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Nvidia Adds Telemetry To Latest Drivers (ghacks.net)

An anonymous reader shares a report on Ghack: Telemetry -- read tracking -- seems to be everywhere these days. Microsoft pushes it on Windows, and web and software companies use it as well. While there is certainly some benefit to it on a larger scale, as it may enable these companies to identify broader issues, it is undesirable from a user perspective. Part of that comes from the fact that companies fail to disclose what is being collected and how data is stored and handled once it leaves the user system. In the case of Nvidia, Telemetry gets installed alongside the driver package. While you may customize the installation of the Nvidia driver so that only the bits that you require are installed, there is no option to disable the Telemetry components from being installed. These do get installed even if you only install the graphics driver itself in the custom installation dialog.Further reading on MajorGeeks.

243 comments

  1. Does it track flesh tones? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will it report the percentage of pixels that are flesh colored?

    1. Re:Does it track flesh tones? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      It tracks app tiles so more hiding that you are playing Soft Pron Adventure.

    2. Re:Does it track flesh tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes it's good to be black.

  2. No Linux support? by cfalcon · · Score: 2

    Installing nvidia has always been a bit of a pain in Linux, with each distro having their own way of packaging the closed source drivers. I guess even THAT is a feature in backwards 2016.

    1. Re:No Linux support? by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Installing nvidia has always been a bit of a pain in Linux...

      In the *buntus (and I would presume Debian), it is very simple:

      apt-get install nvidia-current

      Or you can use the newbie-friendly GUI to install it.

      That said, I stopped buying NVidia cards about a year ago. The Open Source AMD driver is good enough for my needs (desktop, simple gaming, 3D modeling), and continues to improve rapidly. Now, I can add "respects my privacy".

    2. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, I can add "respects my privacy"

      For now.

    3. Re:No Linux support? by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Informative

      > apt-get install nvidia-current

      This can break you if your card doesn't work with the current version, I'm pretty sure.
      https://linuxconfig.org/how-to...

      My point, however, is that it can look simple in any distro, actually be complex, and is entirely different from distro to distro. I've seen issues updating initramfs, and issues doing whatever kernel dance is required- and in the cases where it works, it isn't because of nvidia, it's because of good packaging for that distro by someone.

      > Now, I can add "respects my privacy".

      The Linux version still does, though it may simply be by accident or an unwillingness to find a way to spy in each and every distro. Still, the general feeling is that the open source AMD driver is miles better than the open source nvidia driver (a fact not the fault of the open source devs, who nvidia treats like mushrooms, keeping them in the dark and feeding them shit). Obviously, if a future version has telemetry nonsense somehow, I simply won't buy the card, but that's an issue for a future me.

    4. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's always been a pain, except for the past decade or so. Honestly, if you're going to have an opinion, could you at least try to make it an informed one?

    5. Re:No Linux support? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      An informed opinion? What? This isn't Hacker News.

    6. Re:No Linux support? by prefect42 · · Score: 1

      Quite tidy in the RHEL world. ELrepo's packaging lets you do:

      yum install nvidia-detect
      yum install $(nvidia-detect)

      As you say, nothing to do with nvidia, entirely down the packager. Thing that keeps me using nvidia on linux is that their drivers are actually pretty solid. Dated experience with AMD was that features appeared and disappeared and changed between versions. Off screen rendering was hopeless, and we had far more machine lock ups requiring a visit to the machine. Open source AMD driver wasn't an option due to us needing features from the fglrx version.

      --

      jh

    7. Re:No Linux support? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      As much as I like Nvidia, if they try to stuff this telemetry shit on their Linux blob drivers, I'll be lifting my middle-finger at them and telling them to Fuck Off, like Linus did a while back. The lack of bullshit like this is a BIG part of WHY I use Linux exclusively..

      --
      THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
    8. Re:No Linux support? by n0w0rries · · Score: 1

      apt-get install nvidia-current, also works if you want to convert your notebook to a heater.

    9. Re:No Linux support? by Fedora23_Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Installing the driver on Fedora 24 is not too much of a hassle. But I prefer the Old school way and dkms

    10. Re:No Linux support? by myrdos2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. It's getting kind of ridiculous.

      Smithers: Do you know where I can buy some, uh... spyware?

      Shopkeeper: SPYWARE?! Everything is spyware! Operating system made of spyware! Browser made of spyware! Look! All computer made of spyware!

      Smithers: (picks up a graphics driver) I'd like to buy this.

      Shopkeeper: Only Bitcoin! (whispers) American money is made of spyware.

    11. Re:No Linux support? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's really too bad the Nouveau guys don't have more resources. The Nvidia drivers are already very problematic because they don't integrate very well and don't support the newer kernel features. My laptop goes haywire any time I switch from docking station mode to regular mode or back; it really shouldn't be like that in 2016. Nouveau drivers are integrated much better, but their performance is lousy.

    12. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just emerge --sync && emerge -auDNv @world && emerge -ac

      works pretty well

    13. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Open Source AMD driver is good enough for my needs (desktop, simple gaming, 3D modeling), and continues to improve rapidly.

      Sorry to say this, however that bolded part right there? I will consider that driver usable the moment you can "has been stable for a while", as opposed to a rapidly moving minefield in open beta. I made the error of buying AMD and before that ATI cards on the promise of usable drivers before, only to migrate back to the closed source NVIDIA driver shortly later - the fglrx driver has been "rapidly improving" for decades now, lets hope it will catch up sometime soon. However I am a power user, some of the applications I use run into edge cases that may not be well tested or just not a priority.

    14. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hacker news is a joke. But hey if you want to see opinionated people with business degrees argue with opinionated early-20-something self-titled entrepreneur and "javascript engineers" and think anything they say on their self-aggrandizing blogs is useful then hey... who am I to judge.

    15. Re:No Linux support? by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, unless there's enough backlash to make nVidia change their mind.. there's probably at most 2 years before AMD and Intel and every other video card manufacturer (are there still others?) hop on the "me too" bandwagon since turning down an essentially free income source is rather un-American. And any sort of user tracking is a potential income source these days.

    16. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You win a pink doughnut with sprinkles! And here, take this coupon for anything in the Android's Dungeon comic/game shop. You know the place!

    17. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to run dwaKUTT or whatever or else you'll take five minutes to boot!

    18. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gentoo/funtoo:
      "emerge nvidia-drivers"

      If that is too complex I recomend Windows 10. Then you get free telemetry AND the bonus of bying a new computer if some software f*cks up.

    19. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on your installer, and you only need concern yourself with what you use

      apt-get install nvidia-current (may be an underscore, I don't remember)

      dnf install akmod-nvidia

      emerge nvidia-drivers

      ...and so on

      Most distributions also offer a pretty GUI that you can use to click on stuff in case typing is too labor intensive. If you're someone with an IQ over 90, you can also take a few extra seconds to google a howto.

      If this is "too much of a pain" then you may want to consider installing a copy of Windows 10 Home. It has these nice pretty panels, and a menu too!

    20. Re:No Linux support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I need CUDA support. I'd love to see it happen, but I feel comfortable saying that it won't.

    21. Re:No Linux support? by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      it installs perfectly on the last mints but when i just got that gtx 970 i had to boot in safe mode to manually install it yea my worries here if i were a total modder and tweaker (in the non american sense of the word as i came to understand it) i am to believe this does not impact performance?
      this does not cost me one single g- , c-pu-cycle or fps ?
      really ?

