People like to make comparisons between the neocons and hitler, terrorists, what have you, but nobody ever makes the comparison between europe and the genovese/bystander effect. Their inaction is more often seen as a good thing, like they are "peaceful" and "pacifist" and all that holy holy mumbo jumbo.
The problem is not with SQL, it's the resultset being returned as a 2 dimensional dataset every time. In the OOP world, if you take a giant grid and do stuff with it, your comitting a crime. A resultset object is not properly normalized either. What you want are Orders, Persons, Addresses.
Ideally I would like to program with no persistence layer at all, i.e. an object oriented database. I haven't thought that through enought though, for now, the Object/relational abstraction actually works out quite well, I can get in and modify data and it's not very hard at all to visualize the abstraction, the only thing that is not represented well is inheritance.
What the fuck is this shit? Is that all you see when you look at the army is minorities and rednecks? I was in the army you piece of trash! Your problem is you're not used to being around non-elitists, and then you try and tell me there's competition for Circle K cashiers? Get real man, jobs are not hard to come by! I got a job as soon as I turned 16, working at mcdonalds! They didn't even bother to call me, they just grabbed my arm as I was walking out the door after turning in the application! I've never been jobless since then. You, sir, are an ingrate!
There are plenty of low skill jobs available. I have always suggested that the United States bring a quazi-homestead program back, where people could go out into government land and build a cabin. They can live all by themselves, grow their own food and what-not. Sometimes I feel the pressure of the progressing economy, and I think to myself "Damn, if only I could afford a few acres in Alaska". I could go hunt for my food and all that. Sure, it's about 100x harder than returning shopping carts at wal-mart, but it'd be much more satisfying.
That's the only problem I see in the world is job satisfaction.
Overpopulation is not a problem at all. Look at the price of food. Even when there is no need for manual labor the world will go on living, trust me. If I wanted to, I could quit my job and spend my life savings on alcohol, get arrested and find myself in a shelter being fed 3 meals a day (better than I'm currently doing:)
Corporations are supposed to compete with each other. It makes the world a better place. I shop at wal-mart all the time because they save me money, very simple, and those benefits go a LONG way when you add them all up. Governments control the price (and therefore the quantity demand) of labor, and some have no practical control over the price at all. Artificial price controls only work under certain circumstances.
What purpose does it solve to shift labour to regions that can not afford to buy the product produced and create unemployment in regions where you hope to sell the product.
It makes the product cost less, and the quality of living for your average American gets better. This is basic economics. Also keep in mind that there is no shortage of jobs in America. This is just pandering to a small group of people, labor unions mostly.
If you maintain a system that favours the lowest common denominator, than don't be suprised when autocratic and corrupt societys are created and maintained in order to achieve that lowest common denominator.
Quite the contrary, I think you're more likely to see corrupt societies if you start imposing artificial price controls. Smuggling becomes extremely profitable if you do that. I also think you're more likely to see third world countries adapt to the world economy if you expose them to free trade, I'll point to China as an example. This is basic economics we're talking about here.
We are now getting in a technological era, where systems can be put in place to ensure there is no hope for reform outside of an enviromental disaster that brings down the whole of that society.
I lost you... are we talking about global warming now?
Consider this bit of technology, a device implanted in the skull to monitor the auditory canal and if the wrong word is heard delivers an electric shock to the cochlear, this can be updated and monitored at regular intervals. We can actually achieve that technology today and if you don't think the rich and greedy would employ that technology on the working poor to maintain control and fuel their insatiable ego's, you are sadly mistaken.
You don't give the rich much credit do you? There is a lot written on the subject.
Rather than tell you about all the rich philanthropists out there who have made valuable contributions to society, let me just say that much more injustice has been done in an effort to protect some perceived morality by preventing people from making money, by imposing some ruling on people, particularly resellers, for profiting off of others. The origin of this is primarily the roman catholic church, and offshoots of this type of morality found its way into governments. I'll quote from an essay by Robert Heilbroner titled "The Economic Revolution":
"In France the importation of printed calicoes now threatens to undermine the clothing industry. It is met with measures that cost the lives of 16,000 people! In Valence alone on one occasion 77 persons are sentenced to be hanged, 58 broken on the wheel, 631 set to the galleys, and one lone and lucky individual is set free, for the crime of dealing in forbidden calico wares."
This is no futuristic mind control conspiracy, this actually happened. Eventually the world learned to embrace people's self-fulfilling desires, right around the time America was formed. Adam Smith was the first to really look at it from an analytical viewpoint, until then people just assumed the world was going to shit, with everybody trying to take advantage of everybody else.
