Not to mention use the Windows 10 machine ONLY behind a hardware firewall that blocks all of the "Orwell-approved" spyware bullshit that MS keeps trying to spin as being beneficial for the user...
I'd love to do that when somebody asks for Windows help, but the money I make cleaning up Windows messes sure helps my retirement. I'm a retired sysadmin/support tech who did Windows for 20 years.. Now I'm retired and I use Linux, but I do get asked for help and when I do it, I charge when I provide "Windows Janitorial Services"... I also migrate those with use-cases that Linux is good for, to one of the Ubuntu spins..
Actually if you must use Windows, a program called Sandboxie is what you want.. It runs browsers (and just about anything else) in an isolated "sandbox". If you do pick up some crap on the browser, you simply close the browser and delete the sandbox. If you're on Linux, theres a program called Firejail that does the same thing.. Since I don't use Mac, I have no idea if theres something similar for it...
Wow, all this Sturm and Drang about a company screwing over its customers. Didn't you read the license agreements? ?
Heh.. I'd bet no more than 1 in a million users ever actually *read* that mess of legalese called the Windows EULA. I actually *did* AND had an attorney friend read it also.. His words: RUN! RUN AWAY FAST!.. His law office uses Windows 7, and after reading the Win10 EULA, he wanted NO part of it.. We're working on getting his office migrated over to Linux. There will be ONE air-gapped system running Win7 with MS Office on it, for the 1 in a 1000 document that LibreOffice chokes on..
Yup... Slackware being one of them.. Which is where I started my Linux "journey" back in 1994. I expect I will be heading there when my Ubuntu 14.04LTS installs go EOL.. Tried 16.04, aint goin' down THAT road... Bye Bye Ubuntu around 2019 or so...
Umm.. Nothing there on any of the links on that page... I've got a Nexus 4 currently rooted on the stock rom and would love to put CM on it... Guess thats out..
I wonder how long it will be before those of us who refuse to use corporate/closed-source operating systems on our computers will be put on a watch list by the government, and subjected to things that terrorists are subjected to...
As far as I'm concerned, you don't need a tin-foil hat to think that this may not be *too* far down the line...
Even I don't have any illegal stuff of any kind in my computers
How do you KNOW you don't have any illegal stuff on your computers? IF you use said computer for webbrowing, the predictive caching that all browsers do now load all sorts of stuff into the cache that you have ZERO clue about.. Not to mention malware pulling ghod-knows-whatever onto your system... Having played "Windows Janitor" for close to 20 years prior to my retirement, I'd NEVER say "I KNOW I have nothing illegal on my systems", rather "I *hope I have nothing illegal on my system", but then again I don't use Windows anymore either, so I have a slightly better feeling about "illegal stuff on *my* computers" than you, if you still use Windows...
hehe I'd say it was damn fucking IMPOSSIBLE to start trusting them now... Anybody who DOES trust them is either naive or an idiot.. Sorry if you're either one of those.. I dealt with their bullshit for close to 20 years as a system admin.. When I retired, I decided I was DONE...
MS can say they're turning a lot of that spyware crap off, but since Windows is closed source, you're kinda stuck with trusting them to be telling the truth.. I used/supported Windows as a sysadmin for close to 20 years, and when I retired in 2010, I decided I was *done* with using MS products. Frankly, I trust them as far as I can throw them... hint: not far..
Up to about 6 months ago, I used to wear of those cheap digital watches that Walmart peddles for ~$10. They'd last about a year, and I'd just go buy another one.. The last one I bought about 6 months ago, lasted about a month when I decided my phone shows the time, so why on earth do I need a watch? Haven't missed it..
My sister in law gave me a white box for Christmas that said "SmartWatch" on the label. Sure enough it contained one of the "smartwatches" that Walmart sells for $79, reduced from $139.. The tiny instruction manual that I need a magnifying glass to read says to charge it for at least two hours before using.. Well I'm here to tell you I left it on charge for over 10 hours and it is dead, Jim... Right now, we're figuring out how to get SIL's money back from this POS... Hopefully she can get her $$$ back.... Don't want another one..
