Please people, Apple has always been this way. Apple didn't get beat by Microsoft because they were nicer, they just got beat. If you were surprised by Apples recent moves then you just haven't been paying attention.
I can't believe this is post worthy. I see this in MMORPGs -all the time-, non-technical people who see a pattern in something that is near random, and then complain about it. It should be obvious to most smart people that this is pure crap, what I don't get is how it's been legitimized with an article here. Give me a break.
I probably have a pretty uncommon situation in that I've played and competed at the upper level in both FPS and MMORPGs. I'm not as good as I used to be at quake but I'm still a top 15% player in RA3.. and I've also been a part of PVP in MMOs for a long time. EQ, Shadowbane, and DAoC being the biggest. My DAoC guild ended up being a top guild in the game.
Given my experience I'm pretty confident when I say that MMOs simply do not require the amount of effort involved to master and achieve the upper levels of play. Not even close. I'm not trying to marginalize MMO's though, there is definately a lot to learn and some people simply will never make the cut no matter how hard they try... but competition in FPS games is on a whole different level. A pro has thousands apon thousands of hours of experience in his game and unlike an MMO guy, every single moment of it was spent in competitive play. I'd say the average pro fps player has more than 7k hours put into his game. That's 10 hours a day for 2 years. Of course it's usually spread out over more than 3 or 4 years.. but anyway.
I've got a real problem with this entire concept. It encourages actions based on an evaluation of past patterns, which in turn discourages uniques and inovation. Also, people trusting their intuition and gut is a lot of what is wrong about people in the first place.
Not only is it NOT unethical, it's precisely what you SHOULD be doing. Anyone who thinks this is unethical completely misses the point behind the free software movement. Quite frankly, I wouldn't trust anyone who takes that kind of position either.
Um.. even using your own figures we would run out of oil before that, but the truth is Uranium alone would last longer than 117 years. That's if you ignore the multitude of other ways to power a nuclear power plant.
The premise of your wordy response is that technically inclined people tend not to have spyware. While it's obviously true that they are less likely to have spyware than others, I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are unlikely. Being involved in a fairly technical field (the ISP and telecom business) I've seen a lot of examples of technical people who have spyware. In fact, on several occasions I've talked to techs and had them run spybot and ad aware only for them to be surprised at the number of things they have. Considering that in my experience even a large number of techs get spyware, I'm inclined to think that in the technophobic crowd spyware is the rule, not the expection.
At which point does the average idiot realize these two simple facts:
1: Any given activity is just about as good as any given other so long as it isn't causing anyone direct harm.
2: There isn't anything wrong with being focused on a couple of hobbies and be good at them instead of trying to indulge 1000 different activities and suck at all of them.
Playing games is what these people like, but they are supposed to switch to supposedly "normal" activities that they only spend a handful of hours a week on... for what? Just to be "normal"? Because their past time "isn't healthy"? Please. There is a reason "normal" people don't have anything they like to do more than 5 hours a week other than watch tv, because "normal" activies simply aren't that god damned stimulating. It's fucking true. If you manage to fill all your free time with taking walks or just "hanging out" with friends, fine, but don't push it on other people. You can be your "normal" simple self and not bother people who aren't into that crap. Thanks.
That's true for small home-projects, but not for projects like Mozilla, Gnome, OpenOffice.org, Gimp, etc.
This isn't even close to being true. Why are you spreading this misinformation? Serious security problems in large open source projects are very competitive with smaller projects in their bug fix and turn around. Nearly every majory security problem is fixed the day it hits the media. Most often when/. has a story on a new security bug in something big like Apache, Mozilla, or the Linux kernel you can find a link to a patch in the story itself, and if not it's always in a comment below. There may be exceptions, but they are rare.
this should be modded "obvious" and "beside the point". We know what we can do on the low end, the the point of this article is figuring out the high end.
Wow, complaining about cell phones having too many neat features. Anyone remember when cool new gadgets used to be appreciated on slashdot instead of cynically trashed? Is slashdot getting old and cranky?