Well, you are going to extremes when you say we are going to blow all our money on manned space missions. Right now we blow less than half the NASA budget on manned space exploration. Some of the robotic missions are definately worth it, like I said, I think the NGST would be more valuable than manned space exploration. But look at what you're saying, you think the two rovers on mars is phenomenal, they're doing some valuable research on the planet most like our own in this solar system. Imagine the sort of things we could learn with a 6 month stay on mars. Those rovers don't even have arms to turn rocks over with.
As for the moon landings, I think we're beyond the cold war now. We're going back to the moon for more constructive purposes than defeating soviet Russia. I don't make a direct comparison between past and future manned space missions.
I've heard from many scientists that you just can't do some research with robots. They fire a projectile into an asteroid and measure the debris and stuff with x-ray spectrometers, that's ok, but with people on mars they could dig a shaft 3 feet wide and take pictures of the evolution of mars. Try and build a robot that does that, with any likelihood of success.
I think it's fair to give the moon and mars missions priority. I think there should always be at least one big mission on NASA's plate. I would say the NGST should take priority, but all I see is small beans coming out of the NGST planning. I'd like to see an array of 10 or more telescopes functioning as one lens. I also want to see us manufacturign plutonium for use in RTGs, but you don't see that happening, what the fuck? If you ask me, the whole thing wreaks of politics, someone's found a way to blame the shuttle disaster on GW. Politicians in florida are trying to protect the shuttle program. Go figure.
On top of everything else, I just like to see something exciting happening, some bookmark in the history of mankind in my lifetime, you know? It's another leap forward for mankind.
Not sarcasm at all. The justification for free-trade is well known amongst scholars.
This whole thread is sad. It takes a higher level of understanding, a much higher level, to appreciate free trade. This is perhaps the biggest issue that politicians lie about, because it is nearly impossible to rationalize in terms every American can understand. It has always worked out better for them to just say "We're making your life easier!".
I suggest you get past your emotional barriers and look at the facts. Free trade is the best way to improve these third world countries. Trade barriers are the best way to wreak havoc on the American economy. Most third world countries have zilch to export, labor is a good start. Some can't even export labor! Here in America we can export all sorts of stuff, we just have to maintain our competitive advantage with other advanced nations.
One thing I find utterly ridiculous is people who play both the third world worker sympathy card, and the American worker sympathy card. Me, I have very little compassion for American's who are unwilling to compete for their jobs.
Look at efforts to increase the minimum wage in Mexico. It failed miserably. You can't just force things upon people, be it minimum wages or tarriffs. The mexican labor we employ with American money is a decent living to many of them.
It may not seem fair to you (I take it you meant to say "Free trade is not fair trade") but if you look at the alternatives they are much worse. If you put a tarriff on labor, who the hell in their right mind would pay for low quality labor at inflated prices? Nobody. But that's what you want right?
No I wasn't aware, and I don't know how you claim to be aware of something like that. It was a business, first and foremost, with investors. The guys went to Stanford, top business school in the nation for crying out loud. Get real man. You think they just stumbled upon billions of dollars? No, they had the whole thing thought out, first conquer the market, then earn a hefty profit. They're very good at making money.
Entrepreneurialism, which is the most significant part of any economy. Do you consider the Google founders geniuses? Entrepreneurial geniuses maybe. The most popular course of study in this country is Business.
You need to pay less attention to the flow of cheap junk from China and more to the quality goods that America produces. If you were to put a price tag on the internet, what would it be? What about google? Microsoft? How about all the publications coming out of the United States? Military equipment, satellites, space launch vehicles. These are things that can't be produced at all in other countries.
Understand that we are a more technologically advanced economy. One thing that will certainly destroy this aspect of our economy is more subsidies to things like Agriculture and steel production. We will adapt to produce what nobody else can produce.
Also note that the agricultural subsidies have made it impossible for farmers in third world countries to export their goods. We've set a trend amongst advanced countries, I would really like to see Habib in Afghanistan making a living by producing something other than Opium! Look at the big picture man, and educate yourself.
This is the most enlightening article on outsourcing I have ever read:
Outsourcing is a negative word used to describe free trade, which is unequivocally good for the economy as a whole. You're trying to say that it is only in corporations best interest to outsource, but it is in everybody's best interest. Corporations SHOULDN'T have to lobby for things like this. Luckily here in America we're all still mostly hard working people, the ingrates haven't taken over like in many other countries. What we're seeing here is backlash from a group of people that are used to things being handed to them. Me, I prefer to send my money to those deserving of it, like Japanese auto manufacturers, Taiwanese chip vendors, and I suppose if I needed some serious medical operation, I'd go to India where it's 10x cheaper!
