A few years ago, I spent a fair amount of time in Metrotech ( their Brooklyn data center ), and I didn't see much MS in the back office. What do you base this statement on?
PLEASE! The CIO of the biggest software company in the world leaving is news. Don't read anything into the fact that that M$ made this public. Depending on the circumstances, a public announcement for a CIO departure may be required under SOX. His replacement might have a significant impact on company spending, policies, etc. M$ can't hide this even if they want to.
I understand your point. I hear this a lot, but it is not what we have experienced. The products is well north of a million a year, and I never heard a word about FOSS concerns from any of our clients. They did have some very intense security questionnaires and audits ( I have learned to hate SOX consultants with a very deeply set passion ), but it was equally difficult to get passed them on jBoss as it was with Weblogic. Granted, I'm only looking at a slice of less than 20 major financial institutions.
I still think BEA is massively overrated and should consider themselves blessed to get the billion dollar buyout.
I think the markets price stocks well when you look over a multi-year horizon, and this is a very high premium over the last 5 years history. If there really was value there, the stock's history should show it.
They really should shut up and take their billion dollar early x-mas gift while they can.
Perhaps I'm missing something. Can someone explain the great value in BEA? Why does SAP need this to survive? Does this guy own a million shares in BEAS or does he know something I don't.
My knowledge in this space is a little weak. I do know that my company ( I shouldn't say who, but our market cap is a lot higher than BEAS ) very happily dumped Weblogic for jBoss. The transition went remarkably smoothly ( Disclaimer: We did have a jBoss god on staff ), and it saves us A LOT of money. We use it for hosting some very large, complicated, financial applications.
Based on what I have seen, BEA sells a product that has become a commodity. It should no longer command a premium.
Interesting point. In someway you have "reproduced" invention.
For a patent to be granted, someone skilled in the art should be able to take the patent and build it.
"The patent statute requires that the application describe the invention in its "best mode" to enable an individual skilled in the art relevant to the invention to be able to repeat the invention."
If they can't actually build it, this SHOULD be a mute point.
In a world of coal fired power plants and the occasional rolling blackout b/c the grid can't keep up with demand, is the plan is to start adding cars to the load? I love it. It is just like the ethanol solution. Buy lots of corn, make ethanol. When corn prices start going up, say "Gee, I never saw that one coming." So the plan is to invest huge amounts of money in these things, and if they ever take off, say "Gee, I never thought the power grid would have problems."
Also, have you ever tried to push through new high tension power lines? You are also going to need more of those coal fire power plants. Let me assure you, communities love them! (To stop the stupid comment, I'm being ironic)
I have lost a few. A few months back, I went looking the latest copy of my resume. I had e-mailed it to myself. I had previously pulled it from hotmail 2-3 times already. This time, I got some lame message about a virus and the document being removed. I was less than pleased. I used MS Word to create the file, and I'm fairly certain there is little to no chance of the file being infected. MS should be able to handle their own file formats. This is what I think happened - The resume was really old ( >3 years ), and the virus scanner got confused on the old format. This is what you get for not upgrading Word often enough, the virus scanner isn't backwards compatible. Pure speculation, but it seems plausible. I then went looking for several other old attachments. Same thing. Needless to say, I finally moved everything to gmail...
I understand your point. However, this is the world we live in. People will buy 1 share in every company on Nasdaq hoping for a scandal so that they can lead a class action lawsuit. This is perfectly legal. Don't like it. Get the laws changed. People who engage in illegal activity deserved to get hit with criminal prosecution and suffer civil actions. You use their "product". You suffer damages. Laws are violated. You have the right to sue. This is not faking an injury. You might be able to download the accelerator software without downloading a movie and violating any laws yourself.
Personally, I have no problem screwing over the MPAA. Especially we they violate the laws of the United States. Perhaps you are someone who feels the CIA and MPAA are above the law... If so, lobby to have the laws say precisely that.
