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Google Launches Scholar Beta

Jaidev writes "'Stand on the shoulders of giants' is what Google claims its new service allows you to do. Google Scholar enables you to search specifically for scholarly literature, including peer-reviewed papers, theses, books, preprints, abstracts and technical reports from all broad areas of research. Use Google Scholar to find articles from a wide variety of academic publishers, professional societies, preprint repositories and universities, as well as scholarly articles available across the web."

158 comments

  1. Dupe/old news by frazzydee · · Score: 5, Funny

    A typo seen in the first character?! CoyboyNeal, this must be a record!

    Oh, and maybe this was a dream, but wasn't Google Scholar launched a long time ago? Nope, wasn't a dream: this entry in the google blog (dated October 18th 2004) announces the launch of the beta version. Although scholar is still in beta, surely it shouldn't be referred to as google's "new" service. This story is also (needless to say) a Dupe.

    1. Re:Dupe/old news by jZnat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Give him a break. Haven't you noticed the recent /. fad is to announce every little thing Google does? If there hasn't been a story about what they're doing in at least 12 hours, a dupe is posted instead.

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    2. Re:Dupe/old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      maybe this was a dream

      You get that feeling too? The only reason I keep coming here is the consistent stream of dupes coupled with my poor memory constantly spins me out. It's like being stoned.

    3. Re:Dupe/old news by Buran · · Score: 1

      I've been using Scholar, from the science lab I work in, for many months. So yeah, it's not news ... even I was surprised at the long wait. It'd be news if it were out of beta, but it's not.

      It works pretty well and it easily shows how many times a paper has been cited (which is sometimes just fluff but often a hint at how influential a given paper is) and also has an article linker for the university I work for (WUSTL).

    4. Re:Dupe/old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News for Nerds. Reminders that matter.

    5. Re:Dupe/old news by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      CoyboyNeal

      Ahem. Pots who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at the kettle they're calling black.

    6. Re:Dupe/old news by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      Stupid italics close tag. And I had even checked for typos before hitting submit...

    7. Re:Dupe/old news by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Stoned?

      Why stop at that?

      Go for the LSD high and visit:

      http://bsd.slashdot.org/
      http://developers.slashdot.org/
      http://linux.slashdot.org/
      http://apache.slashdot.org/
      http://it.slashdot.org/

      http://games.slashdot.org/

      And you'll think your straight trippin!

      Who ever came up with those designs probably was?

      And people think my webpages are ugly!

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    8. Re:Dupe/old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if this is why Google has ignored "-site:.com" for about the last 6 months...

  2. homework solved! by intmainvoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should have just cut to the chase and called it Google Homework.

    1. Re:homework solved! by hoka · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't see why they should. I've had a significant amount of luck using it before for gathering work for research papers and upper division writing classes (Comp Sci ones that is). I've also used it a bit in my offtime to look for some cool things, though I havn't had much luck in that regard.

    2. Re:homework solved! by Triple+Click · · Score: 1

      You should give Citeseer a try for Comp Sci papers.

    3. Re:homework solved! by Buran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd like to see your average grade school or college kid make use of the sort of thing Google Scholar is aimed at. This is high-level research paper work it's aimed at (many of its results are papers from scholarly journals) and while "homework" may occasionally refer them, I'd say that's a little out of the "homework" league ...

    4. Re:homework solved! by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      And arXiv -- but you've got to be careful there since new papers are preprints. You'll have to separate the wheat from the chaff yourself.

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    5. Re:homework solved! by poopdeville · · Score: 1
      Stupid URLs...

      http://xxx.lanl.gov/

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  3. Been using it for a year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, I've been using this for a while.

  4. Is their a reason that this is new? by daviq · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Because back in January I used it to do research for a paper.

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    1. Re:Is their a reason that this is new? by V_Pundit · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking. I have used Google Scholar many times starting almost a year ago. It was in beta then and it's still in beta now so what's changed?

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    2. Re:Is their a reason that this is new? by Radak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is their a reason that this is new? Because back in January I used it to do research for a paper.

      Obviously not an English paper.

    3. Re:Is their a reason that this is new? by miknight · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I used it back in March on the advice of my supervisor, who had obviously already been using it prior to me.

  5. #oldnews. by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thank you for posting this informative information, next would you mind running a story on google maps, google news, and maybe google firefox toolbar?

    I can't believe these people are making more money than I am.

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    1. Re:#oldnews. by Betelgeuse · · Score: 1

      Wait! Wait! Wait!

      I have a piece of news, too. I want to tell everyone about "teh internet" and the best way I know how to search on it.

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  6. Intriguing. by millennial · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One problem with standing on the shoulders of giants:
    You have to figure out how to climb them first.
    Seriously, though, this seems like what the internet was meant to be, back in "the day." IIRC, the 'net started out as an joint initiative involving the government and several academic institutions as a means of creating a repository of knowledge. I'm glad Google is getting into this game, since they seem to have a pretty solid search method figured out. Besides, it could certainly make researching for my thesis a bit easier.

