hey copied resizing the map window to fill up the browser window.They copied the general color scheme.
No doubt this is an answer to Google maps, but the things you list as copying are more like just "keeping up with the times". When Volvo first put seatbelts in it's cars standard, was GM copying this when they added it to theirs? When Mercedes put a Navagation system in their car and adaptive cruise control, did Lexus copy these? Or were they cool ideas that obviously a competitor would need to integrate and improve on? Does Google integrate traffic information in their maps like Microsoft and Yahoo maps? Microsoft told me a major road would be closed for repairs, Google told me to enjoy the road. Microsoft has been giving travel directions for most of western europe and a large portion of south america and asia for years, google only has North america, Japan and UK. Was Google copying microsoft by adding directions here? If Google adds traffic info, I'm sure everyone here will claim its some revolutionary new invention too.
This is a completely new paradigm for interactive GIS apps.
It's interesting you bring up the GIS applications, I actually have a degree in GIS and I can tell you that Google invented nothing new here. They are still using vector data with raster overlays. Their application of using AJAX to do it is the only novel thing about it. For instance have you ever used Microsoft streets and trips? You can drag to your hearts content on maps with that for the last 10 years.
They copied DHTML layering to show point data on top of the maps.
Both mapquest and Microsoft had this before Google btw, Google only made it look cooler using transpancies.
Yes, Microsoft innovates on existing idea and doesn't really invent anything new. News flash, that is EXACTLY Google's business plan as well. Get used to the fact that neither company will come up with an original idea, but simply better existing ideas.
Well no one can argue that the Google Satellite data is better, but you can't really credit Google "innovation" for that, keyhole gathered the data and they just bought them. Microsoft seems to have better mapping data from my experience, Google has some absolutely horrendous path finding...it quoted me a 23 hour drive from Baltimore to New Orleans...taking a route 6 fucking hours longer then Microsoft found. Google consistently fails at meeting Mapquest and Microsoft in any kind of long term directions finding.
dragability that's *fast*
This is certainly a matter of opinion or location i suppose, it seems just as fast to me
Google's incarnation functions like a finished piece of software (while still carrying the 'beta' tag)
Google maps didn't even have a bloody scale bar until last week, which is the most basic element of a map....Google has given me dangerously bad directions, and as mentioned above, horribly inefficient ones too. Google can't find things that are on it shows on it's map (Solomons Island, MD, Reagan National Airport).
Neither solutions are perfect, i'm just a little sick of the damn Google fan boys here.
Weird, i've never tried looking for just one letter, but you're right, it doesn't bring up one letter stocks (No S, or F either). Interestingly McDonald's is the most popular search for the letter S.
Oh also, before someone else beats me to them, I'm thinking about submitting a story about Google's new News section? Oh and i hear they might be coming out with a web based email! Man, front page for me tonight, man!
That wouldn't work, it goes by who links to YOU, not the other way around, so if you check your score, wait for the other person to sign off, then look at your score again, that might work better. But since it goes by degrees of seperation, that wouldn't be too reliable, and if you have numbers like some people i've found (20000+!!) it may be impossible.
How do they find out who has added you as a buddy? Is this some open database somewhere? Anyone feel free to clue me in on the details? It would be neat to see who exactly has you as a buddy (ex girlfriend still stalking you? etc)
The event will have multiple sponsors, but for the record even NASCAR only has one "headlining" sponsor each race. It's the Subway 500 or the CocaCola 450 or whatever. AMD can probably still can (and probably still will) have a smaller level of sponsorship.
That is why I hate playing any team games anymore on Halo 2 unless i know everyone on the team...waaaay too frustrating otherwise. And even if everyone on your team is nice, the other team will quit if losing. If they need to fix anything in halo 2, its the wussy quitters...it takes like 5 games to have one full game without cheating or quitting, i swear.
BBSing and IRC...how i spent my high school years.... some people's high school memories are track and football, mine are mostly Legend of the Red Dragon and DalNet. Oh and maybe playing Syndicate, that game gives me good summer memories.