This is interesting. With a little time and money, this presents an opportunity. Do a clean FC 7 install, download one movie and sue the hell out of them. They have plenty of money and, I assume, a very good insurance policy. That makes them an ideal target. If you do get a large verdict, they can pay. Plus, you can aggressively purse criminal complaints and possibly turn this into a class action lawsuit ( the others joining the CA suit might bring too much legal "baggage" cause ). Plus, during discovery, you can ask for huge amounts of data from them and make it all public record. To get the big damages, you will want to establish a pattern of behavior, so it is fair to ask for all document and programs that are similarly designed.
I have to wonder what this thing would say about my mp3 collection. I've got about 2000 high bit-rate mp3's - all burned from my CD's. I do have some downloaded mp3's, but only for music that is out of print and impossible to find. I'd buy they CDs if only someone would sell them to me. Which is another interesting point. I would like to see legislation that says copyright holders of published media must make their works available for sale - otherwise, the copyright is forfeited and the works go into the public domain. Copyrights are designed to help people get paid for their creativity and recoup T&M in creating the work. Copyrights should not be used to lock up works so that no one ever gets access ever again. (Vanglis' Cosmos music is a example that comes to mind)
From someone living here, most educated people actually do know exactly what happened in 1989. Unfortunately, the majority of people don't know the truth.
That said, this happened in 1989. Deng Xiaoping is dead. Deng Xiaoping lived through a time when students tore the country to pieces. They tortured and killed anyone who they disagreed with, and did it on a large scale. Students protesting threw Deng's son out a 4th story window and left him a paraplegic. Students in the 1960's were inhuman and ruthless. Deng had a bad impression of what protesting students will do. What Deng did is inexcusable, but put yourself in his position. If a group of people did that to your son - and also killed and torured your friends - you might not react in a reasonable manner either.
Either way, the leaders behind Tiananmen are dead and gone. The new leaders in China are different. They are fully aware that between the Internet, sms messaging, and cell phones, it is not possible to hide events anymore. The last time I know of police firing on and killing protesters (about 2 years ago in southern China) resulted in all the leaders in that crackdown being removed from duty within a week of the attack (not sure if they got bullets to the head themselves).
Indeed. You are partly correct. In the State of Texas, you can fire someone for smiling and being too happy all the time. In California or NY, that won't work, you better document everything, give the person written notice and time to correct their actions, and multiple warnings over a couple of months. So, in Texas, you can be fired for mentioning you want to buy a gun and go target shooting. In California, you will get a warning from HR that you had better not do that again. If you keep doing it, eventually, the legal dept will clear the way to fire you once they have assessed their liability.
Sorry, but I bet if you read his employment agreement, it says, "Sexist talk = you get fired." I sincerely doubt it say anything about talking about buying a pistol. This is an item that can legally be bought in the US. Just like an HDDVD. He certainly didn't threaten anyone. Now if your rule is: "You may not discuss _anything_ not related to work on company time" Then fine. Fire they guy who talks about buying a HDDVD and this guy under the same rule.
True indeed. In one way this is a great opportunity. One not since Chairman Mao was leading the cultural revolution have we seen this. Use something small to paint someone you don't like as a terrorist and they will be investigated, publicly humiliated, lose their job. It's great!
To quote Steve Martin
"Oh, common sense, we don't get that here"
-Roxanne
Where are you shopping? I count 4 shops in Shanghai between zhongshan gongyuan and ganghui xujiahui.:) You are right. Most of them have dropped off. Now you have to look down the small side streets.
The average salary in a lot of parts of china is 2 - 3,000 USD. In Shanghai, it is closer to 5,000USD. There is a good reason these people don't buy 120RMB DVD's. Average workers here (people in stores, my ayi or maid, construction worker) make 8 or 10 RMB per hour. At 10RMB for a DVD, it is a little luxury. If there were no counterfeit DVDs, there would be essentially zero sales. Zip. US studios are not losing a billion dollars a year here in sales due to counterfeiting. Back track 10 years, before file sharing, and think about how many DVD's the studios would sell in the US at over $100 a copy.