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    1. Re:Intriguing. by snarkh · · Score: 2, Funny
      One problem with standing on the shoulders of giants: You have to figure out how to climb them

      Simple -- run them into the ground first.

    2. Re:Intriguing. by hazem · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The other thing about the "standing on the shoulders of giants" is that many believe that Newton was being mean-spirited when he said it, rather than visionary in his views of the source of his brilliance.

      "Science: A History 1534-2001" by John Gribbin which suggests that his comment was in fact a barely disguised personal attack. It written in a letter to a scientific competitor, Robert Hooke, who had complained, correctly, that Newton was not giving him proper credit for his discoveries. Newton's response that he had seen further by "standing on the shoulders of Giants" was intended to rule out Hooke, who was famously short and hunchbacked. This is not 100% accepted history but it does seem to fit in with Newton's general demenour and behaviour.

      It's a great saying, nonetheless.

    3. Re:Intriguing. by millennial · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that standing on a giant's shoulders would be annoying to the giant.
      Newton just got bumped up a notch for me.

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  7. This is news? by DosBubba · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google Scholar was launched 11/18/04.

    1. Re:This is news? by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Funny

      Americans win independence!
      Posted by CowboyNeal on Saturday July 23, @12:53PM
      from the take-that-British dept.
      GWashington writes ";Finally, after too many battles to count, we have won our independence." What does this mean for our privacy? Will the new government be too invasive?

    2. Re:This is news? by revery · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your story also differs in that it might actually provoke an insteresting discussion...

    3. Re:This is news? by 54M5UNG · · Score: 1

      I am SO sorry for this, but noone else seems to have done it.
      I, for one, welcome our new colonial overlords.

    4. Re:This is news? by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

      No one did it because it's not funny at all. Also, "noone" isn't a word.

    5. Re:This is news? by hey · · Score: 1

      Gawd do I hate NN/NN/NN dates!!!
      I *think* you mean 2004-Nov-18 but I can't be sure.

    6. Re:This is news? by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      Dinosaurs go extinct!
      Posted by CaveboyNeal on Monday July 25, @03:42PM
      from the is-your-pet-dinosaur-vaccinated? dept.
      Ook writes ";Scientists confirm it - dinosaurs are dying! Dinosaur counts are at an all time low, and although Netcraft hasn't commented on the issue yet, it seems likely that they are gone for good." Update by T: readers point out that we meant woolly mammoths, and not dinosaurs; but with the dinosaurs extinct already, this article isn't exactly wrong, is it?

  8. Neat. by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Professors don't like it when I use multiple Wikipedia references...

    1. Re:Neat. by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Many wiki articles cite the sources they use. Why not refer to the original instead of wiki? Often those sources will give you much more information than the wiki.

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    2. Re:Neat. by trygstad · · Score: 1

      You can use all the Wikipedia references you want in our classes: http://www.itm.iit.edu/!

    3. Re:Neat. by agent+dero · · Score: 1

      Because it was a joke... :-P

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    4. Re:Neat. by Ibag · · Score: 1

      Because if you were using the wiki and not the sources that the wiki cites, it would be slightly unethicacl to say otherwise. And if you didn't use the original sources, how do you know which facts came from which source? Most likely, not all the sources are original anyways, but books or articles with their own references. Should you trace everything back to the original?

    5. Re:Neat. by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Novel idea: You'd actually go read the sources. No, you can't quite get back to the beginning in most cases, but the level of scholarship you are after determines how far back you'd trace.

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    6. Re:Neat. by thedustbustr · · Score: 1

      its no joke... I had a professor who disliked wikipedia too...
      wikis produce accurate information only in the long run, and many entries are new in the last year, and there probably are innacuracies.
      Of course he never had a problem if you cited other sources to confirm the wiki

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    7. Re:Neat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. If by "many" you mean "very few". The majority of Wikipedia articles, as far as I have seen, simply have links to other sites about the topic. These hardly qualify as citations. A much smaller set of articles has actual cited references, which are generally organized into a formal "references" section.

    8. Re:Neat. by Ibag · · Score: 1

      Yes, the level of scholarship you're after determines how fra back you should go, but if you are a student, it is not only not generally necessary, but often difficult to track down original sources. If a book or paper is not available at your library, or if you don't have the time to read 15 different papers on a topic for a small report, you are out of luck.

      And if you cite the source without reading it (which is what I think was implied in ggp), that seems every so slightly unethical.

    9. Re:Neat. by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      And if you cite the source without reading it (which is what I think was implied in ggp), that seems every so slightly unethical.

      That wasn't what I meant.... unless, of course, you work for the New York Times...

