Ideally one gets a group of computer engineers together to take apart the mobo, identify the offending chips, put them on a separate breadboard, and map them pin by pin by pin.
As long as there are multiple OSs in existence, and multiple media players, then the hardware industry is not going to be able to implement 100% end to end hardware encryption. As long as there's that crack in the door there will always be a way around TCPA. It'd be nice if TCPA zealots would quit forcing their horrid implementation of insecurity on us. This same cat and mouse game has been going on for 50 years or more.
Just have the OS keep track of which program created which file, and allow it to decrypt files on request for that program only.
That would work if the OS was in the hardware. But the OS is on the HD these days, not in a chip.
Nothing would stop you from installing linux on such a PC. It just wouldn't be able to access any protected areas on the drive
That's the theory, but it really wouldn't be terribly difficult to create a partition with a single "a" on it and then brute-force the BIOS until it returns an "a". After 15-20 seed characters have been deciphered the encryption scheme should become apparant.
Granted, this isn't as easy as drinking water, or even as easy as washing the car, or even as easy as installing Debian... but it's easier than building a house. The hardware market is still a long way off from forcing every company in the world from turning in their old non TCPA mobos. As long as backwards compatibility is profitable there will be workarounds. The industry can't turn dimes that quickly.
Near-perfect DRM / TCPA is actually quite feasible with today's technology.</i>
So are fusion, optical processors, and asynchronous logic structures. I'm not holding my breath for the rollout, though.
Trusted computing involves the ability to hide everything from the user.</i>
RealPlayer, Winamp, Quicktime, and all other media apps still need to know what format to put the data stream in when sending it to the hardware device. And the code which handles that data to push it down the wire must be somewhere.
It uses built-in memory curtaining to prevent you from reading another program's memory.</i>
Debuggers will always be able to get around this. Sandboxes. Virtual environments. Etc. etc. etc.
All DRM breaking will have to be done in hardware
IFF there is only one software vendor in the entire world. I know the industry is trying to move this direction, but I'm willing to bet large sums of money we'll cut it off at the pass.
The suggested security model which you suggest is valid as long as the number of third party software vendors is kept to an absolute minimum. Admittedly, MS has attempted to corner the entire market on media delivery...
But it's going to be a long time until every third party music player is rendered invalid by end-to-end hardware encryption. Until then, the software code will always be someplace where it can be found and cracked.
Anything which they build into it requires code at the OS level. Any code at the OS level is stored in memory somewhere. Any code stored in memory can be analyzed and reverse engineered.
They're not going to cut the F/OSS community out of the picture entirely. The proprietary houses are doing what they can to stay 6-8 months ahead. Eventually, though, they have to release the specs to someone. Hard to write a media player that makes use of the built-in DRM if the people writing the media player don't know how the DRM works. Maybe they're looking at software as a collaboration-only development model. One company writes all these parts, and then MS adds in the code to make it work with DRM. Then, unless you're employed by MS, there's no legitimate reason to be writing code anymore. Hobbyist programmers can now be labelled terrorists... Or copyright infringers. It's all the same these days.
Can you offer a definition of capitalism or capitalists which doesn't include every modern society in the world? Everyone has some form of currency be it pretty rocks or printed money. So just take your wannabe political bs and go home.
What you're really ranting about is the inequity of those who write the rules writing them in their own favor. But you don't know that yet because you haven't sat down to think it through all the way yet. Take a few weeks out, have a bottle of wine or two, relax, and think about what really causes the problems in society.
And quit ranting against capitalism. There is no other way.
I miss that really. It was a small group of very rabid fans that loved this machine. I used to go to Amiga user group meetings and met a lot of really friendly people. But all good things come to an end. I just wished the Amiga had a more dignified death.
If you have any paper evidence of random torture, please present it. Something a little more substantial than "well... all the news channels say it" would be helpful.
To address the US side of random torture... have you visited any county jails lately? How about prisons? Look. There are bad people in every society. The spin is that Saddam is bad for punishing them, and the US is good. The spin is that Saddam always punished the wrong people, and the US judicial system never makes a mistake.
Saddam's Iraq and the current USA (which is _NOT_ the Constitutional Republic defined by our charter document) are the same thing. We just have more due process to make gullible citizens think we're so much better (yes, say that with the snobby tone and everything to get the full effect). It's called wool over sheep's eyes.
