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Impact of Daylight Savings Time Changes?
jason718 writes "With the pending changes to U.S. Daylight Savings Time, what impact will those changes have to existing systems and their applications? Are some operating systems more open than others with regard to the configuration of Daylight Savings Time start and end dates, or will we need yet another update or patch to modify the internal calendar?"
With over 800 comments, I thought that's enough to get an idea of its impact and suggestions to deal with it.
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
"Are some operating systems more open than others with regard to the configuration of Daylight Savings Time start and end dates, or will we need yet another update or patch to modify the internal calendar?""
No, probably not.
Are some operating systems more open than others with regard to the configuration of Daylight Savings Time start and end dates, or will we need yet another update or patch to modify the internal calendar?
Wouldn't a patch for this sort of thing require all of 10 seconds to make?
The sleep patterns of Slashdotters will be messed up... Oh, wait a minute...
Cause more dupes.
...would refuse to honor any daylight savings time changes. It's definitely more trouble than it'd be worth.
I live in Arizona, you insensitive clod!
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
I'm not sure why this is comming across the headlines again but, I'll say it again.
Embeded devices. Clocks, DVD players, etc. Anything thats not network accessable that can be patched - is going to be screwed.
snowulf.com
This seems like it is going to be a great deal of trouble. Although most software will be fairly easily patched, it still seems like a hastle. People will inevitably forget to patch, and different will be handling time differently.
Voice your opinion!
Did someone turn the clock back to the discussion we already had on this issue?
from the article:
"and airline officials said it would have complicated scheduling of international flights."
But the US and Europe already change to daylight savings at different times and some countries don't implement it at all. So how does it really make any difference?
It causes ppl to give times on slashdot for a timezone (EST) that no one uses in summer (USA East Coast is currently under EDT).
Right...
Webserver logs (and other logs) might get timestamps that doesn't correspond with the actual time, unless they patch the OS.
While doing work for some telecom companies down in Brazil I ran into this because evidently (depending on province) they pass a resolution each year determining when to start DST and when to come off, usually planning around holidays and the whims of people in those positions. They have suggested dates, but they sometimes vary from year to year.
/usr/share/lib/zoneinfo for zone definition files. If you're lucky (or have Solaris), there's a src directory in there.
;)
For most *nix systems, look in
You'll find a README file with a reference to a place with updated zone files].
On the other hand you could try to roll your own like I did for Belo Horizonte and edit the rules in one of the source files (I would think "northamerica" for the US
Do a man zic for more info on compiling and then distributing to other systems.
Fantasy Football
To cause a psychological break point by plunging the country into low-grade chaos, marking the end of the Land of the Free, and the beginning of the glorious New American Reich Century?
Unfortunately, due to inconsistent implementation of Daylight Savings, an erroneous timestamp will cause the system to place this post significantly further down the list. Rest assured, though, that this post was made an hour before the timestamp shows, and was, therefore, first.
-- I prefer the term "karma escort."
Did we really need one more reason to move to Hawaii?
There are two types of people in this world: those that categorize other people and those that don't.
You'll need an update to /usr/share/zoneinfo/ . Expect the next Debian release in late 2012 to support this.
I smell a new viral sig.
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
...following the spring shift to Daylight Savings Time (when one hour of sleep is lost) there is a measurable increase in the number of traffic accidents that result in fatalities.i on/2005/07/does_dalight_sa.html
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolut
daylight saving is dumb anyway.
Now I have to figure out how to actually set the clock in the car. Today, I just wait it out for half a year for things to sync up.
(kidding)
+++ UGUCAUCGUAUUUCU
"According to some senators, farmers complained that a two-month extension could adversely affect livestock"
+5 funny for CNN
"My girlfriend's got sodium laureth sulfate hair."
...but don't worry. Daylight Savings Pwnage is a common occurrence, within and without Slashdot.
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
Daylight Saving I always post this when the topic comes up. I'm a fan of Franklin and really enjoy reading this.
/plagiarism
Sweden changed the DST period few years ago. As far as I remember there were no big problems.
What I'd prefer is that they passed a law making the hours between 9:00 am and 5:00 pm shorter.
Next thing you know Bush will make us use a calandar based on how many days it has been since Jesus died. That would be absurd.
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Rather than complain about the dupes today, I'll use them to be insightful and funny. Besides, I like THIS thread more than that other one.
I'm all for giving up standard time.
We should just stay permanently on Daylight Saving Time.
All the BS about "kids going to school in the dark" and "more accidents" is just that - BS not based on any facts or numbers - just an invention by people interested in manipulating the time system for their own benefit.
* May vary dependig on your location, only applies outside of the USA.
#include "coucou.h"
(Until we follow you guys)
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
One reason to stay out of Hawaii: Electricity is expensive as hell.
Some areas don't use Daylight Savings Time and they seem to get along fine. Changing the time is more trouble than it's worth, so why don't we just get rid of it?
Kids actually trick-or-treat instead of throwing sometimes-frozen eggs at people in Halloween?
In my humble housing projects, kids do t||t, but I also see egg stains on the ground after every 'ween. I'd say more daylight is better, if only to stop the eggers that sometimes make me scared to leave the building.
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
I hae no idea why Congress thinks this thing will svae oil. Back when DST was invented, it was understandable. Now, we're different. Now we have people who work at any time during the span of 24 hours. We have 24 hour stores and there's more activity at night now then ever before. I bet that the existing DST does nothing to save oil now at this point. Sure, it's nice to have those extra daylight hours and what not but is it worth causing untold number of devices (regular desktops and servers will be fine, but it's the embedded stuff that is the problem now). Changing it now would not make a difference in oil usage.
Gorkman
The absurdity of fooling yourself by changing the clocks (not really unlike those that set their alarm clock fast so they are never late) reminds me of a former coworker, who came in later to work every day. One day he came in as we were leaving for lunch. Soon he came in on a Friday as we were all leaving for happy hour. Eventually he "lapped" himself and started coming in so late it was early the next morning, and eventually he came in at a normal start time of 8:00 or so. Of course, the trend continued and he just started coming in later again.
