All this IE won't pass the Acid test on purpose hype is a little out of control. Where that comes from is this article from yesterday where the IE developer says:
our top priority is (and will likely always be) security
First, let's be happy about that. Obviously the more serious problem with IE is the security issues.
He then says:
I want to be clear that our intent is to build a platform that fully complies with the appropriate web standards, in particular CSS 2 ( 2.1, once it's been Recommended).
and further more:
It's pointedly not a compliance test (from the Test Guide: "Acid2 does not guarantee conformance with any specification"
So neither the author nor half of slashdot read anymore then the hyped up Slashdot headline. He specifically says they will be fully compliant and are making that a large issue. Cripes, if you want to have credibility, at least get the real facts straight.
Care to even give an example to back up that statement? No? Ok...I see you have countered my well reasoned arguments (that contained actual facts...and a request for more facts) with a blanket denial and a insightful "Fuck off". Who is the troll again?
Haha!! I'm clueless?? Your just another person regurgitating the same old slashbot crap without giving a single piece of evidence to back it up. Instead you call names and pull out the troll card. All I asked is for ONE fucking example, as I often do when people pull out this "using IE for 10 seconds my computer was infected with spyware!!!!" crap. Could you give one example? No.
It's the sleazier commercial sites that do this. I had a client whose kids constantly go to sports and sports shoes sites; I had another client whose husband constantly goes to "fantasy sports" sites.
In this case I do believe you, as I mentioned "normal" web surfing, ie not going to any "sleazy" sites you will not get spyware. And I guarantee in the case of these kids, they were given an ActiveX prompt that said "Hey want to run a program to track Michael Jordan's 3 pointers!!" and they said "yes".
Spyware PROMPTS TO INSTALL? Are you fucking nuts? The few times I've had spyware, it NEVER prompted me for anything.
Here's where you prove you are really fucking clueless yourself, the ActiveX model, the thing that ALLOWS IE to be infected with spyware requires IE to give a prompt when it wants to run any active content on your computer. Back in the day before IE had a popup blocker I suppose you could have gone to one of those sites with 50 popups and one of them was an activeX dialog. But I believe your original post implied that you just installed a box with IE and XPsp2 and suddenly you were inundated with spyware. XPsp2 goes WAY out of it's way, to the point of being annoying to not let you run ActiveX content. I have to run IE at work (yes i do run firefox at home) and I ran IE for years before that and I've never once gotten spyware. Yes, the ActiveX idea was really stupid on Microsoft's part, though Firefox is not immune to this either, it will probably only be a matter of time before someone figures out how to let sites that are not on the trusted list to install software. It's a stupid option for a browser to have.
All you have to do to get spyware is take IE over to some lame commercial site selling Nike shoes or other sports related crap
Please give an example of one of these sites? I just went to Nike.com with IE, and no spyware was installed nor prompted to be installed? If you mean cookies, Firefox accepts all of those too. Even most mainstream - semi mainstream internet porn sites don't install spyware...anyways please back up your claims and send a few links this way to "normal" sites that try to install spyware.
Another Windows shill who thinks everybody on/. is so stupid they would actually believe someone claiming that IE and ActiveX isn't DIRECTLY responsible for the success of spyware everywhere.
Also i still have yet to see a spyware that doesn't first PROMPT you to install it. Yes, many people are stupid and click yes (evidentily many/. users). So again, examples please. I already have enough hype and hyperbole from folks like you.
Seriously dude, what are you surfing to? You must have gotten that spyware from P2P programs...I've surfed the web for years with non-XP2 IE, and not once been infected with spyware. Spyware doesn't just hide out on Yahoo.com and whateverelse.com, you gotta go out of your way to find some crappy illigitimate site to give you spyware. And even then with non XP2 IE, you still have to say "yes" to run active content.
If he promoted a specific browser and pointed to it's anti-phishing techniques, any users who found sites that avoided those techniques would sue eBay. Corporations can't really take sides in the stupid browser/os battles. Today's secure browser is tommorow's hacking target...better not to have it in writing.
Recently I was trying to convince a woman who is about to open a brothel, to provide blowjobs at no charge. I argued about increased business and royalty and proposed that the infrastructure cost these days is reasonable and the recurring cost, along with the amortized payoff of the initial investment, can be recovered by adding a few cents to each handjob, etc. In spite of the numerous discussions on the merits of free bjs v. paid at coffee shops, restaurants, etc, I was interested in hearing what do you think about the issue and if there are solid examples of successful businesses that offered free blowjobs." If you were going to argue for or against this issue, what arguments would you use?