Due to the prevalence of American entertainment that is so readily available here, there is a large base of consumers in China that are accustomed to and desire American entertainment. They have very little money to spend, but that will change. Give it 10-15 years. The bottom line is that the studios have reaped a HUGE benefit from the piracy. They now have a large number of _potential_ consumers. Ten years ago, they didn't know about american DVD's and they didn't care. If there was never any piracy here, the Chinese would still be watching all Taiwanese or dubbed Honk Kong movies and TV, and would have to be converted through huge, and expensive, advertising campaigns.
Another thing. The real CD's and DVD's here that I have seen are 100 -> 160RMB. They are about the same price as in the US.
Concerning DVD's shipped from China to the US, I really don't know about that. In NYC, I remember that 4 years ago all the street vendors were selling locally made copies from the Bronx or somewhere else nearby.
You know, there might be something to the conspiracy theories on this one. Have you ever been to Shanghai? It's a really big city. 20+ million. Almost no pigeons. Can you think of any major western city without pigeons? It's not coincidence. The survival rate of a nice pump, juicy pigeon isn't that good in China. I'm a local, I know. The point being is that this has absolutely no practical use internally whatsoever. No sane mad scientist would every build a Franken-pigeon for use in China. Half would be eaten before completing their first mission. Therefore, it must have been designed for deployment outside China.
As an American who has relocated to work in China, I have yet to have problems with the censors. The ping times and transfer rates to and from the US are really slow, but I can get to everything I need. I can read the NYTimes, WSJ, CNN and, most importantly,./. I can even read this post and all the comments, even the ones that bash the Chinese Government. I don't think it's because the censors are asleep today. For instance, there was a story today in the WSJ today that covered the riots at a hospital in southern China. I'm sure the official news, Xin Hua, forgot to cover the even, but that didn't stop me from reading the story. To say that the government has this firm grip on the Chinese people is nothing more than a clear sign of ignorance. There are far to many people here for the government to even think about trying to keep an eye on everyone or maintaining tight control. Also, the techniques that are highly effective for tracking people in the US don't exist here. This is a cash society. You can go for months or years without leaving any electronic record of your existence. In the US, you can't even drive down the road without your license plate number being picked up or buy breakfast without your debit card indicating that you where Noah's Bagels on University Ave. at 7:07AM and that you bought the Kona Blend. Organizations such as the NSA have deep pockets, tremendous resources, and some very smart people.
For 99.99% or the people here, we are free to go about our business. As long as you are not advocating the overthrow of the government or engaging in illegal activities you aren't going to have too many problems here. (disclaimer: business where there is a lot of money at stake are another matter) I need not remind you how the laws have been changing in the US for anyone implicated in overthrowing the US government. Try going to websites that advocate the overthrow of the US government and have bomb making instructions. Better yet, set one up inside the US and see how long it is till you get censored. See if the two governments are really all the different. Governments defend themselves. You might not agree with the ways they do it, but they do it nonetheless. And of course the US government has NEVER tried to cover anything bad they they did up...
I'm not implying that I'm a big supporter of the Chinese government. There are a lot of things they need to improve on and change. The list is very long. However, the Chinese government is making massive improvements every year and should be given credit for doing so.
I write this b/c I think there is a tremendous amount of misunderstanding in the US of what it is really like to live in China.
It may be time for someone to start sending letters to every winblows user demanding payment for each illegal copy of the software. If investors think M$ will have to pay out $100 per copy of windows for each ip violation, they will run screaming from the stock.
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A few years ago, I spent a fair amount of time in Metrotech ( their Brooklyn data center ), and I didn't see much MS in the back office. What do you base this statement on?
PLEASE! The CIO of the biggest software company in the world leaving is news. Don't read anything into the fact that that M$ made this public. Depending on the circumstances, a public announcement for a CIO departure may be required under SOX. His replacement might have a significant impact on company spending, policies, etc. M$ can't hide this even if they want to.
