I can't argue with that. You ARE talking about volume. The parent was not as specific.
Here in the UK, some of the cheaper broadband plans have caps as low as 2GB/month. With an 8Mb/s ADSL line, that could be use up in less than one hour. Note that I'm not sure if plans with a cap that low offer 8Mb/s.
BTW, you forgot to account for the fact that there are 24 hours in a day.
That's not volume, it's bandwidth, or, more precisely, channel capacity, for the last/first mile.
Now, if you have a cap on your broadband account (mine's 20GB/month), and you have to pay more per GB if you exceed your cap, then you are paying for volume.
Sigh. Obviously? IMO, most people who use the word tend to not state a rational argument to back up their claim, perhaps with the exception of those involved in patent litigation.
You make some interesting points, as evidenced by the mod status of your post. However, when I asked the question, I was really thinking of the potential cost to the client end-user, not the server end and the potential for subsidy
I accept your assertion that choosing Microsoft to be the topic of the question makes it emotionally loaded to a degree. Remember, though, that they are named as a party who are interested in pushing for net neutrality and of the three companies listed, IMO, MS are the only one who sells a product and then expects the customer to pay for the traffic required to repair it whenever it is found to be faulty.
As a Mac and Linux user, I also considered using examples relating to these two, but Apple aren't listed in the article so I don't know their apparent view on this specific subject. I assume that the free software community as a whole is in favour of NN and would have been interested to see an objective debate emerging regarding the merits of making Microsoft subsidise the delivery of their patches as opposed to the pitfalls of requiring free software distributors to do the same.
'You know, you remind' blah blah blah...
I am that person, you insensitive clod.
WTF are you actually talking about? I asked a question of the forum and went nowhere near voicing an opinion. Go and write that sort of stuff about someone who has made a point that you don't agree with and leave me out of it.
I used to get the occasional bollocking, from the airport firemen, for smoking cigarettes outside hangars. They never seemed to bother the guy who cleaned engine parts with petrol whilst smoking cigars, even when he'd put them out by dropping them in the bucket filled with fuel.
If my walls were made of dust, I'd move out.
Now, the carpet, that's a different matter entirely. Cat fur and dust seem to be the main constituents of mine.
I haven't seen that specific episode, but I have first hand experience of the interference potential of using a GSM phone in a Cessna 406 used for aerial work purposes. It did cause erratic behaviour of a number of radio navigation aids onboard, although I can't recall which ones.
Our workaround was for the pilot to fly using Visual Flight Rules (VFR) during cell phone calls and to prohibit the use of the cell phone (which was, in any case, legally prohibited by the UK CAA) when operating under Instrument Flight Rules (i.e. in cloud, fog, etc).
FYI, the worst case of airborne RFI I've ever experienced was when we flew very close, at about 400ft altitude, to the 'hot end' of the BBC Russian Service's antenna array. The instruments freaked out, Russian voices came through the intercom, plasma screens threw wobblies (before the computer driving them crashed) and a 1.5 amp fuse popped in the power feed to a sensor towed on a 100m cable.
Being a Slashdot reader, I've not yet discovered whether or not this intense RF exposure has left me sterile. The whole thing was quite amusing though. We had some 'interesting' times on that contract;-(
DRAM is preferable to static RAM, for this purpose, but it is still deemed to be readable to some extent after power loss and may require 'cleansing' to be performed if your data is very highly classified and you have a technically capable enemy.
I would provide a reference, but then I'd have to erase the entire planet!
I nearly got knocked over by them, trundling along, when I staggered out of a pub in Cambridge a few years ago. She looked quite fit if my recollection is correct, although in this case it quite possibly isn't. Beer goggles may also have had an influence on my opinion.
So do you? You say you would rather trust a religious person than a non-religious philosophy? To do what, exactly? They're both completely different things.
A very good point. I've quite often had QoS and overcharging issues with using GPRS on my O2 phone, here in the UK.
I've found it impossible to connect via SSH to my Linux box at home, and had 75% packet loss when pinging and ping times measured in minutes. What are they doing, routing it all through an Echelon data centre on Mars?
