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Windows 10 Update Broke DHCP, Knocked Users Off the Internet (arstechnica.com)
Microsoft has quietly fixed a software update it released last week, which effectively prevented Windows 10 users from connecting to the Internet or joining a local network. From a report on ArsTechnica: It's unclear exactly which automatic update caused the problem or exactly when it was released -- current (unconfirmed) signs point to KB3201845 released on December 9 -- but whatever it was appeared to break DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol), preventing Windows 10 from automatically acquiring an IP address from the network. There's also little detail on how many people were affected or why, but multiple cases have been confirmed across Europe by many ISPs. A Microsoft spokesperson has meanwhile confirmed that "some customers" had been experiencing "difficulties" getting online, but that's about it for public statements at present. However, a moderator on the company's forums has said the fix was included in a patch released on Tuesday called KB3206632.
Having fun in Satnav's involuntary public beta testing program?
But I couldn't get online.
They should just download a new fix from internet to make it work again. Yawn.
Is there anyone out there that is not yet aware that this is basically one giant beta test?
Always on updates................ How do people get the update fixing the update when you've broken their fucking network you dumbasses?
Despite their billions of dollars in resources, so many large organizations seem unable to provide even a modicum of quality control.
Where is the pride in producing a high quality product?
The stability and security of Microsoft products has always been (insert pejorative here), but this is getting really serious. They need to reassemble at least a small portion of the QA team that was flushed.
They've been soundly beaten in every area of innovation they've tried so all that's left is corporate lock-in of Windows and Office. If they continue to risk that monopoly revenue stream shareholders are not going to stand for it.
Captcha: upkeep
I had this same problem with several windows 10 machines, seems like restarting DHCP service (sometimes several times) to make it take an IP address. After that it sometimes work and sometimes fails requiring another service restart
A few "hopeless flesh bags" will be unable to "upload" their "entire digital footprint" to "foodstagram" for a few "minutes to hours" so yeah, we're "so sorry."
How's that Windows 10 working out for you all? :)
are typing up the patches, and two of them test it.
So the patch knocked computers off of the internet.
How are they planning on patching them if they can't access the internet?
What am I missing here?
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
...because for the first time in 2 decades there was a network issue? Typical Linux fags make a big deal out of a minor problem that got fixed rapidly.
Microsoft breaks user's ability to go online. Yet their fix is to go online and get the update.
I'll just go online and download the patch...ohhh waaaaait.
I run a computer repair company and saw this on 2 customer's computers. The fix was inconsistent too. Some responded to ipconfig commands, some didn't.
It Cleared out my Statically set Ethernet Connections on my NIC. I was confused that my Router told me I wasn't my static address. Logged into my Router GUI and sure enough there I was floundering with the wrong address. And then like others report, I had to restart my DHCP Service. And as a thing to note, Windows Network Troubleshooting actually worked for the first time, and said your DHCP Service is off and Fixed it. It ACTUALLY fixed it. Maybe this was all a test of their Troubleshooter.
I thought the sometimes flakey intel wifi card had finally gone.
I think I was affected by this. A release/renew fixed it until the next time I booted. I searched for a solution and found a suggestion to turn off fast startup which I did. I haven't seen the problem since then.
Windows 10: "It just wor*&3_!#dfr2($ carrier lost
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
This bug affected my windows phone (ya... I know...).
Connected fine after a re-start. Guessing that the problem update tried to patch things without a restart, and their testing protocol missed it.
Yeah, I had my Windows 10 machines go down a few weeks ago for bad WiFi driver updates. Rolling back solved it, and this one I fixed by rolling back also. Sadly, Windows gets network problems more often than ever few decades.
If you meant something else, hey, throw it against the wall.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
So I've been running win10 since it came out. Several different "broken" patches have been reported since launch. I have auto updates on, it does it's thing, the only time I had to be involved was with the anniversary update, I actually ran out of space trying to download it.
Why have I not experienced a single one of these broken patches? Is it regional? They fix or pull before it hits North America?
I don't get it, I'm not lucky or special, so what gives?
I can definitively say Windows 10 is not a Beta test!
No matter what some companies want you to believe, Beta means feature complete with just bug fixing and tweaking left to do.
