If the Nazis had developped some of the technology earlier, in particular if they had won the race to the Nuclear bomb, we would have had a very different world indeed.
It's kind of funny ( in a really warped kind of way ) that several of the top people on the Manhattan Project were Jewish, some of them from Germany. If Hitler had picked someone else to try and exterminate ( or waited until after he won ) they would have been working on his project and he might have gotten it first.
> Of course, you neglect to mention that Indians started the custom of scalping.
Uh, no. Wrong again.
No, actually he's right. Scalping was a tradition of some indian tribes for centuries before the European s came over. Yes there was an attempt at revisionist history for a while with the whole "noble savage" thing, but it has been soundly debunked.
As far as murder and torture of prisoners go, the Indians take the cake. Look at the Mochtes, the Aztecs atc. Yes, I know they're South/central American, but torture to death of prisoners was more the rule than the exception throughout the Americas.
Not that this excuses the atrocities commited against the indians, but before you make some ignorant comment like "Wrong again", you might actually want to be right in the future.
However, I think we all realize the danger of a poorly implemented demo of Linux-powered PCs.
Actually, this could be as much fun as when they sold Commodore 64s at Kmart. Since the machines will prolly have a compiler installed, how long before someone types in compiles and runs:
int main() {
int i;
for (;;)
{
printf("Walmart sucks\n");
} }
Look at point nr. 9 for instance - "I tried 3 text editors, they didn't have it, so no common editors have it". That's nice, but KEdit does, for instance. It took me about 2 seconds to find after I read that.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding him on this, but every version of vi I've ever used does this as well. When you get to the end of the line, it doesn't insert a newline. The text wraps onto the next line, but it is still the same line. Am I not clear on what he's talking about, or is he not clear on what he's talking about?
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If you have to parse a bad xml file you will get into two states, one requires an infinite amount of memory, the other infinite amount of memory.
At least you're no worse off if you hit both bad states at once.;-)
I think I read it on CNN. I'll look it up when I get home. It's not like it's some big secret he's trying to hide. He's been very clear on the fact that he hates the FOIA on many occasions. The media just doesn't bother pointing out how important those 2 acts are.
At least the government is theoreticaly under public supervision.
They are fighting that tooth and nail though. Did you know that Bush wants his Department of Homeland Security to be immune from both the Freedom of Information Act and the Federal Whistleblowers Act? Could he state any more absolutely that he intends it to engage in anti-American, unconstitutional, and illegal actions?
especialy when it is in a situation where no harm can come to the users of the products.
Then you should be very happy about this proposal, since without it much harm will come to the customer.
No backup copies means you have to pay again if your cd gets scratched. This is bad for everybody except the record company.
No ripping your legally purchased CDs. This is also harmful. When you purchase the CD, you purchase the right to listen to that music in any way you see fit (short of in public performances).
Companies exist to provide benefit to citizens. Everybody seems to forget this. People start companies to make money, but the only reason to allow this is that it provides benefits to society at large.
Ummm.... whatever, dude. I think you need a nap, or maybe some chill pills.
That being said you pompus jack ass, until Congress gets around to creating affirmative rights of fair use, you do have to abide by what the publisher forces on you.
Ignoring the unprovoked flame, the simple fact is that we do not have to abide by shit. They can put anything they want in the EULA, but until it is tested in the courts it is worth nothing. You might feel that it is your duty as a good little consumer to obey whatever you are told by the big media companies, but as a citizen, I feel no such compulsion.
Luckily the courts have protected us against certain content companies attempt to restrict fair use (first sale rights, for example). Until that is extended to digital media, we are screwed and kept under oppressive DRM and EULAs.
No, until first sale rights are specifically *removed* from digital media by an act of congress (or more likely a constitutional ammendment would be required) we have these rights.
Got it? Thats the way it is.
Go ahead and be a good little slave if you want, but that is not the way it is for anyone with any self respect.
