Oh yes, and I cut myself when I was unpacking the two Deep Blues I bought, but the shrink wrap was not as tight as the one around my Ferraris steering wheel!
"My point is that if you are going to look at TCO for a *nix based system, or rather one element of it, the cost of staff to administrate it, per member of staff, that cost is going to be higher. This is because getting a decent *nix admin is more expensive than getting a decent windows admin - and generally you dont need decent windows admins."
yes - but i'm claiming that the decent *nix admin will be cheaper in the future, since the number of admins will grow.
all in all, i agree with you, i'm just saying that the number of reasons to build on OSS will increase, and the "TCO" (which is BS made up by Microsoft alone, by the way) decreases.
sure. but don't forgot that you're sampling one point from a curve. the more interesting question is what kind of derivation you have. i can not see open source software declining. i can not see the salary for unix admins rising. why should i care about this one sampling point then? it's outdated the moment you say it.
what i mean is, for me, discussion is a valid form of communication, even between people of different skills. and i consider a "master" to be experienced and patient enough to bear with the rampant youngster.
anyway, this is off topic, so nevermind:)
Ok, I do understand that Novell is close to becoming a Microsoft whore, but you need to be able to separate individual actions from company policy. There are quite a few programmers being paid by Novell who work on quite exciting open source stuff (Evolution, XGL). I care a tapdancing horsecrap that their employers also chose to bond with Microsoft - that doesn't taint the entire operation, just a fraction of it.
And we've got yet to see if this really hurts the community - so far I can only see that it unites them in their hatred, and perhaps that is exactly the plan of Microsoft: to taint Novell in a way that makes it inacceptable to its fans.
Your allegations, gentlemen, are built on sandy ground.
I cannot understand why people ditch this fabulous product! After all, it was made from the same company which brought us the securest and most stable operating system of all times!
First of all it's a bit sad to see that this article is on MSN MoneyCentral, as Microsoft was initially interested in contributing to OLPC, then lost interest and claimed it was nonsense. Thus, this article sounds a bit like "Teslas million-dollar folly", a smear campaign by J.P.Morgan to denounce Nikola Teslas work on the Wardenclyffe Tower, a project to transmit radio waves and wireless power.
Second, why should any third world countries families "mind share" (which reminds me a lot of Learys "neuronal time" concept, reworked for wall street nerds) be more valuable than mine? And how does electricity relate to a tool that allows to process information? Are they essentially saying that people need food more than a device that allows them to become computer literate? They need both! This is the usual patronizing snotty perspective known from industrial countries.
Third, I've talked to my sister, who has worked as a development aid volunteer in Kameroun and Guatemala, about the laptop. I wanted to know her perspective on the idea, since she knows the people living there. She said, they have a tendency to just call a device broken even if only one button is jammed. So there has to be a technician available who can fix these things. They also would rather sell their laptop instead of using it. So they can't take the device with them. But all in all she thinks it's a good idea and understands its importance.
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Back in the days when I was young, 0-Day was warez-slang, but now it has become some mainstream buzzword.
Not a long time until they start to replace "new" for "zero day" in advertising. Remember where you heard it first.
The Zero Day Kids On The Block. Zero Day York, Zero Day York.
3 bill hicks.
Keep going Bill, and the Gates family will be legitimate one day!
Oh yes, and I cut myself when I was unpacking the two Deep Blues I bought, but the shrink wrap was not as tight as the one around my Ferraris steering wheel!
Oh yes, This is an international problem! I can see how third world country children get all raged over having a hard time opening their OLPC laptops.
Seriously, I can't imagine how someone who gets a shitload of toys at Christmas even _dares_ to complain about the packaging in a serious way!
This article makes me incredibly angry.
Does InvSqurt stand for Inverted Squirt? Is this when I bring my Zune back to the store after I found out what a piece of shit it is?