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  9. Holy Dupes Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been live as a Beta for more than a few months, and has been discussed on Slashdot a couple of times.

    and 1st post!

  10. New? by 4lex · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Really?

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  11. Is this news? by geighaus · · Score: 3, Informative

    The service has been around at least for a year. What exactly has been added to it now?

    1. Re:Is this news? by BazDM · · Score: 1

      Nothing is new. Add an 's' to that and then apply it to every post on Slashdot.

  12. Slashdot launches a dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google Keyhole, Google Scholar from November. Daddypants? Ignored!

  13. Research edge by fugginsuds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does it not bother anyone but me that this will give Google a monstrous research edge, as they will be able to determine trend data, as well as searches that have no results, meaning items that have not yet been researched or published. I find this extremely disturbing that a company can do that.

    1. Re:Research edge by Livn4Golf · · Score: 3, Funny

      This might be a page for you to check out:

      http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=tin+foil+hat

    2. Re:Research edge by 834r9394557r011 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      oohh nooo, they may be able to find out what needs to be learned. Wouldn't you think its better to find out sooner about something that needs to be reaserched and understood, to have more time to reaserch it. well not more time really, but just being able to find out about it now rather than in two years is great. that means we reap the benefits of it sooner.

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    3. Re:Research edge by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
      this will give Google a monstrous research edge, as they will be able to determine trend data, as well as searches that have no results, meaning items that have not yet been researched or published

      There goes my secret FTL drive.

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    4. Re:Research edge by 0xC0FFEE · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nah, CiteSeer is still THE resource for Computer Science related papers. And it's sponsored (in part) my Microsoft Research (where has NEC gone?). So we have a nice healthy competition going on. yay!

    5. Re:Research edge by RWerp · · Score: 1

      Google can do it only if it provides a service useful enough for people to feed it with the data you claim they 'disturbingly' collect. If you don't want to feed them this data, don't use Google scholar. There are other options, also online, many of them need to be paid for (and Google is free).

      It's as simple as that.

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    6. Re:Research edge by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. Google Scholar finds far more CompSci papers than CiteSeer does, and 90% of the time you can find a better result just searching ACM portal.

    7. Re:Research edge by spockvariant · · Score: 1

      Well, to be honest most of the time it's hard enough to figure out where exactly trends are leading and what's the best problem/method combination to try next even if you're a researcher plum in the middle of an area, and have all the data and insight required. It would be quite a hard bet to get anywhere close with keyword-oriented statistical analysis:)

    8. Re:Research edge by 0xC0FFEE · · Score: 1
      CiteSeer is a lot more complete. For instance, you can naviguate citations, finding papers citing a given papers. You can easily find related papers, see other papers by given authors, see citation frequency graphs. It's simply a more natural interface for "surfing" the litterature. It contains a cache for most articles in .ps and .pdf, a link to the authors home pages. Frankly, Scholar is little more than a subset of the whole Google restricted to research.

      As for the ACM, you must be a paying member or have your university buy it for you, to access the content (same thing for IEEE). I'm not making judgement on the content as it is probably of a higher quality than average. But I'd rather pull the .ps for free and print it locally than pay/head to the library. I know TANSTAAFL but still.

    9. Re:Research edge by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      I agree. Citeseer was invaluable to me when I was doing my final thesis. Contrary to scholar.google.com, which returns mostly links to pay to view sites, it returns those and many more links. The UI is also superior as you said.

    10. Re:Research edge by John.Thompson · · Score: 1

      Perhaps so, but google scholar covers much more than just comp sci research. I've been using it for months already for health care related acedemic research.

    11. Re:Research edge by Donny+Smith · · Score: 1

      I still wonder, sometimes, if the same happens with domain registrars.
      If it were true, it'd still be harmless for most of us - that is, if you think you're smarter than most, yes, then it'd be dangerous for you!

    12. Re:Research edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the ACM and IEEE archives are far better than CiteSeer for CS papers. CiteSeer often gets the reference wrong, or does not have the bibtex entry at all.

      CiteSeer could be great, but they're sleeping on their laurels.

    13. Re:Research edge by jabbo · · Score: 1

      CiteSeer was the previous work of a current Google employee. That was what he was up to *prior* to starting at Google. There is absolutely no reason why they cannot improve upon it now, with their massively larger corpus and massively more responsive CPU farm.

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  14. Dupe aside by mfloy · · Score: 1, Informative

    This service has been out for a long time, but dupe aside, it is a very useful site. Academically, it allows you to search journal articles without having to sift through all of the other junk generated with a standard Google search. I am a big fan of this site and I use it quite often.

    1. Re:Dupe aside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, when I search for Bettie Page, do I get the images with Bettie Page wearing glasses?

  15. Since we're digging up old Google stories... by Smitedogg · · Score: 3, Funny

    In related news, Google announced today that they're going to hold their IPO.