OR tried the rollback, and had it shit the bed, leaving their system inoperable.. The ONLY people still using Windows are those who have no choice (at work/programs that won't work on Mac/Linux) OR just *think* Windows is the only choice for an operating system on a PC.. A lot of us who have used MS products for many many years (20 years for me, using/supporting it), are fed up with Microsoft and, at least in my case, when I retired in 2010, I deleted the dualboot Win7 partition on my home systems and haven't looked back. Watching the antics of MS, doing *all* of the tricks malware writers do to get their malware on to systems, and how they abuse those people who still use their products, amuses me no end...
OR... A bad driver - take Windows 10 (PLEASE!!) with Nvidia video, where you WANT to use the latest driver from Nvidia, but Windows 10/Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom want you to only use the craptacular "Nvidia" driver that is provided by WindowsUpdate. Said craptacular driver blows frequent BSOD's with the blame directed right back at that craptacular video driver. You can play whack-a-mole and keep trying to install the good driver from Nvidia and WU will keep taking it off and putting the craptacular one back on, until you get the brilliant idea to stop the WU service (if you're on Win10Pro..).. The alledged switch that supposedly tells Windows to keep its $#@#% mitts OFF your drivers, apparently does not work.. Sooooo flippin' glad I don't have to use Windows anymore as a daily driver.....
Yeah I get a lockup every month or so on Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04.. Strongly suspect its a bit flip somewhere in my non-ECC 8Gb of ram. Pity the laptop (Dell Precision M4400) doesn't do ECC...
My sister in law, bless her heart, bought me a Dell laptop for Christmas, actually a pretty nice Latitude, but it came with Windows 10, which I detest and will NOT use. Fortuately I carry a spare SATA drive in my backpack with Ubuntu 16.04 installed, and the first thing I did after making sure the battery was charged and the system would boot, was grab my screwdriver and remove the Windows 10 disk and put the Ubuntu in. She was kind of insulted at first, till I showed her what an improvement Linux was over the "turd_in_the_punchbowl" that is Windows 10. I'll hang on to the Windows 10 disk in case I have to call for support for any failed hardware, not that I expect any... Now SIL wants me to put Linux on her laptop.... Somebody's gotta say it FUCK MICROSOFT!!'
Last company I worked for before I retired in 2010, had a compute cluster of a bit over 100 Dell 1U servers running, at the time, RHEL3/4. One of my tasks at the time was to upgrade them from RHEL3/4 to 5.. I suggested going with CentOS5 to save some serious $$$. I was shot down, as the PTB decided that RHEL5 was the way they would go, AND each node would get McAfee AV. Cue me shuddering.. Fortuantly, the PTB got a quote from Redhat that apparently shocked even them and I was given the goahead to use CentOS5 and only put AV on the master node which would get ONE license for RHEL5. We also had several Precision workstations running Linux and I was directed to put McAfee on them.. WHAT a pain in the ass to get that piece of shit even working correctly.. Up to that point, I'd never seen AV on any Linux machine besides a mailserver to stop malware getting on any Windows clients...
Its called "Battered spouse" syndrome.. One spouse, often the man, but not always, beats the shit out of the weaker spouse, verbally abuses him/her, but said abused spouse won't leave the batterer because...reasons... In this case, the battering "spouse" is Microsoft and the weaker "spouse", the millions of abused Windows 10 users (and their support staffs) who won't leave Microsoft behind because.....reasons.... A lot of us, were we to be on the recieving end of MS's abuse wouldn't put up with it... and it is a growing number of *us*...... Windows 10 is the BEST advertisement for Linux possible!!!!
hehe Dumped Windows totally... Nothing but Linux... Its like what computing *should* be.... Feels pity for those who either are forced to use MS products or just think they have to....