If MS wanted, they could force a piece of code into Windwos that would only allow MS approved software to run. Okay? Can we agree on that? That could happen TODAY. Without Palladium, this is possible TODAY. TODAY. RIGHT NOW. MS could issue a patch to Windows that would check binaries sums in realtime againt MS servers. Its a no-brainer, could be done in a matter of a few hours. But they havent.
Sure they have. Several times they have been convicted of it in court. Not for all non MS products, just certain ones. Had you bothered to actually read and comprehend the part of my post you quoted, you would have seen where I agreed that it most likely would not happen to this extreme. It ever happenning at all is bad enough though.
Third parties, selling all manner of applications, drive MS sales. If you realized this, we wouldn't have this patethically lame conversation, jackass.
Obviously this is true, but as soon as someone tries to make a product that will cut into MS's slice of the pie, or MS wants to get into a new slice then they have no incentive to allow the competitors product to run on their OS. They have been convicted of breaking other products in this situation. They will do this again. This is a simple fact.
Just because they designed it for DRM doesnt mean they designed it to be the media police. MS obviously wants hollywood to get in bed with Windows because it would drive more sales (people want digital content on their machines! and are willing to pay for it! imagine that!)
If you would actually use your brain for thinking rather than spewing unoriginal flames, you would realise that these two sentences directly contradict each other. *Hollywood will only get into bed with the media police.* MS wants to get into bed with Hollywood. Hence MS wants to be the media police. It is that simple. MS has been working on their DRM agenda for a long time now. None of their customers have ever asked for something that would restrict their rights to use files on their computer.
Everyone here, including your own retarded self, things that his means that in doing so unsigned code and content won't run. And thats just pure fucking fantasy. Its a little wet dream you made up to be able say that MS is evil, but taking away our MP3s.
Wow. It must really suck to be so full of bile. Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned anything even related to this? I'm so retarded that I can't seem to find that anywhere in my post.
Thats because that little lie was just fabricaetd to fuel your hate.
Since I never said such a thing, and the things I did say were said in a calm logical manner, I think it is clear who is fueling their hatred with lies. I hope that when you grow up you are able to overcome your blind hatred. Your life will be much better if you can.
Despite the occasional hacks, the various media players out there don't let you violate what the content publisher wants.
The media player has nothing to do with the issue. They just play the file. Doing other things with the file is the job of the hardware, the OS, or other programs.
Second, MS isn't accusing anyone of being media pirates. Palladium isn't about MS being the media police. It doesn't benefit MS to be the media police, and that's not what MS wants.
They are explicitly accusing *everybody* of being media pirates. The only reason for even considering DRM is the assumption that people are thieves. There is no other justification. Being the media police is what MS wants more than almost anything. Palladium was designed specifically for this purpose. The other supposed uses were thought up later, after the design was well underway. This was stated by the designers. There is obviously a huge benefit to MS to be the media police. If the publishers only release their content in MS's format, then they extend their monopoly.
It means if you buy or purchase "secure" content, you'll have to abide by what the publisher wants (which we already have to do!)
We most certainly do *not* have to abide by what the publisher wants. I can re sell a book I purchase when I've finished reading it. The publisher does not want this. They are forbidden both by law and by the realities of the situation to do anything about it. DRM is designed for the express purpose of enforcing what the publisher wants at the expense of free exercise of fair use rights.
With hardware enforced security, MS *could* use it to take complete control over your PC - allowing only MS tested and approved code. But that doesn't benefit them, and so, it won't ever happen.
Most likely, this extreme won't happen, but your argument is totally misleading. If they do it even once to one product from one publisher then it is not worth having. They have proven repeatedly that they are willing and eager to do exactly this.
# most common forms of trojans and backdoors will be effectively eliminated - assuming people don't set the PC to "trust all" sources
The stupidity of this goes without additional comment.
You are entirely wrong about the focus of Palladium.
You clearly have no fucking clue whatsoever about it given your ignorance of the stated goals of the designers themselves.
You can learn a ton from reading books about History but books about Math are more difficult to learn from IMHO.
This is true, but it is due to the difficult nature of the material being presented. There is a huge difference between reading *and deeply understanding* "George Washington was the first president of the US", and "A Function F from A to B is called continuous on a set A if and only for every open set C in F(A) ( a subset of B ) the inverse image of C under F is open in A."