I understand your point. I hear this a lot, but it is not what we have experienced. The products is well north of a million a year, and I never heard a word about FOSS concerns from any of our clients. They did have some very intense security questionnaires and audits ( I have learned to hate SOX consultants with a very deeply set passion ), but it was equally difficult to get passed them on jBoss as it was with Weblogic. Granted, I'm only looking at a slice of less than 20 major financial institutions.
I still think BEA is massively overrated and should consider themselves blessed to get the billion dollar buyout.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cf?s=BEAS
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BEAS&t=5y&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=
I think the markets price stocks well when you look over a multi-year horizon, and this is a very high premium over the last 5 years history. If there really was value there, the stock's history should show it.
They really should shut up and take their billion dollar early x-mas gift while they can.
Perhaps I'm missing something. Can someone explain the great value in BEA? Why does SAP need this to survive? Does this guy own a million shares in BEAS or does he know something I don't. My knowledge in this space is a little weak. I do know that my company ( I shouldn't say who, but our market cap is a lot higher than BEAS ) very happily dumped Weblogic for jBoss. The transition went remarkably smoothly ( Disclaimer: We did have a jBoss god on staff ), and it saves us A LOT of money. We use it for hosting some very large, complicated, financial applications. Based on what I have seen, BEA sells a product that has become a commodity. It should no longer command a premium.
Not sure if this would work, but it looks like a great material for Windsurfing sails. Mylar is thin, clear and delicate.
Interesting point. In someway you have "reproduced" invention.
For a patent to be granted, someone skilled in the art should be able to take the patent and build it.
"The patent statute requires that the application describe the invention in its "best mode" to enable an individual skilled in the art relevant to the invention to be able to repeat the invention."
If they can't actually build it, this SHOULD be a mute point.
In a world of coal fired power plants and the occasional rolling blackout b/c the grid can't keep up with demand, is the plan is to start adding cars to the load? I love it. It is just like the ethanol solution. Buy lots of corn, make ethanol. When corn prices start going up, say "Gee, I never saw that one coming." So the plan is to invest huge amounts of money in these things, and if they ever take off, say "Gee, I never thought the power grid would have problems."
Also, have you ever tried to push through new high tension power lines? You are also going to need more of those coal fire power plants. Let me assure you, communities love them! (To stop the stupid comment, I'm being ironic)
I have lost a few. A few months back, I went looking the latest copy of my resume. I had e-mailed it to myself. I had previously pulled it from hotmail 2-3 times already. This time, I got some lame message about a virus and the document being removed. I was less than pleased. I used MS Word to create the file, and I'm fairly certain there is little to no chance of the file being infected. MS should be able to handle their own file formats. This is what I think happened - The resume was really old ( >3 years ), and the virus scanner got confused on the old format. This is what you get for not upgrading Word often enough, the virus scanner isn't backwards compatible. Pure speculation, but it seems plausible. I then went looking for several other old attachments. Same thing. Needless to say, I finally moved everything to gmail...
I understand your point. However, this is the world we live in. People will buy 1 share in every company on Nasdaq hoping for a scandal so that they can lead a class action lawsuit. This is perfectly legal. Don't like it. Get the laws changed. People who engage in illegal activity deserved to get hit with criminal prosecution and suffer civil actions. You use their "product". You suffer damages. Laws are violated. You have the right to sue. This is not faking an injury. You might be able to download the accelerator software without downloading a movie and violating any laws yourself. Personally, I have no problem screwing over the MPAA. Especially we they violate the laws of the United States. Perhaps you are someone who feels the CIA and MPAA are above the law... If so, lobby to have the laws say precisely that.
This is interesting. With a little time and money, this presents an opportunity. Do a clean FC 7 install, download one movie and sue the hell out of them. They have plenty of money and, I assume, a very good insurance policy. That makes them an ideal target. If you do get a large verdict, they can pay. Plus, you can aggressively purse criminal complaints and possibly turn this into a class action lawsuit ( the others joining the CA suit might bring too much legal "baggage" cause ). Plus, during discovery, you can ask for huge amounts of data from them and make it all public record. To get the big damages, you will want to establish a pattern of behavior, so it is fair to ask for all document and programs that are similarly designed.