That wouldn't be racism as living in China does not mean you are of the Chinese race (and does that mean Han Chinese, Manchu, etc...). As China contains many many different races, all of whom are happy to work for wages that would be substandard in the USA. I think what you are describing would just be plain stereotyping. But hey, pull out the race card, everyone enjoys that.
Wow could he have mentioned Google(tm) any more? I'm certain any map program could have performed the same act? Next time, if the submitter would be kind enough to mention that his Honda (tm) was not speeding, but getting a Honda(tm)-like 35 mpg while providing Honda (tm) level of safety and it was excessive force for the officer to Taser(tm) him. Luckily the Taser(tm) did not run out of batteries as Taser(tm) maintains the highest level of quality.
Everyone did notice that his web page was just a schill for Google right?
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It's called a joke...unless you think the line before it was serious: Sony has just now produced its third console, while Microsoft is already on its 360th. That's an order of magnitude more experience.
People from Microsoft leave all the time to work other tech jobs, Microsoft doesn't care as long as its not a direct competitor for what you did at MS. He headed the MSN division and left for Google. If he went to work for Oracle, or Dell or even Apple he would have been alright.
Ok another little novelty thing that Google does that will get tons of attention....this might be neat if you could actually use it as a map, say type in "Ptolemaeus" and it will show you where that crater is in the moon. This just kind of seems like a waste of time for the Google people (this has what to do with Search again??!). And the swiss cheese thing...man i was just wetting my pants with that.
I have BoA with SiteKey, and I think it's a great idea, first you give you login id (which is not your bank account id), then it asks you a random question (assuming your not on a trusted machine), THEN it shows you your picture, and only after that do you enter your password. So the worst a phishing scam can get from you is your login id. I guess it can also get you to answer a question, but I remember which questions i originally set, so that's another level of protection.
Of course I think a smart phisher could just make a site that said "Bank of America's SiteKey is currently down...please enter your credit card and expiration date to verify your identity" and tons of people will still do it.
My sentiments exactly. Just do a search for him in the old stories. He's the guy that wrote the yahoo store, but spends all his time now writing long essays on subjects that he has no direct experience or knowledge of, and every other one gets linked front page to slashdot.
Well in this case the company has a lot more to lose then the individual. This Microsoft exec could have gotten a tech job with any company that wasn't directly competing with Microsoft (just go for a "partner" company or something). Leaving from the MSN division to go to Google, he obviously must be carrying some trade secrets with him. Why else would Google want him? Because of the sucess of the MSN search engine? It's brilliant search techniques?
Think of it the other way around, if you are Larry and Sergey and you put X exec in charge of some top secret new Google project, say the Google OS everyone is speculating about, and that person, after finding out the details of this project suddenly goes and works for Microsoft in the Longhorn division. Wouldn't that scare you, as a company who has just put all this money into developing this new project? I think non-compete clauses that allow no work in the tech sector basically afterwards are dumb, but this kind of non-compete clause is just necessary to stop corporate espianoge.
Other ways to get a front page article on slashdot:
1) Mention Google....is it rumored that Google may buy a company that searches pictures of toenails online? Front page baby.
2) Link to any article proposing a bug or flaw with anything Microsoft. Some 15 year old writes a blog saying he thinks the next version of Windows has "a bajillion security holes"? That's not only front page material, you're maybe even looking at duped front page material
3) Paul Graham wrote an article about his flower garden, and how he's a "hacker" for using fertilizer? You know that baby is front page material.
Like Dvorak said....can't you just stick a copyright notice on there? My understanding of copyright law is that your notice is all thats required? I don't think creative commons will embark on a lawsuit for you either if your work is violated?
It does suck that MS likes to stick non standards into their browser, but the Mozilla standard extremists take it a little too far the other way. Despite what the standard says, if Netscape and IE have been doing it for the last 5 years, its a de facto standard and the real standard should be changed. I know there are a couple of things like this, the first one that comes to mind is the "alt" tag, that Mozilla refuses to make behave like it does it other common browsers...I applaud them for sticking to the standard, but they should at least offer a "non compliant" mode.
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hey copied resizing the map window to fill up the browser window.They copied the general color scheme.