"My point is that if you are going to look at TCO for a *nix based system, or rather one element of it, the cost of staff to administrate it, per member of staff, that cost is going to be higher. This is because getting a decent *nix admin is more expensive than getting a decent windows admin - and generally you dont need decent windows admins."
yes - but i'm claiming that the decent *nix admin will be cheaper in the future, since the number of admins will grow.
all in all, i agree with you, i'm just saying that the number of reasons to build on OSS will increase, and the "TCO" (which is BS made up by Microsoft alone, by the way) decreases.
sure. but don't forgot that you're sampling one point from a curve. the more interesting question is what kind of derivation you have. i can not see open source software declining. i can not see the salary for unix admins rising. why should i care about this one sampling point then? it's outdated the moment you say it.
unix techies are expensive? you're aware that if oss catches on at this rate, you'll get unix monkeys a dozen.
No. Windows Genuine Advantage doesn't help the least against imitation.
And honestly, I rather prefer the imitation.
Red Windsor?
Stilton?
Gruyere? Emmental?
Any Norwegian Jarlsberger?
Liptauer?
Lancashire?
White Stilton?
Danish Blue?
Double Gloucester?
Cheshire?
Any Dorset Blue Vinney?
Brie, Roquefort, Pont-l'Évêque, Port Salut, Savoyard, Saint-Paulin, Carre-de-L'Est, Boursin, Bresse-Bleu, Perle de Champagne, Camenbert?
Fridge, serve cheese!
"Please specify brand."
Red Leicester?
"Out of Red Leicester."
Tilsit?
"Computing..."
"Out of Tilsit. Tilsit will be delivered next week."
Four ounces of Caerphilly?
"Out of Caerphilly. Has been ordered."
Well then, Bel Paese?
"Out of Bel Paese. Sorry."
etc.
Lack of access to pornography would have turned me into a sad and lonely man. Just as you are, my gentle troll.
hahahahhaha :D
Hello from Seattle!
You mean the Penguin Advantage?
what i mean is, for me, discussion is a valid form of communication, even between people of different skills. and i consider a "master" to be experienced and patient enough to bear with the rampant youngster. anyway, this is off topic, so nevermind :)
i want your soul, of course! ;)
i'm sorry, guess i was overlooking some of the conversation.
So that means, you're saying, since you are a professional laywer, and I'm not, I shouldn't get into an argument with you about the law.
So what acceptable form of communication remains except asking you for your opinion or advice?
What the hell? "compiles" the kernel? maybe fast scrolling text is always compiling to you! :D
IT COMPILES THE KERNEL OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN!
If their plan is so obvious, why are they doing it anyway? And when did you not see a silly plan emerge from Redmond HQ?
Ok, I do understand that Novell is close to becoming a Microsoft whore, but you need to be able to separate individual actions from company policy. There are quite a few programmers being paid by Novell who work on quite exciting open source stuff (Evolution, XGL). I care a tapdancing horsecrap that their employers also chose to bond with Microsoft - that doesn't taint the entire operation, just a fraction of it.
And we've got yet to see if this really hurts the community - so far I can only see that it unites them in their hatred, and perhaps that is exactly the plan of Microsoft: to taint Novell in a way that makes it inacceptable to its fans.
Your allegations, gentlemen, are built on sandy ground.
I cannot understand why people ditch this fabulous product! After all, it was made from the same company which brought us the securest and most stable operating system of all times!
Cut the crap, this is pure paranoia. Since when exactly does every little action by Novell employees deserve an article at Slashdot?
First of all it's a bit sad to see that this article is on MSN MoneyCentral, as Microsoft was initially interested in contributing to OLPC, then lost interest and claimed it was nonsense. Thus, this article sounds a bit like "Teslas million-dollar folly", a smear campaign by J.P.Morgan to denounce Nikola Teslas work on the Wardenclyffe Tower, a project to transmit radio waves and wireless power.
Second, why should any third world countries families "mind share" (which reminds me a lot of Learys "neuronal time" concept, reworked for wall street nerds) be more valuable than mine? And how does electricity relate to a tool that allows to process information? Are they essentially saying that people need food more than a device that allows them to become computer literate? They need both! This is the usual patronizing snotty perspective known from industrial countries.
Third, I've talked to my sister, who has worked as a development aid volunteer in Kameroun and Guatemala, about the laptop. I wanted to know her perspective on the idea, since she knows the people living there. She said, they have a tendency to just call a device broken even if only one button is jammed. So there has to be a technician available who can fix these things. They also would rather sell their laptop instead of using it. So they can't take the device with them. But all in all she thinks it's a good idea and understands its importance.