Timekeeping is one of those basic things that need to be put down, standardized, and kept that way. Forever. It's like latitude and longitude, they don't change it in Country X just to make their numbers look prettier, because it needs to be consistent all over Earth. No DST at all, and everyone using the 24-hour clock would be the best way to go around this.
I guess all those systems which have irreversibly tied themselves to the current daylight savings schedule and use calculations dependant on that for all their vital functions will be stuffed.
A nationwide search should be commissioned to find this device and a highly paid team of specialists should be on hand to go in and perform the vital emergency electronic surgery which would be required to save it.
I would think that it would take the Evil Empire about 30 seconds to distribute a patch for Windows, and I'm sure the Linux community could do it even faster and more stably. And the doom predicted by people who think that their children will all disappear due to the sudden rise in boogeymen will no doubt be disappointed. What will really torque my nut are my watches - they mostly all "know" when DST starts, and they will all be hosed!
Upton noted that the extension means daylight-saving time will continue through Halloween, adding to safety. "Kids across the nation will soon rejoice," said Upton, because they'll have another hour of daylight trick-or-treating.
:)
This is the silliest reason I've ever heard of. Energy consumption I can understand if the facts support that it will really make a difference.
Here in northern Michigan for our family at least we always wait for it to get dark before we go out. Maybe it's like having snow for Christmas, but it's doesn't seem like Halloween would be the same when you can see just how cheap all the costumes and decorations really are.
Also how would this affect livestock? How do they know what time it is? If daylight savings time is so great, why revert at all why not just move it forward the whole year and let Indiana print their own TV Guides.
Maybe we should start boycotting all /. dupes in an effort to bring attention to this pressing matter.
Err... wait.
Nothing disturbs me more than blind loyalism towards some unrealistic and over-idealistic notion of one's nationality.
As long as we're making arbitrary changes that are going to **** over the system right good, I think we should make William Saphire happy and stop supporting the penny. Minting pennies costs a lot of money, and after all these years inflation has made them more trouble than they're worth. Worse than worthless, really, as handling them is a burden on cash-handling facilities like banks and stores.
We should just round to the nearest nickel, as we currently do with half-cents.
That's my 2cents.
Are you kidding? Start minting mills!
If there is something to draw out of the recent energy bill is that politicians at least know that shit is about to hit the fan in a big way and those who prepare themselves for what's coming will fare much better than those who don't.
So what exactly is the cause of our impending doom? Peak oil, that's what. In other words the world is about to reach (possibly already has) the peak of sustainable oil production levels. Beyond this point we enter the right hand side of the gaussian curve of oil production. This subject has been beaten to death on various internet sites (just google for peak oil) so I won't repeat the reasons why a major adjustment is not avoidable. I'll just mention a few things one should do to make sure they are ready for the greatest emergency in American history:
- Get out of debt. Make sure your mortage is paid asap and lock your rates now. When the peak oil fallout unfolds debt collectors will likely be armed.
- Make sure you have a ready source of food. Befriend a farmer or get a job on a farm. Preferably a small self sustaining farm which is diversified in its production and does not rely totally on fossil fuel inputs. Organic farms are usually the closest to fitting the bill.
- Live close to your work place. This is sort of obvious but may be very hard to do for most people. Public transit will keep going at least a bit longer than private vehicles.
- Make sure you can make yourself useful after the oil crash. I doubt there will be very many positions for PR executives in the future, but this may actually benefit some geeks on slashdot as the need to fix all kinds of things and hack homegrown power supply systems (such as home made wind turbines) will be unprecedented. No more chucking old stuff on the curb once it develops a simple fault! The world will not be nearly as wasteful.
- Make sure the area you live can survive without significant oil inputs. Arizona isn't likely to be habitable after the oil crash. If you happen to live there it may be prudent to move now especially if you happen to own a property there as those will become next to worthless once the price of fossil fuels becomes prohibitive.
Anyway, the doomsday scenario may unfold involving wars, civil strife and famine or we may be able to gradually power down and switch to a more sustainable life style. One thing is certain though. It will not be business as usual in the coming years and a serious societal readjustment is coming and frankly, long overdue if you ask me.Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
The last time daylight savings policy was changed nationwide, I was at UC Berkeley. Instead of merely changing the relatively-hard coded savings times, they converted to using the zoneinfo library where they can specify how daylight savings occurs, and which years use which rules for each timezone (so given a UTC time in 1974, the library can cough up the equivalent PST time that was correct for that year). OS X and Linux both appear to use the same library.
Many of the packages are expecting the 1st Saturday/Sunday in April to have 23 hours and the last Saturday/Sunday in October to have 25 hours.
Do you really want the power grid to put into production a patch that hasn't been tested for many months ? ( Or do you want blackouts, or the cost to quadruple ? )
UPS Sucks
An article from Colorado's legislature suggests that the primary complaint from farmers is that "most agricultural activities are based on daylight hours as opposed to clock hours, and crops and livestock maintain their schedules regardless of the time reflected on the clock."
Because the farmers and their families would still have to work with their product during certain margins of the day to accomdate the plants, they would have to readjust their schedules to do non-farm things like shop for food, meet with a bank, etc.
In the case of agribusiness, they would have to readjust the schedules of their employees.
I have a nifty solar watch that sets itself based on the the broadcast signals from the atomic clock in Boulder, CO. It automatically adjusted itself when DST started, and presumably would adjust when it was supposed to end. now it's going to be all fucked up? Wonderful. Fuck you Legislative branch.
Question everything
All the more reason for Archer Daniels Midland to gobble up the last reniments of the small farmer. Their constant needs for subsides & this kind of nonsense is the last straw...
You're right. I already checked into Solaris. It is super configurable. You can define at what year DST begins and ends for any particular geographic region. And with flexible rules like "the third Sunday" and such. I have no question that Solaris will ride this out just fine with a patch.
Of course, making sure all the systems are patched, and everyone has the time zone correctly defined to begin with... that is the greater challenge.
One problem with *nix is that US and Canada time zones are intertwined. There are separate zones for Canada, but the Canada info is duplicated in the America folder for some idiotic reason. So if the time change goes ahead in the US, it will force people to fix the mess.
Oh well, what the hell...
While it would make individual farming harder, agribusiness entities like ADM would have to change their employee's schedules. This would make working for them less desirable, which in turn would raise wages, all other things equal.
