I decided to see for myself if by taking a NON-default install of 10 would stop or at LEAST reduce the outbound traffic to the -listed in many places- MS sites.. I took a neighbors default installed laptop of 10Pro and a NON-default installed laptop of 10Pro (all privacy-switches OFF, local machine account) and loaded a remote packet capture tool on the firewall of my home network, where EVERYthing else on the network was either Android or Linux.. I put each machine individually on the network for 8 hours with the packet capture daemon running, saving all the chatter from each machine. After which I did a compare of the two packet captures.. Both were virtually identical.. That convinces me that there IS no way of shutting the bad stuff off a copy of 10 Pro.. Dunno about home or Enterprise.. I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet Home is the same, however I find it REALLY hard to believe that large corps are going to put up with the incessant "phone-home" crap from Enterprise.. But of course, us unwashed pleebs can't get Enterprise...
Yes I do.... Per my lawyer friend.. "RUN AWAY... RUN AWAY FAST..." Sorry that went over your head.. But I do agree that EULAs are written for (and BY) lawyers..
Really.. I discount anybody who says "I tried Linux and it didn't work..." Unless you've got some seriously WEIRD hardware, any of the more popular Linux distros are gonna work great.. Especially those who gripe about Windows problems and then also gripe that Linux doesn't work.. Umm, I think it might be YOU (the complainer) that is the problem vs Linux...
heh.. I like your comment "My present "Windows experience" consists almost totally of repaiing other people's update damage".. Thats me also.. I supported/used Windows for 20 years as a sysadmin, but when I retired in 2010, I decided I was done with using it on my personal systems. At the time I dualbooted Linux and Win7, and it was a piece of cake, and quite cathartic to fire up gparted and delete the Win7 partition.. Just for drill, I do keep a Win7 virtualbox vm, but I don't recall the last time I fired it up.. From the sound of the updates situation, and MS putting all updates into a big blob, so its impossible to see whats needed AND whats NOT, I guess I may as well just delete the VM also.. Of the friends/neighbors/family that I haven't been able to migrate over Linux, that is my only connection with any MS products any longer.. As far as I'm concerned, MS can FOAD....
No... Windows 10 is "free"... as in, we won't charge you $$$ for it, but we're gonna collect and save EVERYthing you do on the computer and sell it to the highest bidder AND government... Whereas, Linux is free (as in no quotes).... BIG difference, big enough to drive a bus thru.....
Even IF MS *did* make it opt-in, why in God's name would you trust them to abide by your choices? And sure, MS and their surrogates tell you to turn off, with those cutesy little toggle switches and use a local account, if their datamining bothers you, privacy-wise.. Hmm.. And you *trust* MS to actually turn OFF these things because you didn't take the "recommended"/default install?? Oh boy.. Dunno about you, but I trust MS about as far as I can throw them..
Dunno WHY I'm replying to an AC, but here goes.. Theres a lot of us (and MORE of us, as MS keeps on with their shitshow) that actually READ that EULA, and in fact, I have a close friend who is an attorney, who I asked to read it and give me his take on it, from a legal point of view, and I can sum up his comments in a VERY short manner... "RUN... RUN AWAY FAST..." Fortuantly, for myself, I gave up any use of MS products when I retired in 2010. Prior to that, I spent 20 years supporting/using MS products. I also used/supported Linux, guess which one I chose when I retired... Go ahead, I dare ya...
Holy Shit! I'd LOVE to see that.. A million small-claims actions against MS and its "turd_in_the_punchbowl"... Soooooo damn glad I don't do windows anymore....
Thats the trouble, an XPS is a Dell consumer-grade system, not one of the corporate models (Precision/Latitude).. I'm annoyed that Dell only ships Linux on consumer-grade systems, NOT Precisions/Latitudes.. Theres a significant difference between corporate models and consumer models, such as the consumer systems have off-shore script "support", shorter warantees and in the case of systems with Winblowz, endless bloatware.. At least the Linux models skip the bloatware... Thankfully...