You're blurring the lines between reality and politics. The politicians want your vote, but they surely should know that any counter-measures against outsourcing is bound to hurt the U.S. economy.
This is campaign rhetoric. You really aught to look at the facts.
Are you saying you're against outsourcing? Do you realize the implications of that position?
Do realize that it's in a politicians best interest to be against outsourcing, but it is in Americas best interest to embrace it. The politicians want voters to think they are "protecting American jobs" but if it were up to them to do that, it would destroy American entrepreneurial spirit, degrade our competitive performance and throw a wrench into the world economy.
There is an interesting article out on the net called "The Outsourcing Bogeyman" by Daniel Drezner, if you care to read it. Should be widely available. Very informative view from an economist perspective.
The god of war? How bout the star? The stars may have been named after lots of things, but spacecraft are typically named after things related to space exploration. Altair is only about 15 light years from earth.
On top of that, these "gods" you speak of are rarely exclusive to one practice. Athena is the greek goddess of war, wisdom and art, and is just about the only greek god I can remember. Athens was a very successful community. Damn those athenians! They worshipped WAR!
The way I see it, there are not enough bright people going into education. It is a waste of resources to put one extremely talented person in a classroom teaching the same thing every year. Politicians aught to take note of this idea, I think I will write it up and mail it to my local senator, so I can get a letter in the mail saying he forwarded it to the national education person. The federal government aught ot sponsor a national teacher program, where teachers compete with a assembly program, or a tv-based learning (with methods of student interaction, for example, a post-program class discussion, and one question submitted per classroom to be reviewed weekly). Teachers would be paid and expenses covered to fly around the U.S., sortof like they're on tour, teaching a highly educational program. I grew up watching shows like Mr. Wizard, which really sparked my imagination. The key is to guage student participation, and not to cram them with facts but mainly to spark their imagination. It should be the ordinary classroom teachers job to cram them with facts. I've had very few teachers I felt like I could ask a question and get a detailed, insightful response. Most would pull out the teaching material and fumble through for an answer. I go to college classes these days and I see a bunch of people bored stiff from years and years of fact cramming. I participate in the classes more than most people and I feel I get a lot more out of it. Seems like here in America, education hasn't been given a lot of thought, it's stagnated as a money-guzzling government program for way too long. This national teacher program could be done for cheap. It shouldn't take someone with a teaching certificate, just someone who can come up with a good "program" that passes review. Sortof like motivational speaking, designed to spark kids interests, rather than teaching math fundamentals, teach the end result with a brief summary of how it arrived. I got bitten by the math bug in my youth so that's why I've pursued math in college.
On a similar note, one time I made a bunch of money by selling a bunch of sun-ray thin clients purchased by some district authority for the local school system. He bought 16 of the clients on grant money from cisco, not knowing that you needed a sun server to operate them (actually I heard there is a free linux based sun-ray server these days). I acted as a third party in finding a new purchaser for the units when they realized they had no use for them. It was probably around 6-10 thousand dollars worth of machines, I bought them for $25 each and sold them for $125. You bet your ass the current system is inefficient. Before I sold them, I tried to track down the guy who had made the bad purchasing decision, I was ready to show him the free linux sun-ray server that had recently come out, maybe set up a sun-sponsored program or something interesting like that, and I was basically told by some desk jockey to quit asking questions and to go away.
This solution covers every possible source of vibrations, addressing the source directly would be much more difficult, and would probably require some adaptive system, for example, to balance the armature over the course of many years.
I do the same thing with a ventilation fan in my attic. When I mounted it directly to the truss, I could hear a vibration in the walls of my house, so I unbolted it and let it hang from some plastic fastener. Works like a charm to eliminate the noise. By your standards, I aught to have bought a more expensive fan with less vibration, which probably wouldn't have been as quiet.
It sounds like you weren't elligible for unemployment benefits, probably went to school on mom and dad's dime, no experience. I got a job doing web development before I ever started school, got my degree in business.
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That's a shitload of degrees!
It's beyond my comprehension, apparently.
Ideally I would like to program with no persistence layer at all, i.e. an object oriented database. I haven't thought that through enought though, for now, the Object/relational abstraction actually works out quite well, I can get in and modify data and it's not very hard at all to visualize the abstraction, the only thing that is not represented well is inheritance.
I'm so sick of hearing that cliche. Thank you George Orwell for spawning a cult of nuts and dimwits. Lets all re-think the moon landings!