I asked a debt collector for her name once. She gave her first name. I asked if she had a last name. She replied,"You don't need to know that information."
As screwed up as the US legal system is, I bet a video recording of the caller ID accompanies by a tape recording of the phone call STILL wouldn't get me any closer to proving how abusive debt collectors are. The banking industry writes the loopholes into the rules.
If this ever happens to me again, I'm going to seek legal council immediately.
The lawyers are worse than the debt collectors. I sought legal advice over much the same situation as you: lost the job, tried to contact the creditors, got lots of lip service and then more late fees, etc. etc. etc.
I called a lawyer. There's nothing that they can do. Some suggested a $5k retainer fee and then they'd "look into it". Most just said that, as long as you signed up for the card and made the charges, you're screwed.
Almost makes you wonder if big companies and credit card agencies are sharing lists of names when it comes time to decide who to lay off. Let's see... these 25 people are close to their credit limits. If we lay them off, we can have all sorts of fun harassing them to death.
Saddam had three different agencies all doing the same thing: reporting on the populace to find out who was not a good Iraqi, in competition with each other
Let's imagine for a moment where such a system has been decentralized so that no one knows who the three agencies report to. Know knows who's a member because there is no formal company building. Everyone who is a member holds some other job to keep up the ruse. Punishment for being a bad citizen does not result in arrest or jail. It results in a lowered social class: higher insurance rates, higher interest rates, lower offers for salary, etc.
Oh wait. I've just described the social system in the US.
Funny how we're really no different than Saddam. The only defining feature is that, in the US society, no one really knows just who's pushing the buttons and calling the shots because there are so many strings on all the politicians. At least in Iraq, you knew who the jerks were and had a better chance of avoiding them on a day to day basis.
One can only hope that these people one day actually sit down and read their particular Bible, Torah or Koran
What fun would the world be if the ignorant people would enlighten themselves and quit starting wars and siphoning away our tax money for their personal profit?
Sounds like it'd be a pleasant, peaceful... hmmmm.
It is government policy. The University can only make such claims to the intellectual property because the courts have upheld their silly intellectual property clauses.
While the Constitution guarantees rights to authors and inventors, there are endless laws on the books which do nothing but protect the ways in which an organization can extort those rights from the author or inventor.
It's an excuse to preserve a social ladder (ie. promotions, bonuses, increases, starting salary level). Those of you who truly care about what you do will be left behind while those who don't really give a darn will waste their time at the dog show jumping through hoops and hurdles to earn their certificates.
This system is aided by the granting of paid company time off to obtain the desired certs and reimbursements for the cost, either up front or after the fact.
Whistleblower protection is for an employee's protection from the company's retribution
There's no whistleblower protection at goals and expectations setting time. When your boss gives you next year's goals, and you've got 20, and next year's expectations, and you've been asked to do things far outside your realm of control... there's no whistleblower protection. Next year, at performance review time, you'll get reamed six ways to Sunday, a 0% raise, and maybe even demoted. When you finally quit from being burned out there's no whistleblower protection for the state of mind you're left in.
Best to just do what the company asks and cover your butt as quietly as possible.
As usual you're not paying attention. This entire discussion has been about "How is a GPL author supposed to come up with the money" to pay the hourly fee? Perhaps you'd like to admit that the judicial system is a sham.
But if you want them to work for free
Gosh, and here I thought that lawyers drove rich cars and had rich houses because they were actually giving back to their community through their talents. Are you going to (finally) admit (of course not) that it's really nothing more than shameless graft between lawyers and politicians which provides such rich worldly rewards? How much is enough? Does greed truly have no end? You spoke of pro bono work earlier. You and I both know that pro bono requirements are (laughable) mostly met by filling out marriage certs, divorce papers, and handling custody cases for low income families. When's the last time a case handled on a pro bono basis actually set a legal precedent that did society, as a whole, any real good? Has there ever been one?
The judicial system is an attempt to solve some of them, not to create more.
I'm not that interested in it, at the moment. Plus we're pretty heavily regulated as to how we can advertise and solicit business, so it would be a bit of a PITA anyway.
What a surprise. There's always some excuse somewhere. Perhaps you can provide references of attorneys who do work in that sector? No? Don't know anyone, huh? Gosh. What a shame.
You know, until I see "Slashdot's own Capt. Kangarooski helps take down GPL violators" I think it's pretty safe to say that you're all talk and no show.