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  3. The NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously has tremendous influence over American companies so you know how this data is being used. These constant data streams are a wet dream for spooks and other bad buys, despite how benign the companies claim they are. You might as well put a beacon inside anything you own with a network connection, because that is exactly what this telemetry business is all about.

    1. Re: The NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the mods weren't promoting the comments of low ID lusers, you'd be modded down for smoking meth with your "conspiracy theory" videos.

      Oh yeah, if you want to learn the truth go to YouTube, fuck...what's wrong with you?

    2. Re: The NSA by allo · · Score: 1

      Such Bullshit. Low IDs are getting as much modded as everyone else.

    3. Re: The NSA by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Low-ID user? Where?

      --
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    4. Re: The NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See parent.

  4. We probably should have a law for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not that we should ban telemetry outright, but in the very least, we should know what data is being reported.

    1. Re:We probably should have a law for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yay. One more box to click through on install. Do you prefer the variable names or the memory addresses to review?

    2. Re:We probably should have a law for this by Holi · · Score: 1

      I prefer to have a copy kept of whatever data is shared so I can, if I so desire, verify what is being collected.

      --
      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    3. Re:We probably should have a law for this by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

      Excellent idea. Why not start with Microsoft Windows 10. I have not been able to find a way of viewing the data that is sent to NSA ^W Microsoft.

    4. Re:We probably should have a law for this by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      Use fiddler and capture the traffic that is sent to vortex-win.data.microsoft.com and settings-win.data.microsoft.com.
      Ref: https://support.microsoft.com/...

      To see precisely what is collected and how to control that:

      https://technet.microsoft.com/...

      Full disclosure: I work for Microsoft as a platforms PFE supporting enterprise customers.

    5. Re:We probably should have a law for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soo, and what about the other bazillion sites you send information to? The stuff that is not readable? And what about the "unfortunate" ability you have given Windows to just "forget" all the settings you've made to protect your privacy as soon as you find it convenient?

      I thought not, asshat. Please DIAF.

    6. Re:We probably should have a law for this by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Not that we should ban telemetry outright, but in the very least, we should know what data is being reported.

      If we're going to go to the trouble necessary to have a law, let's also force it default off. The maker can always trick the user into turning it on during the installation process.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:We probably should have a law for this by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

      I use this to turn the streams off. The company has been really reliable for me and I use this myself.

      Spybot Anti-Beacon

      --
      "Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
    8. Re:We probably should have a law for this by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your sentiment, coward, I really do. I don't know if privacy settings are persisted through OS upgrades, and if it isn't then that is a bug.

      That said: It takes fortitude to stand up, use your real name, identify your employer, and then talk about an unpopular feature in your employer's products. I choose to do so. If you are going to personally attack me for it please be so kind as to extend the same courtesies, Coward.

      You asked for information, I provided it. Microsoft tells you what is in Telemetry. You want to see for yourself; I told you how. The "other bazillion sites" (your words) are listed in the second link I posted, as well as links for how to opt-in or opt-out.

      Internally Microsoft is crushingly strict about privacy and data protection. I didn't realize that until I started working here and saw it for myself.

      These are my own opinions, and not those of my employer.

    9. Re:We probably should have a law for this by CommanderRyalis · · Score: 1

      Not that we should ban telemetry outright, but in the very least, we should know what data is being reported.

      That's just crazy talk

    10. Re:We probably should have a law for this by praxis · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft was crushingly strict about privacy and data protection then:
      1) The default would be no telemetry done.
      2) The user could choose to opt-in to telemetry if they wanted.
      3) If the user wanted to opt-in telemetry they could choose to give blanket permission to send anything or could instead give permission to send only with approval for each payload after being able to inspect the data.
      4) Offer an interface for a user to delete all data Microsoft has collected about that user anytime they want, in perpetuity.

      As far as I am aware, they don't do any of those four. You have a pretty weak definition of "crushingly strict" where Microsoft collects information about all users with no opt-out, let alone do the real privacy-conscious thing of offering only opt-in. Maybe they do protect users' information with crushingly strict rules, but when they have such disregard for the four points above, which are really important if they want to convince their users they actually care about their users' privacy, then it's really hard to have faith that do care deep down inside once they have all that data.

  5. Pepperidge Farm Remembers by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For entertainment value, here's the Nvidia driver download page from 2001, with the driver weighing in at 6Mb.

    Compare with 15 years later, driver is now 300Mb....

    Software bloat at it's finest.

    --
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    1. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, a "driver" package is different than a "user experience" package that contains GUI tools.

      Remember, we live in a world where "Hello World" compiled in some modern programming environments results in 25MB worth of executable, library, and other code.

      I can say first hand that in at least one major, Top-10 CS program, students are taught to treat hardware resources as infinite.

    2. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In all fairness, the driver itself is probably only about 10 megs. The other 290 is the control panel, and that streaming service for nvidia shield that I don't have nor want but they install it anyway, and game specific optimizations for games I will never play, and probably for something with a physics engine that very few games use. There's probably more that I'm forgetting. But the point is, it's not bloat in the software you want, just bloat in the software you don't want but have no choice in installing if you want your graphics card to work since it comes bundled with the driver.

    3. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those old ass drivers worked with just one particular GPU. The new driver packages support a wide range. Not really a fair comparison.

    4. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even more bloated, you forgot to multiply by 8 when you converted from MB to Mb.

      Megabyte: Its recommended unit symbol is MB, but sometimes MByte is used.
      Megabit: The megabit has the unit symbol Mb or Mbit.

    5. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong.

      See : http://cafe407.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_search_read?grpid=10leJ&fldid=wqY&contentval=0000Qzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&nenc=&fenc=&from=&q=%C5%B8%BA%ED%B7%BF+%B5%E5%B6%F3%C0%CC%B9%F6&nil_profile=cafetop&nil_menu=sch_updw&listnum=

      Nvidia nForce 220D Integrated GPU
      Nvidia nForce 420 Integrated GPU
      Nvidia nForce 420D Integrated GPU
      Nvidia TNT2 M64/M64 Pro
      Nvidia GeForce2 MX 400
      Nvidia GeForce2 MX 200
      Nvidia GeForce2 MX 100
      Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 200
      Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 500
      Nvidia Vanta/Vanta LT
      Nvidia GeForce2 Ultra
      Nvidia GeForce2 GTS
      Nvidia Quadro2 MXR
      Nvidia GeForce2 Ti
      Nvidia GeForce2 MX
      Nvidia Quadro2 Pro
      Nvidia Quadro DCC
      Nvidia TNT2 Ultra
      Nvidia Quadro2 EX
      Nvidia GeForce3
      Nvidia TNT2 Pro
      Nvidia Quadro
      Aladdin TNT2
      GeForce DDR
      GeForce 256
      Nvidia TNT2
      Nvidia TNT

    6. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      For entertainment value, here's the Nvidia driver download page from 2001, with the driver weighing in at 6Mb.

      Compare with 15 years later, driver is now 300Mb....

      Software bloat at it's finest.

      Even more entertainment value: https://sourceforge.net/projec.... The libraries that get linked in/to are much larger now as well.

      --
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    7. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    8. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      No, the old drivers worked with more than one GPU.