I run Linux, usually Debian or Ubuntu on Dell Precision or Latitude laptops. My current personal laptop is a Precision M4400, Core2Quad, 8GB ram, 500Gb SSD. I bought it originally with a 320GB hard drive and 4GB of ram for $200 from the Dell Offlease website. Admittedly, the M4400 is getting long in the tooth, but since I'm retired, don't have a lot of spare $$$ laying around to buy something newer. Since I supported/used Dell corporate systems in my last couple of jobs as a sysadmin, I'm kinda particular about them... Bottom line: If you buy a Dell *anywhere* but on a Dell website, you're getting one of the consumer-grade Dell systems, with less warantee, offshore scripted "support", lots of bloatware.. Just not a good quality product like the corporate systems... My.02
The one time I've ever used either Lyft or Uber was when my flight home was super late, and I didn't want to bug the wife to come down to the airport to pick me up, so I grabbed a seat in the terminal, installed the Lyft app from GooglePlay, entered my info, and started the app to get a ride home. The app told me my ride would be at the pickup point outside the terminal in four minutes. I walked out to where I *thought* the pickup point was and watched my driver have to go around the parking structure, as I, apparently, was in the wrong place. A kind stranger asked "Uber or Lyft?... The pickup point is over on that side of the parking structure"... By the time I got there, my driver was just pulling up, and I apologized for making her go around once.. Put my bag in the trunk and got in, turns out my driver was this super-cute Russian girl, who come to find out, only moved to Las Vegas about 3 months before, and had the cutest Russian accent. She spoke pretty good English. Gave her a $10 tip and my fare from McCarran airport to home on the east side of Las Vegas, near Nellis AFB was only $24, including the $10 tip.. Did some checking, and found that taking a regular cab for the same distance would have been nearly $50 and NO tip..... I won't be driving for Lyft (or Uber) but if I need to get a quick ride somewhere, should my car break down, Lyft it IS....
Yup.. Since I'm retired, I was thinking about driving part-time for Lyft/Uber.. After discovering that I had to get THREE FUCKING BUSINESS LICENSES, one state,one county and one city, for a total out-of-pocket of close to $500/YEAR!, plus the wear/tear on the car and gas, I'd be making close to $12 WHOLE DOLLARS/HOUR..... FUCK UBER!
Good God, WHAT AN ABORTION!! If I want to run Linux, I'm going to run NATIVE LINUX.. I used/supported the Windows ecosystem for close to 20 years but decided I was done when I retired in 2010. Now its 100% Linux.. FUCK MS...
Probably the same thing I'm doing here.. Laughing my ass off at the shitstorm that is Windows 10.. Like the AC, I used/supported Windows from Win311 to Win7, but when I retired in 2010, I decided I was done with MS.. All of my personal systems had been dualboot Linux/Windows, and I did spend a lot of time in Windows, but I decided to cold-turkey when I retired.. One day I decided to end it once and for all.. I deleted the Win7 partition, and haven't looked back since... Now I just sit back with popcorn and watch MS abuse those who still use their products.. Great entertainment, let me tell you...
Call me paranoid, but I'd NEVER allow ANY MS software on any Linux machine *I* control. Just like using Windows 10, you can't audit who/what the OS is talking to, and what its sending to the "mothership".. In the case of MS porting Office to Linux, I would have the same concerns. For all we know, they'd put the "spyware" aspects of Windows 10 into Office for Linux so they could collect everything from Linux users also. To put it bluntly, I trust MS as far as I can throw them, which, being 66 years old, isn't *very* far.. I used/supported MS products for close to 20 years as a sysadmin, but decided I was done when I retired in 2010. Now its 100% Linux on my personal systems..
As much as I like Nvidia, if they try to stuff this telemetry shit on their Linux blob drivers, I'll be lifting my middle-finger at them and telling them to Fuck Off, like Linus did a while back. The lack of bullshit like this is a BIG part of WHY I use Linux exclusively..
Wish I had mod points... This is the most concise description of the monster that is Microsoft I've ever seen... Theres a growing number of us out here that are NOT PUTTING UP WITH THIS CRAP... MS is gonna have a seriously tough time "embracing/extending/extinguishing" Linux.. Oh sure, they could buy the two "big" Linux companies, Redhat and Canonical, but thats just a small piece of what Linux actually *is*... Somebody's gotta say it "FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!"
Annnd... Can you be *sure* that once you turn OFF the spy-ware, that MS won't push out an "update" that silently turns it back on? Or how can you even be sure those cutesy-tootsy toggleswitches actually *DO* anything? I used/supported MS products for close to 20 years as a syadmin, but when I retired in 2010, I decided I was *done* with MS. After seeing what a turd Windows 10 is, and how MS took a page out of the malware writers playbook on how to forcefeed Windows 10 onto as many computers as they could, my trust level of MS is non-existant..