I have to wonder what this thing would say about my mp3 collection. I've got about 2000 high bit-rate mp3's - all burned from my CD's. I do have some downloaded mp3's, but only for music that is out of print and impossible to find. I'd buy they CDs if only someone would sell them to me. Which is another interesting point. I would like to see legislation that says copyright holders of published media must make their works available for sale - otherwise, the copyright is forfeited and the works go into the public domain. Copyrights are designed to help people get paid for their creativity and recoup T&M in creating the work. Copyrights should not be used to lock up works so that no one ever gets access ever again. (Vanglis' Cosmos music is a example that comes to mind)
From someone living here, most educated people actually do know exactly what happened in 1989. Unfortunately, the majority of people don't know the truth.
That said, this happened in 1989. Deng Xiaoping is dead. Deng Xiaoping lived through a time when students tore the country to pieces. They tortured and killed anyone who they disagreed with, and did it on a large scale. Students protesting threw Deng's son out a 4th story window and left him a paraplegic. Students in the 1960's were inhuman and ruthless. Deng had a bad impression of what protesting students will do. What Deng did is inexcusable, but put yourself in his position. If a group of people did that to your son - and also killed and torured your friends - you might not react in a reasonable manner either.
Either way, the leaders behind Tiananmen are dead and gone. The new leaders in China are different. They are fully aware that between the Internet, sms messaging, and cell phones, it is not possible to hide events anymore. The last time I know of police firing on and killing protesters (about 2 years ago in southern China) resulted in all the leaders in that crackdown being removed from duty within a week of the attack (not sure if they got bullets to the head themselves).
Indeed. You are partly correct. In the State of Texas, you can fire someone for smiling and being too happy all the time. In California or NY, that won't work, you better document everything, give the person written notice and time to correct their actions, and multiple warnings over a couple of months. So, in Texas, you can be fired for mentioning you want to buy a gun and go target shooting. In California, you will get a warning from HR that you had better not do that again. If you keep doing it, eventually, the legal dept will clear the way to fire you once they have assessed their liability.
Sorry, but I bet if you read his employment agreement, it says, "Sexist talk = you get fired." I sincerely doubt it say anything about talking about buying a pistol. This is an item that can legally be bought in the US. Just like an HDDVD. He certainly didn't threaten anyone. Now if your rule is: "You may not discuss _anything_ not related to work on company time" Then fine. Fire they guy who talks about buying a HDDVD and this guy under the same rule.
True indeed. In one way this is a great opportunity. One not since Chairman Mao was leading the cultural revolution have we seen this. Use something small to paint someone you don't like as a terrorist and they will be investigated, publicly humiliated, lose their job. It's great! To quote Steve Martin "Oh, common sense, we don't get that here" -Roxanne
Get over it. http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/ Stocks_I/threadview?m=tm&bn=9010&tid=436554&mid=43 6554&tof=3&frt=2
Look for "Report Abuse"
Yahoo! in the US has the same bloody thing. Until they arrest someone or go beyond kicking the person off the site, this is not news.
Where are you shopping? I count 4 shops in Shanghai between zhongshan gongyuan and ganghui xujiahui. :) You are right. Most of them have dropped off. Now you have to look down the small side streets.
The average salary in a lot of parts of china is 2 - 3,000 USD. In Shanghai, it is closer to 5,000USD. There is a good reason these people don't buy 120RMB DVD's. Average workers here (people in stores, my ayi or maid, construction worker) make 8 or 10 RMB per hour. At 10RMB for a DVD, it is a little luxury. If there were no counterfeit DVDs, there would be essentially zero sales. Zip. US studios are not losing a billion dollars a year here in sales due to counterfeiting. Back track 10 years, before file sharing, and think about how many DVD's the studios would sell in the US at over $100 a copy.