Microsoft said on release that Windows 10 is not feature complete and they will get us the planned features as they are done.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
I saw it on 2 different PCs one wireless and one wired, fixed it by removing and reinstalling the NIC
I work at an ISP and we've been dealing with this for 4-6 weeks now. Of course customers tend to blame us why their Windows 10 computer won't connect to the internet, so we have to at least figure out a solution to keep them happy. A quick google brings up a solution where you clear a few caches to fix it. We've walked quite a few computer un-savvy people through the process, so it's not too difficult --just annoying.
If all else fails, add another if.
First time in 2 decades? What are you using, Intel Pentium(tm) math?
I charge $120.00 for each "minor issue" that I need to drive to a site to fix, about the same as the cost of Windows. I also include a DVD of a popular Linux distribution as a giveaway. It results in far fewer calls when people eventually switch, since I can remotely manage the PC a lot more securely.
Don't get me wrong, I love MSFT, they have kept me happily employed for many many many years. But when I needs things to work reliably, when the client is 800km away or for the family, I use Linux.
Windows is for making ME money, and the occasional game.
Step 1. Don't use windows 10.
Step 2. Updated what I found I needed before cumulative updates started.
Step 3. Secured my system and TURNED THE FUCK OFF automated updates.
My PC doesn't crash, it doesn't stop working.
Whenever I hear MSFT "pushing" out an update, I can't help but thinking about that in the context of a bowel movement. Same frequency, same quality, same usefulness, except nobody pays *ME* for my bowel movements, not even the fertilizer company.
And fix this bug - but they can't! They don't have an IP address!
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
I've fighting this my PC for the last few days. I can see my local network and csn ping IP adresses, but I cannot reliably access any other site on the internet. Windows 10 updates are getting to be real pain. Makes me think of switching all my machines to Linux more and more often
Maybe they can still access http://www.trumpet.com.au/inde...
Liberty - Security - Laziness - Pick any two.
Having dumped all MS products when I retired in 2010, and went 100% Linux, I sit back with a bowl of popcorn and laugh my butt off at how badly MS treats those unfortuate souls who *still* use MS products. Kinda reminds one of the "battered wife" syndrome where one spouse is abused by the other, but the abused spouse refuses to leave the relationship because ..reasons.. Believe me if I hadn't already dumped MS products, I sure as hell would NOW, no matter WHAT, after seeing what a "turd_in_the_punchbowl" Win10 is privacy-wise and just plain MS abuse...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
the only time I had to be involved was with the anniversary update, I actually ran out of space trying to download it.
They seriously don't think to check for sufficient free space before starting the download??
Glad I'm a long-time Linux user. Updating everything at once, having this be a relatively lightweight background process I can start and forget about, and not worrying so much about what a patch might break ... those are nice too.
According to a statement from Virgin Media, the issue affects "anyone who wants to access the Internet from a computer with the downloaded Windows 10 software update, regardless of the ISP."
Phew! I was really concerned that it might only affect AOL users.
We'll make great pets
Always on updates................ How do people get the update fixing the update when you've broken their fucking network you dumbasses?
Simple. You buy and install a server that can feed a pxe environment through bootp, and install the patches that way...
But if your going to all that trouble, it'd almost be less work to just maintain a Linux install on your machine.
In admin command prompt:
netsh int ip reset /flushdns
ipconfig
Presto.
You're thinking of RHCP, and it's being used to combat terrorists.
sig: sauer
Cons: You have no internet connection Pros: Finally Windows 10 doesn't spy you any more
There are a lot of states where damaging someone's property is a crime and makes you both criminally and civilly liable. Unfortunately all the normal ambulance chasers who would quite rightly file class action lawsuits are scared of the MS legal team and deep pockets. We badly need a software consumers bill of rights to cover all for profit software. In this day and age computers are a mature field where people spend much of their lives. It is about time that the government enact some legislation recognizing this and protecting the citizens from predatory and/or fraudulent software companies. Among those rights:
- Convert all software to be covered by copyright instead of patent law.
- Limit software copyright to 20 years or 5 years after it is no longer for sale or the day and date when it is no longer supported, whichever is first.
- Any software purchased by a consumer is covered by a standard set of rights that parallel ownership of a physical item where applicable or are spelled out in the bill of rights. EULAs are all illegal except between business entities.
- Right of resale is retained by consumer for the physical copy or license key of the purchased software.