    1. Re:Since we're digging up old Google stories... by Tezkah · · Score: 1

      Are they not also working on a "search engine"? Or is that just rumours at this point?

  16. The Y2K5 bug? by kopo · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Google Scholar has been around, in beta, since November 2004. /. Where old news is good news.

  17. Not ready? by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This previous article claims that Google Scholar was inferior compared to other services like Highwire. Has it been changed much in the last month, or is it still not as good as it could be?

    Yes, I realize that it's still in "beta", but "beta" may as well mean "v1.0" to google.

    1. Re:Not ready? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has it been changed much in the last month, or is it still not as good as it could be?

      I've noticed that the quality Scholar's search results has significantly improved over the last few months. Also, the provision of citation links is also very helpful.

      Of course, if you don't have a subscription to ACM, IEEE etc., it's still of limited use.

    2. Re:Not ready? by cdills · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This has been discussed at length before, but the determination of the /. crowd was that though Scholar and things like Highwire profess to "do the same thing", they don't.

      Highwire allows you to search for articles in catagories, published on certain dates, regarding certain topics. It's a classic database search engine, where the database contains simple information about articles. Scholar is a FULL TEXT search engine.

      If you want to find all the articles that relate to Penguin migration patterns, use Highwire.

      If you want to find a good example of where someone uses the XYZ method to support thier paper and you don't care about the subject, use Scholar.

      They are both tools, and should only be viewed as such.

    3. Re:Not ready? by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      They are both tools

      Takes one to know one!

      oooo BRUNNNED!

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    4. Re:Not ready? by QuaZar666 · · Score: 1

      I am honestly suprised that Google's homepage doesn't say beta. Everything else does, be it news, groups, mail, Scholar, Froogle, maps, etc, etc.

      It doesn't matter to me much, and I sorta understand Google's thinking of not wanting to remove it from beta.

    5. Re:Not ready? by epugachev · · Score: 1, Informative

      Note also that the content is different. Google Scholar tries to include as many sources as possible, whereas Highwire's portal AFAIK searches only those journals hosted by Highwire Press.

      By pointing this out I don't mean to denigrate Highwire. Rather, they publish a lot of journals that are important (to me) and they do a really good job of making online journals easy to use, unlike some other publishers. However, I, along with most biomedical types, almost always start my searches with PubMed. And the (not free) Web of Science is very useful at times too.

  18. great.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    2 months after i'm out of school

  19. Is it not been live for months already? by jberends · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have been using this service for over half a year now, as long as it is integrated in my Firefox toolbar (The way I found out). What is the fuzz about it? Why is it on /.? Actually is it really helpfull to find the 'meaningfull' papers (# of citations) in most subjects as a starting point for research. But it cannot beat to search through, and compare references of papers in a subject.

  20. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    next, google runs for president.
    they are taking over the world I tell you!

  21. It helped me scoop a NIJ paper by scupper · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just used Scholar this morning looking for an abstract from the American Society of Criminology's "CRIMINOLOGY & Public Policy" journal.

    The original abstract:
    "Trajectories of Crime at Places: A Longitudinal Study of Street Segments in the City of Seattle"
    Criminology & Public Policy, American Society of Criminology
    Vol. 42 (2), May 2004, pp.283-322.
    David Weisburd, Shawn Bushway, Cynthia Lum, Sue-Ming Yang


    Yielded this from Google Scholar:

    THE CRIMINAL CAREERS OF PLACES: A LONGITUDINAL STUDY
    http://scholar.google.com/url?sa=U&q=http://www.nc jrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/grants/207824.pdf
    David Weisburd, Ph.D. Principal Investigator University of Maryland, College Park & The Hebrew University, Jerusalem Cynthia Lum, Ph.D. Project Director Northeastern University, Boston Sue-Ming Yang, M.A. Research Assistant University of Maryland, College Park
    July 31, 2004
    National Institute of Justice, DOJ

    A subsequent NIJ grant funded report based on the abstract I was looking for.

    1. Re:It helped me scoop a NIJ paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Um... no one cares.

    2. Re:It helped me scoop a NIJ paper by ayin-zayin-aleph-zay · · Score: 1

      You should care about trajectories. You really should. Can't be two places at once.

  22. Talk about old news... by Dink+Paisy · · Score: 1, Informative
    We've already heard a lot about Google Scholar right here:

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/15/144723 2&from=rss Google Scholar sucks because it can't count accurately, and it does a crappy job of searching by date, and it doesn't consider variations on names.

    http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/11/19 24254&tid=217&tid=123&tid=146 The American Chemical Society (maker of SciFinder Scholar) sues Google over Google Scholar.

    http://slashdot.org/articles/04/11/18/1317241.shtm l?tid=217&tid=188 Google Scholar. It exists.