      This is from 2001 page:"NVIDIA’s patented Unified Driver Architecture (UDA) – supports all products in single a [sic] driver binary".

    9. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Software bloat at it's finest.

      Bloat is an increase in size with no benefit to the end user. The graphics cards even at the lowest and most basic level are required to do far, and above all are capable of far more than they were in the past.

      Is it software bloat that we can now hardware decode h.264?
      Is it software bloat that we can now run arbitrary code at high speed?
      Is it software bloat that we can do massively parallel computations, run complex shaders and post processing?

      Yeah sure telemetry is worthless bloat, but the other 250MB of the modern driver package are far from it.

    10. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      Same for AMD as well, I finally cleaned out my driverstore folder a few months back (15 gigs of radeon drivers). Size went from 40MB to 300MB

    11. Re:Pepperidge Farm Remembers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      While you're right, they only had to work with a small handful of GPUs. Each family/generation is one GPU so don't count supported cards, count supported GPUs. They have had many generations of GPU since.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  6. Flood their servers with a botnet by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Figure out what they are reporting, then set up a botnet to flood their servers with false telemetry. They will get sick of it quickly.

    1. Re:Flood their servers with a botnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah economic sabotage is so much fun when you whip people into a paranoid frenzy about the bogeymen that sold them their surveillance hardware.

    2. Re:Flood their servers with a botnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the Linux version :) We will protest by complying... in our own way.

  7. Here's how to do telemetry properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. During installation, ask the user if they want to participate. Ensure that they will be able to view the data before sending it.

    2. When $crap happens or something else you want to measure: open a pop-up asking the user if it's ok to send the data. Show the data on the popup.

    3. If user clicks OK, new email opens with codified subject so it can be parsed automatically. Body of email contains said data. User inspects everything and hits send.

    4. Corp mail server receives the email, parses the subject, and forwards it to the telemetry server.

    1. Re: Here's how to do telemetry properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How will a user understand the data?

    2. Re:Here's how to do telemetry properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Repeat after me:

      NO... FUCKING... POPUPS... EVER... PERIOD...

      Can we please move on from this paradigm that the user wants to be interrupted by every damn little thing that happens?

    3. Re: Here's how to do telemetry properly by queazocotal · · Score: 2

      if you can't explain what the data is, you shouldn't be sending it.

    4. Re: Here's how to do telemetry properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How will a user understand the data?

      Most won't, but the geeks will; a better solution would be to simply replace telemetry with 'feedback to make the product better' and make it a visible option with no hidden phone homes that some underhanded companies do.

    5. Re: Here's how to do telemetry properly by Holi · · Score: 1

      I may not understand the data, but at least I can verify that it does not contain personal data it should not. Trust is not my default state, you earn it.

      --
      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    6. Re: Here's how to do telemetry properly by Altrag · · Score: 1

      There's a large difference between "can't" and "won't." They probably _could_ explain it but they just don't want to because your personal information is now their trade secret that they can use and/or sell at their discretion and certainly wouldn't want their competitors to get their hands on.

  8. Good Bye NVIDIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, this means that I need to replace my NVIDIA with something else.

    It was fun while it lasted - good bye NVIDIA and fuck off!

    1. Re:Good Bye NVIDIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a single nvidia chip will enter my house either. AMD will get my money from this onwards. Only way to stop this spyware madness is to vote by wallet.

    2. Re:Good Bye NVIDIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your puny wallet won't stop anything. The schlubs are such a tiny part of the economy (less than 20%) that they aren't noticed.

    3. Re:Good Bye NVIDIA by Holi · · Score: 1

      20% is a sizable percentage of a market. They would surely notice that loss.

      --
      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    4. Re:Good Bye NVIDIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That 20% requires unanimous action. Good luck getting 20% of that 20%...

    5. Re:Good Bye NVIDIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sick over these lastest developments. Microsoft decided to hve its new OS download and install these;Windows pulls some older package and proceeds to install the entire package.

      Of course, I was working on recovery, rebuilding OS, benchmarking etc. There is a delay period when the automatic install happens, and it caught me off guard. I was in immediate virus and defense mode, and noticed all kinds of files with digital signing, some signed with outdated certs, along with all of the 3d junk, streaming, etc. I proceeded to isolate and reinstall only to have the thing keep coming back.

      I really thought someone had compromised the bios in the video cards.

    6. Re:Good Bye NVIDIA by CommanderRyalis · · Score: 1

      Not a single nvidia chip will enter my house either. AMD will get my money from this onwards. Only way to stop this spyware madness is to vote by wallet.

      Until AMD realizes how much money they're missing out of. Then wait for AMD to announce their version of "customer experience" or whatever

  9. Pretty sure this would against EU privacy law by aepervius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am 100% certain that they would only be able to collect only crash data from EU citizen, as anything else, including usage or even something as simple as the percentage of pink pixel would break privacy laws and the right of correction.

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    1. Re:Pretty sure this would against EU privacy law by tomxor · · Score: 1

      I am 100% certain that they would only be able to collect only crash data from EU citizen, as anything else, including usage or even something as simple as the percentage of pink pixel would break privacy laws and the right of correction.

      The sample data from the article: http://www.canardpc.com/downlo... at a glance it looks mostly like detailed hardware info and then a list of all the games you own.

    2. Re:Pretty sure this would against EU privacy law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why doesn't collecting crash data break privacy laws? If watching a specific movie causes a specific crash, then the crash data will tell them exactly who watched that specific movie.

    3. Re:Pretty sure this would against EU privacy law by erapert · · Score: 1

      ... it looks mostly like detailed hardware info and then a list of all the games you own.

      For now.

      I, for one, will be considering very carefully AMD cards and open source drivers for my next GPU upgrade (I use Linux) and I will fully explain why to my wife, my brother, and all my friends and co-workers.

    4. Re:Pretty sure this would against EU privacy law by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Detailed hardware info could be a potential privacy risk, though a very low one.

      A list of games you own is likely very personalized. Everyone has their own preferences not to mention which specific games are installed at any one time out of a possibly large digital library -- even if nVidia can't read the full Steam or GoG or Origin or whatever libraries (and they probably can't -- at least not yet,) the subset of installed games at any one time could theoretically add a temporal component to an already quite personalized data set, even if its a relatively granular measurement, without having to send any additional information such as last login timestamps or whatever.

  10. its not always about tracking "issues" by tatman · · Score: 0

    Telemetry is also there to help product owners to determine which features of the software are used the most. It allows product owners to have a better understanding how their software is used over all.

    --
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    1. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't have a right to the data on my machine, even if you wrote the software that generates it.

      -- The End-User Manifesto

    2. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telemetry was also highly regarded (until a few years ago) to be voluntary with no hidden phone home connections (typical malware behavior)

      All this will do is make people reconsider what software they end up using.

    3. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't have a right to the data on my machine, even if you wrote the software that generates it.

      -- The End-User Manifesto

      But, it's ok to ask for it, after you explain what you are collecting. Taking something without asking is disrespectful and rude.

    4. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A boilerplate shrinkwrap EULA does not count as asking for it. There is no meeting of the minds.

    5. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using my computer without my permission is called THEFT OF SERVICES.
      Anyone want to crowd fund a class action lawsuit?

    6. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Mitreya · · Score: 3, Informative

      Telemetry is also there to help product owners to determine which features of the software are used the most. It allows product owners to have a better understanding how their software is used over all.