Seriously though, I believe that they are charging me for my packets, dropping them inside their network and then charging me again each time the same TCP segment is retransmitted. When I asked them about the QoS I could expect, and for an explanation of their charging mechanism, i.e. at which layer are bytes counted, and at what edge, i.e. ingress or egress, nobody had a clue, or they just weren't saying.
So, O2 suck. I hope 3 are better. I'm looking forward to ditching that crappy Motorola v3 phone too. Its menu system/software is the pits.
After at least a decade of using Windows, I stopped using XP and switched to an iBook and Ubuntu on my desktop (now have XP running in VMWare out of morbid curiosity). For most of those years I ran XP without any sort of compromise, ending up with with Zone Alarm Pro and AVG for 'security', except when my (then soon to be) ex-gf downloaded a dialler trojan whilst pron surfing. Doh! BTW, that sucker required a reinstall. Cleanup was futile.
There didn't seem to be anyway to prevent something like that from doing the dirty. Even ZAP didn't help there. The only sure-fire fix to the dialler problem I could see (apart from switching OS, which came soon after) was to ditch the modem and get ADSL.
I bought a pair of Hitachi Deskstar 160GB SATA drives from PC World last Friday. Not the cheapest place, I know, but it was close and open at 7.30pm on a Friday night. I built a RAID1 configuration running Dapper on them.
A few days later, after having some hardware issues (not Dapper's fault), I rebooted and got a SMART warning that/dev/sdb was in a Prefail state having exceeded spin-up time parameters.
You can't believe how happy I was. I'd learnt how to configure a RAID only a few days before, and now I was going to be able to prove the setup within a week.
I considered my options, and later, popped in to PC World to enquire if it was OK to return the drive, let them inspect its condition and then destroy it with an FBH in front of their very eyes. I was of course(planning to take spare safety goggles for them, too. I pointed out that the drive appeared to be working normally, so it could be easily read and suggested that I could waste less of my time with some on-site DIY, than resorting to less secure and/or covert means.
The tech guy went off to see the manager, and came back saying that it wasn't possible to give it a hammering, as they wouldn't be able to return it to Hitachi in that state, but that the manager would be happy to give me some sort of letter. I asked If I could have one from Hitachi too, but I think the guy thought I was joking.
I wandered off muttering about wasting time with sandpaper and magnets. Someone else mentioned a bucket of water. These people need to wake up.
Recommendations anyone. It's Ext3 formatted. Is shred up to the job? I'm not paranoid or stashing kiddy porn, but I don't see the point in ensuring network security and then not taking a robust approach in matters like this.
Ah. XP. In case you're missing it, I've just installed the free VmWare Server Beta http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ on Dapper (AMD64), and am ?happily? running XP on it, mostly for running ham radio programs. I'm also going to set up a 32 bit Dapper VM for those few progs that don't compile or run well on the 64 bit platform.
So far, so good. BTW, anyone trying to configure software RAID for their Dapper BETA install, you need to use the alternative install CD image, for the old-style install routine (no live disk built-in). A useful guide is here for setting up a RAID1 configuration http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.htm l
JPEG-2000 offers some very interesting features, including an interactive delivery protocol, called JPIP, which is worth checking out if you are interested in accessing massive losslessly compressed images across a bandwidth constrained link. It also supports encrypted access to higher resolution levels and quality layers, so is unlikely to remain DRM free forever in all implementations.
FWIW, NATO have invested heavily in standardising on JPEG-2000 for imagery intelligence products.
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It's not so much the property that they don't have, it seems to be the intellect that they are short of.
I can't argue with that. You ARE talking about volume. The parent was not as specific.
Here in the UK, some of the cheaper broadband plans have caps as low as 2GB/month. With an 8Mb/s ADSL line, that could be use up in less than one hour. Note that I'm not sure if plans with a cap that low offer 8Mb/s.
BTW, you forgot to account for the fact that there are 24 hours in a day.
