Note that these calculations don't take into account Northern Hemispherical *GROUND* ice. The arctic sea ice pack will actually take up less volume when melted... but you all knew that. :-)
Actually, I did this math exercise yesterday on EXACTLY this problem. And what I came up with, with a certain margin of error, is a total sea level rise (not taking into account coastal flooding, just the waters rising straight up), of ~76 METERS. That's a LOT of sea level rise. Without much greater information about coastal areas, and average height over particular areas, I couldn't give a true number, but I'd GUESS anywhere from 20-30 meters.
Please check my math: Based on some figures I've collected for total ocean surface area: 335,258,000 sq km, total Antartic land mass: 12,093,000 sq km, with an average icepack thickness of: 2100m I get the following formula (Ice Thinkness) / (Ocean / Antarctica), which works out to (2100) / (335,258,000 / 12,093,000 ) = (2100) / (27.723) = 75.749m in total ocean height. While I doubt this great high would be achieved, due to lowlying coastal areas, it is likely that the total rise in sea level would be around 20-30m...
Sources: http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/oceans .h tm http://www.scar.org/Antarctic%20Info/Ant%20sta ts.h tml http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/MaySy.sht ml
What do you think Microsoft used for Help prior to the Internet and IE? Text files?
I personally don't care about the tying, one way or the other, because I feel it *IS* in the consumers best interest. What I'm against is the legal requirements and collusion that shut out all of Microsoft's competition.
If you think that a functional OS can't be built without the level of integration Microsoft has used, you need to go back to CS 301.
Or what it'll really do is force people to learn the tool at hand. I'm sick of people (and my father is one of them) who continually balk at my advice to go take a class so that they can learn how to create shortcuts, and do file maintenance, and keep their machines running without having to constantly call me.
Our problem isn't the software (well, in some cases, it's the software), it's the users. The users need to learn how to use the tool they are given. It's not a toaster. It's more akin to a radial arm saw that can slice of your fingers if you're not careful (or in a computers case destroy your work, pollute your environment with virii, and crash randomly).
For the military, why would this be a problem? Not every country has the radar network and detection equipment necessary to safely avoid this minefield of satellite debris. The kill ratio would still be unbelievably high, but in a war situation, confusing the playing ground with lots of tiny kill vehicles would be sure to raise hell with the opponents space platforms.
This would play badly for humans in space, for sure... I'm not saying this is a good thing, only that it could be leveraged by a defensive or antagonistic military force. Drop a few marbles in an orbit liable to intersect a KH satellite, and whammo, less communication bandwidth over afghanistan.
does such a person/organisation exist? seriously, i think one would be hard pressed to find _anyone_ who doesn't have a position regarding MS that isn't at one or the other end of the spectrum - very hard to find someone in the middle.
I think if you're sample base is slashdot, you are correct. But those of us in the real world who use both Unix and Windows can sit squarely in the middle of the road. I mean, I love windows, but I love Unix/Linux just as much. My perfect world is a blend of the two...
We're out here, just have to look for us.
-Chris
Oh I wish I had mod-points for you!!! When are we going to get a bootable compact-flash reader? I'd LOVE a 128MB CF "Floppy drive". Life would rock. I'd have the flexibility of a floppy with the relative durability of a cd.
As an appendix to the serious flaming I just gave first line support guys in another post:
I knew a bunch of workers over at Stream (which Microsoft used to use), running tech-support for numerous companies, and this was in fact the case. Spend more than 5 minutes on the phone with a customer, and your shift supervisor got a little red light coming up on your console. Go for a break longer than 5 minutes, and you got a demerit.
There are companies out there with excellent tech support. But those are the companies that sell products that trained monkeys cannot use. Sterling Software's GENTRAN:Director for one. I consider myself a talented and skilled computer guy, but I REALLY REALLY feel bad for the poor guy setting up EDI with Walmart for the first time.
Objectstore by Object Design for another (I work for them). You find my ANY VB guy who can use that product? You won't. Hence the requirement for trained C++ and Java programmers on support.
Once you get past the trained monkeys answering the phone, you get someone who knows his shit. And if that guy doesn't know his shit, he will WALK DOWN THE HALL, and find the guy who knows his shit, and get him on the phone with you.
Microsoft's first level tech support role is to take care of the "inexperienced-users" who don't know what Autorun is or where the Start button is.