    Sounds to me like that last one makes this story a dupe, unless Google Scholar has gone from release back to beta in the meantime. Given the first article, that may be the case.

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  23. In other news... by rbarreira · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google beta launched! New search engine which promises to organized the world's information neatly. You can find it here.

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  24. in related news.. by ashot · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Google today also launched World Wide Web Search Beta, which Google claims allows you to search over 8 billion web pages and provides more relevant results based on their new PageRank algorithm.

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  25. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is probably the worst example of editing I've seen on Slashdot yet. Not only is the story a dupe (I've been using Google Scholar for ages), but there is a spelling mistake on the first character. Does Slashdot have the ability to delete stories by any chance?

  26. Old news? by Quixote · · Score: 2, Interesting
    As others have mentioned, this is old news. This begs the question: is there something special going on between Google and Slashdot? In other words, is there some sort of payola involved?? Just like Roland Pipequaille(?), it is strange how even the smallest Google stories make it into Slashdot.

    I think the Slashdot editors/owners should come out and tell us (the paying customers) if this is indeed the case.

    1. Re:Old news? by gatzke · · Score: 1


      No, I doubt the conspiracy theory. CowboyNeal is just a little slow. That I believe.

      Dupes happen here almost every day.

      PS- bring back the CowboyNeal option on polls, new polls suck.

  27. Famous (and not so famous) quotes by The+Real+Nem · · Score: 5, Funny

    "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants."
    - Isaac Newton

    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
    - Hal Abelson

    "In computer science, we stand on each other's feet."
    - Brian Reid

    1. Re:Famous (and not so famous) quotes by wwwrench · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants."
      - Isaac Newton

      Somthing interesting about Newton's quote -- it is usually taken as a really modest statement about Newton's contributions and the nature of research. In fact, it was mostly intended as an insult to his rival Robert Hooke, who was practically a midget!

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    2. Re:Famous (and not so famous) quotes by the_one_smiley · · Score: 1

      "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was surrounded by midgets."
      - Murray Gell-Mann

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    3. Re:Famous (and not so famous) quotes by Sandmann · · Score: 1

      "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because I was standing in the footprints of giants"

  28. Hey dude, that's nothing... by mrRay720 · · Score: 3, Funny

    the REAL news is that Google have just released a search engine!

    Anyway, I'm off to try out the new beta of Windows 95...

    1. Re:Hey dude, that's nothing... by kgruscho · · Score: 1

      insightful?
      funny, err maybe, but insightful?

  29. Nice Idea But... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    Nice idea, but the very first site I tried told me on my first attempt that I was blocked. Too many requests from my IP address. Sort of a if requests > 0 then block_user.

    Fine, maybe my cable ISP is using a proxy, but it leads me to wonder of these sites which have lived in quiet scholorly isolation until now are up to being Googled.

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    1. Re:Nice Idea But... by RWerp · · Score: 1

      Many journals expect you to pay for viewing their content. Yes, I also think paying $20 for one article is extortion.

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  30. Wake me when it goes live by fuzzy12345 · · Score: 1
    Is this like groups.google.com, which automatically redirects to groups-beta...? If they don't feel they're ready for prime-time, why should anyone be shilling for them to become part of my workflow?

    Back when *I* was a lad, betas were inflicted on small percentages of the final end-user market, not broadly marketed to everyone with 'beta' serving as a mere disclaimer and caveat. Google in particular, seems to have never ending betas of everything. If it's labelled untested, not to be relied upon and subject to change, just wake me when it's done, OK?

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  31. Katz by pamri · · Score: 2, Interesting
  32. Ah, wonderful, by rsynnott · · Score: 0

    A new way for the chronically stupid to obtain degrees enabling them to build bridges.

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    1. Re:Ah, wonderful, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This just means more dopey student passing off other people's work as their own for me. Hint guys, it is always obvious when you start out writing TXT MSG English and then jump to perfect American for a couple of paragraphs!

  33. Corollary by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
    If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders.
    -- Hal Abelson
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    1. Re:Corollary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is obviously redundant. Will someone please mod it down, instead of up?

  34. unfortunately, not up-2-date by vlad_petric · · Score: 2, Informative
    My very strong impression is that they did a crawling when they started it, and just stayed with that database.

    I'm unable to find stuff published in my field this year with google scholar (including 2 of my papers).

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    1. Re:unfortunately, not up-2-date by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      Yup. I had a paper published in a reputable journal around January that doesn't show up. (The copy on my web site shows up but not the official journal web page.)

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    2. Re:unfortunately, not up-2-date by gesly · · Score: 1

      hmm...I found papers from a May 2005 conference for a topic I was searching for, but not papers appearing in an upcoming august conference!! (but then even ACM search did not turn up anything for me!!) So i guess, its not "very" uptodate, but deserves due credit!