      It's a frigging driver. First, "product owners" should stop insisting on bundling 5 different crap software packages when all I want to download is a driver (not easy to get individually).

      According to TFA driver itself comes with telemetry too. But I am guessing that "driving of the hardware" is the most frequently used feature in that case. It's the only reason for getting that driver in the first place.

    7. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Give me a checkbox to disable it (even if it is enabled by default) and I'll not whinge. Make it a PITA to disable and I'm livid.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by richy+freeway · · Score: 1

      Anyone want to crowd fund a class action lawsuit?

      No.

    9. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If companies allowed me to install my own telemetry software on their systems to report back to me, it would be very helpful and give me a better understanding of how the company is run and how their products are developed. It would help consumers determine what features of the software the companies are putting their funding and effort towards the most.

    10. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Blue+Stone · · Score: 5, Informative

      So why do they make users consent to allow nVidia permission to collect "personally identifiable information" for the purposes of "deliver[ing] marketing communications" and collect "games and applications settings, performance, and usage data" although it is "not limited to" doing just this?

      3. CONSENT TO COLLECTION AND USE OF INFORMATION
      Customer hereby acknowledges that the SOFTWARE accesses and collects both non-personally identifiable information and personally identifiable information about Customer and CUSTOMER SYSTEM as well as configures CUSTOMER SYSTEM in order to (a) properly optimize CUSTOMER SYSTEM for use with the SOFTWARE, (b) deliver content through the SOFTWARE, (c) improve NVIDIA products and services, and (d) deliver marketing communications. Information collected by the SOFTWARE includes, but is not limited to, CUSTOMER SYSTEM'S (i) hardware configuration and ID, (ii) operating system and driver configuration, (iii) installed games and applications, (iv) games and applications settings, performance, and usage data, and (iv) usage metrics of the SOFTWARE. To the extent that Customer uses the SOFTWARE, Customer hereby consents to all of the foregoing, and represents and warrants that Customer has the right to grant such consent.

      That ain't just for "understanding" that's for exploitation and profit from "personally identifiable" customer data.

      This shit is spyware.

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    11. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why does almost any "product" that uses telemetry, morph into a steaming, fetid, pile-o-shit? Mozilla Firefox is a perfect example.

    12. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why does almost any "product" that uses telemetry, morph into a steaming, fetid, pile-o-shit? Mozilla Firefox is a perfect example.

      Easy, the tech savvy people disable telemetry, so the only data that gets sent back is the data generated by the, shall we say, less savvy (a.k.a. newbies and morons), so, that's what they target, because that's what their data tells them to do.

    13. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because of the gays! The gays ousted Brendan Eich, and now they're going to coronate Hillary and make you get GAY MARRIED!

    14. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Mitreya · · Score: 2

      Give me a checkbox to disable it (even if it is enabled by default) and I'll not whinge. Make it a PITA to disable and I'm livid.

      That's no good, though. These checkboxes tend to become "accidentally" re-enabled with every software update.
      The only solution is to remove telemetry from the driver and provide driver as a separate easy-to-find download (and then they can include what they want in add-on software).

    15. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they can probably get away with this kind of shit with mass-market embedded drivers, but GAMERS? no fucking way. the hate will be real, and it won't really matter if nvidia is the flavor of the month. postponing my own new card purchase pending an acceptable resolution to the forthcoming shitstorm. guess my old radeon card will have to live on for awhile.

    16. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by stooo · · Score: 1

      >>Telemetry was also highly regarded (until a few years ago)
      You probably don't use MS Software, do you ?

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    17. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent AC is probably still stuck on Windows 7 for all we know.

    18. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      A boilerplate shrinkwrap EULA does not count as asking for it. There is no meeting of the minds.

      Sorry, you'll have to supply case law for your claim. Brief research indicates there is case law ruling in favor and against whether EULA's are enforceable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    19. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Give me a checkbox to disable it (even if it is enabled by default) and I'll not whinge. Make it a PITA to disable and I'm livid.

      You can 1) complain to the manufacturer of the product or 2) switch to a competing product. That's the beauty of free markets. Vote with thy wallet.

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    20. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      This shit is spyware.

      Here is who you register your complaint with: https://www.eff.org/

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    21. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      may as well tell it to your dog for all the good reporting it to them would do.

    22. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Altrag · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Until all competing products do the same thing. Then all you're left with is complaints. And make no mistake, if this is determined to be a success (or at least not a big disaster) then its almost certain the rest of the industry will follow suit, sooner or later.

      nVidia is risking pissing us all off by this move while their competitors aren't, but AMD would be risking essentially nothing if they do the same thing in a couple months since there's not really any other options for people to move to. Intel's a very distant third place and not really attempting to compete at the cutting edge. Whoever is below Intel isn't even worth discussing at this point.

      A low-competition market doesn't have to be an actual oligopoly to screw over their customers. Sometimes it just takes one producer to risk pulling the trigger on something only-kind-of-bad and everyone just follows along if the action shows overall benefit to the bottom line. This scenario might not get away with actions as bad as a true oligopoly but it can still fall well into the "not good" category.

    23. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Telemetry used to be about diagnosing issues and improving software.

      "Telemetry" as we see it today is rarely about those things. Its mostly about gathering user information for sale to third parties (primarily advertisers.)

      So its hardly surprising that trust in "telemetry" has degraded as the term has more come to imply "personalized ads" rather than "improved experience." In fact most people consider the addition of ads to software (personalized or otherwise) to be the exact opposite of an improved user experience.

    24. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Until all competing products do the same thing. Then all you're left with is complaints. And make no mistake, if this is determined to be a success (or at least not a big disaster) then its almost certain the rest of the industry will follow suit, sooner or later.

      If you're that concerned about this, complain: https://www.ftc.gov/. Venting on Slashdot is a waste of time.

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    25. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      What port is it communicating on? Simply block it

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    26. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People bought the card with the full expectation of up to date drivers for a reasonable period of time. Your local consumer laws would probably give you an indication of the length of time.
      If it wasn't mentioned before you bought it that they would be spying on you, try small claims court to get a refund if you feel strongly about it.
      EULA nonsense changing the rules after the fact isn't likely to hold any water in any sane legal system.

    27. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telemetry was also highly regarded (until a few years ago)

      Citation needed, and not from the spies using the telemetry.

    28. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by strikethree · · Score: 2

      That ain't just for "understanding" that's for exploitation and profit from "personally identifiable" customer data.

      This shit is spyware.

      I am glad I moved to Linux exclusively once Windows 10 was released and I tried it out. Everyone whines about how their most important software does not run on Linux, how Linux is unusable because you have to debug crap, etc etc.

      I think it is time to put a different spin on this: A computer is not worth using if everything you do is monitored, monetized, examined for legality, and stored forever to potentially use against you should you ever become the target of an investigation.

      I can hear the objections now, "but but but I HAVE to use a computer."

      Well, you can still use a computer without all of that crap; although Redhat and other distributions are starting to distribute crash reporters and such... which is the first step along the path already followed by mainstream software.

      You will be completely encased in a cocoon of surveillance from birth until death unless it is fought. It needs to be fought yesterday, it needs to be fought now, and it needs to be fought in the future.