And as to the suggestion of outsourcing of an entire companies employees due to MS's inability to hire decent ppl and this companies top admin person having an uneducated biased opinion, well, that is just ludicrous.
My suggestion was that if your developers are stupid enough to get spyware installed on their computers...spyware so bad that it costs you to lose $100k in custom built software source code, they deserve to be outsourced, because they are clearly fucking idiots. Spyware doesn't infect IE by it just being on the internet and surfing legitimate sites like Yahoo, Google, Slashdot, etc. This is the reason I have never been infected while running IE. Heck, even my wife who is not extremely computer literate has never gotten infected by spyware/viruses, and she surfs the web a lot. You have to a) go to some shady site that is hosting a spyware launcher , then b) click yes to allow this site to execute active content. But even assuming your developers do such activities, you can turn off both javascript and activeX in IE, making it "just as safe" as Firefox. The point of my original post was that if you have users that are stupid enough to get spyware and viruses installed on their computers, Firefox is not their savior, because Firefox is no more god then any other program, and thus not only has been exploited already, but will continue to be exploited. I consider it an ignorant notion that Linux and Firefox, simply due to the fact that they are not Microsoft makes them more safe.
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Ah 1996 was how long ago? I remember lusting after those 117Mhz.
They left out the potentially coolest feature...
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Since IE is integrated in with the Windows Explorer, it would have been awesome to be able to tab your file system windows in Vista...unfortunately you can't (As far as i can tell). Even though the windows explorer looks just like IE7 (i'm assuming it's using it), it doesn't integrate ENOUGH (maybe this is from their previous legal issues). The new interface is not very intuitive, but like you apologists always say for Google...Its in Beta! Well thats my 2 cents (and a lot of parenthesis).
You seem like the typical person here who assumes Firefox = No security issues past, present and future. IE = Continual threat past, present and future. Yes, IE had/has security holes, but just because Firefox is not IE doesn't mean it will never have security issues either, heck it's already had a whole bunch. The browser really isn't your problem with security. IE can be configured in a way that it is just as safe as a stock Firefox browser. Your company needs to invest in better training for it's employees, virus/spyware detectors, firewalls and IDS's. Your getting mad at a sysadmin/security person for not wanting to blindly trust a browser that is in a 1.x revision. Yes, any new product will have less holes then an existing one. But blindly putting a new piece of software out mearly because of hype is no better then forcing people to run IE.
and also...
"Huge amounts of work had to be discarded"
Because of spyware? This is one of those copy-paste trolls right? Seriously I ran IE for a long ass time and never got any spyware. Your developers are clicking Yes when a random website wants to run an ActiveX script? Any spyware i've ever had came from Kazaa or P2P networks. If the people developing your software are getting their computers infected to the point of throwing away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work, perhaps you should consider outsourcing.
Agreed...it can work as a side business but certainly nothing to quit your day job over. I don't know how many friends have came up to me with the "brilliant" idea of starting a computer repair business. Um, no. PC's are so cheap these days, sometimes its cheaper for people to just buy a new PC then pay someone to fix it. Say you charge $50 an hour...why after only 8 hours of work they could have bought a new Dell. It's alright for a make some money here and there thing, but get into programming or something if you want a real business.
A search bar has been integrated into the same bar as the URL entry box. I expected it to use MSN by default, but it's set to Google. Or maybe that's just on mine?
Mine was set to MSN by default, but I am surprised that Google was a default option
But the majority of teenagers want crap cuz crap is all that is on the radio. Anything played repeditively will gain people liking it. Even though I've hated Nelly and Killers songs at first, once you hear them enough they catch on...I think if Clear Channel played Badly Drawn Boy and Decemberists they would get on MTV too. (Modest Mouse's recent popularity as an example)
I thought Windwaker was one of the best zelda games yet, its extremely fun to play, and even just sailing around in the Windwaker world was fun. A lot of people saw cartoony graphics and got turned off, but really once I started playing, the cartoony graphics made it seem more like the original zelda's I loved so much. I'm actually kind of sad they are going back to the Ocarina of Time format.
I've heard similar things, most people I know have had the PS2 DVD drive break, I dunno if i lucked out or just take good care of mine, but i've had it since 2000 and not a single problem has occured with it.
I love all the people here that are like "well i don't think i'll upgrade because i can use my gameboy emulator, etc, etc...so what if i cant play games". Why did you buy a bloody PSP if you didn't want to play PSP games on it? A PDA would have done all the "extra curricular" things you are doing, and would have been better at it and cost less. I agree these side things are neat add-on's to a video game system, and Sony is a bastard for taking that functionality away, but seriously there is no doubt i'd upgrade my PSP, because the thing is meant for playing games.