On the other hand, if ADM had enough control over their workers -- by merit of their employee's lack of control over their own situations -- then they could make the employees just take the situation and deal with their new schedules.
Now I could be wrong, but this seems alot like a conspiracy theory.
Yes, that must be it. Make us work longer, make us not notice global warning, lighter days and such...
Or something...
Well, maybe not. But it certainly won't make people work longer hours; I think someone else has already said it, but I agree with them - people these days are prepared to work any hours. If people want to work extra hours, they will.
I admit I've pulled a few all-nighters, trying to get that last piece of C++ to compile bug-free for tomorrow's deadline. Ah, these are the best days of my life.
It's Daylight Saving Time, not Daylight Savings Time.
As long the operating system can handle both local time and Coordinated Universal Time, it should not be any problem. If the program saves every time in UTC, and when displayed, convert it to local time, the user should not need to be worried. As a European citizen we all have DST, and we manage easly, so why shouldn't those in the US manage too?
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http://www.standardtime.com/proposal.shtml Check out the proposed replacement for daylight saving time, which also shrinks the number of timezones in the continental US from 4 to 2. It seems to make a lot more sense overall than what we have now...
And that's easy...
It just means that I'll have a few more weeks each year of being woken up early by people calling from the mainland. Joy.
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
But how will I find an update for my gremlin? Will I have to be careful not to feed him after 11 for a few weeks? It's all so confusing!
Posted from the wireless couch.
Cthulhu for President! Why settle for the lesser evil?
And somehow they'd have to figure out what to do about flights into and out of Arizona, a no-DST state. If that same passenger needs to fly to New York to catch that London flight, that Phoenix flight would have to be adjusted also.
If that flight is adjusted, all the other folks flying to New York would have to adjust their schedules, potentially delaying or cancelling business meetings in the nation's fasted growing city.
Sure, you can adjust airline schedules, but some people are going to feel an effect.
What if we just went ahead 30min and just stuck with it and never change the time again.
No, your watch will be just fine. The DST/non-DST status is encoded in the WWVB data stream. See the NIST web site for details.
Oh, for heaven sake grow up folks. Living in a country (New Zealand) that has had day light savings for as long as I can remember, I can tell you that the worst that has happened is that I've forget to reset my alarm and slept in.
;-)
It is a little hard getting up an hour early in summer but you can sleep in an hour come winter. I do have to change my watch, clocks, VCR etc. We Kiwis use this change-over to also change our smoke-alarm batteries.
Both my Mac and Windows machines set themselves.
Yes, it is harder on farmers (we are a rural nation), but the livestock survives the change just fine - no cows explode from not being milked for an hour.
The extra hour of daylight in is much appreciated in summer - more time for sports and other outdoors activities (oh sorry I forgot where I was posting
Just a simple man trying to make his way in the universe, aye.
You know i've been thinking.. if people understood that we get longer days in summer and shorter ones toward winter because the earth's axis of rotation is tilted, then maybe we could just do away with DST altogether and just have different working hours for the March-November months.
Of course, the countries of the world that do change their clocks don't change their clocks at the same time. The EU starts DST on the last Sunday of March whereas we (currently) start ours on the first Sunday of April. Currently, we both end ours on the last Sunday of October.
If we're going to change how we handle DST, I'd recommend that we match the EU. I know that the idea of following the EU's lead is anathema to many of us, but hey, it's a small sacrifice and shows that we're willing to make compromises every so often.
Ben Hocking
Need a professional organizer?
then check "nature reviews - neuroscience" nr. 6 from may this year. on page 399 there's a great article about the problem of disrupted sleep patterns and their causes. with bad sleep patterns you have a high risk of cancer, a smaller brain volume, stress, neuroses, death on birth (of your child) anging, heart infact, and much more. and you have a 28% weaker immune system. i would say that there is no better way to stay healthy than good and enough sleep in the right rhythms.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
"The beauty of daylight-saving time is that it just makes everyone feel sunnier," said Reps. Edward Markey, D-Massachusetts
Let's start a campaign to do away with daylight savings time entirely. It serves no purpose. If people want to get up later or earlier then they can do that. Setting clocks ahead and back is silly.
Will anyone listen?
This is not a trivial issue. Observe . . .
Cisco devices, both IOS and CatOS based, use the 'summertime' command to compensate for daylight saving time (example). This means that a change in the DST setup would force you to upgrade code. For organizations with thousands of devices, this is less than easy.
Why upgrade to avoid an annoyance you ask? Because it's way more than an annoyance. Many cisco installations use kerberos to authenticate user logins (not just for management sessions, some RAS as well). Kerberos uses synchronized timestamps as a pre-qualifier for authentication, allowing for a clock drift of five minutes before denial. Without an IOS/CatOS upgrade The offset caused by this change would lock any and all Cisco administrators out of their network devices until someone could either remotely disable AAA via SNMP or worst case, locally knock the device off of the network to force a password-fallback (if thats not denied out of paranoia already).
Won't someone please think of the network engineers?
Only one dupe?
Let's see:
1. April 07, 2005
2. July 20, 2005
and now
3. July 24, 2005
I think that's kind of excessive. I'm sure someone can find other dupes of this article, anyways.
Here's a novel idea...
Quit fucking with it.
fast as fast can be. you'll never catch me.
I'm sure this will inconvenience/hurt(?) more people than Y2K, right? Congress, you just created a "disaster" worse than Y2K, what are you going to do next?
slow news week?
Chill out. This is supposed to be a technical discussion, not an opportunity for you to spew your venom and vitriol.
I turned my clock back a half hour... I'll never need to change it.
I have never understood why the shift had to be exactly 60 minutes. What is there so magical about 60 minutes ? Can't some statistician work for five minutes with a cosine law specialist and compute exactly what would be the optimum time shift ?
It's not like it would be much more confusing than what we have now, and besides, it only happens twice a year.
According to some senators, farmers complained that a two-month extension could adversely affect livestock,
This is dumn. Since when can bessie tell time? Besides, I thought farmers got up with the sun, not the alarm clock.
While they're at it they should officially change the name to "Daylight Savings Time", since that's what everyone already calls it anyway.