The first is a simple statement of fact, the second is simply a definition. To understand the first takes almost no effort. To understand the second, you have to know and understand the definition of Set, Open set, Function, Domain, Range, Inverse Image, and Subset. You also have to put these concepts together in a new way and form some sort of picture in your mind of something it's impossible to take a picture of.
I'm not bagging on history, and I know that there are much more difficult concepts than my example. The point is that you can't "read" a math book. If you want to get anything out of it you have to take time to understand every subtle concept. Every sentence depends critically on almost every previous sentence in not just that book, but every book that came before. I took a graduate class in real analysis my senior year, and our book was about the size of The Catcher in the Rye. We got through about a third of it in the entire year. I spent a week understanding a single page from the book at times.
I never had difficulty learning the examples. I could do any problem pretty much that relied on the examples in the book. When I needed to apply something else that wasn't taught to the T in the book I had a bit of a hard time w/that.
This is the point of that thing called "learning". High school is one thing, but at college level, the point is that you are presented with concepts and you take those and apply them to new ideas in new ways. I know you are just doing it out of personal interest, rather than for a degree or something, but if you do want to take a step past books about math for the lay person, it does take a certain level of commitment.
Math for me is something that would have to be taught in a classroom not from a book.
A classroom setting might help somewhat in some areas, but even then it requires quite a bit of work to wrap your head around some of the concepts. Having other people to discuss it with makes a huge difference, but there is no way around spending time wrestling with some very abstract concepts.
I'm betting most of them just block by port and don't use anything sophisticated enough to block protocols regardless of what port they run on.
Well, Roadrunner appears to block *all* incoming connections as far as I can tell. I'm out of town on business, and I can't even ping my gateway let alone ssh. Traceroute stops resolving at least 2 hops short of it. It's possible I'm being a retard, so if you think so, let me know what to try.
Kind of like sex being legal but selling it isn't, at least here in the US.
Not true. There is no federal law against prostitution. It is legal in certain counties in certain states. The only ones I know about are a couple counties in Nevada, but there might be others. Strangely, the county Las Vegas is in isn't one of them.
If it turns out that the company saved 10k using MS Word (as opposed to maybe using a typewriter, or some other program)
A typewriter maybe. If the company used a basic text editor then they would have saved 50K because of all the wasted time fucking around with fonts and bolding stuff. 99.9% (made up on the spot, but probably not too far off) of all word documents would be better done without all the crap. Add in the bandwidth costs of emailing a 60KB attachment for 100 bytes worth of text and the savings go way down. The biggest advantage is that you can save the digital copy for later, but again, ascii is much much better than an ever changing proprietary format.
If we had to close down SSH, there wouldn't be any more working-from-home Fridays.:)
Sure there would. Telnet isn't that bad. You just have to have your login script change your password as soon as you log in remotely. If you can't remember to *always* log in to the console before you go to work, then the reinstall will prove a useful lesson.
And anyone who believes that inserting printf()'s into your code is any substitute for a real debugger is a fool.
Or, perhaps, really *really* freaking good.
Seriously though, I've only tried using a debugger a few times and it didn't help. I'm not a great programmer and know absolutely crap about compilers and debuggers. What's a good resource for learning more about them?
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Well, to be fair he did also try to exterminate gypsies, homosexuals, feminists and communists.
I've always known my sense of humor was warped, but when I busted up laughing at "to be fair", I knew it was over the top. ROFL
If the Nazis had developped some of the technology earlier, in particular if they had won the race to the Nuclear bomb, we would have had a very different world indeed.
It's kind of funny ( in a really warped kind of way ) that several of the top people on the Manhattan Project were Jewish, some of them from Germany. If Hitler had picked someone else to try and exterminate ( or waited until after he won ) they would have been working on his project and he might have gotten it first.
> Of course, you neglect to mention that Indians started the custom of scalping.
Uh, no. Wrong again.