Well ok everyone pointed out the typo in the headline, but it's actually fairly correct...because if the PS3 is as expensive as everyone keeps speculating, my PS2 will certainly have a 10 year lifecycle.:P
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Actually, they share a lot of the same images. All the most high res images are mainly from the USGS, and Microsoft and Google are using the exact same images (I looked up my building new Washington DC, and the exact 4 cars are in the parking lot in both). In some cases Microsoft's are newer, in some cases Google (keyhole's) are newer. In a lot of the cases that matter, they are exactly the same.
This kind of legislation works extremely well. Remember the Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics notices on CDs? Since those have been implemented, not a single child has heard a swear word. Rap sales plummetted, and good old fashioned folk music is number one on the charts. One can only be hopefully that this kind of legislation can be enacted on a national level so that we may all go back to playing Centipede and Space Invaders again.
Of course when Yahoo did it, it didn't make Slashdot news. Don't worry, in a couple of month's people will start claiming Yahoo ripped that feature off of Google.
A lot of the Terraserver stuff is still black and white, but actually the color stuff they have looks a lot better then some similar Google stuff. Take a look at Washington DC and zoom in all the way on both. You can see individual air conditioning unit on buildings with Microsoft. Even NSA headquarters in Ft Meade, MD is so clear on the Microsoft one I can tell what each make of car in the parking lot is....actually you can even see...wait, is that....
Except that ESRI partnered with Microsoft to create ArcGIS, I believe an actual Microsoft team even worked on that project (one would hope so with its strong support for VB for Apps). I don't really think they are competitors. If anything Microsoft was competing with MapQuest at the time.
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All this IE won't pass the Acid test on purpose hype is a little out of control. Where that comes from is this article from yesterday where the IE developer says:
our top priority is (and will likely always be) security
First, let's be happy about that. Obviously the more serious problem with IE is the security issues.
He then says:
I want to be clear that our intent is to build a platform that fully complies with the appropriate web standards, in particular CSS 2 ( 2.1, once it's been Recommended).
and further more:
It's pointedly not a compliance test (from the Test Guide: "Acid2 does not guarantee conformance with any specification"
So neither the author nor half of slashdot read anymore then the hyped up Slashdot headline. He specifically says they will be fully compliant and are making that a large issue. Cripes, if you want to have credibility, at least get the real facts straight.
Yes I am a troll...that's mature.
Nothing you've said is even remotely accurate.
Care to even give an example to back up that statement? No? Ok...I see you have countered my well reasoned arguments (that contained actual facts...and a request for more facts) with a blanket denial and a insightful "Fuck off". Who is the troll again?
Haha!! I'm clueless?? Your just another person regurgitating the same old slashbot crap without giving a single piece of evidence to back it up. Instead you call names and pull out the troll card. All I asked is for ONE fucking example, as I often do when people pull out this "using IE for 10 seconds my computer was infected with spyware!!!!" crap. Could you give one example? No.
It's the sleazier commercial sites that do this. I had a client whose kids constantly go to sports and sports shoes sites; I had another client whose husband constantly goes to "fantasy sports" sites.
In this case I do believe you, as I mentioned "normal" web surfing, ie not going to any "sleazy" sites you will not get spyware. And I guarantee in the case of these kids, they were given an ActiveX prompt that said "Hey want to run a program to track Michael Jordan's 3 pointers!!" and they said "yes".
Spyware PROMPTS TO INSTALL? Are you fucking nuts? The few times I've had spyware, it NEVER prompted me for anything.
Here's where you prove you are really fucking clueless yourself, the ActiveX model, the thing that ALLOWS IE to be infected with spyware requires IE to give a prompt when it wants to run any active content on your computer. Back in the day before IE had a popup blocker I suppose you could have gone to one of those sites with 50 popups and one of them was an activeX dialog. But I believe your original post implied that you just installed a box with IE and XPsp2 and suddenly you were inundated with spyware. XPsp2 goes WAY out of it's way, to the point of being annoying to not let you run ActiveX content. I have to run IE at work (yes i do run firefox at home) and I ran IE for years before that and I've never once gotten spyware. Yes, the ActiveX idea was really stupid on Microsoft's part, though Firefox is not immune to this either, it will probably only be a matter of time before someone figures out how to let sites that are not on the trusted list to install software. It's a stupid option for a browser to have.