Australia had DST variations up to and including 2000 (for the Olympics in that instance).
Lotus Domino has a setting called "DSTlaw" where you can put custom start and ends.
Windows will need some kind of patch or update but that's not hard to do - we've had them in the past.
Given that 2000 was a one-off and we'd be changing back the following year, some computers ended up with an additional timezone "Sydney (2000)".
Don't know about other systems...
-- All your bass are below two Hz
Well, the radio signal does not include DST information; that's a "client-side" feature of the clock itself. Most clocks allow you to configure which time zone offset you wish, as well as to specify whether you want the clock to observe DST during the appropriate time of the year.
And therein lies the problem!
I can't exactly "patch" my clocks/watches with an update to handle this absurdity. These aren't exactly field-upgradable. If this goes through, rather than being zero maintenance, each of these timepieces will need to be adjusted 4 times per year!
(Yes--four--go count if you don't believe me: once to compensate for DST starting before the device thinks it should; again to un-compensate upon the traditional DST start; once more to compensate upon the traditional DST end; and finally yet again to un-compensate for the real end of DST.)
So count me as one, I certainly care!
everyone mentions OS's, and how they will handle. sure, they will handle easily, they can be patched, no problem.
what about my digital watch that accounts for daylight savings? my console video game systems and games with built in real-time clocks? my microwave? my tv? my alarm clock? over the years, these devices have become more complex to handle both date and time, and will automatically adjust themselves for daylight saving when needbe.
really, changing daylight saves will cause more problems then sollutions as far as i'm concerned.
So, we change Daylight Savings time to conserve energy by... um... making time more magical, I guess. And you're concerned about PCs and operating systems that need patching?
Come ON, now, those are just simple patches or, at worst, ROM flashing. Kid's stuff. Especially with auto-patching systems. Let's talk VCRs, TVs, microwaves, clock radios, watches, and any other common household appliances that keep track of time, auto-adjust for daylight savings, and don't have happy little USB ports, floppy drives, CD drives, or data ports to patch their firmware. Try patching those, then see if you're still willing to cry over your PC.
Of course, the user's got it easy. They just have to put the upgrade in once it's available (if it's available). The programmer suddenly has an extra option they have to check for amidst anything that does time checking. Again, PCs are the easy case. Appliances and embedded systems, not so much. Show me the VCR and TV manufacturers who'd be willing to replace people's appliances for free once this goes through. That oughta be a riot.
All I'm saying is, for all the productivity and time that'll be wasted on a purely psychological issue, this better be some REAL special magic they're gonna use to conserve energy.
Demanding constant attention will only lead to attention.
They have electricity in Hawaii now!?!?!
I see I get -1. Now that's truely American. Censor the people that are speak out on how dumb the US government is. I think I'm right on topic. I am discussing how the US affects the world and "Time" was just the starter.
I can get a job now!
all those faded drapes ?
Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur (anything said in Latin sounds important)
Since I can have an extra hour of light at the end of the work day. That means I can get out on my bike and get some miles in before dark. And before you fuckers suggest that I go in to work an hour earlier, I must tell you that I cannot. I work in television, and programming doesn't shift with DST. If something airs at 3pm, it airs at 3pm.
I agree. What kid EVER wants to trick or treat when it's LIGHT out? That's nuts! Kids would hate it because their parents wouldn't let them go out for another hour, instead of just after dinner, and they wouldn't get to stay out any later because of school hours not shifting.
More bureaucratic hot air, I say.
Wake up - the future is arriving faster than you think.
I just bought *two* $80 Honeywell programmable thermostats that are hardwired to keep track of the date/year and automatically adjust for daylight savings time according to the current DST rules. It would suck ass if they rendered the damn things obsolete with the stroke of a pen.
It would be SO much easier if EVERYBODY was on UTC. The "inconvienience" of figuring out when you should go to bed is worth the sacrafice.
Turn off DST and you reduce this to twice a year.
The thing that gets to me is how, whenever I read quotes about the reasons behind changing DST, they make it sound like we will have MORE hours of daylight. Everyone loves the idea of more daylight. If you want an extra hour of daylight, get up an hour earlier and go to sleep an hour earlier.
If you want the sun to rise earlier and set later in the same day, you need to drink the congressional kool-aid.
I don't think my Citizen Eco-Drive has a way to update the firmware. **&$&*#&@^!
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Give me LIBERTY, or give me a check.
I'm sure you all know, but America isn't the only country in the world, and other countries have DST, including mine, Australia. All that happens is a message pops up saying "You have entered DST" and an hour is taken off, everything's automatic. I'm sure it'd take about ten seconds to copy similar settings for the US.
One, it will really make a mess of our digital society creating a new type of Y2K problem.
Kids will rejoice for another hour of daylight? Usually trick or treating is down at night. Even if we did have an extra hour of daylight, consider the fact that it's after the equinox, meaning it's not going to be light out after 7pm for sure.
And like I said, it will really mess up our digital society. Back when they first did daylight savings time, we didn't have a computer society as we did now, so more than likely it was a minor inconvenience.
If you don't want children walking to school or waiting for the bus in the dark, there is a simple solution. It's called moving the school day one or two hours ahead that time of year.
And like others have said, employers can always stagger their employee's work days.
Give me a break.
Dude, I think I can see my house from here.
It seems to me Zonk is deserving of some sort
of medal or award or something for his continuing
and unswerving spurious ability to dupe.
His, is quite a talent indeed and I salute him. Even I, a somewhat brain damaged individual with a dubious memory subsystem, has noticed the amazing number of duplicate stories presented to us from the desktop of Zonk.
I hearby nominate Zonk as King of Dupage. Who will second my motion?
Something between the lines jumps out and bites your arm off. Soltan Gris / London
This could be good for our energy situation 'cuz that extra hour of sun each day will let us produce more corn, which we can turn into ethanol.
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"If you drove the 35 miles from Steubenville, Ohio, to Moundsville, West Virginia, and wanted your watch to keep the local time, you would have to change it seven times on the route."
There are areas where there's a huge volume of commerce and communication. The first that I heard about this proposed change was this week, and it looks like that may be the same for most Canadian legislators.