No, actually he's right. Scalping was a tradition of some indian tribes for centuries before the European s came over. Yes there was an attempt at revisionist history for a while with the whole "noble savage" thing, but it has been soundly debunked.
As far as murder and torture of prisoners go, the Indians take the cake. Look at the Mochtes, the Aztecs atc. Yes, I know they're South/central American, but torture to death of prisoners was more the rule than the exception throughout the Americas.
Not that this excuses the atrocities commited against the indians, but before you make some ignorant comment like "Wrong again", you might actually want to be right in the future.
How long will it take you to learn WebObjects and be able to realize the $700 software investment in saved time.
;-)
I don't know, but a lot less than it would have taken to recoup the $50,000 it was going for up until about a year or so ago
What's the "i" for????
;-)
Well, it was going to be the loop counter before I remembered I didn't need it
Also your main() returns an int but you don't have a return....
All right smart guy. It was more the idea I was going for
However, I think we all realize the danger of a poorly implemented demo of Linux-powered PCs.
Actually, this could be as much fun as when they sold Commodore 64s at Kmart. Since the machines will prolly have a compiler installed, how long before someone types in compiles and runs:
int main()
{
int i;
for (;;)
{
printf("Walmart sucks\n");
}
}
Very well explain ;-)
ed.
I get it.
Thank
s.
Look at point nr. 9 for instance - "I tried 3 text editors, they didn't have it, so no common editors have it". That's nice, but KEdit does, for instance. It took me about 2 seconds to find after I read that.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding him on this, but every version of vi I've ever used does this as well. When you get to the end of the line, it doesn't insert a newline. The text wraps onto the next line, but it is still the same line. Am I not clear on what he's talking about, or is he not clear on what he's talking about?
If you have to parse a bad xml file you will get into two states, one requires an infinite amount of memory, the other infinite amount of memory.
;-)
At least you're no worse off if you hit both bad states at once.
I'd like to use Open Source everywhere, yet there are still too many things that I can use under Windows only.
Not arguing with you, not flaming, just curious:
Besides games, like what?
can you give a link to where/when he stated this
I think I read it on CNN. I'll look it up when I get home. It's not like it's some big secret he's trying to hide. He's been very clear on the fact that he hates the FOIA on many occasions. The media just doesn't bother pointing out how important those 2 acts are.
At least the government is theoreticaly under public supervision.
They are fighting that tooth and nail though.
Did you know that Bush wants his Department of Homeland Security to be immune from both the Freedom of Information Act and the Federal Whistleblowers Act?
Could he state any more absolutely that he intends it to engage in anti-American, unconstitutional, and illegal actions?
especialy when it is in a situation where no harm can come to the users of the products.
Then you should be very happy about this proposal, since without it much harm will come to the customer.
No backup copies means you have to pay again if your cd gets scratched. This is bad for everybody except the record company.
No ripping your legally purchased CDs. This is also harmful. When you purchase the CD, you purchase the right to listen to that music in any way you see fit (short of in public performances).
Companies exist to provide benefit to citizens. Everybody seems to forget this. People start companies to make money, but the only reason to allow this is that it provides benefits to society at large.
I laughed my head off at that part, while my girlfriend gave me a blank look.
Funny. I missed it and my girlfriend was laughing her head off.
Okay, lets get drop the gloves then, shall we?
Ummm.... whatever, dude. I think you need a nap, or maybe some chill pills.
That being said you pompus jack ass, until Congress gets around to creating affirmative rights of fair use, you do have to abide by what the publisher forces on you.
Ignoring the unprovoked flame, the simple fact is that we do not have to abide by shit. They can put anything they want in the EULA, but until it is tested in the courts it is worth nothing. You might feel that it is your duty as a good little consumer to obey whatever you are told by the big media companies, but as a citizen, I feel no such compulsion.
Luckily the courts have protected us against certain content companies attempt to restrict fair use (first sale rights, for example). Until that is extended to digital media, we are screwed and kept under oppressive DRM and EULAs.
No, until first sale rights are specifically *removed* from digital media by an act of congress (or more likely a constitutional ammendment would be required) we have these rights.
