I dont really see how removing the self-policing aspects of the ABA could possibly be a boon to society. So you have problems with the ABA as a private organization having such influence and sway in government. Ok, thats a perfectly reasonable criticism, but your suggested resolution is stupid. Remove the *mountain* of ethics rules by which lawyers must abide and we'd see pretty quickly just how awesome havinga bar association actually is.
So some random analyst assumes the PS3 is the problem, and it ends up in the flamebait summary even though a VP at Rockstar says they haven't figured out how to deal with the lack of hard drive in the Xbox 360
Well, you discount the authority of one person quoted from TFA ('random analyst') while ignoring the rebuttal quote also from TFA that was included in the 'flamebait' summary (Sony), so right off that bat, I'm a little skeptical of your dedication to evenhandedness. Though you are techinally correct, you did not specifically say that the problems were limited to the 360, your statment did take the form of 'why does it say A is the problem when involved party X says Y is the problem?' Problems with the 360 were cited in rebuttal of discounted claims that the problems were with the 360. So no, you didnt say that problems were limited to the 360, you just said that claims that there were problems with the PS3 were silly and that claims there were problems with the 360 werent. But go ahead and play the "i never specificaly said blah" game. Its fun. But then you cant claim to have been advocating an even treatment of the topic, for you never specifically said that the whole story should be told. Just that two anti-360 stories should be told.
I saw what you wrote, you just think that you said something different than what you wrote apparently.
On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?" To which he replied, "Yep."
He continued, "To be honest with you we haven't solved all those riddles yet." The difficulties aren't limited to working on Microsoft's box, as Houser explains that "both have enormous challenges"
I fail to see how a comment on a 3+ month old dev problem is relevant to this discussion.
I fail to see how you can rant about bias in the story and not mention that the second half of the article you cite says that such problems are not limited to the 360.
I guess its just super insightful to whine about bias by misrepresenting cited sources in a biased way.
is there ever a supply component to most music sales? I mean there's plenty of stuff that's no longer being produced, and plenty of less than popular music that i may need to seekout at smaller stores, but how is this altering anything?
Particularly for a download model. Its a binary state of available or not available. Though supply and demand doesnt really apply to monopolies or cartels, which is what the music industry is. They charge whatever they want, market forces have nothign to do with it.
Really all they're doing is using download tracking to extrapolate a demand curve from quantity demanded and then charge as much as they can for it, for as you noted, there is no supply scarcity to dictate where price should fall.
apparently. So am I. And not only that, but according to the rest of the posts on this article we are also worthless people who are dragging society with our gluttony, laziness, and overall weak morals.
I love how Fatty is the new PC thing to hate on. 'You're overweight because of your own actions, therefore its not discriminatory to call you a worthless fatass.' Makes total sense to me. I just hope that all these so-called liberal-minded/.'ers realize they're aping the same rhetoric used in defense of not providing medical and financial assistance to single mothers (worthless floozies who deserve everything they get for sleeping around like that) and the homeless (well, if they'd just get a job they wouldnt need a handout, would they?).
I'd have little problem paying $5 more a month in insurance. Its the only slightly implicit "FUCK YOU FATTY" that accompanies it that really pisses me off.
I'm of the 'hurl myself off a cliff at the first sign of wasting illness' philosophy myself, but that doesnt mean I'm not willing to chip in a few of my hard-earned dollars to help someone who wants to fight it out do so. The mentor of a good friend of mine recently died slowly and rather painfully, and I'd have to assume that she racked up quite the bill. But you know what? I'm glad that we as a collective were helping her have hope and comfort over those last few months.
Right, because good health education and public awareness is totally pwned by a $5 increase in one's insurance monthly. Why bother helping people when you can make money off them while doing nothing different to help them?
If he's not, I am. Given that I am not a criminal, when people and organizations treat me like one, they lose the right to expect my honesty. Likewise when someone (you) is a moralizing prickwad, and equates the telling of a little white lie to permit both ticket-taker and patron to both do their jobs (by telling camera-toters to take a hike, and keep phone on person, respectively) with bad moral action, the lose the privilege of my politeness and instead get my honest appraisal of their attitudes. Its very simple. Piss someone off *and* admonish them not to lie, and you'll get a very explicit and visceral response. Are you... surprised? or did you just want another opportunity to post up and call people immature? I'm gonna go ahead and guess the latter.