      I have reclaimed my freedom from surveillance through my operating system by using Linux. OpenBSD is even better. FreeBSD seems to populated with SJW types so I avoid that like that the plague.

      Regardless, Open Source is your only path to freedom when all closed source software starts implementing tracking/telemetry. Use it. use it now. The applications you need will eventually follow; however, it is better to live without a computer than to be tracked constantly. What was that what Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death!"?

      Yeah, stop spying on me or I will stop participating. Windows, and now NVidia, are out. Forever. There is no recovery from such a decision. It is a death sentence to NVidia.

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    29. Re:its not always about tracking "issues" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now your are my bitch

      - John Romero's Manifesto

  11. AI content identification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The joke of flesh toned pixels is probably more of a reality than most of you think. Think of all the CUDA cores on a modern nVidia card. Why would you not assume with all of that processing capability and AI, that image recognition and OCR wouldn't occur??

  12. Can it be blocked with the firewall? by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or will the driver not function without it?

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    1. Re:Can it be blocked with the firewall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GHacks link in TFA shows you how to block it

    2. Re:Can it be blocked with the firewall? by Noishkel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just uninstall 'GeForce Experience'. The tracking is all inside of it.

    3. Re:Can it be blocked with the firewall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Just uninstall 'GeForce Experience'. The tracking is all inside of it.

      Can you explain this then?:

      While you may customize the installation of the Nvidia driver so that only the bits that you require are installed, there is no option to disable the Telemetry components from being installed. These do get installed even if you only install the graphics driver itself in the custom installation dialog.

    4. Re:Can it be blocked with the firewall? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OFC NOT!

      They use extensively the cloud for processing your graphics... you know.... because it's better!

  13. Holy Shit by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All this time I wondered what AMD could possibly do to convince me to try their video cards again. Now I know it was nVidia that had to do something all along.

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    1. Re:Holy Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this time I wondered what AMD could possibly do to convince me to try their video cards again.

      Oh, you mean having their shill hairyfeet write one of his tedious diatribes didn't convince you?

    2. Re:Holy Shit by Anonymous+Coward+912 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your list is way shorter than mine. For me AMD would also have to start following hardware specifications, lower the power consumption on their cards to reasonable levels, and figure out how to write drivers for their products.

    3. Re:Holy Shit by phorm · · Score: 1

      All this time I wondered what AMD could possibly do to convince me to try their video cards again

      How about: drivers work with 3d acceleration on built-in kernel drivers? My RX480 works nicely without needing to install any weird crap.

    4. Re:Holy Shit by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      Their drivers are fine, and have been since a few years after ATI was acquired by AMD.

      I will agree with you greatly on the power consumption, although the latest generation has come a long way. and *gasp*, they work in Linux out of the box.

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    5. Re:Holy Shit by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      ATI has MOM.exe as part of their Catalyst Control Center package.

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    6. Re:Holy Shit by Misagon · · Score: 1

      AMD's GPU are in general larger in transistors and compute-units than the closest competitor from Nvidia.
      The difference is that while AMD's offerings should have been giving better price/performance if you only look at the numbers, Nvidia's hardware and software have been more optimized and therefore more capable in practice.

      In August, one of those optimizations were revealed by tech site Real World Tech:
      Nvidia does a kind of tile-based rasterization of opaque polygons to avoid having to run shaders for pixels that will be overdrawn. They also adjust the tile size to keep as much in cache as possible. Real World Tech also shows that this is something that AMD cards don't do.

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    7. Re:Holy Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and can be disabled unlike what this article refers to

    8. Re:Holy Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      RWT "showed" that using a generations-old card, from a time when it's unlikely that Nvidia used tile-based rasterization, either. Modern AMD cards do use tile-based rasterization. They have since at least the Tonga chip, and possibly earlier - I don't recall for certain. (As a hint, any card that uses color compression has to use tile-based rasterization.) If you don't believe me, it's been discussed thoroughly on some of the more technically oriented forums.

      The performance gap between the AMD architecture and the Nvidia architecture has to do with the focus of their design - AMD focuses heavily on compute, and Nvidia more on the rest of the graphics pipeline. Thus, Nvidia cards tend to be better in both performance and perf/watt in most games, but that's reversed in games that are very heavy in compute, or (complex) pure compute workloads.

      As a general rule, there's never one 'best' piece of hardware. Different designs have different strengths and weaknesses, and you should pick the one that works best for you.

    9. Re:Holy Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. I'd still go with his list.

    10. Re:Holy Shit by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      I could write a book about how many problems ATI/AMD drivers have caused me until I finally gave up and went Nvidia a couple years ago, which includes programs outright crashing left and right. After I got an Nvidia card, I could run every game I threw at it except for one... Viper Racing... and that game is about 18 years old.

      With that said, I'm happy with these older drivers I'm using now. I think I'll treat my Nvidia drivers like my copy of Windows7 and [backup web browser] Firefox 47.

    11. Re:Holy Shit by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      For me AMD would also have to start following hardware specifications, lower the power consumption on their cards to reasonable levels, and figure out how to write drivers for their products.

      nVidia has been caught playing fast and loose with power envelopes in the past, and the only way they stay within them is doing the same kind of performance-limiting power-based throttling that AMD is doing in their updated driver. I just had my first bluescreen in months (maybe years) while hardly doing anything and subsequent reboot took forever. Most IRQ not equal errors are video driver failures. I'm not convinced that nVidia can write drivers, either.

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  14. november 11th ....this is disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where is my freedom they fought ww1 and ww2 for ?

    im not only not going to any parade , but i will no longer support any military , vet or such institutions that allow this and will refuse to buy nvidia

    1. Re:november 11th ....this is disgusting by stooo · · Score: 1

      >> where is my freedom they fought ww1 and ww2 for ?
      Gone since a long time, didn't you see it go away ?

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    2. Re:november 11th ....this is disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They bought it with their lives, you sold it for a rock of crack. Why are you blaming the military?

      Were they supposed to shoot you when you decided to install proprietary software?

  15. EASY to stop a few ways... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    See subject: This is task scheduler driven in windows so cut out these entries there & poof/voila, it's gone:

    NVidia Telemetry monitor
    NVidia Crash and Telemetry reporter (2 of these are present)

    (Each is GUID/SID marshalled (OLE type))

    * Each time you update your drivers using the std. installer, this will PROBABLY have to be done (this is also the case w/ .exe's they used under %Program Files% in 64-bit & %Program Files (x86)% in 32-bit as well for nvtray.exe (if you don't like it, OR, NVBackend (can be disabled in tools like MSConfig start up area OR autoruns (far more comprehensive)).

    (Personally on that LAST group, I go into the program files area & rename .exe files involved for 'geforce experience' IF you don't use it (I don't) along w/ DLL's those .exe files call functions from, but you have to be careful if you run STEAM games (bullshit imo, I like local diskbound games) there...)

    Lastly - on updating a driver?

    You don't REALLY need to use their std. installer - just extract it (goes beneath a NIVDIA folder & driver folder is what you use) & go to device manager & use it's properties page to update the driver (iirc, this doesn't install ALL NEW files, only strictly .sys driver related ones - feel free to correct me IF I am off here). This worked FINE for me going from build 375.63 to 375.70 current driver build.

    Of course, you can also monitor what servers these things talk to w/ say, NirSofer's Network Latency View (or his other network tools) & block it by hostname (if it's done that way) OR ip address in firewalls too.