Due to the prevalence of American entertainment that is so readily available here, there is a large base of consumers in China that are accustomed to and desire American entertainment. They have very little money to spend, but that will change. Give it 10-15 years. The bottom line is that the studios have reaped a HUGE benefit from the piracy. They now have a large number of _potential_ consumers. Ten years ago, they didn't know about american DVD's and they didn't care. If there was never any piracy here, the Chinese would still be watching all Taiwanese or dubbed Honk Kong movies and TV, and would have to be converted through huge, and expensive, advertising campaigns.
Another thing. The real CD's and DVD's here that I have seen are 100 -> 160RMB. They are about the same price as in the US.
Concerning DVD's shipped from China to the US, I really don't know about that. In NYC, I remember that 4 years ago all the street vendors were selling locally made copies from the Bronx or somewhere else nearby.
You know, there might be something to the conspiracy theories on this one. Have you ever been to Shanghai? It's a really big city. 20+ million. Almost no pigeons. Can you think of any major western city without pigeons? It's not coincidence. The survival rate of a nice pump, juicy pigeon isn't that good in China. I'm a local, I know. The point being is that this has absolutely no practical use internally whatsoever. No sane mad scientist would every build a Franken-pigeon for use in China. Half would be eaten before completing their first mission. Therefore, it must have been designed for deployment outside China.
Here is the real story.
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This one is from the Peoples Daily Online. Not sure if the is "the" original version.
http://env.people.com.cn/GB/5421217.html
Here are some more stories with pics.
http://www.hf365.com/epublish/gb/paper2/20061101/
http://www.news365.com.cn/wxpd/sm/smxw/200702/t20
It seems to indicate that the unit weighs 10 grams and is powered by the pigeon.
Well, the odds of this thing hitting the earth in 2036 are 1 in 45,000. But the odds of a dupe on slashdot in 2036 are 1:1.
"The day is wasted if you're not." - Sewanee Bumper Sticker
As an American who has relocated to work in China, I have yet to have problems with the censors. The ping times and transfer rates to and from the US are really slow, but I can get to everything I need. I can read the NYTimes, WSJ, CNN and, most importantly, ./. I can even read this post and all the comments, even the ones that bash the Chinese Government. I don't think it's because the censors are asleep today. For instance, there was a story today in the WSJ today that covered the riots at a hospital in southern China. I'm sure the official news, Xin Hua, forgot to cover the even, but that didn't stop me from reading the story. To say that the government has this firm grip on the Chinese people is nothing more than a clear sign of ignorance. There are far to many people here for the government to even think about trying to keep an eye on everyone or maintaining tight control. Also, the techniques that are highly effective for tracking people in the US don't exist here. This is a cash society. You can go for months or years without leaving any electronic record of your existence. In the US, you can't even drive down the road without your license plate number being picked up or buy breakfast without your debit card indicating that you where Noah's Bagels on University Ave. at 7:07AM and that you bought the Kona Blend. Organizations such as the NSA have deep pockets, tremendous resources, and some very smart people.
For 99.99% or the people here, we are free to go about our business. As long as you are not advocating the overthrow of the government or engaging in illegal activities you aren't going to have too many problems here. (disclaimer: business where there is a lot of money at stake are another matter) I need not remind you how the laws have been changing in the US for anyone implicated in overthrowing the US government. Try going to websites that advocate the overthrow of the US government and have bomb making instructions. Better yet, set one up inside the US and see how long it is till you get censored. See if the two governments are really all the different. Governments defend themselves. You might not agree with the ways they do it, but they do it nonetheless. And of course the US government has NEVER tried to cover anything bad they they did up...
I'm not implying that I'm a big supporter of the Chinese government. There are a lot of things they need to improve on and change. The list is very long. However, the Chinese government is making massive improvements every year and should be given credit for doing so.
I write this b/c I think there is a tremendous amount of misunderstanding in the US of what it is really like to live in China.
It may be time for someone to start sending letters to every winblows user demanding payment for each illegal copy of the software. If investors think M$ will have to pay out $100 per copy of windows for each ip violation, they will run screaming from the stock.
It may be time for someone to start sending letters to every winblows user demanding payment for each illegal copy of the software.