  35. Google it.. by duniyadnd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Google about Google Scholar to find out when it was released before posting it... remember.. Google Search came out only a week ago, and is still relatively new and can help you find information on the net.

  36. Next week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google co-founder caught masturbating in employee lounge!

  37. This is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There should be a system where people can moderate which articles get accepted. This just sucks. Google scholar is like 15 months old. News generally entails NEW happenings.

  38. History of the WWW by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

    Invented at CERN... which is where I'll hopefully be working in another few years :) http://www.hitmill.com/internet/web_history.html

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  39. Re:UK cops summarily execute an innocent man by rsynnott · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    But did they use a text from Google Scholar on how best to shoot people? If not, then it's off topic. And 'execution' is death meted out by due process. This is either murder or killed while resisting arrest.

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  40. It's the Citations, Stupid! by backlonthethird · · Score: 4, Informative

    This still doesn't hold a candle to a good university library site. Finding good academic articles is still all about context context context. You need to know what journals you want, what authors aren't crackpots, etc ec. My own university's library system (U of Minnesota), www.lib.umn.edu, has great research guides to help provide that context.

    As an example, A Google Scholar search for Kafka doens't have the sort of literary references I'm looking for until the third page. Is it just that scientific articles are more likely the be available on the web?

    One very good thing about Google Scholar is that it specifically searches references. This is an advance, and further work on the engine should be in this direction (I'm thinking a visual web of articles). The first thing you do when you find a halfway decent article is check out its references and then go and grab those, *especially* if more than one article references something. It's often hard to know what the really important watershed articles and books are in a given subject when you're new to it (again with the context). A quick, visual chart or web of articles and the articles they reference would be awesome for figuring that out. Something like their score for web pages but based solely on references. This is already how it works (hits are sorted by the number of articles that have cited them), but it sure would be nice to be able to, say, check articles that fit your search genre and uncheck those that don't. I could then uncheck the scientific articles and watch the literary ones move up on my search.

    Rambling now. Done now

  41. Old News by WatcherXP · · Score: 0

    Um, this has been running over a year now.

    How is this news today?

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  42. Not News by The+Woodworker · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Google launches cool new web software. Not news.
    It's beta. Not news.

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    1. Re:Not News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google hasn't launched cool new web software. Not news. It's still beta. Not news.

  43. Useless? by insomnio · · Score: 1

    Wouldnt the target crowd for scholar already have access to JSTOR, Academic Search Premier, LexisNexis, ect? All of these have full text, which is much more useful than a citation. I tried using it once or twice, not much good came out of it.

    1. Re:Useless? by suchire · · Score: 1

      I use Google Scholar a lot for chemistry searches, just because it's a helluva lot faster and easier to use than Scifinder Scholar or Beilstein, even though the latter two are a bit more comprehensive. Google's apparently done some sort of arrangement with my university, because I can access fulltext through Scholar searches itself, which is immensely useful.

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    2. Re:Useless? by epugachev · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Most likely the your university has a license for the content and the journal websites simply allow you to access the full text as long as you are connecting from an IP within your university's IP block. I doubt Google has made any special arrangements.

      However, some journals do seem to handle access control by looking at the referring URL. Those are the journal websites I hate, as I can't bookmark the sites themselves but have to click through from another site (usually in the library catalog) every time.

  44. geez another (old) beta by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    How much of google's offerings aren't in beta?

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  45. #newnews by ccozan · · Score: 0, Redundant

    what about http://moon.google.com/ ? I haven't seen it here on /. yet....

    1. Re:#newnews by pswayze · · Score: 1

      The whole moon thing happened here awhile ago, though depending on who you ask it may have all been an elaborate hoax.

    2. Re:#newnews by Momoru · · Score: 1

      It was, just earlier this week....don't worry nothing Google posts in it's blog is missed here.

  46. Crap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's totaly useless unless there is an option to only find ps/pdf files/downloadable ebooks or html files that contains an unusual large amount of "=".

  47. Follow the money. by RKBA · · Score: 1
    This is high-level research paper work it's aimed at ...

    The only results I've gotten from Google Scholar are links to ACM publications that require a $100/year subscription fee to access. Hopefully, Google Scholar has improved since then.

    1. Re:Follow the money. by Buran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't read a lot of the links from home but can if I'm on campus, which has a sitewide read license for many journals. I think Google Scholar is meant for researchers' use (like my lab's) more than it is the general public.

      it IS annoying, however. Take a look at the Public Library of Science http://www.plos.org/ for an organization that believes in open access for everyone. I'm hoping that takes off.

  48. Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Funny how many people in this thread commented on this story without appearing to know that Google Scholar has already been available for ages. Just goes to show that this site main target group is really 13 year old 1337 dudes, as anyone seriously interested in computer science (or, for that matter, any other research subject) uses Google Scholar almost on a daily basis.