Got it? Thats the way it is.
Go ahead and be a good little slave if you want, but that is not the way it is for anyone with any self respect.
If MS wanted, they could force a piece of code into Windwos that would only allow MS approved software to run. Okay? Can we agree on that? That could happen TODAY. Without Palladium, this is possible TODAY. TODAY. RIGHT NOW. MS could issue a patch to Windows that would check binaries sums in realtime againt MS servers. Its a no-brainer, could be done in a matter of a few hours. But they havent.
Sure they have. Several times they have been convicted of it in court. Not for all non MS products, just certain ones. Had you bothered to actually read and comprehend the part of my post you quoted, you would have seen where I agreed that it most likely would not happen to this extreme. It ever happenning at all is bad enough though.
Third parties, selling all manner of applications, drive MS sales. If you realized this, we wouldn't have this patethically lame conversation, jackass.
Obviously this is true, but as soon as someone tries to make a product that will cut into MS's slice of the pie, or MS wants to get into a new slice then they have no incentive to allow the competitors product to run on their OS. They have been convicted of breaking other products in this situation. They will do this again. This is a simple fact.
Just because they designed it for DRM doesnt mean they designed it to be the media police. MS obviously wants hollywood to get in bed with Windows because it would drive more sales (people want digital content on their machines! and are willing to pay for it! imagine that!)
If you would actually use your brain for thinking rather than spewing unoriginal flames, you would realise that these two sentences directly contradict each other. *Hollywood will only get into bed with the media police.* MS wants to get into bed with Hollywood. Hence MS wants to be the media police. It is that simple. MS has been working on their DRM agenda for a long time now. None of their customers have ever asked for something that would restrict their rights to use files on their computer.
Everyone here, including your own retarded self, things that his means that in doing so unsigned code and content won't run. And thats just pure fucking fantasy. Its a little wet dream you made up to be able say that MS is evil, but taking away our MP3s.
Wow. It must really suck to be so full of bile.
Perhaps you could point out where I mentioned anything even related to this? I'm so retarded that I can't seem to find that anywhere in my post.
Thats because that little lie was just fabricaetd to fuel your hate.
Since I never said such a thing, and the things I did say were said in a calm logical manner, I think it is clear who is fueling their hatred with lies. I hope that when you grow up you are able to overcome your blind hatred. Your life will be much better if you can.
we already have DRM that is very secure-ish.
No we don't. not at all.
Despite the occasional hacks, the various media players out there don't let you violate what the content publisher wants.
The media player has nothing to do with the issue.
They just play the file. Doing other things with the file is the job of the hardware, the OS, or other programs.
Second, MS isn't accusing anyone of being media pirates. Palladium isn't about MS being the media police. It doesn't benefit MS to be the media police, and that's not what MS wants.
They are explicitly accusing *everybody* of being media pirates. The only reason for even considering DRM is the assumption that people are thieves. There is no other justification.
Being the media police is what MS wants more than almost anything. Palladium was designed specifically for this purpose. The other supposed uses were thought up later, after the design was well underway. This was stated by the designers.
There is obviously a huge benefit to MS to be the media police. If the publishers only release their content in MS's format, then they extend their monopoly.
It means if you buy or purchase "secure" content, you'll have to abide by what the publisher wants (which we already have to do!)
We most certainly do *not* have to abide by what the publisher wants. I can re sell a book I purchase when I've finished reading it. The publisher does not want this. They are forbidden both by law and by the realities of the situation to do anything about it. DRM is designed for the express purpose of enforcing what the publisher wants at the expense of free exercise of fair use rights.
With hardware enforced security, MS *could* use it to take complete control over your PC - allowing only MS tested and approved code. But that doesn't benefit them, and so, it won't ever happen.
Most likely, this extreme won't happen, but your argument is totally misleading. If they do it even once to one product from one publisher then it is not worth having. They have proven repeatedly that they are willing and eager to do exactly this.
# most common forms of trojans and backdoors will be effectively eliminated - assuming people don't set the PC to "trust all" sources
The stupidity of this goes without additional comment.