All you have to do to get spyware is take IE over to some lame commercial site selling Nike shoes or other sports related crap
/. is so stupid they would actually believe someone claiming that IE and ActiveX isn't DIRECTLY responsible for the success of spyware everywhere.
/. users). So again, examples please. I already have enough hype and hyperbole from folks like you.
Please give an example of one of these sites? I just went to Nike.com with IE, and no spyware was installed nor prompted to be installed? If you mean cookies, Firefox accepts all of those too. Even most mainstream - semi mainstream internet porn sites don't install spyware...anyways please back up your claims and send a few links this way to "normal" sites that try to install spyware.
Another Windows shill who thinks everybody on
Also i still have yet to see a spyware that doesn't first PROMPT you to install it. Yes, many people are stupid and click yes (evidentily many
Seriously dude, what are you surfing to? You must have gotten that spyware from P2P programs...I've surfed the web for years with non-XP2 IE, and not once been infected with spyware. Spyware doesn't just hide out on Yahoo.com and whateverelse.com, you gotta go out of your way to find some crappy illigitimate site to give you spyware. And even then with non XP2 IE, you still have to say "yes" to run active content.
If he promoted a specific browser and pointed to it's anti-phishing techniques, any users who found sites that avoided those techniques would sue eBay. Corporations can't really take sides in the stupid browser/os battles. Today's secure browser is tommorow's hacking target...better not to have it in writing.
Recently I was trying to convince a woman who is about to open a brothel, to provide blowjobs at no charge. I argued about increased business and royalty and proposed that the infrastructure cost these days is reasonable and the recurring cost, along with the amortized payoff of the initial investment, can be recovered by adding a few cents to each handjob, etc. In spite of the numerous discussions on the merits of free bjs v. paid at coffee shops, restaurants, etc, I was interested in hearing what do you think about the issue and if there are solid examples of successful businesses that offered free blowjobs." If you were going to argue for or against this issue, what arguments would you use?
And as to the suggestion of outsourcing of an entire companies employees due to MS's inability to hire decent ppl and this companies top admin person having an uneducated biased opinion, well, that is just ludicrous.
My suggestion was that if your developers are stupid enough to get spyware installed on their computers...spyware so bad that it costs you to lose $100k in custom built software source code, they deserve to be outsourced, because they are clearly fucking idiots. Spyware doesn't infect IE by it just being on the internet and surfing legitimate sites like Yahoo, Google, Slashdot, etc. This is the reason I have never been infected while running IE. Heck, even my wife who is not extremely computer literate has never gotten infected by spyware/viruses, and she surfs the web a lot. You have to a) go to some shady site that is hosting a spyware launcher , then b) click yes to allow this site to execute active content. But even assuming your developers do such activities, you can turn off both javascript and activeX in IE, making it "just as safe" as Firefox. The point of my original post was that if you have users that are stupid enough to get spyware and viruses installed on their computers, Firefox is not their savior, because Firefox is no more god then any other program, and thus not only has been exploited already, but will continue to be exploited. I consider it an ignorant notion that Linux and Firefox, simply due to the fact that they are not Microsoft makes them more safe.
From Apple.com circa 1996:
New PowerBook Family
Addressing the needs of customers in small offices, home offices, business and education, Apple announced the Macintosh PowerBook 1400 series, combining 117MHz PowerPC speed with a removable CD-ROM drive and expansion options.
Ah 1996 was how long ago? I remember lusting after those 117Mhz.
Since IE is integrated in with the Windows Explorer, it would have been awesome to be able to tab your file system windows in Vista...unfortunately you can't (As far as i can tell). Even though the windows explorer looks just like IE7 (i'm assuming it's using it), it doesn't integrate ENOUGH (maybe this is from their previous legal issues). The new interface is not very intuitive, but like you apologists always say for Google...Its in Beta! Well thats my 2 cents (and a lot of parenthesis).
You seem like the typical person here who assumes Firefox = No security issues past, present and future. IE = Continual threat past, present and future. Yes, IE had/has security holes, but just because Firefox is not IE doesn't mean it will never have security issues either, heck it's already had a whole bunch. The browser really isn't your problem with security. IE can be configured in a way that it is just as safe as a stock Firefox browser. Your company needs to invest in better training for it's employees, virus/spyware detectors, firewalls and IDS's. Your getting mad at a sysadmin/security person for not wanting to blindly trust a browser that is in a 1.x revision. Yes, any new product will have less holes then an existing one. But blindly putting a new piece of software out mearly because of hype is no better then forcing people to run IE.
and also...