Also, behaving in a manner contrary to the Geneva Convention releases signatory countries from the requirement that *they* abide by it in conflicts with you. So its basically in everyone's best interest to treat it as law.
Also also, not torturing people is awesome. It should be done for its own sake.
I would encourage our American brethren to read the book 'Enigma:The Battle for the Code' by Simon Sebag-Montefiore ...and what should Britons read for further information? How about Canadians?
Or is it only Americans who need a book list patronizingly offered up?
and don't let me get started on the tech's that end up going to your houses, it's like they just don't care who they hire
Fuckin A. Couple years ago my folks were having trouble setting up their cable internets from comcast. My dad ran through the installation nonsense, but couldnt get a signal. After poking around with it for a while, and taking their modem, router, and powerbook over to my house to see if it worked (it did) I got the joy of dealing with Comcast to find out what was wrong.
First was the wonderful hour and a half I spent being slowly walked through the setup process 4 times by 4 different phone techs. I totally understand that you guys have to assume lowest common denominator and everything, but if someone says 'yeah, i know where to find my router's MAC,' the proper response is "cool what is it" not "MMkayyy, you're going to want to turn the modem over, and in the bottom corner is a series of numbers..." FUCK YOU, I just said i know where to find the fucking number, you're the 3rd person who's felt it necessary to walk me through this already.
Once it was decided that the modem was working properly, i then had to go through 2 managers because it was insisted that my father's powerbook must be at fault, you know, because its a Mac and there must be mystical powers of conflict at work. The first manager, when i told him I'd had the whole hardware setup working at my apt earlier that morning, actually replied something along the lines of, 'well I just dont see how that's possible, your machine is clearly causing this.' FUCK YOU. I dont care what you see as being possible, reality is telling you the way things are. deal with it.
Then there was the wonderful guy who came out to the house to try to figure out what was going on. He was, to his credit, the most capable technician yet. He took one look at what the computer and router were doing, and up at the cable lines behind the house, and almost instantly realized what the problem was. The cable going to my parents' house had apparently had signal filters installed back in the day to make the TV signal more clear. They worked by blocking all signals not explicitly TV related and were therefore completely blocking all the internets. Awesome. Half an hour later, he'd removed them and voila, it instantly worked. We then spent the next hour and a half arguing over whether he had corrected comcast's fuck-up, or performed an in-home installation for us. He of course advocated the latter, as it would allow him to charge us $200, $150 for the install and $50 for the 'extra' work of going and messing with the lines. First of all, I'm not convinced that the extra $50 was above board at all. Beyond that, he was only there because Comcast Fucked Up and didnt remove those filters when they rolled out the internets. Beyond that, he was there at the explicit order of the 2nd manager I'd talked with on the phone, who realized that "something must be up with the lines." He left in a huff having stated his intentions to charge us regardless.
3 weeks later I got to spend another hour on the phone with Comcast's Billing Dept. explaining the whole affair all over again. Totally awesome use of my time. Fuck Comcast
again, as I said, I'm in no way saying that the bridge is a reasonable use of federal funds. I was just saying he should know what he's talking about before going all sarcastic at someone. With the building of the bridge removed from discussion by my preface that duh, thats a fucking waste of money... what exaclty was your fucking point?
I am in no way saying that the bridge is a reasonable use of federal funds, however...
If you looked at a topographical map of the area, or kept in mind that its... Alaska, you might realize that all that green space around the town is rather too mountainous for development. Or you might decide that its more fun talking out of your ass, and proceed with the wonderful 'radioactive wasteland' nonsense.
While tempting, I still don't want to get caught with a device only supported by such a limited market. Not to mention such a lowend device/player. Thats what i was thinking at first, too, but for $100 for the player, and another couple bucks a month on my netflix, i can have an essentially throw-away player if HD-DVD loses, and not really need to own any movies I'd get stuck with. Its actually kindof a tempting deal if you're willing to just count the $100 as a loss from the get-go.