    And don't even get me started on the editor not knowing about it either...

    1. Re:Funny by erunaheru · · Score: 1

      Actually more of the thread was about that than about scholar itself.

  49. a new search engine called Google! by thelost · · Score: 1

    Today in other news a fresh new search engine is wowing all comers with it's simple design and elegant solution to searching the web. I hope someone submits a story about this new fangled search engine to /., people need to know about google, it's tremendous. dupolicious.

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  50. Geez by Mike+Savior · · Score: 1

    As much as I love Google, I'm so tired of hearing about every little movement the company makes. They just happen to do good services, it's not like they NEED this constant media coverage when there's more important stuff to check in the headlines.

    Hold on a sec, my "Google" google alerts just made their way into my inbox, time to check..

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  51. If only I'd been paying attention by cmcguffin · · Score: 1

    Oh, what might have been...

  52. Proper citations by roffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And when is scholar.google.com going to support exporting to BibTeX-style citations?

    Huh? Huh? Huh!?

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    1. Re:Proper citations by bps7j · · Score: 1
      And when is scholar.google.com going to support exporting to BibTeX-style citations?

      roffe, please do NOT bang or tap on the glass. You will disturb the MS-Word-using animals.

  53. Google Wanking by K-Man · · Score: 1

    The practice of hyping up every single event involving Google, or, in the absence of news, slight changes in air pressure.

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  54. There's gonna be some gems in there by connor_macleod · · Score: 1

    Check this one out.

    New directions in cryptography.
    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/i el5/18/22693/01055638.pdf

    Is there a list round of the famous pieces yet?

  55. *or the user by mbius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try Franz Kafka. I'm guessing anything done by a guy named Kafka in the last fifty years, hence relevant to current research, is not what you're looking for. The priority is to serve the bleeding edge and worry about history eventually.

    It's really great for science, simply for transparent navigation. The convenience over the library system (search title, select journal, login, find year, find volume, find article) or existing frontends (login, select author/title/keyword, worry about syntax, hope what you want is in the DB) isn't brain surgery. But it's quite nice.

    There's about a 25-year availability sweet spot between "too old to have been digitized yet" and "recent enough the publisher is still ekeing profits out of a subscription model." Any impetus for improvement to belongs to copyright holders. Their fees come from schools, and recent years have seen their own microcosm of BS from certain money-grubbing weasels.

    The short version is that libraries' print catalogues just shrank because Elsevier decided to price-gouge; generic numbers are $1M at x% of total journals = 10x% of journal budget. The contract says anything you cancel makes everything you keep cost more.

    It's a tempest in a teacup, but so was the price of a CD in 1995.

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  56. Google gaming itself by grikdog · · Score: 1

    The first thing universities do when they realize their pages are being hit is lock out the goonies who don't pay tuition. The old internet of two or three years ago is dead, dead, dead, and everything useful is corralled in gated communities. It's fun seeing Google trying to game itself in order to stay relevant and offer ANYTHING that hasn't already been smothered under the sludge of commerce.

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  57. Search ALL Google by hey · · Score: 1

    When is Google going to add a way for us
    to search in ALL their databases (News, Groups, Scolar, books, etc)???!!!

  58. More Famous (and not so famous) quotes by EvilPro · · Score: 1

    Following is the related fortune-mod entry. Was one of my favorites.

    "If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants."
    -- Isaac Newton

    "In the sciences, we are now uniquely priviledged to sit side by side with the giants on whose shoulders we stand."
    -- Gerald Holton

    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
    -- Hal Abelson

    "Mathematicians stand on each other's shoulders."
    -- Gauss

    "Mathemeticians stand on each other's shoulders while computer scientists stand on each other's toes."
    -- Richard Hamming

    "It has been said that physicists stand on one another's shoulders. If this is the case, then programmers stand on one another's toes, and software engineers dig each other's graves."
    -- Unknown

  59. Google is becoming THE INTERNET! by ylikone · · Score: 1

    Google keeps pumping out these incredibly useful internet tools which I think are great... but I worry that Google will someday be synonymous with "the internet". The common person won't know what "the internet" actually is anymore when everything they need to do online is handled by Google. What happens when Google goes bad? I know they are well liked at the moment and considered underdogs against evil empires like microsoft... but they will eventually go bad. All powerful corporate controlled entities do.

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    1. Re:Google is becoming THE INTERNET! by bps7j · · Score: 1

      Bah! Google Scholar doesn't even turn up any results for retro encabulator. Now, that's lame. You can't call them "the internet" if their scholarly search doesn't turn up any results for this brilliant piece of research!

  60. Oh boy! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    And here I thought I'd never be able to find links to the ACM's portal page asking me to pay grotesque fees to access their papers! Truly this is a great step forward toward the free exchange of information! I for one nibble the knobs of our new Google overlords!