Shall we dispense with the bull? The reason why inequities exist is because laywer's can't be bothered for anything less than $5000. Justice, it seems, has an ante.
If you win, you pay nothing up front to the lawyer
Is that like buying a car and paying nothing if the car breaks within the warranty period? I'd like to find a car dealer that engages in that.
There are lawyers who will work for free, up front, until the close of a case? Really? Maybe if they've been handed an open-and-shut case with a guaranteed win which they can milk for every billable hour it's worth.
It's designed so that clients that can't afford to pay hourly fees can still effectively go to court.
Uh-huh. Funny how it just never seems to apply in real life. If it did, then you'd be jumping on the GAIM vs. IMblaze case right now, wouldn't you?
Why aren't you?
Could it be because I'm right and you're trolling? No lawyer ever works for free unless they're two paychecks away from starving.
Can you come up with anything a little more substantial than,"Well, just because"?
To be honest, it is. I do not have any interest in these scientific data except very marginal one
Do yourself, and your fellow citizens, a favor. Take your extra money and donate it philanthropically to a university or a research organization of your choice. DO NOT campaign to saddle your fellow taxpayers with your idea of "well, it might help me in some way some day". Your neighbor may not have the extra cash to invest in such high-stakes gambles.
The government is NOTHING but a middle-man. The increase overhead cost and decrease the quality of the research. The sooner you face that reality and start doing your own research and making your own private contributions, the better off you and everyone will be.
If you rely on government to do this for you then your only rationale is being lazy.
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That's really really deep.
Ideally one gets a group of computer engineers together to take apart the mobo, identify the offending chips, put them on a separate breadboard, and map them pin by pin by pin.
As long as there are multiple OSs in existence, and multiple media players, then the hardware industry is not going to be able to implement 100% end to end hardware encryption. As long as there's that crack in the door there will always be a way around TCPA. It'd be nice if TCPA zealots would quit forcing their horrid implementation of insecurity on us. This same cat and mouse game has been going on for 50 years or more.
That's the theory, but it really wouldn't be terribly difficult to create a partition with a single "a" on it and then brute-force the BIOS until it returns an "a". After 15-20 seed characters have been deciphered the encryption scheme should become apparant.
Granted, this isn't as easy as drinking water, or even as easy as washing the car, or even as easy as installing Debian... but it's easier than building a house. The hardware market is still a long way off from forcing every company in the world from turning in their old non TCPA mobos. As long as backwards compatibility is profitable there will be workarounds. The industry can't turn dimes that quickly.
So are fusion, optical processors, and asynchronous logic structures. I'm not holding my breath for the rollout, though.
Debuggers will always be able to get around this. Sandboxes. Virtual environments. Etc. etc. etc.
IFF there is only one software vendor in the entire world. I know the industry is trying to move this direction, but I'm willing to bet large sums of money we'll cut it off at the pass.
The suggested security model which you suggest is valid as long as the number of third party software vendors is kept to an absolute minimum. Admittedly, MS has attempted to corner the entire market on media delivery...
But it's going to be a long time until every third party music player is rendered invalid by end-to-end hardware encryption. Until then, the software code will always be someplace where it can be found and cracked.
Anything which they build into it requires code at the OS level. Any code at the OS level is stored in memory somewhere. Any code stored in memory can be analyzed and reverse engineered.
They're not going to cut the F/OSS community out of the picture entirely. The proprietary houses are doing what they can to stay 6-8 months ahead. Eventually, though, they have to release the specs to someone. Hard to write a media player that makes use of the built-in DRM if the people writing the media player don't know how the DRM works. Maybe they're looking at software as a collaboration-only development model. One company writes all these parts, and then MS adds in the code to make it work with DRM. Then, unless you're employed by MS, there's no legitimate reason to be writing code anymore. Hobbyist programmers can now be labelled terrorists... Or copyright infringers. It's all the same these days.
Here's a novel idea...
Quit fucking with it.
What you're really ranting about is the inequity of those who write the rules writing them in their own favor. But you don't know that yet because you haven't sat down to think it through all the way yet. Take a few weeks out, have a bottle of wine or two, relax, and think about what really causes the problems in society.
And quit ranting against capitalism. There is no other way.
If you have any paper evidence of random torture, please present it. Something a little more substantial than "well... all the news channels say it" would be helpful.