I've used Microsoft's tech support on several very obscure bugs in very obscure API's (that only about a dozen people on earth use). In every case, I've had the problem solved. As much as I hate them, I love them.
You know what would make my day? The reliability of Solaris coupled with the featureset of Windows 2000, and DevStudio + MSDN and all for under $500. And Windows 2000 is getting there. Except for the cost thing.;)
But when you think about it in the grand scheme of things, you have the tables, you have the schema, you have the code, write it yourself.
Even in the big evil Accounting package I support e by Epicor (the platinum guys), this is a simple 3 or 4 table insert, an update or two, and some person somewhere goes and ships it.
I cannot imagine it being much worse here. Like all things, consider ACID and the double-entry method for all that you do. It's a good thing having non-proprietary databases. The number of things you can do are amazingly unlimited.
I went through alternating phases when I was a kid of being the bully, being bullied. It would have been nice to have been able to say, "Hey, how about a Quake 3: Deathmatch at my place", instead of getting whomped on by football players.
Paypal has phone support? No SH*T?!?!?! I don't believe it, a freaking web company that actually has phone support. Care to tell me where I can find this mythological phone support?
As an aside, does anyone know the REAL skinny on why PayPal doesn't support Netbank for verification?
With a plethora of agencies and organizations, nevermind the separate laws and requirements of 50 disparate states, I'm amazed with what we do have.
Many states have their entire law libraries online, as well as the DMV/RMV vehicle registries.
If it weren't for the need to have an updated photo, we could get our driver's licenses renewed online....
We take this for granted, www.irs.gov, www.treas.gov, www.whitehouse.gov, FBI, CIA. I mean, other than taxes, what does the average citizen deal with when dealing with the federal government?
With a proper abstraction library, this isn't such a big deal. I had to port an application that was 100% WIN32, but using several abstraction libraries to Solaris. About 14 days before the beta was due to the customer I get the order from my boss to port to Solaris, and get ready to demo the product.
5 days later, when the Ultra 5 arrived, I set to work. 7 days after that, I installed Oracle to test the application for the first time. It failed. I spent the remaining two days fixed bugs, but we demoed the application to the customer on time, and without flaw.
Granted, I lost 2 weekends in the process, but I felt management sufficiently recognized the effort I made (big bonus).
My argument is this, you have to start somewhere, and it's best to start where the developers of the project are more comfortable. What good is software if you have to learn the work infrastructure first. I've always been a fan of incremental development. Write a function, test, release, fix write, test, release. If it takes you a week to get the first line of code out of your developers because they are using UNIX, then you've already doomed the project.
Use abstraction libraries, and you can revisit portability a month down the road, when there's something to actually port.
But I do agree that you shouldn't wait a year to start porting. Do it as soon as you have the first version running on Windows. And test test test test test.
It also would help if you have at least ONE developer doing development primarily on UNIX. Then when the time comes to switch to UNIX, you've already made sure it works.
I will also second this recommendation. I have been using ACE professionally since late 1997. At that time TAO was a bit rough around the edges, so we used OmniORB from ORL instead http://www.uk.research.att.com. Oh yeah, and I had to use Rogue Wave's DBTools.h++ or whatever that Piece 'O Crap is called.
All linked with ACE and it's amazingly simple Socket libraries. Oh, on Windows and Solaris (Linux wasn't a big deal back then).
I've also built POP3 clients, SMTP servers, and dozens of other small utilities. I've altered it, extended it, and converted others to the cause. I contend that it beats Rogue Wave hands down http://www.roguewave.com.
And you can't beat the price or the license.
With the newgroups support, and all the documentation mentioned by others, plus commercial support from http://www.riverace.com, I challenge you to find a more thoroughly tested C++ crossplatform library.
You're right, for a grand, this is not worth it. I mean, a 40GB HDD is about $80 right??? For $400 though, this is a good thing. Not all of us want to have a computer to play MP3s. That's why I got a Philips Expanium instead of a laptop, and why I would get one of these instead of an HP kayak to play MP3's. Or a Sony 400 CD changer. Screw flexibility. I just want it to start as quickly as my receiver does. 2 seconds. Oh, and I don't want my music shutting off because Windows crashes (And don't give me any of that crap about switching to Linux. I love Linux, but this is the real world... I make money with Windows (Linux too, but I digress)):-)
Simplicity. That's why the XBox is primed to lead the convergence march, and why Microsoft is willing to take the hit in hardware cost. The XBox proper isn't going to make MS money. The services and lockin they're going to get is what they are after, and for good reason. Most people don't want a complicated computing experience, which is what WindowsNT, PCI, USB, and their ilk bring people. Painful computing experiences.