No doubt this is an answer to Google maps, but the things you list as copying are more like just "keeping up with the times". When Volvo first put seatbelts in it's cars standard, was GM copying this when they added it to theirs? When Mercedes put a Navagation system in their car and adaptive cruise control, did Lexus copy these? Or were they cool ideas that obviously a competitor would need to integrate and improve on? Does Google integrate traffic information in their maps like Microsoft and Yahoo maps? Microsoft told me a major road would be closed for repairs, Google told me to enjoy the road. Microsoft has been giving travel directions for most of western europe and a large portion of south america and asia for years, google only has North america, Japan and UK. Was Google copying microsoft by adding directions here? If Google adds traffic info, I'm sure everyone here will claim its some revolutionary new invention too.
This is a completely new paradigm for interactive GIS apps.
It's interesting you bring up the GIS applications, I actually have a degree in GIS and I can tell you that Google invented nothing new here. They are still using vector data with raster overlays. Their application of using AJAX to do it is the only novel thing about it. For instance have you ever used Microsoft streets and trips? You can drag to your hearts content on maps with that for the last 10 years.
They copied DHTML layering to show point data on top of the maps.
Both mapquest and Microsoft had this before Google btw, Google only made it look cooler using transpancies.
Yes, Microsoft innovates on existing idea and doesn't really invent anything new. News flash, that is EXACTLY Google's business plan as well. Get used to the fact that neither company will come up with an original idea, but simply better existing ideas.
Well no one can argue that the Google Satellite data is better, but you can't really credit Google "innovation" for that, keyhole gathered the data and they just bought them. Microsoft seems to have better mapping data from my experience, Google has some absolutely horrendous path finding...it quoted me a 23 hour drive from Baltimore to New Orleans...taking a route 6 fucking hours longer then Microsoft found. Google consistently fails at meeting Mapquest and Microsoft in any kind of long term directions finding.
dragability that's *fast*
This is certainly a matter of opinion or location i suppose, it seems just as fast to me
Google's incarnation functions like a finished piece of software (while still carrying the 'beta' tag)
Google maps didn't even have a bloody scale bar until last week, which is the most basic element of a map....Google has given me dangerously bad directions, and as mentioned above, horribly inefficient ones too. Google can't find things that are on it shows on it's map (Solomons Island, MD, Reagan National Airport).
Neither solutions are perfect, i'm just a little sick of the damn Google fan boys here.
Except that Microsoft had mapping, local search and satellite data first...years ago. The only thing they "copied" was the dragability.
Weird, i've never tried looking for just one letter, but you're right, it doesn't bring up one letter stocks (No S, or F either). Interestingly McDonald's is the most popular search for the letter S.
Oh also, before someone else beats me to them, I'm thinking about submitting a story about Google's new News section? Oh and i hear they might be coming out with a web based email! Man, front page for me tonight, man!
It was, just earlier this week....don't worry nothing Google posts in it's blog is missed here.
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That wouldn't work, it goes by who links to YOU, not the other way around, so if you check your score, wait for the other person to sign off, then look at your score again, that might work better. But since it goes by degrees of seperation, that wouldn't be too reliable, and if you have numbers like some people i've found (20000+!!) it may be impossible.
Ah but its still a pretty cool app though
How do they find out who has added you as a buddy? Is this some open database somewhere? Anyone feel free to clue me in on the details? It would be neat to see who exactly has you as a buddy (ex girlfriend still stalking you? etc)
Seriously, how can a contract clause saying "when you quit you can not work in this industry for x months" be legal?
When you sign it? No one is putting a gun to your head, and it offers the company protection from corporate espianoge
The event will have multiple sponsors, but for the record even NASCAR only has one "headlining" sponsor each race. It's the Subway 500 or the CocaCola 450 or whatever. AMD can probably still can (and probably still will) have a smaller level of sponsorship.
That is why I hate playing any team games anymore on Halo 2 unless i know everyone on the team...waaaay too frustrating otherwise. And even if everyone on your team is nice, the other team will quit if losing. If they need to fix anything in halo 2, its the wussy quitters...it takes like 5 games to have one full game without cheating or quitting, i swear.
BBSing and IRC...how i spent my high school years.... some people's high school memories are track and football, mine are mostly Legend of the Red Dragon and DalNet. Oh and maybe playing Syndicate, that game gives me good summer memories.