Having dumped all MS products when I retired in 2010, and went 100% Linux, I sit back with a bowl of popcorn and laugh my butt off at how badly MS treats those unfortuate souls who *still* use MS products. Kinda reminds one of the "battered wife" syndrome where one spouse is abused by the other, but the abused spouse refuses to leave the relationship because..reasons.. Believe me if I hadn't already dumped MS products, I sure as hell would NOW, no matter WHAT, after seeing what a "turd_in_the_punchbowl" Win10 is privacy-wise and just plain MS abuse...
I've been in a few Jackinthebox restaurants that have a touchscreen order taking system, you touch what you want, insert your card, and voila!! food appears by a human in a couple of minutes... I gather with all of the b.s. about a $15 min wage, these will become MUCH more common.....
DDWRT-I still have a WRT54GL in use as wireless bridge. I have several machines in the living room that don't do wifi, and I didn't want to run Cat5/6 out there so I set my old faithful WRT54GL up as a wireless bridge.. Works peachy..
Unless you can get Windows 10 Enterprise, your business is Microsoft's business.. Even if you "castrate" Home and Pro, they still blab your business to Microsoft. And even if you *could* completely disable the spyware aspects of 10, how do you know that MS won't come along and turn it all back on via one of its updates? If you trust MS at all, you have your head in the sand.. The only way to win with Windows 10 is to NOT PLAY.... Let the MS apologists mod me down... It HAD to be said..
The reason for that I believe is that average "joe-blow" has ZERO idea of what a privacy TURD Windows 10 is.. All he sees is the -arguably- pretty UI and thats all he cares about.. Of course, when an update shits the bed, and he can't use his computer for hours/days, then THAT pisses him off. Then he calls me (or somebody like me) to come fix it.. Any time a media outlet tries to inform "joe-sixpack" about what a turd Windows 10 is, the MS trolls come out of the woodwork and pooh-pooh the issue..
Face it, its pretty much only us "Techies" who are aware of the shit nature of Windows 10...
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I'd change to that "Zero Experiences"..... Somebody's gotta say it... FUCK MICROSOFT!
Linux FTW... Been Microsoft-Free for 6 years...
Not to mention use the Windows 10 machine ONLY behind a hardware firewall that blocks all of the "Orwell-approved" spyware bullshit that MS keeps trying to spin as being beneficial for the user...
I'd love to do that when somebody asks for Windows help, but the money I make cleaning up Windows messes sure helps my retirement. I'm a retired sysadmin/support tech who did Windows for 20 years.. Now I'm retired and I use Linux, but I do get asked for help and when I do it, I charge when I provide "Windows Janitorial Services"... I also migrate those with use-cases that Linux is good for, to one of the Ubuntu spins..
Actually if you must use Windows, a program called Sandboxie is what you want.. It runs browsers (and just about anything else) in an isolated "sandbox". If you do pick up some crap on the browser, you simply close the browser and delete the sandbox. If you're on Linux, theres a program called Firejail that does the same thing.. Since I don't use Mac, I have no idea if theres something similar for it...
Wow, all this Sturm and Drang about a company screwing over its customers. Didn't you read the license agreements? ?
Heh.. I'd bet no more than 1 in a million users ever actually *read* that mess of legalese called the Windows EULA. I actually *did* AND had an attorney friend read it also.. His words: RUN! RUN AWAY FAST! .. His law office uses Windows 7, and after reading the Win10 EULA, he wanted NO part of it.. We're working on getting his office migrated over to Linux. There will be ONE air-gapped system running Win7 with MS Office on it, for the 1 in a 1000 document that LibreOffice chokes on..
Yup... Slackware being one of them.. Which is where I started my Linux "journey" back in 1994. I expect I will be heading there when my Ubuntu 14.04LTS installs go EOL.. Tried 16.04, aint goin' down THAT road... Bye Bye Ubuntu around 2019 or so...
Umm.. Nothing there on any of the links on that page... I've got a Nexus 4 currently rooted on the stock rom and would love to put CM on it... Guess thats out..