You are entirely wrong about the focus of Palladium.
You clearly have no fucking clue whatsoever about it given your ignorance of the stated goals of the designers themselves.
You can learn a ton from reading books about History but books about Math are more difficult to learn from IMHO.
This is true, but it is due to the difficult nature of the material being presented. There is a huge difference between reading *and deeply understanding* "George Washington was the first president of the US", and "A Function F from A to B is called continuous on a set A if and only for every open set C in F(A) ( a subset of B ) the inverse image of C under F is open in A."
The first is a simple statement of fact, the second is simply a definition. To understand the first takes almost no effort. To understand the second, you have to know and understand the definition of Set, Open set, Function, Domain, Range, Inverse Image, and Subset. You also have to put these concepts together in a new way and form some sort of picture in your mind of something it's impossible to take a picture of.
I'm not bagging on history, and I know that there are much more difficult concepts than my example.
The point is that you can't "read" a math book. If you want to get anything out of it you have to take time to understand every subtle concept. Every sentence depends critically on almost every previous sentence in not just that book, but every book that came before. I took a graduate class in real analysis my senior year, and our book was about the size of The Catcher in the Rye. We got through about a third of it in the entire year. I spent a week understanding a single page from the book at times.
I never had difficulty learning the examples. I could do any problem pretty much that relied on the examples in the book. When I needed to apply something else that wasn't taught to the T in the book I had a bit of a hard time w/that.
This is the point of that thing called "learning". High school is one thing, but at college level, the point is that you are presented with concepts and you take those and apply them to new ideas in new ways. I know you are just doing it out of personal interest, rather than for a degree or something, but if you do want to take a step past books about math for the lay person, it does take a certain level of commitment.
Math for me is something that would have to be taught in a classroom not from a book.
A classroom setting might help somewhat in some areas, but even then it requires quite a bit of work to wrap your head around some of the concepts. Having other people to discuss it with makes a huge difference, but there is no way around spending time wrestling with some very abstract concepts.
Must be a local policy.
I have RR in San Diego. Is that where you are?
I'm betting most of them just block by port and don't use anything sophisticated enough to block protocols regardless of what port they run on.
Well, Roadrunner appears to block *all* incoming connections as far as I can tell.
I'm out of town on business, and I can't even ping my gateway let alone ssh. Traceroute stops resolving at least 2 hops short of it.
It's possible I'm being a retard, so if you think so, let me know what to try.
Kind of like sex being legal but selling it isn't, at least here in the US.
Not true.
There is no federal law against prostitution.
It is legal in certain counties in certain states.
The only ones I know about are a couple counties in Nevada, but there might be others.
Strangely, the county Las Vegas is in isn't one of them.
your point makes sense
Well, it was more of a joke than a point really.
If it turns out that the company saved 10k using MS Word (as opposed to maybe using a typewriter, or some other program)
A typewriter maybe. If the company used a basic text editor then they would have saved 50K because of all the wasted time fucking around with fonts and bolding stuff. 99.9% (made up on the spot, but probably not too far off) of all word documents would be better done without all the crap. Add in the bandwidth costs of emailing a 60KB attachment for 100 bytes worth of text and the savings go way down. The biggest advantage is that you can save the digital copy for later, but again, ascii is much much better than an ever changing proprietary format.
If we had to close down SSH, there wouldn't be any more working-from-home Fridays. :)
Sure there would.
Telnet isn't that bad.
You just have to have your login script change your password as soon as you log in remotely.
If you can't remember to *always* log in to the console before you go to work, then the reinstall will prove a useful lesson.
And anyone who believes that inserting printf()'s into your code is any substitute for a real debugger is a fool.
Or, perhaps, really *really* freaking good.
Seriously though, I've only tried using a debugger a few times and it didn't help.
I'm not a great programmer and know absolutely crap about compilers and debuggers.
What's a good resource for learning more about them?
Hey, I moved in with my boyfriend the week after he got DSL. coincidence? I think not.
;-)
You and my girlfriend should get together for tea some time. I think you have a lot in common