    APK

    P.S.=> In the end, this invasive spying is really, Really, REALLY getting "outta control" imo (well, not out of MY control or yours @ this point per the above)... apk

    1. Re:EASY to stop a few ways... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're an impostor. The _real_ APK would have had a simple HOSTS file solution for this.

    2. Re:EASY to stop a few ways... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have this weird feeling that they will update their GeForce Experience program to automatically reenable the task every time it starts, or scans (for games), or just on a separate, hourly timer.

      Or worse, integrate the telemetry code into GE itself.

      I await your favourable HOSTS file, apk. ;)

    3. Re:EASY to stop a few ways... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the info but, do they pay you each time you write "apk"?

    4. Re:EASY to stop a few ways... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who pays you for unidentifiably ac trolling apk? Whipslash??

  16. Re:white supremacy by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

    white women are just better looking than nonwhite women

    Welcome to Slashdot's Countdown to Election Day. I'm your host, David Duke. In our first segment, we're going to ask the question, "Are mud people ugly or nah?" and we'll be joined by our special correspondents Kellyanne Conway and Rudy Giuliani. But first, this word from Credit Repair dot Com.

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  17. Considering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much they are pushing for people to sign up for the new GeForce experience with free giveaways and such, where it requires you to login; preferably with a social media account, it's not surprising that they are doing this. Someone told them there's money to be made by selling telemetry data, therefore, they are...

    1. Re:Considering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got tired of GeForce Experience displaying game ads during the driver updates, which seemed to take a long time presumably to make sure that you see the fucking ads, so I uninstalled it.

  18. They could send personal information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing about software like this, whether it be Microsoft, nVidia, or whoever, is that they have FULL access to your computer. Not just the current user, they have administrator access. They could, either by choice, accident or malice, send ANYTHING they want off of your computer. Tax forms, SSN's, bank account information, passwords, personal photos, etc.

    That's fucked up.

    1. Re:They could send personal information by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Or DELETE anything they want. Or INSTALL anything they want, and run it. Basically: Botnet. Corporate Botnet.

    2. Re: They could send personal information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is forcing you to use the software.

  19. nvenc? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there an alternative in AMD/ATI-World that comes even close to the performance of nvenc (no, vaapi/vdpau/opencl is not comparable, even on nvidia-hardware)...?

  20. No mention of this by Holi · · Score: 1

    No mention of this when I purchased my card. Wonder how long before the lawsuit starts.

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  21. Easy way around this issue... by Noishkel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Basically just don't use 'GeForce Experience'. Honestly unless you're just one of these weird-os that can't live without social medial integration of your games then you can avoid all of this by not installing Experience. And honestly, why would any one?

    Of course then this will only probably work until they make it mandatory, as these companies always try to do.

    1. Re:Easy way around this issue... by Holi · · Score: 0

      Not big on reading the summary are you?

      "While you may customize the installation of the Nvidia driver so that only the bits that you require are installed, there is no option to disable the Telemetry components from being installed. "

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    2. Re:Easy way around this issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      guess who didn't read...

      disabling gfe does nothing to stop the telemetry.

    3. Re:Easy way around this issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd install it for Gamestream.

    4. Re: Easy way around this issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GeForce Experience main features are automatic driver updates, and optimised settings for games. Do do the former, it needs to send your OS and current driver version to the server to know which driver updates to look for. To do the latter, it needs to gather a list of your installed games and send them to the server so it knows which optimisations to download.
      So, there's two reasons to use GFE and two reasons why blocking this "telemetry" is dumb because the primary functionality of the app needs it to work.
      There's also telemetry on which features of the app is being used, which isnt much different to logging downloads of Linux ISOs.
      Also, all of this "telemetry" has existed in GFE since the beginning. Only now it's been separated out to separated processes/scheduled tasks. And of course people spot the word telemetry anywhere on their system and jump to conclusions and everybody freaks out.
      http://www.howtogeek.com/280101/relax-nvidias-telemetry-didnt-just-start-spying-on-you/

  22. It also has severe limitations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Installing nvidia has always been a bit of a pain in Linux, with each distro having their own way of packaging the closed source drivers. I guess even THAT is a feature in backwards 2016.

    Its actually become easier to install, but harder to get to work if your machine doesn't support MTRR discrete mode (many Dells, and many Supermicro dual-socket server boards, do not). This led to the ironic situation where, because there is no BIOS option on my supermicro board to enable MTRR discrete mode, I either dig up ancient drivers that don't really work anymore for LInux, or I boot Windows when I want to do serious 3d stuff (whether its play a game, or whatever). GLXgears will run, but the moment you try to start celestia, blender, or anything else that uses opengl in any serious way at all, you get a "No opengl context" error and the program crashes. We know MTRR discrete mode isn't required (the windows driver works fine under the same constraints), so this suggests some real corner-cutting on the nvidia Linux driver side.

    Oh well, once I get bored with No Man's Sky I'll probably put my Radeon card back in. It works great on Linux, with blender, celestia, and every other 3d app I throw at it. Nvidia, not so much.

  23. Re:Maybe check first by lpevey · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a GTX 980, so I immediately RTFA and looked for the task they referenced in the Task Scheduler. FWIW, I did not find the task referenced in the article or anything at all related to nvidia. I have the latest driver package from nvidia installed. YMMV.

  24. These methods all work... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... depending on what you want to stop (telemetry, geforce experience, nvbackend autostart, & nvtray etc. - et al)

    * I've been doing this for about a year on things other than this new telemetry (noted above) & yes, my games work fine.

    APK

    P.S.=> It works - as to your question, if the driver's using the IP stack to 'talk back to mama' that would cease its function (think about it) - I show ways to monitor for it in the link above... apk

    1. Re:These methods all work... apk by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      How 'bout just blocking all things nvidia with a single firewall rule instead of going through all that monkey motion? In fact, why not simply white list your browser and email and block everything else?

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    2. Re:These methods all work... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your hardware is untrustworthy the only real solution is to stop using it. Firewalls are super easy to punch through, especially if you try blocking applications on the host itself as you are suggesting.

  25. Block Them - For Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least you can instruct your router to block those packets.

    For now.

    I'm sure your new ISP provided router will automatically give priority for telemetry. Your data is secondary at best.

  26. Re: white supremacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could begin by countering his claim that white white porn is more prolific...

  27. Jeez don;t they get it yet? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    It amazes me that regardless of all the historical evidence, corps still keep right on thinking that they can pull this kind of shit off and end-users will be too dumb to ever notice.

    No doubt nVidia will come up with some lame excuse about how its anonymized or that its just to improve our user experience or whatever, just like all the other corps that have ever got caught doing this kind of shit always do.

    1. Re:Jeez don;t they get it yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably just simple math.

      If the revenue from telemetry data for the portion of their market too dumb to notice is greater than the loss in revenue from the portion of the market who cares, it is a win. Think about how much of the market is people who understand what it even means then how much of THAT portion of the market cares and it gets a little depressing.

    2. Re:Jeez don;t they get it yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They keep thinking they can get away with it because they keep getting away with it. They simply don't care if they are "caught" because there are no consequences.

  28. Just uninstall 'GeForce Experiance'. by Noishkel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just confirmed this on my own system. This telemetry is all a part 'GeForce Experience'. People should just uninstall that crap anyway as there's really nothing of value in that product anyway.