I'm sure that the lack of technical expertise on the part of the people evaluating Sony's deal with this company lead them to enter into a deal that they would have avoided like the plague, had they understood the ramifications of their actions. I understand what you're getting at, but ignorance doesnt get them off the hook. The fact remains that they should have understood the stakes, and they should have had some serious QA on the "security device" (rootkit), and they should have had direct legal dept. oversight when considering hiding programs on customer's computers. The fact that they didnt have (or had faulty attempts at) these in no way removes their liability or places them in victim status. I simply fundamentally disagree. The issue of undisclosed GPL'd code you mentioned earlier is obviously a different matter, but is also separate from the furor over the effects of the rootkit.
Heh. I presume you know the SNL sketch to which I was referring.... quite. was more of an Airplanesque "dont call me shirley" response.
Painted by whom? their own PR, obviously.
Do you think this suit will make anywhere near the national news that did? Do you think anyone outside of the anti-DRM community will hear about it?
And the people who actually know about DRM aren't going to cut Sony any slack anywhere near? no, clearly not. Its damage mitigation. Its not like they'll be able convince us of anything, but they'll have something to back up their statements of "Oh, woe is us we had no idea," if they actually make this case. The people who actually know about DRM dont matter (yet). I never said any of it will be convincing, clearly it wont be. But it will lend credence to their PR, as far as any of the uninformed who hear it, and that can hardly work ill for them.
You are partially right. Pass the buck was not entirely what i meant. I should have said pass the buck *and* the debt. They are trying to recover a debt they incurred from their 3rd party vendor. Yes they had a contractual agreement, and as you say, I'm sure Sony doesnt care what I have to say on the subject. If that was reason to not say something, then the discussion boards here would be rather empty. What blame are they trying to pass off? Are you stupid? There is a two-fold implication to this suit. First, of course, is that if they win they get some of their money back. And corporations like money, thats fine, totally understandable, in fact. Second, however, is that if they win they they too are painted as a victim in the whole affair, rather than as the primary transgressor. They committed crimes on a national scale, but if they can somehow show that it was really the fault of the company that wrote the nasty rootkit for them and they were just innocents duped by said company, then they get to launch a PR campaign about how awesome they are. How can you possibly justify the notion that buck-passing is not going on here? A win in this case is a huge PR boon for Sony. I'm not saying that its their primary concern, i have no standing to say any such thing. But to say that its not concern at all is just silly. Just because its a lawsuit doesnt make it not also a dog and pony show. And dont call me Anna.
Yes, but I believe what the gp was saying is that this claim of "software wasnt delivered to specifications" is clearly a post hoc piece of garbage that they are alleging to try to pass the buck. They fought too hard and long saying that there was nothing wrong with the rootkits and that it was necessary to protect their IP blah blah blah blah, for any kind of *collarpull* "oh we totally didnt ask for the software to do these things" to be given any credence whatsoever.
What do you think went down? Sony asked for a noninvasive piece of monitoring software that could be easily detected and removed or blocked from being installed, and then they were delivered a fucking rootkit instead and they went "Dur, look fine to us" and ran with it? Fuck no. They tested it, inspected it, decided it was exactly what they wanted, and then ran with it. And they deserve every penny lost because of their actions.
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I dont really see how removing the self-policing aspects of the ABA could possibly be a boon to society. So you have problems with the ABA as a private organization having such influence and sway in government. Ok, thats a perfectly reasonable criticism, but your suggested resolution is stupid. Remove the *mountain* of ethics rules by which lawyers must abide and we'd see pretty quickly just how awesome havinga bar association actually is.
Well, you discount the authority of one person quoted from TFA ('random analyst') while ignoring the rebuttal quote also from TFA that was included in the 'flamebait' summary (Sony), so right off that bat, I'm a little skeptical of your dedication to evenhandedness. Though you are techinally correct, you did not specifically say that the problems were limited to the 360, your statment did take the form of 'why does it say A is the problem when involved party X says Y is the problem?' Problems with the 360 were cited in rebuttal of discounted claims that the problems were with the 360. So no, you didnt say that problems were limited to the 360, you just said that claims that there were problems with the PS3 were silly and that claims there were problems with the 360 werent. But go ahead and play the "i never specificaly said blah" game. Its fun. But then you cant claim to have been advocating an even treatment of the topic, for you never specifically said that the whole story should be told. Just that two anti-360 stories should be told.