Time snafus can cause all sorts of problems, ranging from business meetings, manufacturing deliveries to ferry and aircraft schedules.
By the time Canadian parliaments and legislatures get on the ball and decide whether or not to follow suit, it will probably be September/Octopber. Parliament is either now on summer vacation or about to go. There's really no tie to sneak in this legislation before fall.
That could leave some people with about a month to reprogram their systems, switch schedules etc. etc.
The last thing you would want would be to have your insulin dispenser double-dose you because the clock changed at the wrong time (this is going to be more of a problem with Windows based software than Unix based).
It'll be interesting to se if Microsoft comes out with a zoneinfo patch for the millions of people still running '95, 98, NT and 2000.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
the US has DST too. we are not talking about just starting to use it. we have DST and manage easily as well, and have for many years. if you RTFA, you will see that we are talking about a CHANGE in DST, which will affect devices that have DST hard coded. you can now return to your regularly scheduled US bashing.
I was walking down the street one day, a man came up to me and asked me what the time was that was on my watch,
...
YEAH
And I said:
Does anybody really know what time it is
Does anybody really care
If so i can't imagine why
We've all got time enough to cry
(Title: Does Anybody Really Know What Time It is?, Artist: Chicago , Album: Chicago Transit) Authority)
-- let politicians decide what time it is... good idea...
WTF?
There may be quite valid reasons to dislike U.S. (foreign) policy, but this is really an internal issue. If the majority of the U.S. population suddenly decided to scrap any celebration of Christmas or any other somewhat coinciding or similar holiday, that would sure as hell affect export industries with some U.S. interest more. Just like Firefox gaining marketshare among U.S. users affect everyone, no matter where you're situated, who has been an "IE only" dumbass. You're not forced into anything. Not this time, at least.
Where I am (Australia), the main interconnected transmission grid just ignores daylight savings (and times zones for that matter) entirely. All transmission grid operations and generation disaptch are run to "Eastern Standard Time", which doesn't change during periods of daylight savings.
In states or regions of the grid that don't use this particular time zone, the clock on the wall just doesn't agree with "system time". The operators get used to it pretty quickly.
my only question is why change it whoat is the point. looks like the senate is just wasteing time.
~tuxmaster
If it's DST or NOT, it is not going to matter folks, employers will always want you to work 80 hours/week.
I rather doubt he will pleasure himself with a human anytime soon.
we ignore this.
sounds like a bad idea.
switching to a universal standard, like GMT or something similiar seems to be the way to go.
time is time, get over this crazy concept of time zones and the even more bizzare "DST".
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They brought the start of daylight savings forward in 2000 in Australia to give more daylight to the Olympics, I don't recall hearing of any problems.
Fuck Daylights Savings Time, Lets Go UTC!!
The applications I will have the hardest time with are Kid 1.0 Kid 2.0 and Kid 3.0. They are currently running in production for 8, 5, and almost 4 years. There is no way during the school year I will be able to get them to init 0 at 8:30 PM anymore during the school year.
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Your watch keeps track of what country / state you're in? When you travel, do you change a locale setting instead of just adjusting the time?
"Time is Time."
No, it isn't. Local Solar Time (sundials) is not Mean Solar Time (GMT), and neither of which are Atomic Time (TAI). UTC itself is a mixture of the three.
"You cannot change it."
Now now, just because you can't set your VCR...
"Countries like Canada may be forced to follow suit with the Americans because US tries to bulldog the the world conforming to their standards."
Not all the world follows the same time zone. Not all the US follows the same time zone. Hawaii and Arizona don't observe Daylight Saving time, the former is in the tropics where it makes litle sense (the closer you are to the "Equator," the more "equal" the amount of daylight in a day throughout the year), and Arizona is just being petulant. Indiana can't even agree whether or not to observe DST statewide.
Not even all the world follows the concept of dividing the world into integer time zones as the US does internally. Several of those oil-rich countries in the Middle East, the ones we apparently try the hardest to impose our will on, are a half-hour or even a quarter-hour off from their neighbors. And yet we still buy their oil just fine.
Not all Canadian provinces can agree on Daylight Saving Time today. The Mexican state of Sonora doesn't observe DST, but that's mostly because they border Arizona (but even there it seems Phoenix has more international influence than Washington).
Really, if we forced the rest of the world to conform to our "standards" (especially the ones we ourselves can't agree on), metric would be dead by now.
"Come to think about it, I think the USA had the 9/11 attacks coming to them. "
The terrorists can't stand our imperial DST ways? Can we say "tangent?"
Not necessarily. Clocks, including electronic ones, are sensitive to temperature changes and the correction for mid-summer may be different than the correction for mid-winter.
That effect might be minimal for a watch on an office worker, but an error of just one part in a million is 3 seconds/month.
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The official spelling is Daylight Saving Time, not Daylight SavingS Time.
Saving is used here as a verbal adjective (a participle). It modifies time and tells us more about its nature; namely, that it is characterized by the activity of saving daylight. It is a saving daylight kind of time. Similar examples would be dog walking time or book reading time. Since saving is a verb describing a single type of activity, the form is singular.
Nevertheless, many people feel the word savings (with an 's') flows more mellifluously off the tongue, and Daylight Savings Time is also in common usage, and can be found in dictionaries.
Part of the confusion is because the phrase Daylight Saving Time is inaccurate, since no daylight is actually saved. Daylight Shifting Time would be better, but it is not as politically desirable.
Sorry to be a grammar cop, but people should really get this correct. It's much like the whole hacker/cracker issue.
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C'mon, let's bring back more "Internet *" stuff! Remember "Internet Time" from Swatch?
I didn't think it was that bad of an idea, actually... it'd be great to see it on tvguide.com so I know exactly which time my favourite shows start. Comcast's tv guide has screwed up time zones before.
Imagine not having to worry about setting up a teleconference. Just say "@258" and not have end users that can barely use the "transfer" function on the phone saying "What? 2:00 my time or your time? What about Bob's time?"
Ugh.
It's like mod points on /. Use it or lose it! Yes?