WTF? Not every smartphone has fingerprint authentication... Those of us who don't play the "phone contract" game, using of the many MVNO carriers, and buy our own older phones, sure don't have fingerprint authentication. I currently have a Nexus 4 on Ting, and If some bozo flashing a fed badge told me to open my phone by fingerprint, I'd simply tell him "This phone does not have that, and you better get a warrant....." Of course, then he'd shoot me... America is now officially a police state.....
Ummm... based on those version numbers, I'm pretty sure you meant Mint not Ubuntu... yeah, I know Mint is based on Ubuntu, but Mint has its own version numbers and clever names.....
I flat refuse to get tied down with phone contracts, and also refuse to pay large sums of $$$ for the phone, therefore, I've always stayed with one MVNO or another, currently Ting, where my usual phone bill for two phones is between $25-$35/mo.. I'd previously used bottom-feeder phones bought off eBay, but decided I'd like a bit nicer phone, so I spent a whole $65 and bought a Nexus 4, rooted it so I could get adblock to work properly.. Couldn't be happier with it.. I snicker at those who are willing to blow northwards of $500 on a flippin telephone, then pay northwards of $75/mo to be able to use it...
I used/supported Windows for close to 20 years, starting back in the Windows 3.11 era. I retired in 2010, and at that time, I decided I was done with MS products.. Now all of my personal systems run one Linux distro or another. Its too much fun to sit back and watch/listen to the daily stories about the bullshit that MS now inflicts on those who, for whatEVER reason, *still* use MS products.. I laugh my ass off daily at these stories about how Windows 10 crashes, forces crap drivers onto systems, and shoves itself down unwilling users throats, and constantly vacuming up everything one does on *their* computer. I get the distinct feeling that MS now believers that *my* computer has become *their* computer, and they magnanamously let *me* use it.... Let me just say this: FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!!!
heh With all of the Linux distros out there, the "extinguish" part of that equation is pretty much IMPOSSIBLE.. Oh sure, MS could buy Canonical/Ubuntu, but that sure isnt gonna "extinguish" Linux... hehe I'd love to see them *try*... Having left the MS ecosystem completely about 6 years ago, I laugh my ass off at the bullshit MS pulls on those who still use their products...
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I decided to see for myself if by taking a NON-default install of 10 would stop or at LEAST reduce the outbound traffic to the -listed in many places- MS sites.. I took a neighbors default installed laptop of 10Pro and a NON-default installed laptop of 10Pro (all privacy-switches OFF, local machine account) and loaded a remote packet capture tool on the firewall of my home network, where EVERYthing else on the network was either Android or Linux.. I put each machine individually on the network for 8 hours with the packet capture daemon running, saving all the chatter from each machine. After which I did a compare of the two packet captures.. Both were virtually identical.. That convinces me that there IS no way of shutting the bad stuff off a copy of 10 Pro.. Dunno about home or Enterprise.. I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet Home is the same, however I find it REALLY hard to believe that large corps are going to put up with the incessant "phone-home" crap from Enterprise.. But of course, us unwashed pleebs can't get Enterprise...
Yes I do.... Per my lawyer friend.. "RUN AWAY... RUN AWAY FAST..." Sorry that went over your head.. But I do agree that EULAs are written for (and BY) lawyers..
Really.. I discount anybody who says "I tried Linux and it didn't work..." Unless you've got some seriously WEIRD hardware, any of the more popular Linux distros are gonna work great.. Especially those who gripe about Windows problems and then also gripe that Linux doesn't work.. Umm, I think it might be YOU (the complainer) that is the problem vs Linux...
heh.. I like your comment "My present "Windows experience" consists almost totally of repaiing other people's update damage".. Thats me also.. I supported/used Windows for 20 years as a sysadmin, but when I retired in 2010, I decided I was done with using it on my personal systems. At the time I dualbooted Linux and Win7, and it was a piece of cake, and quite cathartic to fire up gparted and delete the Win7 partition.. Just for drill, I do keep a Win7 virtualbox vm, but I don't recall the last time I fired it up.. From the sound of the updates situation, and MS putting all updates into a big blob, so its impossible to see whats needed AND whats NOT, I guess I may as well just delete the VM also.. Of the friends/neighbors/family that I haven't been able to migrate over Linux, that is my only connection with any MS products any longer.. As far as I'm concerned, MS can FOAD....
No... Windows 10 is "free"... as in, we won't charge you $$$ for it, but we're gonna collect and save EVERYthing you do on the computer and sell it to the highest bidder AND government... Whereas, Linux is free (as in no quotes).... BIG difference, big enough to drive a bus thru.....
