-install from recovery, and every piece of crapware (such as the completely worthless think tools and search tools, and outdated browser plugins etc) was a checkbox to choose to install (I chose only the CD burning software), my T400 lacked that option on re-install, and I stopped buying thinkpads from then on.
I remember seeing that on an R40 (IIRC) at work and saying "That's pretty awesome." It's a shame to hear that's no longer the case.
Also, KDE wants their software to be portable to other operating systems. X11 is the targeted platform - Wayland is extra. KDE is used on a lot more then just Linux. (Also, did GNOME 3 ever get running on BSD?)
They just don't hold up like they used to. We've got at work several 2009-2010 aged Thinkpads that are about done, while older ones (2007 era) are still showing no trouble aside from user error (dropped, etc). I've even got really old Thinkpad 600e (Pentium II, 96MB RAM) that won't die. I'd rather work off of the 600e then deal with the chicklet keyboards on the new ones (purchased a few T and W series laptops at the beginning of the year, they all suffer from it).
If you can get it to install on your distro (not available for Fedora 18, and the source build instructions aren't very well written), consider giving Trinity Desktop a spin.
You think they would have learned not to do that after so many people complained about KOTOR2's dropped content.
Applications break left and right when you upgrade a Windows version, so I don't see the complaint here.
Perhaps you'd be intrerested in a Chickenosaurus?
Actually I think most of Slashdot's readership understands it perfectly. And if they don't, they probably don't care about the article anyway. This isn't a newspaper.
That's because Debian can be either Linux, FreeBSD, and I believe Hurd.
WD Scorpio Blue 1TB (5400RPM) outperform the Black drives, btw.
Laptop in question, for the record, is a Toshiba L505D, and shipped with Vista (I bought it shortly after Windows 7 came out - store wanted to get rid of it because it still had Vista on it, great price).
Question for you: Is your challenge to take and update the OS to it's current level of patches (so go from Vista to current SP and patches, XP to SP3 and patches, etc) or to go to current level of OS (so I would take a Vista system, update to 7, then update to 8, and install patches)? Because I've done both in Linux as well (RHEL 5 -> current patch level and RHEL 5 -> 6). The former is a lot less prone to breakage in both worlds, the latter I've seen issues with in both worlds (especially for the rapid release distros like Ubuntu and Fedora). I'm not sure that with the second option my laptop passes in Windows (it came with Vista, currently on 7, pretty sure something would break if I install 8 (most likely video drivers, though bluetooth doesn't like Windows 7, so that wouldn't be a good item to measure by since it's not stable as it is, and pretty sure one or two applications that are rather old would break too). I'm fairly sure it would pass using RHEL or Debian, and I could probably get it to pass using Fedora and Ubuntu (but I also know the upgrade paths, and know a lot more about these things then the average user).
My understanding (and I am not a geologist) is that this is what happens. It's just that "regular cylces" on the timeline are very long.
I was trying to say me displeasure with Windows 8 is greater then my dislike of Windows Me. Windows Me wasn't such a trainwreck if you were VERY careful with it, didn't use anything that mixed drivers (since it supported 9x, DOS, and NT drivers), and didn't run every last piece of software that you came across.
Only place that Me > 2K was running DirectX or DOS based programs (which probably ran better in 98 anyway).