Just remember the masses are asses, and most can't figure out how to use the defrost setting on their microwave....
Actually, this feature has existed in Windows NT since 3.51 (publicly), and probably since it's creation at 3.1.
Windows NT has always been SORT OF multiuser. It was just not fully implemented.
I won't go into the whole terminal server argument, or multiple windowing desktops ala X, but Windows has DEFINITELY had a "su" capability for a good 5 or 6 years now.
Why does the replacement have to be Linux/Apache? Why not Solaris/Apache?
Apache is a fine product, I'm proud to run it!! Linux on the other hand, I have to really talk myself into running Mission critical applications on it (I'm usually forced to use Windows because of COM Objects I have no control over).
I have zero issues with deploying Mission Critical Apps on Solaris.
Granted, patch-wise all these options need work, but Linux is by far the worst offender in this regard. Don't get me started on RedHat 6.2.:-)
-Chris Kaminski
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At T.F. Greene in Providence. At West Palm Beach in Florida, at Tampa in Florida.
All of them had restaurants with sharp objects, AFTER the security checkin.
In fact, Logan does to in the American Airlines terminal.
well, if that argument worked, they wouldn't be updating the cockpits of the Space Shuttle, which is one whole hell of a lot more temperamental than 1 concorde jet. Granted, the shuttle does get refitted like no other machine in existence after every flight...
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Note that these calculations don't take into account Northern Hemispherical *GROUND* ice. The arctic sea ice pack will actually take up less volume when melted... but you all knew that.
:-)
Actually, I did this math exercise yesterday on EXACTLY this problem. And what I came up with, with a certain margin of error, is a total sea level rise (not taking into account coastal flooding, just the waters rising straight up), of ~76 METERS. That's a LOT of sea level rise. Without much greater information about coastal areas, and average height over particular areas, I couldn't give a true number, but I'd GUESS anywhere from 20-30 meters.
s .h tma ts.h tmlt ml
Please check my math:
Based on some figures I've collected for total ocean surface area: 335,258,000 sq km, total Antartic land mass: 12,093,000 sq km, with an average icepack thickness of: 2100m I get the following formula (Ice Thinkness) / (Ocean / Antarctica), which works out to (2100) / (335,258,000 / 12,093,000 ) = (2100) / (27.723) = 75.749m in total ocean height. While I doubt this great high would be achieved, due to lowlying coastal areas, it is likely that the total rise in sea level would be around 20-30m...
Sources:
http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/ocean
http://www.scar.org/Antarctic%20Info/Ant%20st
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/MaySy.sh
Corrections welcome.
You MUST be a troll.
What do you think Microsoft used for Help prior to the Internet and IE? Text files?
I personally don't care about the tying, one way or the other, because I feel it *IS* in the consumers best interest. What I'm against is the legal requirements and collusion that shut out all of Microsoft's competition.
If you think that a functional OS can't be built without the level of integration Microsoft has used, you need to go back to CS 301.
-Chris
[Please forgive my abuse of apostrophe's]
Hear hear!
Let's face it. Mankind is it's own God.
Read the article. It says:
It also will result in the loss of at least 15,000 jobs out of a combined work force of 150,000 during the next two years.
Not that 165,000 jobs will be cut....
-Chris
Or what it'll really do is force people to learn the tool at hand. I'm sick of people (and my father is one of them) who continually balk at my advice to go take a class so that they can learn how to create shortcuts, and do file maintenance, and keep their machines running without having to constantly call me.
Our problem isn't the software (well, in some cases, it's the software), it's the users. The users need to learn how to use the tool they are given. It's not a toaster. It's more akin to a radial arm saw that can slice of your fingers if you're not careful (or in a computers case destroy your work, pollute your environment with virii, and crash randomly).
For the military, why would this be a problem? Not every country has the radar network and detection equipment necessary to safely avoid this minefield of satellite debris. The kill ratio would still be unbelievably high, but in a war situation, confusing the playing ground with lots of tiny kill vehicles would be sure to raise hell with the opponents space platforms.