- Consumer purchases allow unlimited installs by consumer on equipment they own or use. (Software must be removed from hardware prior to sale/donation).
- Software must function offline unless that functionality requires an online connection.
- Make it illegal for companies to remove functionality previously contained in software/hardware via update, except as a temporary security measure.
- Developers are legally required to provide security and functionality patches to fix bugs and security holes discovered either internally or by security researchers for 5 years minimum after date of final sale without any strings attached. (Failure to do so implies that they intended to defraud the consumer by selling a broken/unfinished/dangerous product and could require refunding all customers and criminal fraud liability.)
- Software updates should not be mandatory unless there is a clear, urgent reason for them to be. If a mandatory update causes the software to become unusable, the company must pay affected users $150/h spent dealing with the problem, cover cost of repairs, pay $60,000/year of lost documents (i.e. if it was 4 weeks since my last backup and all data since that backup is lost, developer is on the hook for $5000), and/or replace affected hardware, the combination of which is based on what it takes to get the system completely restored in a timely fashion.
- Online software licenses/keys/virtual goods and the like have value to the customers who hold them and can be traded/bought/sold/transferred/inherited etc. If a consumer pays actual money either directly or indirectly for a virtual commodity, it can be handled in this way.
- Source code for any and all software and back end servers for sale in the US must be provided to the library of congress in order to enjoy copyright protection. 5 years after that software is no longer for sale or the day that it is no longer supported, LOC should publish source code and the software becomes open domain.
Note this only affects consumer software. Businesses can still do all the licensing and other more flexible arrangements.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
I already answered this: https://slashdot.org/comments.... I'd type more, but my ancient iPad makes it difficult.
Some companies test crucial functionality before publishing updates. Maybe, once they've acquired enough means to do so, the company responsible for this product will too.
Dream on.
... then how do you download the update?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
most UEFI boards can do in bios updates some even can download and install on there own.
If your customer switches to Linux, how do you remotely manage him? With Windows, you can use LogMeIn. What's the Linux equivalent of that, or do you put all your customers in a VLAN?
....oops, they can't. One of the reasons why I shy away from DHCP, never works right.
It's like climbing out on a tree branch, then turn around sawing it off so that the only way to go is down.
Most if not all consumers use DHCP to get to the internet. If the update broke DHCP, how in the world did they download the fix ?
If you were to switch to IPv6, wouldn't you automatically get rid of this problem? Since DHCP6 is completely different from DHCP, and not a part of the same stack. That way, you can have them set the router to either take DHCP6 or one of Windows 10's privacy extensions
What part of fixing something rapidly not even coming close to refraining from breaking shit in production in the first place do you not fucking understand, dildo?
If you break core functionality in production with an update, you suck as a development house and need to re-evaluate your whole fucking existence; I don't give a shit how long your shitty code is in the wild; put that shit in a Dev environment and test the goddamn living daylights out of it until you figure out every which fucking way it could break...and then fix that shit and test it again....and again...and again, until your'e shitty code doesn't fucking break shit! There's absolutely no excuse for this steaming pile of shit. Windows has always been a polished fucking turd, but god damn...they forgot the fucking polish and seem to have taken a heafty liking to corn and mexican food with the way this shit stinks!
I work for a US-based ISP. I can tell you we were pretty sure it was a Windows update that caused many customers to get "The requested address is not valid in its context" errors when requesting leases.
Just wait for the version with real network support.
Except how does a granny update her computer if she can't get online? She'll need a tech at $250/hr and should charge Microsoft.
If any OS was designed from the start to be multi-user administered remotely, it was Linux considering its Unix legacy. Here's a primer. The short answer: bash shell. The long answer: bash + GNU utilities
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
You're thinking of the RCMP. They always get their man!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
That's a feature, not a bug.
VNC or ssh, dumbass.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Anything to bring up those abysmal security numbers, eh, Microsoft?
And I'm in Canada.
Is that using GPU pass-through? If so, doesn't that require compatible CPU/Motherboard support?
- Make it illegal for companies to remove functionality previously contained in software/hardware via update, except as a temporary security measure.
Even I remove functionality from software during updates. It is always in the category of functions nobody currently uses, has ever used and in many cases does not know about, removals have also occurred due to behavior that is inherently dangerous in some way but not security related dangerous.
Likely already illegal in some general ways to pull honest to god bait and switches... preempting bullshit EULA protections is probably sufficient.