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My PC's internal clock is in TAI (atomic time without leap seconds). I use the "right" time zones in the olson database ("right/America/New_York"). My apps use TAI or UTC (or Unix times) internally. My databases store datetimes in UTC [*]. I always say "DAYLIGHT SAVING" instead of "SAVINGS". I know the technical and political differences between GMT, UTC, TAI, UT (UT0 & UT1), and TT. Put a few beers in me, and I'll tell you all about TDB, TCB, and TCG too. I don't fear DST changes, because I don't use DST in any of my apps! If you learn all this stuff, you too will recognize DST as the useless political yammering it is.
Time zones (and therefore DST changes) are relevant in DISPLAYS (views, screens, output layer). Anybody who stores datetimes in an assumed timezone is asking for trouble. Anybody who stores times in such a way that Daylight Saving even matters, is asking for trouble. Anybody who stores three-letter time zone abbreviations instead of numerical offsets is asking for trouble. Anybody who does *calculations* with timezones is asking for MADNESS to set in.
When or if any DST changes come, I'll just upgrade the time zone tables and everything will continue to function normally. Maybe if I don't do it right away, a few screens in my app will show numbers off by an hour at 2-3am. But it doesn't matter what the instant of time known as 2006-01-01T00:00:00Z will be called in the future, I know my apps will work properly at that instant. Or any other instant. As long as the definition of UTC doesn't change, I'm good to go.
Sheesh. You'd think something horrible was happening.
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So why is it we can't just all use GMT?!
It's solve that "Your time or my time?" question. Sure, I'd be heading off for work at 9pm and getting home at 5am, but I could live with that.
Yeah, three days for you. Most people have learned by now that everyone responds to different stimuli in different ways.
Every fall, the combined effect of the DST change and my Seasonal Affective Disorder cause me to have erratic sleep patterns for weeks, if not longer. I have a hard enough time as it is establishing a "regular" sleep schedule (which may work for a week or two until an insomniatic episode throws it for a loop), and arbitrarily re-establishing what time it is doesn't help at all.
I see no reason why we can't just stay on DST permanently and forget this stupid clock changing bullcrap.
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I haven't adjusted for regular time in 4 years now. I've stayed on daylight savings time because I like it better that way in the winter. Now I'll be right for more than only half the year!
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Even in the new system the second Sunday in March 7-13 days before the equinox, while the first Sunday in November is 41-47 after the equinox. Conclusive proof that DST has ZERO to do with actual daylight.
And it will go away.
Actually for me, I don't even noticed it after the first 15 minutes. Do you travel to different time zones? Do you have the same trouble then? Maybe it's more the SAD than the time change itself...
Dude, I think I can see my house from here.
Time for a change? - USA changes their Daylight Savings Law
The USA has decided it's high time to take time by force. Just watch them, this time the US federal government is passing a bill that extends Daylight Savings Time into March and November, which gives American children about another 60 days to get up and go to school in the dark, while making sure business executives have more daylight hours on the golf course after dinner. "Supporters say extending daylight saving time would save about 100,000 barrels of oil a day because offices and stores would be open while it was still light outside and therefore use less energy." - boston.com "A government study [conducted in the mid-1970s] estimated the additional energy savings at the equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil a day, or about half of 1 percent of the nation's daily oil consumption." - suntimes.com When was the last time you saw an open store not using their lights when it was high noon? What business turns off lights when it is bright outside? Besides professional sports I can't think of one.
OK, I guess you have to start somewhere, and every little bit can help right? Well let's take a look at their numbers and put them into perspective. 60 days of savings X 100,000 barrels of oil = 6 million barrels of oil saved. How does that amount compare to what is typically used in the USA in a day? "Gasoline demand has averaged almost 9.5 million barrels a day over the last four weeks, 2.5 percent more than the same period last year." " Oil prices today are 46 percent higher than a year ago." - bloomberg.com
What that means is that after 60 days, the USA will have saved less than 1 day's worth of oil [using the conservative 100,000 barrels/day estimate from the 1970s study]. Is it worth it? Maybe.
If you consider the wild media claims that billions of dollars are spent every year after cleaning up after a computer worm or virus attack, the expense at reprogramming everything computerized that is time sensitive is going to be astronomical. The man-hours to reprogram everything is going to be much greater than any time wasted on malware. It's like a self-imposed Y2K problem that has already been fixed, and we're going back to tinker with it in the guise of saving oil. You could say that the US legislative branch has put in motion a ticking time bomb. This bomb is going to blow this November, and is a potential cash cow for Microsoft [a heavy Bush supporter by the way], IBM, and many other computer programmers. Although it will leave your "smart" VCR or DVD player guessing the wrong time for two months out of the year thanks to its hard-wired clock programming. And it will burden airlines with yet another scheduling nightmare to worry about. And hurt the Canadian transportation industry if we don't standardize our time with the new American DST system.
So this boils down to a huge waste of time, over an obviously insignificant amount of oil. Before the US government decided to plunge North America [and their other trading partners] into temporal chaos, it'd be nice if they considered the negative consequences of their actions. And it would also be nice if they took meaningful steps to reducing oil consumption such as strict fuel milage laws for new cars. But they don't have time for that I guess.
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Surely changes to something as commercially and technically significant as standard time zones have to be negotiated with partners in the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Regardless of what the U.S. Congress might like to think, negotiations are required to avoid penalties under NAFTA sections concerning cross-border trade and information sharing.
If the Manson family can do it, so can you :p
The bits on the bus go on and off... on and off... on and off...
What do you do if you ever have to get up early for some reason?
"Are some operating systems more open than others with regard to the configuration of daylight savings time start and end dates, or will we need yet another update or patch to modify the internal calendar" What a wanker, it not like you have to patch your own os, all you have to do is dl the patch.
Uhh.... daylight trick-or-treating? I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. I never trick-or-treated during daylight hours. It was always dark, my parents went with me to make sure I was safe. This is sad. Upton might as well said, "We have now just ruined Halloween nationwide."
...in the damn daylight!!! Not that I trick or treat anyway, of course......
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In short, specify what the time offset usually is relative to UTC, how much yer DST shifts the time by, when it starts and ends (time/day/month). It is flexible enough to define "the nth {day of week} of the month" such as 1st Sunday, 2nd... or last. Wheeeeee! Updates will surely follow in a GNU libc update in the near future.