/puts on tinfoil hat
I wonder how long it will be before those of us who refuse to use corporate/closed-source operating systems on our computers will be put on a watch list by the government, and subjected to things that terrorists are subjected to...
As far as I'm concerned, you don't need a tin-foil hat to think that this may not be *too* far down the line...
Because they're saledroids masquerading as computer technicians....
Even I don't have any illegal stuff of any kind in my computers
How do you KNOW you don't have any illegal stuff on your computers? IF you use said computer for webbrowing, the predictive caching that all browsers do now load all sorts of stuff into the cache that you have ZERO clue about.. Not to mention malware pulling ghod-knows-whatever onto your system... Having played "Windows Janitor" for close to 20 years prior to my retirement, I'd NEVER say "I KNOW I have nothing illegal on my systems", rather "I *hope I have nothing illegal on my system", but then again I don't use Windows anymore either, so I have a slightly better feeling about "illegal stuff on *my* computers" than you, if you still use Windows...
and it's terribly hard to start trusting them now
hehe I'd say it was damn fucking IMPOSSIBLE to start trusting them now... Anybody who DOES trust them is either naive or an idiot.. Sorry if you're either one of those.. I dealt with their bullshit for close to 20 years as a system admin.. When I retired, I decided I was DONE...
MS can say they're turning a lot of that spyware crap off, but since Windows is closed source, you're kinda stuck with trusting them to be telling the truth.. I used/supported Windows as a sysadmin for close to 20 years, and when I retired in 2010, I decided I was *done* with using MS products. Frankly, I trust them as far as I can throw them... hint: not far..
Up to about 6 months ago, I used to wear of those cheap digital watches that Walmart peddles for ~$10. They'd last about a year, and I'd just go buy another one.. The last one I bought about 6 months ago, lasted about a month when I decided my phone shows the time, so why on earth do I need a watch? Haven't missed it..
My sister in law gave me a white box for Christmas that said "SmartWatch" on the label. Sure enough it contained one of the "smartwatches" that Walmart sells for $79, reduced from $139.. The tiny instruction manual that I need a magnifying glass to read says to charge it for at least two hours before using.. Well I'm here to tell you I left it on charge for over 10 hours and it is dead, Jim... Right now, we're figuring out how to get SIL's money back from this POS... Hopefully she can get her $$$ back.... Don't want another one..
OR tried the rollback, and had it shit the bed, leaving their system inoperable.. The ONLY people still using Windows are those who have no choice (at work/programs that won't work on Mac/Linux) OR just *think* Windows is the only choice for an operating system on a PC.. A lot of us who have used MS products for many many years (20 years for me, using/supporting it), are fed up with Microsoft and, at least in my case, when I retired in 2010, I deleted the dualboot Win7 partition on my home systems and haven't looked back. Watching the antics of MS, doing *all* of the tricks malware writers do to get their malware on to systems, and how they abuse those people who still use their products, amuses me no end...
OR... A bad driver - take Windows 10 (PLEASE!!) with Nvidia video, where you WANT to use the latest driver from Nvidia, but Windows 10/Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom want you to only use the craptacular "Nvidia" driver that is provided by WindowsUpdate. Said craptacular driver blows frequent BSOD's with the blame directed right back at that craptacular video driver. You can play whack-a-mole and keep trying to install the good driver from Nvidia and WU will keep taking it off and putting the craptacular one back on, until you get the brilliant idea to stop the WU service (if you're on Win10Pro..).. The alledged switch that supposedly tells Windows to keep its $#@#% mitts OFF your drivers, apparently does not work.. Sooooo flippin' glad I don't have to use Windows anymore as a daily driver.....
Yeah I get a lockup every month or so on Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04.. Strongly suspect its a bit flip somewhere in my non-ECC 8Gb of ram. Pity the laptop (Dell Precision M4400) doesn't do ECC...