That's not volume, it's bandwidth, or, more precisely, channel capacity, for the last/first mile.
Now, if you have a cap on your broadband account (mine's 20GB/month), and you have to pay more per GB if you exceed your cap, then you are paying for volume.
Sigh. Obviously? IMO, most people who use the word tend to not state a rational argument to back up their claim, perhaps with the exception of those involved in patent litigation.
Go stick your head in a pig.
You make some interesting points, as evidenced by the mod status of your post. However, when I asked the question, I was really thinking of the potential cost to the client end-user, not the server end and the potential for subsidy
I accept your assertion that choosing Microsoft to be the topic of the question makes it emotionally loaded to a degree. Remember, though, that they are named as a party who are interested in pushing for net neutrality and of the three companies listed, IMO, MS are the only one who sells a product and then expects the customer to pay for the traffic required to repair it whenever it is found to be faulty.
As a Mac and Linux user, I also considered using examples relating to these two, but Apple aren't listed in the article so I don't know their apparent view on this specific subject. I assume that the free software community as a whole is in favour of NN and would have been interested to see an objective debate emerging regarding the merits of making Microsoft subsidise the delivery of their patches as opposed to the pitfalls of requiring free software distributors to do the same.
'You know, you remind' blah blah blah...
I am that person, you insensitive clod.
WTF are you actually talking about? I asked a question of the forum and went nowhere near voicing an opinion. Go and write that sort of stuff about someone who has made a point that you don't agree with and leave me out of it.
Out of curiosity, who thinks that Microsoft should pay for the traffic caused by millions of people downloading security patches for Windows?
I used to get the occasional bollocking, from the airport firemen, for smoking cigarettes outside hangars. They never seemed to bother the guy who cleaned engine parts with petrol whilst smoking cigars, even when he'd put them out by dropping them in the bucket filled with fuel.
If my walls were made of dust, I'd move out. Now, the carpet, that's a different matter entirely. Cat fur and dust seem to be the main constituents of mine.
I haven't seen that specific episode, but I have first hand experience of the interference potential of using a GSM phone in a Cessna 406 used for aerial work purposes. It did cause erratic behaviour of a number of radio navigation aids onboard, although I can't recall which ones.
;-(
Our workaround was for the pilot to fly using Visual Flight Rules (VFR) during cell phone calls and to prohibit the use of the cell phone (which was, in any case, legally prohibited by the UK CAA) when operating under Instrument Flight Rules (i.e. in cloud, fog, etc).
FYI, the worst case of airborne RFI I've ever experienced was when we flew very close, at about 400ft altitude, to the 'hot end' of the BBC Russian Service's antenna array. The instruments freaked out, Russian voices came through the intercom, plasma screens threw wobblies (before the computer driving them crashed) and a 1.5 amp fuse popped in the power feed to a sensor towed on a 100m cable.
Being a Slashdot reader, I've not yet discovered whether or not this intense RF exposure has left me sterile. The whole thing was quite amusing though. We had some 'interesting' times on that contract
DRAM is preferable to static RAM, for this purpose, but it is still deemed to be readable to some extent after power loss and may require 'cleansing' to be performed if your data is very highly classified and you have a technically capable enemy.
I would provide a reference, but then I'd have to erase the entire planet!
Wouldn't it have to be quite a bit heavier due to the weaker gravity at the top?
I nearly got knocked over by them, trundling along, when I staggered out of a pub in Cambridge a few years ago. She looked quite fit if my recollection is correct, although in this case it quite possibly isn't. Beer goggles may also have had an influence on my opinion.
Which planet does he recommend?
Skaro? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaro
So do you? You say you would rather trust a religious person than a non-religious philosophy? To do what, exactly? They're both completely different things.
A very good point. I've quite often had QoS and overcharging issues with using GPRS on my O2 phone, here in the UK.
I've found it impossible to connect via SSH to my Linux box at home, and had 75% packet loss when pinging and ping times measured in minutes. What are they doing, routing it all through an Echelon data centre on Mars?