I now refer to Windows 10 as "Windows NSA Edition". It's a STD for computers, A CTD (Computer-transmitted disease), if you will..
Even IF MS *did* make it opt-in, why in God's name would you trust them to abide by your choices? And sure, MS and their surrogates tell you to turn off, with those cutesy little toggle switches and use a local account, if their datamining bothers you, privacy-wise.. Hmm.. And you *trust* MS to actually turn OFF these things because you didn't take the "recommended"/default install?? Oh boy.. Dunno about you, but I trust MS about as far as I can throw them..
Dunno WHY I'm replying to an AC, but here goes.. Theres a lot of us (and MORE of us, as MS keeps on with their shitshow) that actually READ that EULA, and in fact, I have a close friend who is an attorney, who I asked to read it and give me his take on it, from a legal point of view, and I can sum up his comments in a VERY short manner... "RUN... RUN AWAY FAST..." Fortuantly, for myself, I gave up any use of MS products when I retired in 2010. Prior to that, I spent 20 years supporting/using MS products. I also used/supported Linux, guess which one I chose when I retired... Go ahead, I dare ya...
Holy Shit! I'd LOVE to see that.. A million small-claims actions against MS and its "turd_in_the_punchbowl"... Soooooo damn glad I don't do windows anymore....
Thats the trouble, an XPS is a Dell consumer-grade system, not one of the corporate models (Precision/Latitude).. I'm annoyed that Dell only ships Linux on consumer-grade systems, NOT Precisions/Latitudes.. Theres a significant difference between corporate models and consumer models, such as the consumer systems have off-shore script "support", shorter warantees and in the case of systems with Winblowz, endless bloatware.. At least the Linux models skip the bloatware... Thankfully...
I run Linux, usually Debian or Ubuntu on Dell Precision or Latitude laptops. My current personal laptop is a Precision M4400, Core2Quad, 8GB ram, 500Gb SSD. I bought it originally with a 320GB hard drive and 4GB of ram for $200 from the Dell Offlease website. Admittedly, the M4400 is getting long in the tooth, but since I'm retired, don't have a lot of spare $$$ laying around to buy something newer. Since I supported/used Dell corporate systems in my last couple of jobs as a sysadmin, I'm kinda particular about them... Bottom line: If you buy a Dell *anywhere* but on a Dell website, you're getting one of the consumer-grade Dell systems, with less warantee, offshore scripted "support", lots of bloatware.. Just not a good quality product like the corporate systems... My .02
The one time I've ever used either Lyft or Uber was when my flight home was super late, and I didn't want to bug the wife to come down to the airport to pick me up, so I grabbed a seat in the terminal, installed the Lyft app from GooglePlay, entered my info, and started the app to get a ride home. The app told me my ride would be at the pickup point outside the terminal in four minutes. I walked out to where I *thought* the pickup point was and watched my driver have to go around the parking structure, as I, apparently, was in the wrong place. A kind stranger asked "Uber or Lyft?... The pickup point is over on that side of the parking structure"... By the time I got there, my driver was just pulling up, and I apologized for making her go around once.. Put my bag in the trunk and got in, turns out my driver was this super-cute Russian girl, who come to find out, only moved to Las Vegas about 3 months before, and had the cutest Russian accent. She spoke pretty good English. Gave her a $10 tip and my fare from McCarran airport to home on the east side of Las Vegas, near Nellis AFB was only $24, including the $10 tip.. Did some checking, and found that taking a regular cab for the same distance would have been nearly $50 and NO tip..... I won't be driving for Lyft (or Uber) but if I need to get a quick ride somewhere, should my car break down, Lyft it IS....
Yup.. Since I'm retired, I was thinking about driving part-time for Lyft/Uber.. After discovering that I had to get THREE FUCKING BUSINESS LICENSES, one state,one county and one city, for a total out-of-pocket of close to $500/YEAR!, plus the wear/tear on the car and gas, I'd be making close to $12 WHOLE DOLLARS/HOUR..... FUCK UBER!
Good God, WHAT AN ABORTION!! If I want to run Linux, I'm going to run NATIVE LINUX.. I used/supported the Windows ecosystem for close to 20 years but decided I was done when I retired in 2010. Now its 100% Linux.. FUCK MS...