    1. Re:Just uninstall 'GeForce Experiance'. by Altrag · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It happily loaded the telemetry crap on my system with Experience not installed. As the article (and even TFS) say.

    2. Re:Just uninstall 'GeForce Experiance'. by trawg · · Score: 1

      GeForce Experience offers a way to very easily capture your desktop or video game footage (including sound). I use it all the time to screencap games, clips I like from Netflix, or application videos.

      Adding telemetry in it though sure is a good way to get me to uninstall it.

    3. Re:Just uninstall 'GeForce Experiance'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fraps....

  29. PFSense to the rescue by User1564 · · Score: 1

    I use a PFSense box to block windows telemetry. Guess I will have to see where NVidia is sending data back to and add it to the list.

    1. Re:PFSense to the rescue by chiguy · · Score: 1

      Is there a guide or information on how to do this using PFSense? Or even what to block? Thanks

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    2. Re: PFSense to the rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a network tool like little snitch. It shows the host name and IP of every connection any app ever makes. You can use little snitch to block it or use a firewall like PFSense. TBH, I prefer PF on OpenBSD.

      Here's a good Reddit board discussing pf vs pfsense: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/3pt3m3/openbsd_pf_vs_pfsense/

      As for setting up a firewall, I suggest googling it. It took me about 2 days to setup my PF firewall along with DNScrypt, privoxy, and some other goodies. There are some good docs out there.

    3. Re:PFSense to the rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother. It's an eternal game of wack-a-mole that you can't win. Just don't use Windows 10 and don't apply any Windows 7 updates release later than September 2016.

  30. I think linus had it right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck you nvidia. captcha: gorgeous

  31. I game offline by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

    Take that, Nvidia. I'm guessing some power user will outline how to block telemetry with WIndows Firewall / hosts file.

  32. Re:Maybe check first by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    Unless the task is running on the card and not in Windows.

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  33. Re:white supremacy by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    I could die happy if I never saw Kellyanne Conway again. That disingenuous little shit-slurper has a chin that just begs for a solid right jab. And what's up with those vampire teeth of hers? Ewwww.

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  34. Linux driver as well? by ls671 · · Score: 1

    I can't seem to find any comments telling if it is implemented in the Linux drivers as well?

    Anyway, as another poster as mentioned, I guess somebody will have to run tcpdump and see where it connects, then block those IPs, unless the driver stops working without it but I would doubt it since video would stop working on non-connected machines.

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    Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
  35. This is why we need complete sources for hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Security is a bitch and we can't secure anything if we don't have complete control over the complete set of source code needed for each and every component including keyboard controllers, LCD controllers, graphics chips, wifi chips, and so on need to be released in full and not just an 'open source' wrapper around some proprietary firmware either (I'm looking at you AMD).

    It's why I'm hostile to Lenovo, HP, Dell, Toshiba, Apple, and Sony (computers) as these companies implement digital restrictions in proprietary components (BIOS). It's why I'm hostile to Intel (CPUs backdoor'd), NVidia, AMD (not just graphics but also backdoor'd) for keeping everything proprietary and compromising my system's security. It's why I don't have an NVIDIA or AMD graphics card.

    It's why I put my money into funding EOMA68 project (ThinkPenguin's the main sponsor and a crowd funding campaign was done here: https://crowdsupply.com/eoma68)- a modular computing standard which aims to open up hardware in the free software sense (even though they are also opening up schematics for boards it's the sources are what matter for individual components the most and modularizing ensures it's cheaper and easier to pressure component manufacturers to release code- whereas currently we have Intel or AMD for laptops for example EOMA68 is opening the way for non-x86 laptops with CPUs from other companies).

  36. Not all telemetry is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read TFA and it shows telemetry for error/crash reporter. Not all telemetry tracking is bad especially in the case of crash reports to help them make their drivers better. One of the reasons why Nvidia's drivers are so much better (other than quality coding) is oodles of data from crash reports. If something nefarious is going then PROVE IT otherwise we have to give Nvidia the benefit of the doubt that it's telemetry data solely aimed towards error/crash reporting. Just because something says "telemetry" on it doesn't mean it's scouring your HDD and sending back all your habits. I would be more than happy to eat my words if it turns out Nvidia is actually doing something ethically wrong here... all someone has to do is prove it and the author of that article certainly didn't.

    1. Re:Not all telemetry is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read TFA and it shows telemetry for error/crash reporter. Not all telemetry tracking is bad especially in the case of crash reports to help them make their drivers better. One of the reasons why Nvidia's drivers are so much better (other than quality coding) is oodles of data from crash reports. If something nefarious is going then PROVE IT otherwise we have to give Nvidia the benefit of the doubt that it's telemetry data solely aimed towards error/crash reporting. Just because something says "telemetry" on it doesn't mean it's scouring your HDD and sending back all your habits. I would be more than happy to eat my words if it turns out Nvidia is actually doing something ethically wrong here... all someone has to do is prove it and the author of that article certainly didn't.

      you're an asshole. shut up.

    2. Re:Not all telemetry is bad by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      No. If you want a crash report, then ask for it and let me see the data that is going to be sent.

    3. Re:Not all telemetry is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because something says "telemetry" on it doesn't mean it's scouring your HDD and sending back all your habits.

      In which case, why are they making us agree to legal documents saying that they are allowed to do just that?
      It occurs to me that such legal contracts were not required before. One reason that jumps to mind is that programs used to ask the user if they wanted to submit error logs.
      As I see it, this is a company asking for free reign to "scour your HDD and send back all your habits". I do not see bug reports as a valid reason to give a faceless corporation such rights.

  37. all your pron are belong to nvidia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    muahaha the perverts that work there want to know what dick everyone is watching

  38. Re: white supremacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And maybe it's that there's the meme that there are more white women on cams, therefore more women taking on camwork are white. Maybe black women are told there's racism on camsites and don't bother setting up.

    However, there does seem to be far more latino women than white on camsites.

    maybe there's just no one reason and no leader in the causation.

    Somethings things just happen, and we notice them only when they aren't what we're "expecting", then thinking that this is somehow relevant rather than just us looking for something out of kilter.

  39. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sorry i just laughing at you being so right

  40. Re:white supremacy by Grishnakh · · Score: 0

    Yeah, no kidding. Just walking around in a public place here in the US, it's pretty obvious to me that, on average, it's the Asian women who are most attractive. Why? It's simple: how many fat Asian women do you ever see? They also seem to have an uncanny ability to not show any signs of aging until they're at retirement age.

  41. make it both ways..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is all so stupid and way out of hand.... not only are these things actually illegal and immoral but it cuts both ways....if those jerk offs at nvidia are using windows 10 then another company is gathering all their info........oh but telemetry is disabled in win10 for business clients?..... then doesn't that tell everyone something... what is good for the goose is not good for the gander...... spy on nvidia or MS and you go to jail.....why?.....why don't they want telemetry used on them but they want to use it on you? do those jerkoffs who work at nvidia and MS have home computers....do their families....sons and daughters? what kind of world are they creating for their own........when you fuck everyone, you are fucking EVERYONE including your own.

    send the fucking botnets their way.....why not? what is wrong with that?.....we are just trying to improve our experience....why can't we use telemetry same as nvidia.

    i know i don't need to ask them permission to gather their info.....i sent invidia a letter saying "by reading this and allowing me to use your card you agree to let me collect private information about your company so i can improve how i purchase your products in the future, this includes but is not limited to placing root kits on your servers".
    so i am fucking legal. surely they are not part of the tinfoil community and can appreciate my intentions. after all it was they who educated me on such matters.

    fuck MS, fuck nvidia, fuck the USA and EU, fuck you, me, everything and everyone, fuck fucking everything and nothing, fuck this quantum mechanical simulation none of us asked to be born into. i mean like WTF already sons of god damn bitches.