This would play badly for humans in space, for sure... I'm not saying this is a good thing, only that it could be leveraged by a defensive or antagonistic military force. Drop a few marbles in an orbit liable to intersect a KH satellite, and whammo, less communication bandwidth over afghanistan.
I think if you're sample base is slashdot, you are correct. But those of us in the real world who use both Unix and Windows can sit squarely in the middle of the road. I mean, I love windows, but I love Unix/Linux just as much. My perfect world is a blend of the two... We're out here, just have to look for us. -Chris
Oh I wish I had mod-points for you!!! When are we going to get a bootable compact-flash reader? I'd LOVE a 128MB CF "Floppy drive". Life would rock. I'd have the flexibility of a floppy with the relative durability of a cd.
Interesting. Any thoughts?
-Chris
As an appendix to the serious flaming I just gave first line support guys in another post:
I knew a bunch of workers over at Stream (which Microsoft used to use), running tech-support for numerous companies, and this was in fact the case. Spend more than 5 minutes on the phone with a customer, and your shift supervisor got a little red light coming up on your console. Go for a break longer than 5 minutes, and you got a demerit.
There are companies out there with excellent tech support. But those are the companies that sell products that trained monkeys cannot use. Sterling Software's GENTRAN:Director for one. I consider myself a talented and skilled computer guy, but I REALLY REALLY feel bad for the poor guy setting up EDI with Walmart for the first time.
Objectstore by Object Design for another (I work for them). You find my ANY VB guy who can use that product? You won't. Hence the requirement for trained C++ and Java programmers on support.
Once you get past the trained monkeys answering the phone, you get someone who knows his shit. And if that guy doesn't know his shit, he will WALK DOWN THE HALL, and find the guy who knows his shit, and get him on the phone with you.
;)
Microsoft's first level tech support role is to take care of the "inexperienced-users" who don't know what Autorun is or where the Start button is.
I've used Microsoft's tech support on several very obscure bugs in very obscure API's (that only about a dozen people on earth use). In every case, I've had the problem solved. As much as I hate them, I love them.
You know what would make my day? The reliability of Solaris coupled with the featureset of Windows 2000, and DevStudio + MSDN and all for under $500. And Windows 2000 is getting there. Except for the cost thing.
Caio, all!
-Chris
Probably not.
But when you think about it in the grand scheme of things, you have the tables, you have the schema, you have the code, write it yourself.
Even in the big evil Accounting package I support e by Epicor (the platinum guys), this is a simple 3 or 4 table insert, an update or two, and some person somewhere goes and ships it.
I cannot imagine it being much worse here. Like all things, consider ACID and the double-entry method for all that you do. It's a good thing having non-proprietary databases. The number of things you can do are amazingly unlimited.
And this differs from visual basic in what way?
:-)
Hell, even in C++ or Java you could get a fool casting a (int)float_var;
It's not the language, brother... It's the brain using the tool that matters.
I went through alternating phases when I was a kid of being the bully, being bullied. It would have been nice to have been able to say, "Hey, how about a Quake 3: Deathmatch at my place", instead of getting whomped on by football players.
:-)
Paypal has phone support? No SH*T?!?!?! I don't believe it, a freaking web company that actually has phone support. Care to tell me where I can find this mythological phone support?
As an aside, does anyone know the REAL skinny on why PayPal doesn't support Netbank for verification?
With a plethora of agencies and organizations, nevermind the separate laws and requirements of 50 disparate states, I'm amazed with what we do have.
Many states have their entire law libraries online, as well as the DMV/RMV vehicle registries.
If it weren't for the need to have an updated photo, we could get our driver's licenses renewed online....
We take this for granted, www.irs.gov, www.treas.gov, www.whitehouse.gov, FBI, CIA. I mean, other than taxes, what does the average citizen deal with when dealing with the federal government?
I disagree.
With a proper abstraction library, this isn't such a big deal. I had to port an application that was 100% WIN32, but using several abstraction libraries to Solaris. About 14 days before the beta was due to the customer I get the order from my boss to port to Solaris, and get ready to demo the product.
5 days later, when the Ultra 5 arrived, I set to work. 7 days after that, I installed Oracle to test the application for the first time. It failed. I spent the remaining two days fixed bugs, but we demoed the application to the customer on time, and without flaw.
Granted, I lost 2 weekends in the process, but I felt management sufficiently recognized the effort I made (big bonus).