What the fuck is this shit? Is that all you see when you look at the army is minorities and rednecks? I was in the army you piece of trash! Your problem is you're not used to being around non-elitists, and then you try and tell me there's competition for Circle K cashiers? Get real man, jobs are not hard to come by! I got a job as soon as I turned 16, working at mcdonalds! They didn't even bother to call me, they just grabbed my arm as I was walking out the door after turning in the application! I've never been jobless since then. You, sir, are an ingrate!
There are plenty of low skill jobs available. I have always suggested that the United States bring a quazi-homestead program back, where people could go out into government land and build a cabin. They can live all by themselves, grow their own food and what-not. Sometimes I feel the pressure of the progressing economy, and I think to myself "Damn, if only I could afford a few acres in Alaska". I could go hunt for my food and all that. Sure, it's about 100x harder than returning shopping carts at wal-mart, but it'd be much more satisfying.
That's the only problem I see in the world is job satisfaction.
Overpopulation is not a problem at all. Look at the price of food. Even when there is no need for manual labor the world will go on living, trust me. If I wanted to, I could quit my job and spend my life savings on alcohol, get arrested and find myself in a shelter being fed 3 meals a day (better than I'm currently doing :)
Corporations are supposed to compete with each other. It makes the world a better place. I shop at wal-mart all the time because they save me money, very simple, and those benefits go a LONG way when you add them all up. Governments control the price (and therefore the quantity demand) of labor, and some have no practical control over the price at all. Artificial price controls only work under certain circumstances.
What purpose does it solve to shift labour to regions that can not afford to buy the product produced and create unemployment in regions where you hope to sell the product.
It makes the product cost less, and the quality of living for your average American gets better. This is basic economics. Also keep in mind that there is no shortage of jobs in America. This is just pandering to a small group of people, labor unions mostly.
If you maintain a system that favours the lowest common denominator, than don't be suprised when autocratic and corrupt societys are created and maintained in order to achieve that lowest common denominator.
Quite the contrary, I think you're more likely to see corrupt societies if you start imposing artificial price controls. Smuggling becomes extremely profitable if you do that. I also think you're more likely to see third world countries adapt to the world economy if you expose them to free trade, I'll point to China as an example. This is basic economics we're talking about here.
We are now getting in a technological era, where systems can be put in place to ensure there is no hope for reform outside of an enviromental disaster that brings down the whole of that society.
I lost you... are we talking about global warming now?
Consider this bit of technology, a device implanted in the skull to monitor the auditory canal and if the wrong word is heard delivers an electric shock to the cochlear, this can be updated and monitored at regular intervals. We can actually achieve that technology today and if you don't think the rich and greedy would employ that technology on the working poor to maintain control and fuel their insatiable ego's, you are sadly mistaken.
You don't give the rich much credit do you? There is a lot written on the subject.
Rather than tell you about all the rich philanthropists out there who have made valuable contributions to society, let me just say that much more injustice has been done in an effort to protect some perceived morality by preventing people from making money, by imposing some ruling on people, particularly resellers, for profiting off of others. The origin of this is primarily the roman catholic church, and offshoots of this type of morality found its way into governments. I'll quote from an essay by Robert Heilbroner titled "The Economic Revolution":
This is no futuristic mind control conspiracy, this actually happened. Eventually the world learned to embrace people's self-fulfilling desires, right around the time America was formed. Adam Smith was the first to really look at it from an analytical viewpoint, until then people just assumed the world was going to shit, with everybody trying to take advantage of everybody else.
As for the moon landings, I think we're beyond the cold war now. We're going back to the moon for more constructive purposes than defeating soviet Russia. I don't make a direct comparison between past and future manned space missions.
I think it's fair to give the moon and mars missions priority. I think there should always be at least one big mission on NASA's plate. I would say the NGST should take priority, but all I see is small beans coming out of the NGST planning. I'd like to see an array of 10 or more telescopes functioning as one lens. I also want to see us manufacturign plutonium for use in RTGs, but you don't see that happening, what the fuck? If you ask me, the whole thing wreaks of politics, someone's found a way to blame the shuttle disaster on GW. Politicians in florida are trying to protect the shuttle program. Go figure.
On top of everything else, I just like to see something exciting happening, some bookmark in the history of mankind in my lifetime, you know? It's another leap forward for mankind.
This whole thread is sad. It takes a higher level of understanding, a much higher level, to appreciate free trade. This is perhaps the biggest issue that politicians lie about, because it is nearly impossible to rationalize in terms every American can understand. It has always worked out better for them to just say "We're making your life easier!".
I suggest you get past your emotional barriers and look at the facts. Free trade is the best way to improve these third world countries. Trade barriers are the best way to wreak havoc on the American economy. Most third world countries have zilch to export, labor is a good start. Some can't even export labor! Here in America we can export all sorts of stuff, we just have to maintain our competitive advantage with other advanced nations.