My sister in law, bless her heart, bought me a Dell laptop for Christmas, actually a pretty nice Latitude, but it came with Windows 10, which I detest and will NOT use. Fortuately I carry a spare SATA drive in my backpack with Ubuntu 16.04 installed, and the first thing I did after making sure the battery was charged and the system would boot, was grab my screwdriver and remove the Windows 10 disk and put the Ubuntu in. She was kind of insulted at first, till I showed her what an improvement Linux was over the "turd_in_the_punchbowl" that is Windows 10. I'll hang on to the Windows 10 disk in case I have to call for support for any failed hardware, not that I expect any... Now SIL wants me to put Linux on her laptop.... Somebody's gotta say it FUCK MICROSOFT!!'
Last company I worked for before I retired in 2010, had a compute cluster of a bit over 100 Dell 1U servers running, at the time, RHEL3/4. One of my tasks at the time was to upgrade them from RHEL3/4 to 5.. I suggested going with CentOS5 to save some serious $$$. I was shot down, as the PTB decided that RHEL5 was the way they would go, AND each node would get McAfee AV. Cue me shuddering.. Fortuantly, the PTB got a quote from Redhat that apparently shocked even them and I was given the goahead to use CentOS5 and only put AV on the master node which would get ONE license for RHEL5. We also had several Precision workstations running Linux and I was directed to put McAfee on them.. WHAT a pain in the ass to get that piece of shit even working correctly..
Up to that point, I'd never seen AV on any Linux machine besides a mailserver to stop malware getting on any Windows clients...
Its called "Battered spouse" syndrome.. One spouse, often the man, but not always, beats the shit out of the weaker spouse, verbally abuses him/her, but said abused spouse won't leave the batterer because ...reasons... In this case, the battering "spouse" is Microsoft and the weaker "spouse", the millions of abused Windows 10 users (and their support staffs) who won't leave Microsoft behind because .....reasons.... A lot of us, were we to be on the recieving end of MS's abuse wouldn't put up with it... and it is a growing number of *us*...... Windows 10 is the BEST advertisement for Linux possible!!!!
hehe Dumped Windows totally... Nothing but Linux... Its like what computing *should* be.... Feels pity for those who either are forced to use MS products or just think they have to....
Having dumped all MS products when I retired in 2010, and went 100% Linux, I sit back with a bowl of popcorn and laugh my butt off at how badly MS treats those unfortuate souls who *still* use MS products. Kinda reminds one of the "battered wife" syndrome where one spouse is abused by the other, but the abused spouse refuses to leave the relationship because ..reasons.. Believe me if I hadn't already dumped MS products, I sure as hell would NOW, no matter WHAT, after seeing what a "turd_in_the_punchbowl" Win10 is privacy-wise and just plain MS abuse...
I've been in a few Jackinthebox restaurants that have a touchscreen order taking system, you touch what you want, insert your card, and voila!! food appears by a human in a couple of minutes... I gather with all of the b.s. about a $15 min wage, these will become MUCH more common.....
DDWRT-I still have a WRT54GL in use as wireless bridge. I have several machines in the living room that don't do wifi, and I didn't want to run Cat5/6 out there so I set my old faithful WRT54GL up as a wireless bridge.. Works peachy..
Unless you can get Windows 10 Enterprise, your business is Microsoft's business.. Even if you "castrate" Home and Pro, they still blab your business to Microsoft. And even if you *could* completely disable the spyware aspects of 10, how do you know that MS won't come along and turn it all back on via one of its updates? If you trust MS at all, you have your head in the sand.. The only way to win with Windows 10 is to NOT PLAY.... Let the MS apologists mod me down... It HAD to be said..
The reason for that I believe is that average "joe-blow" has ZERO idea of what a privacy TURD Windows 10 is.. All he sees is the -arguably- pretty UI and thats all he cares about.. Of course, when an update shits the bed, and he can't use his computer for hours/days, then THAT pisses him off. Then he calls me (or somebody like me) to come fix it.. Any time a media outlet tries to inform "joe-sixpack" about what a turd Windows 10 is, the MS trolls come out of the woodwork and pooh-pooh the issue..
Face it, its pretty much only us "Techies" who are aware of the shit nature of Windows 10...