I saw what you wrote, you just think that you said something different than what you wrote apparently.I fail to see how a comment on a 3+ month old dev problem is relevant to this discussion.
I fail to see how you can rant about bias in the story and not mention that the second half of the article you cite says that such problems are not limited to the 360.
I guess its just super insightful to whine about bias by misrepresenting cited sources in a biased way.
*highfive*
is there ever a supply component to most music sales?
I mean there's plenty of stuff that's no longer being produced, and plenty of less than popular music that i may need to seekout at smaller stores, but how is this altering anything?
Particularly for a download model. Its a binary state of available or not available.
Though supply and demand doesnt really apply to monopolies or cartels, which is what the music industry is. They charge whatever they want, market forces have nothign to do with it.
Really all they're doing is using download tracking to extrapolate a demand curve from quantity demanded and then charge as much as they can for it, for as you noted, there is no supply scarcity to dictate where price should fall.
makes sense to me
apparently.
/.'ers realize they're aping the same rhetoric used in defense of not providing medical and financial assistance to single mothers (worthless floozies who deserve everything they get for sleeping around like that) and the homeless (well, if they'd just get a job they wouldnt need a handout, would they?).
So am I.
And not only that, but according to the rest of the posts on this article we are also worthless people who are dragging society with our gluttony, laziness, and overall weak morals.
I love how Fatty is the new PC thing to hate on.
'You're overweight because of your own actions, therefore its not discriminatory to call you a worthless fatass.'
Makes total sense to me.
I just hope that all these so-called liberal-minded
I'd have little problem paying $5 more a month in insurance. Its the only slightly implicit "FUCK YOU FATTY" that accompanies it that really pisses me off.
I'm of the 'hurl myself off a cliff at the first sign of wasting illness' philosophy myself, but that doesnt mean I'm not willing to chip in a few of my hard-earned dollars to help someone who wants to fight it out do so. The mentor of a good friend of mine recently died slowly and rather painfully, and I'd have to assume that she racked up quite the bill. But you know what? I'm glad that we as a collective were helping her have hope and comfort over those last few months.
Right, because good health education and public awareness is totally pwned by a $5 increase in one's insurance monthly.
Why bother helping people when you can make money off them while doing nothing different to help them?
Heretic! All shall bow before the iChurch...
...thats *totally* what I wanted to to with my multimedia smartphone!
Terminal!
I thought they relocated to Canada to avoid doing just that.
where did you hear this?
If he's not, I am. Given that I am not a criminal, when people and organizations treat me like one, they lose the right to expect my honesty.
Likewise when someone (you) is a moralizing prickwad, and equates the telling of a little white lie to permit both ticket-taker and patron to both do their jobs (by telling camera-toters to take a hike, and keep phone on person, respectively) with bad moral action, the lose the privilege of my politeness and instead get my honest appraisal of their attitudes.
Its very simple. Piss someone off *and* admonish them not to lie, and you'll get a very explicit and visceral response.
Are you... surprised? or did you just want another opportunity to post up and call people immature?
I'm gonna go ahead and guess the latter.
...cause it also said not to link directly to the wiki like you did.
Just sayin...
Also, behaving in a manner contrary to the Geneva Convention releases signatory countries from the requirement that *they* abide by it in conflicts with you. So its basically in everyone's best interest to treat it as law.
Also also, not torturing people is awesome. It should be done for its own sake.
Fuckin A. Couple years ago my folks were having trouble setting up their cable internets from comcast. My dad ran through the installation nonsense, but couldnt get a signal. After poking around with it for a while, and taking their modem, router, and powerbook over to my house to see if it worked (it did) I got the joy of dealing with Comcast to find out what was wrong.
First was the wonderful hour and a half I spent being slowly walked through the setup process 4 times by 4 different phone techs. I totally understand that you guys have to assume lowest common denominator and everything, but if someone says 'yeah, i know where to find my router's MAC,' the proper response is "cool what is it" not "MMkayyy, you're going to want to turn the modem over, and in the bottom corner is a series of numbers..." FUCK YOU, I just said i know where to find the fucking number, you're the 3rd person who's felt it necessary to walk me through this already.