Probably the same thing I'm doing here.. Laughing my ass off at the shitstorm that is Windows 10.. Like the AC, I used/supported Windows from Win311 to Win7, but when I retired in 2010, I decided I was done with MS.. All of my personal systems had been dualboot Linux/Windows, and I did spend a lot of time in Windows, but I decided to cold-turkey when I retired.. One day I decided to end it once and for all.. I deleted the Win7 partition, and haven't looked back since... Now I just sit back with popcorn and watch MS abuse those who still use their products.. Great entertainment, let me tell you...
Call me paranoid, but I'd NEVER allow ANY MS software on any Linux machine *I* control. Just like using Windows 10, you can't audit who/what the OS is talking to, and what its sending to the "mothership".. In the case of MS porting Office to Linux, I would have the same concerns. For all we know, they'd put the "spyware" aspects of Windows 10 into Office for Linux so they could collect everything from Linux users also. To put it bluntly, I trust MS as far as I can throw them, which, being 66 years old, isn't *very* far.. I used/supported MS products for close to 20 years as a sysadmin, but decided I was done when I retired in 2010. Now its 100% Linux on my personal systems..
As much as I like Nvidia, if they try to stuff this telemetry shit on their Linux blob drivers, I'll be lifting my middle-finger at them and telling them to Fuck Off, like Linus did a while back. The lack of bullshit like this is a BIG part of WHY I use Linux exclusively..
Wish I had mod points... This is the most concise description of the monster that is Microsoft I've ever seen... Theres a growing number of us out here that are NOT PUTTING UP WITH THIS CRAP... MS is gonna have a seriously tough time "embracing/extending/extinguishing" Linux.. Oh sure, they could buy the two "big" Linux companies, Redhat and Canonical, but thats just a small piece of what Linux actually *is* ... Somebody's gotta say it "FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!"
Annnd... Can you be *sure* that once you turn OFF the spy-ware, that MS won't push out an "update" that silently turns it back on? Or how can you even be sure those cutesy-tootsy toggleswitches actually *DO* anything? I used/supported MS products for close to 20 years as a syadmin, but when I retired in 2010, I decided I was *done* with MS. After seeing what a turd Windows 10 is, and how MS took a page out of the malware writers playbook on how to forcefeed Windows 10 onto as many computers as they could, my trust level of MS is non-existant..
WTF? Not every smartphone has fingerprint authentication... Those of us who don't play the "phone contract" game, using of the many MVNO carriers, and buy our own older phones, sure don't have fingerprint authentication. I currently have a Nexus 4 on Ting, and If some bozo flashing a fed badge told me to open my phone by fingerprint, I'd simply tell him "This phone does not have that, and you better get a warrant....." Of course, then he'd shoot me... America is now officially a police state.....
Ummm... based on those version numbers, I'm pretty sure you meant Mint not Ubuntu... yeah, I know Mint is based on Ubuntu, but Mint has its own version numbers and clever names.....
I was hoping for Zippy Zebra...... sigh...
I flat refuse to get tied down with phone contracts, and also refuse to pay large sums of $$$ for the phone, therefore, I've always stayed with one MVNO or another, currently Ting, where my usual phone bill for two phones is between $25-$35/mo.. I'd previously used bottom-feeder phones bought off eBay, but decided I'd like a bit nicer phone, so I spent a whole $65 and bought a Nexus 4, rooted it so I could get adblock to work properly.. Couldn't be happier with it.. I snicker at those who are willing to blow northwards of $500 on a flippin telephone, then pay northwards of $75/mo to be able to use it...
I used/supported Windows for close to 20 years, starting back in the Windows 3.11 era. I retired in 2010, and at that time, I decided I was done with MS products.. Now all of my personal systems run one Linux distro or another. Its too much fun to sit back and watch/listen to the daily stories about the bullshit that MS now inflicts on those who, for whatEVER reason, *still* use MS products.. I laugh my ass off daily at these stories about how Windows 10 crashes, forces crap drivers onto systems, and shoves itself down unwilling users throats, and constantly vacuming up everything one does on *their* computer. I get the distinct feeling that MS now believers that *my* computer has become *their* computer, and they magnanamously let *me* use it.... Let me just say this: FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!!!
heh With all of the Linux distros out there, the "extinguish" part of that equation is pretty much IMPOSSIBLE.. Oh sure, MS could buy Canonical/Ubuntu, but that sure isnt gonna "extinguish" Linux... hehe I'd love to see them *try*... Having left the MS ecosystem completely about 6 years ago, I laugh my ass off at the bullshit MS pulls on those who still use their products...