The reason noone cares about BSD is because for 90% of us, anything we can do with one we can do with the other. So all other things being equal we go with the one that has more mindshare/software/hardware/support.
That's my reasoning, and I'll bet it's the majority opinion if you were to poll average linux users.
He was saying MSR was being innovative, and you're ranting on and on about how MSR is innovative and seeming arguing with him... arguing with him when hes making the same point you are making. I suppose you can argue that his preemtive objections are insulting in that he shouldn't need to preempt, but whether he should or should not have to do it, the fact remains that he does, since this is/. and people are going to bash MS for not being innovative. I'm not sure if it's your comprehension or your reasoning that is to blame for this, but in either case you're an idiot.
What really sucks is that your posts get modded up because you sound like you're making a point.
Of course hes right, and if you ask me it's pretty obvious. I'm a young male and I spend a much larger percentage of my time with games than I do watching TV, I'm sure if I didn't have games then my TV viewing time would be much much higher. Most of my friends are the same way.
I don't know why half the people in this discussion want to blame crap tv shows either. Christ, 80's television was total ass, the stuff we have today is lightyears better.
Yes, gaming is doing it, yes I'm fine with that. No I really don't care if the industry runs into problems because of it.
Well, I know you were going by mhz alone, but todays cpus are more than just 25 times faster, in fact going by mores law it should be ~2^6 faster or ~65 times the speed.
Also, I've seen in excess of 100 days on tons of linux boxes. Longest I've personally had in production was 256 days then a tornado hit and took out the power. Considering I keep seeing triple digit uptimes without trying Im sure everybody is gettnig them all the time.
Some people want to live that way, exactly right The guy was aware that some people want it that way, his entire point was that they have problems with the cussing but not the violence. That's what is fucking backwards. I guess you missed his fucking point completely.
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Wow you had to really reach to find that soapbox huh? Sheesh.. talk about a pointless post.
Please people, Apple has always been this way. Apple didn't get beat by Microsoft because they were nicer, they just got beat. If you were surprised by Apples recent moves then you just haven't been paying attention.
I can't believe this is post worthy. I see this in MMORPGs -all the time-, non-technical people who see a pattern in something that is near random, and then complain about it.
It should be obvious to most smart people that this is pure crap, what I don't get is how it's been legitimized with an article here. Give me a break.
I probably have a pretty uncommon situation in that I've played and competed at the upper level in both FPS and MMORPGs. I'm not as good as I used to be at quake but I'm still a top 15% player in RA3.. and I've also been a part of PVP in MMOs for a long time. EQ, Shadowbane, and DAoC being the biggest. My DAoC guild ended up being a top guild in the game.
Given my experience I'm pretty confident when I say that MMOs simply do not require the amount of effort involved to master and achieve the upper levels of play. Not even close. I'm not trying to marginalize MMO's though, there is definately a lot to learn and some people simply will never make the cut no matter how hard they try... but competition in FPS games is on a whole different level. A pro has thousands apon thousands of hours of experience in his game and unlike an MMO guy, every single moment of it was spent in competitive play. I'd say the average pro fps player has more than 7k hours put into his game. That's 10 hours a day for 2 years. Of course it's usually spread out over more than 3 or 4 years.. but anyway.
I've got a real problem with this entire concept. It encourages actions based on an evaluation of past patterns, which in turn discourages uniques and inovation. Also, people trusting their intuition and gut is a lot of what is wrong about people in the first place.
Uh.. coporations through loyalty out first and established the precedent of dog-eat-dog years ago. Now it goes two ways.
Not only is it NOT unethical, it's precisely what you SHOULD be doing. Anyone who thinks this is unethical completely misses the point behind the free software movement. Quite frankly, I wouldn't trust anyone who takes that kind of position either.
More like the cretins are listening to Harvey Danger.
hah! Right. because you know, a rehashed UT2k3 was eagerly anticipated by everyone!
No seriously, almost noone gave a shit about that game coming out other than UT fanatics. That's not a blockbuster.
Wow, your signature is appropriate as hell huh?