"Huge amounts of work had to be discarded"
Because of spyware? This is one of those copy-paste trolls right? Seriously I ran IE for a long ass time and never got any spyware. Your developers are clicking Yes when a random website wants to run an ActiveX script? Any spyware i've ever had came from Kazaa or P2P networks. If the people developing your software are getting their computers infected to the point of throwing away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work, perhaps you should consider outsourcing.
Have you considered switching him to AIM Mail instead? It's free and probably closer to the AOL experience.
Agreed...it can work as a side business but certainly nothing to quit your day job over. I don't know how many friends have came up to me with the "brilliant" idea of starting a computer repair business. Um, no. PC's are so cheap these days, sometimes its cheaper for people to just buy a new PC then pay someone to fix it. Say you charge $50 an hour...why after only 8 hours of work they could have bought a new Dell. It's alright for a make some money here and there thing, but get into programming or something if you want a real business.
A search bar has been integrated into the same bar as the URL entry box. I expected it to use MSN by default, but it's set to Google. Or maybe that's just on mine?
Mine was set to MSN by default, but I am surprised that Google was a default option
But the majority of teenagers want crap cuz crap is all that is on the radio. Anything played repeditively will gain people liking it. Even though I've hated Nelly and Killers songs at first, once you hear them enough they catch on...I think if Clear Channel played Badly Drawn Boy and Decemberists they would get on MTV too. (Modest Mouse's recent popularity as an example)
I thought Windwaker was one of the best zelda games yet, its extremely fun to play, and even just sailing around in the Windwaker world was fun. A lot of people saw cartoony graphics and got turned off, but really once I started playing, the cartoony graphics made it seem more like the original zelda's I loved so much. I'm actually kind of sad they are going back to the Ocarina of Time format.
I've heard similar things, most people I know have had the PS2 DVD drive break, I dunno if i lucked out or just take good care of mine, but i've had it since 2000 and not a single problem has occured with it.
I love all the people here that are like "well i don't think i'll upgrade because i can use my gameboy emulator, etc, etc...so what if i cant play games". Why did you buy a bloody PSP if you didn't want to play PSP games on it? A PDA would have done all the "extra curricular" things you are doing, and would have been better at it and cost less. I agree these side things are neat add-on's to a video game system, and Sony is a bastard for taking that functionality away, but seriously there is no doubt i'd upgrade my PSP, because the thing is meant for playing games.
PS2 to Have 10 Year Lifecycle, PS3 Not Cheap
:P
Well ok everyone pointed out the typo in the headline, but it's actually fairly correct...because if the PS3 is as expensive as everyone keeps speculating, my PS2 will certainly have a 10 year lifecycle.
Welcome to Crazy Ivan's Russian Experience!!! Everything is for sale, all offers considered!!!
Please choose one of the following from our "Government for sale" programs:
1) Drive a t-37 tank - $50,000
2) Fly a MiG - $200,000
3) Pilot Nuclear Submarine - $1,000,000
4) Fly to IIS - $20,000,000
5) Fly to Moon - $100,000,000
6) Kill a Chechnian - $50
7) Preside over Duma for a day - $10,000
Or anything else you want to do! Just name it and we'll stick a price on it.
Actually, they share a lot of the same images. All the most high res images are mainly from the USGS, and Microsoft and Google are using the exact same images (I looked up my building new Washington DC, and the exact 4 cars are in the parking lot in both). In some cases Microsoft's are newer, in some cases Google (keyhole's) are newer. In a lot of the cases that matter, they are exactly the same.
This kind of legislation works extremely well. Remember the Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics notices on CDs? Since those have been implemented, not a single child has heard a swear word. Rap sales plummetted, and good old fashioned folk music is number one on the charts. One can only be hopefully that this kind of legislation can be enacted on a national level so that we may all go back to playing Centipede and Space Invaders again.
Of course when Yahoo did it, it didn't make Slashdot news. Don't worry, in a couple of month's people will start claiming Yahoo ripped that feature off of Google.
A lot of the Terraserver stuff is still black and white, but actually the color stuff they have looks a lot better then some similar Google stuff. Take a look at Washington DC and zoom in all the way on both. You can see individual air conditioning unit on buildings with Microsoft. Even NSA headquarters in Ft Meade, MD is so clear on the Microsoft one I can tell what each make of car in the parking lot is....actually you can even see...wait, is that....
Except that ESRI partnered with Microsoft to create ArcGIS, I believe an actual Microsoft team even worked on that project (one would hope so with its strong support for VB for Apps). I don't really think they are competitors. If anything Microsoft was competing with MapQuest at the time.