That wouldn't be racism as living in China does not mean you are of the Chinese race (and does that mean Han Chinese, Manchu, etc...). As China contains many many different races, all of whom are happy to work for wages that would be substandard in the USA. I think what you are describing would just be plain stereotyping. But hey, pull out the race card, everyone enjoys that.
Wow could he have mentioned Google(tm) any more? I'm certain any map program could have performed the same act? Next time, if the submitter would be kind enough to mention that his Honda (tm) was not speeding, but getting a Honda(tm)-like 35 mpg while providing Honda (tm) level of safety and it was excessive force for the officer to Taser(tm) him. Luckily the Taser(tm) did not run out of batteries as Taser(tm) maintains the highest level of quality.
Everyone did notice that his web page was just a schill for Google right?
It's called a joke...unless you think the line before it was serious: Sony has just now produced its third console, while Microsoft is already on its 360th. That's an order of magnitude more experience.
People from Microsoft leave all the time to work other tech jobs, Microsoft doesn't care as long as its not a direct competitor for what you did at MS. He headed the MSN division and left for Google. If he went to work for Oracle, or Dell or even Apple he would have been alright.
Ok another little novelty thing that Google does that will get tons of attention....this might be neat if you could actually use it as a map, say type in "Ptolemaeus" and it will show you where that crater is in the moon. This just kind of seems like a waste of time for the Google people (this has what to do with Search again??!). And the swiss cheese thing...man i was just wetting my pants with that.
I have BoA with SiteKey, and I think it's a great idea, first you give you login id (which is not your bank account id), then it asks you a random question (assuming your not on a trusted machine), THEN it shows you your picture, and only after that do you enter your password. So the worst a phishing scam can get from you is your login id. I guess it can also get you to answer a question, but I remember which questions i originally set, so that's another level of protection.
Of course I think a smart phisher could just make a site that said "Bank of America's SiteKey is currently down...please enter your credit card and expiration date to verify your identity" and tons of people will still do it.
My sentiments exactly. Just do a search for him in the old stories. He's the guy that wrote the yahoo store, but spends all his time now writing long essays on subjects that he has no direct experience or knowledge of, and every other one gets linked front page to slashdot.
Well in this case the company has a lot more to lose then the individual. This Microsoft exec could have gotten a tech job with any company that wasn't directly competing with Microsoft (just go for a "partner" company or something). Leaving from the MSN division to go to Google, he obviously must be carrying some trade secrets with him. Why else would Google want him? Because of the sucess of the MSN search engine? It's brilliant search techniques?
Think of it the other way around, if you are Larry and Sergey and you put X exec in charge of some top secret new Google project, say the Google OS everyone is speculating about, and that person, after finding out the details of this project suddenly goes and works for Microsoft in the Longhorn division. Wouldn't that scare you, as a company who has just put all this money into developing this new project? I think non-compete clauses that allow no work in the tech sector basically afterwards are dumb, but this kind of non-compete clause is just necessary to stop corporate espianoge.
Other ways to get a front page article on slashdot:
1) Mention Google....is it rumored that Google may buy a company that searches pictures of toenails online? Front page baby.
2) Link to any article proposing a bug or flaw with anything Microsoft. Some 15 year old writes a blog saying he thinks the next version of Windows has "a bajillion security holes"? That's not only front page material, you're maybe even looking at duped front page material
3) Paul Graham wrote an article about his flower garden, and how he's a "hacker" for using fertilizer? You know that baby is front page material.
I'm sure i'm missing some others here....
Like Dvorak said....can't you just stick a copyright notice on there? My understanding of copyright law is that your notice is all thats required? I don't think creative commons will embark on a lawsuit for you either if your work is violated?
It does suck that MS likes to stick non standards into their browser, but the Mozilla standard extremists take it a little too far the other way. Despite what the standard says, if Netscape and IE have been doing it for the last 5 years, its a de facto standard and the real standard should be changed. I know there are a couple of things like this, the first one that comes to mind is the "alt" tag, that Mozilla refuses to make behave like it does it other common browsers...I applaud them for sticking to the standard, but they should at least offer a "non compliant" mode.