Seriously though, I believe that they are charging me for my packets, dropping them inside their network and then charging me again each time the same TCP segment is retransmitted. When I asked them about the QoS I could expect, and for an explanation of their charging mechanism, i.e. at which layer are bytes counted, and at what edge, i.e. ingress or egress, nobody had a clue, or they just weren't saying.
So, O2 suck. I hope 3 are better. I'm looking forward to ditching that crappy Motorola v3 phone too. Its menu system/software is the pits.
Unless you want it to moo and get hot, which the new laptops apparently do quite well.
"Pirated copies, good ones not someone sharing a friends install key, all do not have these problems.
there are zips of all the current updates on the torrent sites so updates are not a problem, and the updates have this crap stripped out."
Hmm. You trust these packages do you? I guess nobody has ever put a rootkit in one, then?
After at least a decade of using Windows, I stopped using XP and switched to an iBook and Ubuntu on my desktop (now have XP running in VMWare out of morbid curiosity). For most of those years I ran XP without any sort of compromise, ending up with with Zone Alarm Pro and AVG for 'security', except when my (then soon to be) ex-gf downloaded a dialler trojan whilst pron surfing. Doh! BTW, that sucker required a reinstall. Cleanup was futile.
There didn't seem to be anyway to prevent something like that from doing the dirty. Even ZAP didn't help there. The only sure-fire fix to the dialler problem I could see (apart from switching OS, which came soon after) was to ditch the modem and get ADSL.
Ah. The B Ark strategy.
I bought a pair of Hitachi Deskstar 160GB SATA drives from PC World last Friday. Not the cheapest place, I know, but it was close and open at 7.30pm on a Friday night. I built a RAID1 configuration running Dapper on them.
/dev/sdb was in a Prefail state having exceeded spin-up time parameters.
A few days later, after having some hardware issues (not Dapper's fault), I rebooted and got a SMART warning that
You can't believe how happy I was. I'd learnt how to configure a RAID only a few days before, and now I was going to be able to prove the setup within a week.
I considered my options, and later, popped in to PC World to enquire if it was OK to return the drive, let them inspect its condition and then destroy it with an FBH in front of their very eyes. I was of course(planning to take spare safety goggles for them, too. I pointed out that the drive appeared to be working normally, so it could be easily read and suggested that I could waste less of my time with some on-site DIY, than resorting to less secure and/or covert means.
The tech guy went off to see the manager, and came back saying that it wasn't possible to give it a hammering, as they wouldn't be able to return it to Hitachi in that state, but that the manager would be happy to give me some sort of letter. I asked If I could have one from Hitachi too, but I think the guy thought I was joking.
I wandered off muttering about wasting time with sandpaper and magnets. Someone else mentioned a bucket of water. These people need to wake up.
Recommendations anyone. It's Ext3 formatted. Is shred up to the job? I'm not paranoid or stashing kiddy porn, but I don't see the point in ensuring network security and then not taking a robust approach in matters like this.
I think someone was thinking of Bill Gates when they gave it its name. For those who don't get it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanker
Ah. XP. In case you're missing it, I've just installed the free VmWare Server Beta http://www.vmware.com/download/server/ on Dapper (AMD64), and am ?happily? running XP on it, mostly for running ham radio programs. I'm also going to set up a 32 bit Dapper VM for those few progs that don't compile or run well on the 64 bit platform.
m l
So far, so good. BTW, anyone trying to configure software RAID for their Dapper BETA install, you need to use the alternative install CD image, for the old-style install routine (no live disk built-in). A useful guide is here for setting up a RAID1 configuration
http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.ht
Enjoy...
With friends like you, who needs enemies?
Hmmm. Weird.
JPEG-2000 offers some very interesting features, including an interactive delivery protocol, called JPIP, which is worth checking out if you are interested in accessing massive losslessly compressed images across a bandwidth constrained link. It also supports encrypted access to higher resolution levels and quality layers, so is unlikely to remain DRM free forever in all implementations. FWIW, NATO have invested heavily in standardising on JPEG-2000 for imagery intelligence products.