Well, okay, but you're wallowing in ignorance.
Um.. even using your own figures we would run out of oil before that, but the truth is Uranium alone would last longer than 117 years. That's if you ignore the multitude of other ways to power a nuclear power plant.
oh man, you knew it all long then. I wish you woulda spoke up sooner, do you have any idea how much this trip cost?!
The premise of your wordy response is that technically inclined people tend not to have spyware. While it's obviously true that they are less likely to have spyware than others, I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are unlikely. Being involved in a fairly technical field (the ISP and telecom business) I've seen a lot of examples of technical people who have spyware. In fact, on several occasions I've talked to techs and had them run spybot and ad aware only for them to be surprised at the number of things they have. Considering that in my experience even a large number of techs get spyware, I'm inclined to think that in the technophobic crowd spyware is the rule, not the expection.
So that's why they call you old dave...
At which point does the average idiot realize these two simple facts:
1: Any given activity is just about as good as any given other so long as it isn't causing anyone direct harm.
2: There isn't anything wrong with being focused on a couple of hobbies and be good at them instead of trying to indulge 1000 different activities and suck at all of them.
Playing games is what these people like, but they are supposed to switch to supposedly "normal" activities that they only spend a handful of hours a week on... for what? Just to be "normal"? Because their past time "isn't healthy"? Please. There is a reason "normal" people don't have anything they like to do more than 5 hours a week other than watch tv, because "normal" activies simply aren't that god damned stimulating. It's fucking true. If you manage to fill all your free time with taking walks or just "hanging out" with friends, fine, but don't push it on other people. You can be your "normal" simple self and not bother people who aren't into that crap. Thanks.
This isn't even close to being true. Why are you spreading this misinformation? Serious security problems in large open source projects are very competitive with smaller projects in their bug fix and turn around. Nearly every majory security problem is fixed the day it hits the media. Most often when
There may be exceptions, but they are rare.
so what you're saying is, replace $1million dollar projects with access and Excel.
lol?
this should be modded "obvious" and "beside the point". We know what we can do on the low end, the the point of this article is figuring out the high end.
Wow, complaining about cell phones having too many neat features. Anyone remember when cool new gadgets used to be appreciated on slashdot instead of cynically trashed? Is slashdot getting old and cranky?
The reason noone cares about BSD is because for 90% of us, anything we can do with one we can do with the other. So all other things being equal we go with the one that has more mindshare/software/hardware/support.
That's my reasoning, and I'll bet it's the majority opinion if you were to poll average linux users.
He was saying MSR was being innovative, and you're ranting on and on about how MSR is innovative and seeming arguing with him... arguing with him when hes making the same point you are making. I suppose you can argue that his preemtive objections are insulting in that he shouldn't need to preempt, but whether he should or should not have to do it, the fact remains that he does, since this is /. and people are going to bash MS for not being innovative. I'm not sure if it's your comprehension or your reasoning that is to blame for this, but in either case you're an idiot.
What really sucks is that your posts get modded up because you sound like you're making a point.
Of course hes right, and if you ask me it's pretty obvious. I'm a young male and I spend a much larger percentage of my time with games than I do watching TV, I'm sure if I didn't have games then my TV viewing time would be much much higher. Most of my friends are the same way.
I don't know why half the people in this discussion want to blame crap tv shows either. Christ, 80's television was total ass, the stuff we have today is lightyears better.
Yes, gaming is doing it, yes I'm fine with that. No I really don't care if the industry runs into problems because of it.
Well, I know you were going by mhz alone, but todays cpus are more than just 25 times faster, in fact going by mores law it should be ~2^6 faster or ~65 times the speed.
Also, I've seen in excess of 100 days on tons of linux boxes. Longest I've personally had in production was 256 days then a tornado hit and took out the power. Considering I keep seeing triple digit uptimes without trying Im sure everybody is gettnig them all the time.
Some people want to live that way, exactly right The guy was aware that some people want it that way, his entire point was that they have problems with the cussing but not the violence. That's what is fucking backwards. I guess you missed his fucking point completely.