Once it was decided that the modem was working properly, i then had to go through 2 managers because it was insisted that my father's powerbook must be at fault, you know, because its a Mac and there must be mystical powers of conflict at work. The first manager, when i told him I'd had the whole hardware setup working at my apt earlier that morning, actually replied something along the lines of, 'well I just dont see how that's possible, your machine is clearly causing this.' FUCK YOU. I dont care what you see as being possible, reality is telling you the way things are. deal with it.
Then there was the wonderful guy who came out to the house to try to figure out what was going on. He was, to his credit, the most capable technician yet. He took one look at what the computer and router were doing, and up at the cable lines behind the house, and almost instantly realized what the problem was. The cable going to my parents' house had apparently had signal filters installed back in the day to make the TV signal more clear. They worked by blocking all signals not explicitly TV related and were therefore completely blocking all the internets. Awesome. Half an hour later, he'd removed them and voila, it instantly worked. We then spent the next hour and a half arguing over whether he had corrected comcast's fuck-up, or performed an in-home installation for us. He of course advocated the latter, as it would allow him to charge us $200, $150 for the install and $50 for the 'extra' work of going and messing with the lines. First of all, I'm not convinced that the extra $50 was above board at all. Beyond that, he was only there because Comcast Fucked Up and didnt remove those filters when they rolled out the internets. Beyond that, he was there at the explicit order of the 2nd manager I'd talked with on the phone, who realized that "something must be up with the lines." He left in a huff having stated his intentions to charge us regardless.
3 weeks later I got to spend another hour on the phone with Comcast's Billing Dept. explaining the whole affair all over again. Totally awesome use of my time. Fuck Comcastagain, as I said, I'm in no way saying that the bridge is a reasonable use of federal funds. I was just saying he should know what he's talking about before going all sarcastic at someone.
With the building of the bridge removed from discussion by my preface that duh, thats a fucking waste of money... what exaclty was your fucking point?
I am in no way saying that the bridge is a reasonable use of federal funds, however... If you looked at a topographical map of the area, or kept in mind that its... Alaska, you might realize that all that green space around the town is rather too mountainous for development. Or you might decide that its more fun talking out of your ass, and proceed with the wonderful 'radioactive wasteland' nonsense.
At least one *can* drive from alaska to the lower 48.
You are partially right. Pass the buck was not entirely what i meant. I should have said pass the buck *and* the debt. They are trying to recover a debt they incurred from their 3rd party vendor.
Yes they had a contractual agreement, and as you say, I'm sure Sony doesnt care what I have to say on the subject. If that was reason to not say something, then the discussion boards here would be rather empty. What blame are they trying to pass off? Are you stupid? There is a two-fold implication to this suit. First, of course, is that if they win they get some of their money back. And corporations like money, thats fine, totally understandable, in fact. Second, however, is that if they win they they too are painted as a victim in the whole affair, rather than as the primary transgressor. They committed crimes on a national scale, but if they can somehow show that it was really the fault of the company that wrote the nasty rootkit for them and they were just innocents duped by said company, then they get to launch a PR campaign about how awesome they are.
How can you possibly justify the notion that buck-passing is not going on here? A win in this case is a huge PR boon for Sony. I'm not saying that its their primary concern, i have no standing to say any such thing. But to say that its not concern at all is just silly. Just because its a lawsuit doesnt make it not also a dog and pony show.
And dont call me Anna.
Yes, but I believe what the gp was saying is that this claim of "software wasnt delivered to specifications" is clearly a post hoc piece of garbage that they are alleging to try to pass the buck. They fought too hard and long saying that there was nothing wrong with the rootkits and that it was necessary to protect their IP blah blah blah blah, for any kind of *collarpull* "oh we totally didnt ask for the software to do these things" to be given any credence whatsoever.
What do you think went down? Sony asked for a noninvasive piece of monitoring software that could be easily detected and removed or blocked from being installed, and then they were delivered a fucking rootkit instead and they went "Dur, look fine to us" and ran with it? Fuck no. They tested it, inspected it, decided it was exactly what they wanted, and then ran with it. And they deserve every penny lost because of their actions.
you got a virtual boy but not a wii? why?
Fuckin' A