Software updates should not be mandatory unless there is a clear, urgent reason for them to be.
Screw this. Updates must not be forced upon users for any reason.
Developers are legally required to provide security and functionality patches to fix bugs and security holes discovered either internally or by security researchers for 5 years minimum after date of final sale without any strings attached. (Failure to do so implies that they intended to defraud the consumer by selling a broken/unfinished/dangerous product and could require refunding all customers and criminal fraud liability.)
I've lost track of those reporting security vulnerabilities even going as far as publicizing their finds with stories making media rounds or report "bugs" that basically reduce to GIGO and are nothing more than a reflection of the rank ignorance of the reporter.
When you start talking about fraud and liability like this it might be worth carefully considering the repercussions in terms of lawyer enrichment and fucking over vendors especially small and open source vendors who can't afford millions of dollars worth of liability protection and a personal army of lawyers to defend themselves from clueless idiots who demand that their nonissues get fixed.
Don't create another ADA where the road to hell is literally paved with good intentions.
If a mandatory update causes the software to become unusable, the company must pay affected users $150/h spent dealing with the problem, cover cost of repairs, pay $60,000/year of lost documents (i.e. if it was 4 weeks since my last backup and all data since that backup is lost, developer is on the hook for $5000), and/or replace affected hardware, the combination of which is based on what it takes to get the system completely restored in a timely fashion.
Well this would certainly put an end to mandatory updates. Nobody would dare ever publish one for fear of instant death.
- Source code for any and all software and back end servers for sale in the US must be provided to the library of congress in order to enjoy copyright protection. 5 years after that software is no longer for sale or the day that it is no longer supported, LOC should publish source code and the software becomes open domain.
Giving the government proprietary source code that is not public seems like an extraordinarily dangerous move unfairly disadvantaging the public relative to intelligence agencies and criminal enterprise who undoubtedly would seek and gain access to such a treasure trove.
Just think what would happen when Office 2010 and Windows 7 are EOL'd and become free... They are "good enough" to compete successfully with future versions of these products so either they will never be EOL'd and never not be available for sale...
Or more likely businesses would likely say fuck copyright protection altogether and invest in super obfuscating optimizing compilers enforcing their IP forever by purely paranoid technical means. This would very likely extent to capabilities in related stacks such as displays, web browsers, processors and all manner of extra "trusted" bullshit throughout hardware and software to facilitate new found paranoia.
The end result is less transparency, less ability to fix shit with a debugger if y
Thanks to the power of the proprietor, you'll never know the answer to your questions even if Microsoft claims to tell you what happened. Without software freedom, you won't be able to get source code diffs that would let you recompile and verify the binaries Microsoft distributes. One of many reasons only the proprietor can trust their proprietary software.
Digital Citizen
Windows is a malware. Uninstall that asap.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
So if the Windows update knocks people offline, how can they ever apply the 'patch' as they cannot get online to get at it...
Aha, ka-ching! Of course, Mr Patel's PC Repairs down the road will do it for a small fee.
Thank you Satan Nutella.
It was the best way to prevent virii
I suggest we find a way to make this mess more expensive to M$ than the testing they stopped doing to increase profits.
Had to assign IP address manually then then once the laptop connected it set it back to auto. Seem to fix it but pretty inconvenient since I had to drive to my parents house to fix it
I got 99 problems but dhcp ain't one.
I use Linux on the desktop!
IPV6 is still broken even after the "fix" update.
I have been happy with Windows since 1998
Only with 10 have I considered moving to another os. Vista and 8 were quirky and needed work arounds, 10 is broken and a privacy trap.
Hmmmm, I wonder if it might be time to re-consider the decision to get rid of all the QA teams in the Windows group.
If you are doing CLI stuff you can have the customer ssh to your box with the port forwarding features and create a reverse telnet for you to access their system.
If you are doing GUI stuff you can have the customer ssh to your box and port forward VNC. VNC can use a non system account for authentication.
When an application owner needs help on a server, I have them run "screen" with -m and have them put my ssh key in their authorized keys file so we can look together at what they are trying to do.
Then how can they get onto the internet to get the fix for the patch to get online?
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The simplest fix is to open a command window then type ipconfig /renew . You might have to type it twice but it works for me...every single time I wake my laptop up from hibernation. Every time gets old fast.