I know you're being sarcastic, but many organizations whose workforce is scattered across the globe (such as the military) already do exactly this.
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I don't think so.
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The page I cited has actual numbers to back up its claims. You provide nothing with which to back up your claims. I think I trust that page more than you.
... it'll give people more of a reason to be active after work. Too many people get off of work at 5 and are stuck indoors by 6 for the rest of the day because that's when it starts to get dark during the fall/winter months. But in many states, it's not especially cold except between November and March. Giving people daylight until 8 or 9pm longer during the year will probably allow them to both save electricity and have more contiguous hours of free time during the weekend if they spend some of their new daylight hours getting stuff taken care of during the week.
Can't really see too much of a downside.
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However, on the other hand, the single counterexample given earlier completely invalidates your entire argument.
In fact, timezones themselves are stupid.
Everyone should be on UTC.
Who said that local Noon should be when the Sun is directly above our heads?
In fact, with time zones, the Sun can be directly above your head anywhere in the range between 1130 and 1230 (or even earlier/later, because time zones are not strictly longitudinal), and DST can increase the range even further.
In the "old days", each town/city had its own time zone, synchronized to local Noon.
The railroads were largely resposible for our current system of hourly time zones.
There are places on Earth today that don't follow the hourly convention, and are one-half, or even one-quarter, of an hour "off" the conventional system.
Why does the local day have to change when the Sun is on the other side of the Earth?
I could kind of understand this back in the "old days", when everyone went to bed at sunset, but in our increasingly 24-hour society, in makes much less sense.
What detrimental effects would there be if the day changed from Monday to Tuesday when it was light out?
When everything is open 24 hours anyway, I doubt that there would be very many.
Note that I don't mean that kids should be going to school in the middle of the night, etc.
In some locales, kids would go to school at 1100 UTC, in others, at 1700 UTC.
Note that they do this already; it's just that 1700 UTC may be 9 AM local time.
People's schedules wouldn't necessarily change vis a vis daylight and nighttime; only the time measurement would change.
If everyone used UTC, communications across time zones would be much easier.
(No more "Is that 10 AM East coast time, or 10 AM West Coast time?".)
People wouldn't have to reset their watches every time they visted Aunt Mabel in the next state over.
The International Dateline would disappear.
Oh, and since we would be doing such a massive change anyway, this would be the perfect opportunity to decimalize time (and it's about time that we decimalized time).
Just think: With decimalized time, most people would be working only 3.3 hours a day!
(On the down side, whenever anyone said "Just a minute!" or "Just a sec!", you would have to wait longer.)
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In Australia,* due to the Olympics, we started daylight savings a few weeks earlier in 2000. This meant that it would be on at a marginally more watchable time for Americans or something.
I can honestly say that we got on just fine. We needed to insist that some Windows computers change the date, but it didn't cause planes to fall out of the sky the way the 1/1/2000 did.
* Actually, in New South Wales, Victoria and the ACT. Everywhere else is on a different time zone/changes to DLS at a different time. But as everyone knows, Sydney==Australia, so my statement stands. (I went to Sydney last week for the first time, and they definitely seem to assume that Sydney==Australia.)
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We should get this worked out as soon as we get that whole Y2K thing licked.
Seriously, don't computers already have to deal with this every year? Haven't we done this stuff before?
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If you don't believe me, go driving across Miami at 6 or 7 pm the last Friday of DST, and compare it to the experience of driving at the same time the first Monday of standard time... or the next Friday or two (just to compare apples to apples).
In the winter, I rarely go anywhere after work... it takes another half hour to get home, and I'm too burned out from the traffic to even CONTEMPLATE making a non life-or-death trip across town at 8pm.
I wish Florida would join (possibly) Maine and go to year-round Atlantic Standard Time. Even on the darkest morning in December, we'd still have daylight by 8:30... and it would make evening traffic several orders of magnitude better in the winter.
I only work 3.3 hours per day now, but my boss don't know it!
What's really going to be hard will be things like watches that change for you. Embedded devices that have been built to automatically adjust for DST: VCRs, DVRs, thermostats, etc. Not all of them do, and many don't care what time it is, or you set it yourself, but the ones that do it on their own will need a major system flash, or the user to be aware of the issue and fix it themselves.
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I see I get -1. Now that's truely American. Censor the people that are speak out on how dumb the US government is.
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How were you censored? Your post is there for
anyone to read.
Getting a -1 does mean that people are bored with
posts from whiney fools. For a higher rating, try
not being a whiney fool for a change.
..every few years, extra time to party (or recover from said party). however, my brother's birday is at the other end of the year and he occasionally gets 23 hour birthdays, haha!
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It's just a single extra "s". Done have a heart attack over it.
Ok, don your tin foil hats campers, here goes!
1. Changes to time and time zones are one of the least anticipated changes to an OS. Just look at Y2K.
2. Most people don't update software if it still works to suit their needs. This isn't just the OS, but all supporting software.
3. Bill Gates wished everyone used the latest Windows OS.
Conclusion - Bill Gates isn't just pushing for changes to DST now, but for changes to time every 3-5 years to keep up with the release of new Windows OS's. Just watch as this change nearly guarantees that any business or person relying critically on Dos, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, and Windows 98 (which won't get patched anymore, iirc, and Windows 2000 joining them in the not too distant future) will be literally forced to buy new computers (Michael Dell is behind the conspiracy too) with Windows XP or better in order to operate under the new time changes.
That's the conspiracy theory at least. But, the conclusion of who will benefit is most likely a given, and that's just in the tech sector.
This change will have a serious economic impact, which will ripple across the entire world. It will weaken small and medium businesses that will be forced to upgrade, and strengthen big businesses that directly sell the necessary upgrades as well as indirect benefactors who will profit from their products being re-purchased or purchased to replace old software. (That old DOS inventory won't work on XP, you'll have to call Oracle for the latest software.)
My opinion is to get it over with and change over to the logical conclusion of all of this, Triangular Earth Calendar [TEC], which features a symmetrical and intuitive calendar, and decimal time without time zones.
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I'm all for simplifying baroque systems, but this doesn't seems like it would help that much. If, as you said, people would still get up in the morning and go to sleep at night, schedules would still be different everywhere, they would just be mapped to different numbers.