One thing I find utterly ridiculous is people who play both the third world worker sympathy card, and the American worker sympathy card. Me, I have very little compassion for American's who are unwilling to compete for their jobs.
It may not seem fair to you (I take it you meant to say "Free trade is not fair trade") but if you look at the alternatives they are much worse. If you put a tarriff on labor, who the hell in their right mind would pay for low quality labor at inflated prices? Nobody. But that's what you want right?
No I wasn't aware, and I don't know how you claim to be aware of something like that. It was a business, first and foremost, with investors. The guys went to Stanford, top business school in the nation for crying out loud. Get real man. You think they just stumbled upon billions of dollars? No, they had the whole thing thought out, first conquer the market, then earn a hefty profit. They're very good at making money.
Entrepreneurialism, which is the most significant part of any economy. Do you consider the Google founders geniuses? Entrepreneurial geniuses maybe. The most popular course of study in this country is Business.
Understand that we are a more technologically advanced economy. One thing that will certainly destroy this aspect of our economy is more subsidies to things like Agriculture and steel production. We will adapt to produce what nobody else can produce.
Also note that the agricultural subsidies have made it impossible for farmers in third world countries to export their goods. We've set a trend amongst advanced countries, I would really like to see Habib in Afghanistan making a living by producing something other than Opium! Look at the big picture man, and educate yourself.
This is the most enlightening article on outsourcing I have ever read:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501faessay83304 /daniel-w-drezner/the-outsourcing-bogeyman.html
Outsourcing is a negative word used to describe free trade, which is unequivocally good for the economy as a whole. You're trying to say that it is only in corporations best interest to outsource, but it is in everybody's best interest. Corporations SHOULDN'T have to lobby for things like this. Luckily here in America we're all still mostly hard working people, the ingrates haven't taken over like in many other countries. What we're seeing here is backlash from a group of people that are used to things being handed to them. Me, I prefer to send my money to those deserving of it, like Japanese auto manufacturers, Taiwanese chip vendors, and I suppose if I needed some serious medical operation, I'd go to India where it's 10x cheaper!
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501faessay83304 /daniel-w-drezner/the-outsourcing-bogeyman.html
You're blurring the lines between reality and politics. The politicians want your vote, but they surely should know that any counter-measures against outsourcing is bound to hurt the U.S. economy.
This is campaign rhetoric. You really aught to look at the facts.
Do realize that it's in a politicians best interest to be against outsourcing, but it is in Americas best interest to embrace it. The politicians want voters to think they are "protecting American jobs" but if it were up to them to do that, it would destroy American entrepreneurial spirit, degrade our competitive performance and throw a wrench into the world economy.
There is an interesting article out on the net called "The Outsourcing Bogeyman" by Daniel Drezner, if you care to read it. Should be widely available. Very informative view from an economist perspective.
On top of that, these "gods" you speak of are rarely exclusive to one practice. Athena is the greek goddess of war, wisdom and art, and is just about the only greek god I can remember. Athens was a very successful community. Damn those athenians! They worshipped WAR!
This is just silly.
These days you have to sell science like any other media.
Don't viruses depend on life to reproduce? Seems like viruses must have been a side effect of celled organisms.
On a similar note, one time I made a bunch of money by selling a bunch of sun-ray thin clients purchased by some district authority for the local school system. He bought 16 of the clients on grant money from cisco, not knowing that you needed a sun server to operate them (actually I heard there is a free linux based sun-ray server these days). I acted as a third party in finding a new purchaser for the units when they realized they had no use for them. It was probably around 6-10 thousand dollars worth of machines, I bought them for $25 each and sold them for $125. You bet your ass the current system is inefficient. Before I sold them, I tried to track down the guy who had made the bad purchasing decision, I was ready to show him the free linux sun-ray server that had recently come out, maybe set up a sun-sponsored program or something interesting like that, and I was basically told by some desk jockey to quit asking questions and to go away.
"some" is floatable, I think, could be less than several or few but definately not more than a bunch.
I think the appropriate thing here would have been to say a shitload of miles per hour. Yes.
I do the same thing with a ventilation fan in my attic. When I mounted it directly to the truss, I could hear a vibration in the walls of my house, so I unbolted it and let it hang from some plastic fastener. Works like a charm to eliminate the noise. By your standards, I aught to have bought a more expensive fan with less vibration, which probably wouldn't have been as quiet.
Muslim extremists.
It sounds like you weren't elligible for unemployment benefits, probably went to school on mom and dad's dime, no experience. I got a job doing web development before I ever started school, got my degree in business.