My argument is this, you have to start somewhere, and it's best to start where the developers of the project are more comfortable. What good is software if you have to learn the work infrastructure first. I've always been a fan of incremental development. Write a function, test, release, fix write, test, release. If it takes you a week to get the first line of code out of your developers because they are using UNIX, then you've already doomed the project.
Use abstraction libraries, and you can revisit portability a month down the road, when there's something to actually port.
But I do agree that you shouldn't wait a year to start porting. Do it as soon as you have the first version running on Windows. And test test test test test.
It also would help if you have at least ONE developer doing development primarily on UNIX. Then when the time comes to switch to UNIX, you've already made sure it works.
-Chris
I will also second this recommendation. I have been using ACE professionally since late 1997. At that time TAO was a bit rough around the edges, so we used OmniORB from ORL instead http://www.uk.research.att.com. Oh yeah, and I had to use Rogue Wave's DBTools.h++ or whatever that Piece 'O Crap is called.
All linked with ACE and it's amazingly simple Socket libraries. Oh, on Windows and Solaris (Linux wasn't a big deal back then).
I've also built POP3 clients, SMTP servers, and dozens of other small utilities. I've altered it, extended it, and converted others to the cause. I contend that it beats Rogue Wave hands down http://www.roguewave.com.
And you can't beat the price or the license.
With the newgroups support, and all the documentation mentioned by others, plus commercial support from http://www.riverace.com, I challenge you to find a more thoroughly tested C++ crossplatform library.
Just my 2bits.
-Chris Kaminski
You're right, for a grand, this is not worth it. I mean, a 40GB HDD is about $80 right??? For $400 though, this is a good thing. Not all of us want to have a computer to play MP3s. That's why I got a Philips Expanium instead of a laptop, and why I would get one of these instead of an HP kayak to play MP3's. Or a Sony 400 CD changer. Screw flexibility. I just want it to start as quickly as my receiver does. 2 seconds. Oh, and I don't want my music shutting off because Windows crashes (And don't give me any of that crap about switching to Linux. I love Linux, but this is the real world... I make money with Windows (Linux too, but I digress)) :-)
Simplicity. That's why the XBox is primed to lead the convergence march, and why Microsoft is willing to take the hit in hardware cost. The XBox proper isn't going to make MS money. The services and lockin they're going to get is what they are after, and for good reason. Most people don't want a complicated computing experience, which is what WindowsNT, PCI, USB, and their ilk bring people. Painful computing experiences.
Just remember the masses are asses, and most can't figure out how to use the defrost setting on their microwave....
-Chris
Actually, this feature has existed in Windows NT since 3.51 (publicly), and probably since it's creation at 3.1.
Windows NT has always been SORT OF multiuser. It was just not fully implemented.
I won't go into the whole terminal server argument, or multiple windowing desktops ala X, but Windows has DEFINITELY had a "su" capability for a good 5 or 6 years now.
-Chris
http://www.lensquest.com/index.cfm/ProductID=333/d o=detail
Not quite what I remembered seeing from several years ago, these aren't TRUE mirrors.
I do recall a site that had REAL mirror lenses. I will have to ask a friend about them tomorrow.
Send me mail at ckaminskipoboxcom@yahoo.com, I'll hook you up with the link when I get it.
I SERIOUSLY wish I had mod-points for this. :-)
Best things I've seen all week. Thank you.
-Chris
Why does the replacement have to be Linux/Apache? Why not Solaris/Apache?
:-)
Apache is a fine product, I'm proud to run it!! Linux on the other hand, I have to really talk myself into running Mission critical applications on it (I'm usually forced to use Windows because of COM Objects I have no control over).
I have zero issues with deploying Mission Critical Apps on Solaris.
Granted, patch-wise all these options need work, but Linux is by far the worst offender in this regard. Don't get me started on RedHat 6.2.
-Chris Kaminski
At T.F. Greene in Providence. At West Palm Beach in Florida, at Tampa in Florida.
All of them had restaurants with sharp objects, AFTER the security checkin.
In fact, Logan does to in the American Airlines terminal.
well, if that argument worked, they wouldn't be updating the cockpits of the Space Shuttle, which is one whole hell of a lot more temperamental than 1 concorde jet. Granted, the shuttle does get refitted like no other machine in existence after every flight...
:-)