If I wanted to communicate with someone in europe from the West coast, I would know that since it's 800 UTC here, it's 800 UTC there, but the significance of that number itself would lose meaning. So what if it's 800 UTC? Does that mean the sun's up there? Would they be eating dinner?
In order to keep track of what 800 UTC means in different regions, we'd have to come up with a system of "zones" which could tell us approximately where the sun was in each region at a given UTC time, so that we'd know when it was okay to call, or whether they'd be doing business at 800 UTC.
Maybe we could call this system "time zones", or something. Though I like "chrono-differential sectors" better.
It requires a 2"-3" hole in the drywall between each stud, which means a lot of patching, but you don't have to tear down and replace the entire wall.
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What's stupid is the entire concept of Daylight Saving Time. In fact, timezones themselves are stupid. Everyone should be on UTC.
Lets say I want to call someone in a different country:
Current System: I know what timezone the person is in and add/subt. x hours to determine their time. I can know that it is not too early/late to call since I know that noon is esentially the same time everywhere.
Your System: I know that it is X o'clock everywhere but have absolutely no idea what the relative time is. It would be nice if I had some handy chart listing the time differences around the globe huh?
I'm getting all of my governmental warnings mixed up. Is this one where we should buy duct dape and plastic for our windows, or do we just stock up on bottled water? Please respond quickly because I'm sure the Home Depot is packed with people that already heard the news.
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I see there are already replies that cover "How will I know the position of the sun in some other part of the world, I won't know if they are sleeping, eating, etc." So I won't reply to that part. However:
When everything is open 24 hours anyway,
I live in a medium sized city (approximately one million population). However, almost nothing is open 24 hours. The grocery stores generally keep one register open from 10PM to 7AM. "Greasy-spoon" restaurants (Dees, Village Inn, and one other I can't remember) stay open 24 hours. Everything else is closed. Think you're going to catch that late movie and get some food afterward? It's not going to happen. Everywhere is closed by the time the movie is over.
I've also lived in small towns (pop: 15000). The only thing that stays open is the truck stop. A 24-hour world would be nice. However, it's a pipe dream.
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People who want a 24-hour world can find some semblance thereof in places like New York City (where everything except express service on the A line is available 24 hours) and Walmart (where everything except prescriptions and beer is available 24 hours). Heck, you don't even have to get that extreme. I live in a city of about 3 million - which is neither NYC nor Walmart - and in my neighborhood a good third of the hundred or so restaurants are open 24 hours.
Sounds to me like you have lived in some very backwater places. One million people ain't squat these days; there are settlements of one million people that don't even have subway systems, which to my mind makes them villages at best.
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With regard to blow-in insulation, you can sometimes get away with very little patching by using wide crown moldings. They look very sharp in the right kind of house.
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Most of the western United States (with notable exceptions: Denver, LA, Vegas, and a few other high-profile places) are exactly like I described. However, you truly brought a smile to my face when you described Salt Lake City as "very backwater" because you are correct. The requirement of a subway was interesting. Does Light-rail count? As for Wal-Mart, they close at midnight; though the new Super Wal-Marts are open 24 hours.
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Yeah, I've visited SLC now and then and wouldn't say it's exactly frontwater.
I don't think I can let light rail count because of my general animosity towards it. It costs ten times as much as simply putting in dedicated bus lanes set off from general traffic lanes by raised curbs or other barriers, and offers no conceivable advantage except emissions displacement (which is substantially mitigated by CNG buses). Light rail seems like something that municipalities do when they wish they had a subway (so that I would stop calling them backwater) but don't want to spend the money to dig tunnels.
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Think about what happens when the network crosses timezones and when data records containing time stamps go over the network. Data records should contain time in GMT and some indication of node-id (which would give you time zone) or the time zone itself. Mobile systems make it even more complex and more necessary to use UCT(GMT) internally. But GPS can provide enough information to help resolve ambiguities.
I once coded for an embedded system that used a time chip that tried to perform DST changes on the time chip. It turned out that if the machine should reboot at 1:30 of the morning when the clocks get turned back -- there was no way to tell which 1:30 AM it was, the first one or the second one.
Governments insist on playing with DST rules so computer systems (including embedded systems) should keep all time internally as a simple binary counter of ticks (seconds or microseconds for example) together with a notion of the time of the start of the epoch (zero ticks) and a configurable local time zone and DST rules. Do not rely on DST changing on some Sunday morning. Some months have 5 Sundays, so specifying the "4th Sunday in April" may not do what you want, anyway.
For embedded system that do not have to display date and time locally, dispense with the whole concept of DST.
Test your time software in Japan as well as London (virtually) as some code will break in that half of the earth.
To save precious memory space, you can store the year in a 1-digit field for five more years :-)
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The SAD definately has a large effect on it; however, it starts to affect me a few weeks before the time change. When the time change happens, any semblance of regular sleeping habit is thrown out the window. I haven't been to other time zones in a few years (can't travel when you can barely afford college...), so I can't say for certain that it would be the same, even though it's likely it would.
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As an American I find it amusing that we run our stuff on GMT, which is in Britain. And now I find out that the Aussies are running on a predominantly American time zone.
Besides, even if CommanderTaco had *deleted* the comment, it wouldn't be censorship. No government would be taking away your right to speak, a private party would be removing your speech from a system that they own! You want to complain about the US, get a blog.
Um... get up early? Seriously, were you trying to say something intelligent?
Well, if he can't handle the time change and getting up an hour earlier, what does he do when for some reason or another he has to get up earlier than normal? Like for an early appointment or something. Or if he has to stay up late and still get up at the same time the next morning?
The USA have been doing daylight saving times differently from the rest of the world for many years (like a lot of other things). Developers spend millions in aspirine every year due to that.
Now they take the burden to change their system, which will cost them an awful lot of money and will cause a lot of trouble of many an american man.
And yet! They make it different from the rest of the world, again. Both dates chosen are exactly off by one week. Now if you go through the pain of changing dates anyway, then what does one week matter, why can't one take the occasion to get a little better compatibility everywhere.
If it's good enough for energy hogs like Phoenix, then it's good enough for me.
And on a side note: When Congress starts talking about energy, be afraid.