To address the US side of random torture... have you visited any county jails lately? How about prisons? Look. There are bad people in every society. The spin is that Saddam is bad for punishing them, and the US is good. The spin is that Saddam always punished the wrong people, and the US judicial system never makes a mistake.
Saddam's Iraq and the current USA (which is _NOT_ the Constitutional Republic defined by our charter document) are the same thing. We just have more due process to make gullible citizens think we're so much better (yes, say that with the snobby tone and everything to get the full effect). It's called wool over sheep's eyes.
I asked a debt collector for her name once. She gave her first name. I asked if she had a last name. She replied,"You don't need to know that information."
As screwed up as the US legal system is, I bet a video recording of the caller ID accompanies by a tape recording of the phone call STILL wouldn't get me any closer to proving how abusive debt collectors are. The banking industry writes the loopholes into the rules.
It's all just paid harassment.
I called a lawyer. There's nothing that they can do. Some suggested a $5k retainer fee and then they'd "look into it". Most just said that, as long as you signed up for the card and made the charges, you're screwed.
Almost makes you wonder if big companies and credit card agencies are sharing lists of names when it comes time to decide who to lay off. Let's see... these 25 people are close to their credit limits. If we lay them off, we can have all sorts of fun harassing them to death.
Oh wait. I've just described the social system in the US.
Funny how we're really no different than Saddam. The only defining feature is that, in the US society, no one really knows just who's pushing the buttons and calling the shots because there are so many strings on all the politicians. At least in Iraq, you knew who the jerks were and had a better chance of avoiding them on a day to day basis.
Sounds like it'd be a pleasant, peaceful... hmmmm.
Copyright law is much much much older than W.
It is government policy. The University can only make such claims to the intellectual property because the courts have upheld their silly intellectual property clauses.
While the Constitution guarantees rights to authors and inventors, there are endless laws on the books which do nothing but protect the ways in which an organization can extort those rights from the author or inventor.
Back asswards.
So much for that Constitutional protections securing rights to authors and inventors.
Nothing like letting King George strongarm those rights away.
It's an excuse to preserve a social ladder (ie. promotions, bonuses, increases, starting salary level). Those of you who truly care about what you do will be left behind while those who don't really give a darn will waste their time at the dog show jumping through hoops and hurdles to earn their certificates.
This system is aided by the granting of paid company time off to obtain the desired certs and reimbursements for the cost, either up front or after the fact.
Best to just do what the company asks and cover your butt as quietly as possible.
Gosh, and here I thought that lawyers drove rich cars and had rich houses because they were actually giving back to their community through their talents. Are you going to (finally) admit (of course not) that it's really nothing more than shameless graft between lawyers and politicians which provides such rich worldly rewards? How much is enough? Does greed truly have no end? You spoke of pro bono work earlier. You and I both know that pro bono requirements are (laughable) mostly met by filling out marriage certs, divorce papers, and handling custody cases for low income families. When's the last time a case handled on a pro bono basis actually set a legal precedent that did society, as a whole, any real good? Has there ever been one?
It's failing miserably.
You know, until I see "Slashdot's own Capt. Kangarooski helps take down GPL violators" I think it's pretty safe to say that you're all talk and no show.
Shall we dispense with the bull? The reason why inequities exist is because laywer's can't be bothered for anything less than $5000. Justice, it seems, has an ante.
There are lawyers who will work for free, up front, until the close of a case? Really? Maybe if they've been handed an open-and-shut case with a guaranteed win which they can milk for every billable hour it's worth.
Uh-huh. Funny how it just never seems to apply in real life. If it did, then you'd be jumping on the GAIM vs. IMblaze case right now, wouldn't you?
Why aren't you?
Could it be because I'm right and you're trolling? No lawyer ever works for free unless they're two paychecks away from starving.
Do yourself, and your fellow citizens, a favor. Take your extra money and donate it philanthropically to a university or a research organization of your choice. DO NOT campaign to saddle your fellow taxpayers with your idea of "well, it might help me in some way some day". Your neighbor may not have the extra cash to invest in such high-stakes gambles.
The government is NOTHING but a middle-man. The increase overhead cost and decrease the quality of the research. The sooner you face that reality and start doing your own research and making your own private contributions, the better off you and everyone will be.
If you rely on government to do this for you then your only rationale is being lazy.