    --grendel drago

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    1. Re:Oh boy! by dragonman97 · · Score: 1

      Hmm...I feel exactly the opposite - it makes searching for some articles *very* efficient...and I'm an ACM member. :D

  61. Bogus by blooba · · Score: 1

    I tried a search for "nanotechnology", and got a bunch of links that all required either a paid subscription or a login for which I was not allowed to register. Bogus.

  62. It's all about personalization by guilhermesa · · Score: 1

    Great, now if I want to bore :) myself reading Scientific American, and can use Google Scolar instead!

  63. MathSciNet? by siwelwerd · · Score: 1

    I wish it would be as useful as http://www.ams.org/mathscinet MathSciNet is for math papers. I can't find any math paper as easily on google scholar as I can on MathSciNet.

  64. what the? by fabs64 · · Score: 1

    Submitted this 3 months ago, and it was old then

  65. Full text search save a lot of time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am google schoolar + PubMed addict, so my opinion is not objective at all.

    Google schoolar pros:
    * full text search,
    * save a lot of time because it shows a few lines of text surrounding your query,
    * articles at the top have highest number of citations, so I know what is popular/respected publication,
    * in advanced search I can select publications from the last year(s) with not so many citations,
    * each publication has a link listing who cite this publication (some journals do not provide such a list),

    cons:
    * If your query words are common, there is very little you can do to narrow the search results,
    * areas that are not publication-driven (computer science?) does not cite others so often and are not well organized by google scholar (in contrast for example to life sciences),
    * if you do not know what are you looking for, then google scholar is not good for you,
    * if you like (or have time) to read the whole papers (instead of just interesting parts) probably you shoud go to the library, not Internet.

    etc.

    1. Re:Full text search save a lot of time! by insomnio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I always found scholar to be the worst option I have. All the academic search engines that my university uses provide full text and/or where I can get the paper at my library.

  66. lol you spelled 'TEH' wrong by thedustbustr · · Score: 1

    Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)

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    1. Re:lol you spelled 'TEH' wrong by ylikone · · Score: 1

      WTF? Make some sense man!

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  67. something thats actually recent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    moon.google.com

    zoom to the highest level to see what the moon is made of :)

  68. why Google search? by richmc · · Score: 1

    I though Google search was supposed to be the ultimate search engine. Why do we need Google Scholar? Does the search engine need help by segmenting the web into smaller pieces?

  69. iT'S NOT FREE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah but G Scholar doesn't take you to any FREE resources... just PAY for PAPERS resources. This has gt to be a money maker for Google... erhaps a littlemoney in their pocket for everyone who signs up for teh pay services? SDotters shoudl realize that all the papers they are (mis)lead to by Google can be had for free on sites not listed by Google... a good example of which is citeseer which has all the papers that the ACM has except they are free... thank GOD for citeseer.... and put something in the donation bucket for them while you're downloading

  70. ITS BECAUSE HE IS FUCKING HIGH ON POT ALL THE TIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  71. Still not ready for prime time by william.gunn · · Score: 1
    Like others have said, if your keywords are common, there's little you can do to narrow your search.

    What really bugs me, though, is the lack of proper name handling. Scholar seems to interpret searches quite literally, whereas pubmed, for example, translates queries. Try the following searches to see what I mean:

    Gunn WG

    Gunn WG

    Gunn W

    W Gunn

    Pubmed will find all three references for "WG Gunn" in a search for "gunn W", and a 1/3 instances of WG Gunn in a search for "William Gunn", however, it chokes on "WG Gunn". Scholar finds only 2/3 instances of "WG Gunn" in a search for exactly that, but never "wg gunn" in a search for "william gunn", and searching for "w gunn" turns up nothing for "wg gunn", however, there are results for wj gunn and ws gunn.

    It's tricky, but necessary, for a scholarly database to get this right. "w gunn" should turn up "w gunn" as well every record where the first name starts with g, including both the ones with and without a middle initial. "william gunn" should turn up the set of results included in "w gunn", "william gunn", and "wg gunn". "wg gunn" should also turn up every record of "wg gunn" in addition to the set of results where the first name begins with w, the second name begins with g and the last name is gunn. "Gunn WG" should be identical to "WG Gunn".

    When doing name searches, if in doubt, include the result. People are more likely to be put out if their articles don't turn up where they should than if they do turn up where they shouldn't. I mean, the whole point of publishing is to get your work out there so other people can read it, right?

    There is a problem, specifically that a common name will return too many hits. "Smith B" turns up over 4000 hits on pubmed and 4 on Scholar, whereas "b smith" turns up 39000 on Scholar and nothing on pubmed (the query gets translated unless you specify that it's an author search) but too many results is never as bad as too little in an author search, because you can further narrow using date ranges, initials, and keywords.

  72. Umm by gurulegend · · Score: 1

    This is so last year.