  42. Re:Maybe check first by zlives · · Score: 1

    which would contradict the article.
    however this brings up a question about trustworthy computing.

  43. Re:white supremacy by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    But first, this word from Credit Repair dot Com.

    I thought it was ever increasing modern increasingly VOIPy increasing deliverable turnkey supersized appsoftware that's always increasingly ever constantly modern business VOIP with intelligence and the increasingly included constantly modern supersized batteries, which are included... and modern... and supersized?

    Constantly modern supersized VOIP backup apps!

  44. Linux by clockley(571021718) · · Score: 1

    Is telemetry included in the linux driver?

    1. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Linux telemetry is all in systemd.

  45. I wonder the liability by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You suddenly find £2,000 gone from your bank account and the bank blames you (as not in this Tesco case). You audit; you are up to date with all virus bashing software, etc, ... how else could your data have gone ? You then find that 'telemetry' is being sucked from your machine, Nvidia/Microsoft/... refuse to disclose what they have taken from your machine; they will not say how they protect what they have taken or who they share it with. Can you go after them ?

    1. Re:I wonder the liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you could take them to court and probably get them to show the court what information they're gathering. You might even be able to do that right now. Of course it would be silly, expensive and ultimately a waste.

    2. Re:I wonder the liability by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Further, while the court (and maybe you) would get to see what information was being gathered, the company would likely insist that what information is being gathered is a confidential trade secret. The court would probably agree and would not allow you to disclose it to the public.

      --
      If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
    3. Re:I wonder the liability by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      Dear Mr. Judge, I accidentally all the files they gave me. After all I'm computer illiterate, as proven by the defense.

    4. Re:I wonder the liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worked for Hillary!

  46. Fun by Holi · · Score: 1

    It sends info to Google Analytics.

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    Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
  47. IF you do what I wrote fully? You don't... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You only do so ONCE, & then use a diff. way to update the drivers I noted - ugh, I'll do it again:

    Once you do all I noted disabling what you don't want running @ all via renaming (heck, deleting the .exe files alone would do it but I don't take chances & this is how I found it was recreating the .exe & .dll files using the normal installer NVidia gives you)?

    Doing it as I noted makes it so you DO NOT HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN provided you install the alternate way I noted:

    The std. installation package doesn't run fully, ONLY ITS EXTRACTION...

    THEN, you use Device Manager & your NVidia card (via Display in the device tree) to UPDATE the driver - This worked FINE for me going from build 375.63 to 375.70 current driver build 2-3 days ago in fact!

    Again, this DOES NOT UPDATE THE .EXE files & .DLL's they call or OLE marshall beneath 64-bit %Program Files%/%Program Files (x86)% for 32-bit...

    * You really, Really, REALLY HAVE TO READ man...

    (I cover all of this many times in my original post I gave you a link to & I've been doing this for more than a year now - it works & until they CHANGE it somehow? It should continue to do so...).

    APK

    P.S.=> In any event I also told of a way how to monitor (one way) for what it connects to as well!

    HOW you do it what tools you use for monitoring is up to you... & yes, I covered BOTH potential communications blocking methods in either hosts (if done by hostname) or IP address in a firewall...

    HOWEVER:

    Then YOU HAVE TO GO THRU THE "MONKEY BUSINESS" OF MONITORING @ ALL IN THE 1st PLACE & it does NOT communicate all the time either (that is the pain in the ass, you have to catch it).

    Doing everything I noted?

    I avoid ALL of that!

    (Still - It's up to you how you do it, I cover most any way possible)... apk

    1. Re:IF you do what I wrote fully? You don't... apk by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Still too much hassle. The firewall is much less so.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:IF you do what I wrote fully? You don't... apk by stooo · · Score: 1

      >> See subject: You only do so ONCE, & blablabla

      No, that's not hte correct way. The correct way is to install Linux.

      --
      aaaaaaa
  48. Just checked my Task Scheduler... by Torodung · · Score: 2

    I just checked my Task Scheduler, and none of those Nvidia telemetry tasks identified by MajorGeeks have ever run. I've just enabled "tasks history" (i.e.: chron logs) from admin to see if it's actually doing anything. The tasks only appear when you run Task Scheduler with admin rights, so access is restricted to users with administrator rights. From the history, I think this telemetry might be in the works, but not running yet.

    It's possible that since it is an admin task and I run in a limited user account (standard account), it's not triggering the task, but the tasks are supposed to be triggered by login of "any user," with a daily report at 12:45 on my machine if there's no login to trigger, so I can't see how that's happening. This all should be working, but it appears to be dead at this time on my machine with the latest drivers.

    I do have GeForce Experience 3 installed, and it *is* asking for a login, however. So it seems they're tagging *something* to an account.

    The GeForce forums are a shitstorm of "ditch the login" posts in every GFX thread. People are threatening boycotts, etc. It's really quite interesting. Here's the initial feedback thread when GFX 3 went live. Bring popcorn.

    1. Re:Just checked my Task Scheduler... by Torodung · · Score: 1

      Yup. Sure enough it runs when I log in my admin account, but it doesn't run when I log in my standard account. I'm sure Nvidia will fix this soon, and then I'll have to disable the tasks, and then they'll make it so GFX 3 enables them on run, and so on and so forth in a never-ending battle for privacy vs. data mining.

      Somebody will probably wind up running a background task that continuously turns this crap off.

    2. Re:Just checked my Task Scheduler... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all need something similar to Ad Blocker which in this case blocks the telemetry going out to the bit bucket or just replaces all this outgoing data with zeros..... and to combat the possibility that the data going out is dynamically going to different places, the software should learn and adapt as fast as this telemetry tries to work around the block.

  49. Your feeling's wrong (read)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: My methods STOP GeForce Experience, nvtray, nvbackend, this telemetry & more (a new install WILL redo them though & I warn of it too).

    AGAIN (since you don't read apparently):

    Renaming the .exe files involved (possibly even .dlls they marshall OR std. 'traditional' function call from)?

    MAKES them crippled - depending on WHAT you want to 'stall', that is (watch it w/ STEAM stuff IF you use it though).

    * Just about EVERY METHOD POSSIBLE is listed there in the post you replied to + "caveats" - So read it thru in full & see for yourself & then try them yourself... they all work (to one degree or another).

    I've successfully done this for a year++ or so now, it all works (1 way or another as I listed several ways), depending on WHAT you want to stop in their std. install driverset program from reinstalling/re-enabling which is WHY I avoid it (I now beat it all by simply using Device Manager, Display, NVidia GeForce 970 GTX, Driver Tab, Update Driver, & update ONLY the .sys files etc. vs. all the other .exe & .dll files those exes marshall (& they do NOT reinstall that way either, the std. installer WILL reinstall them along w/ scheduled tasks & .exe/.dll + startup areas noted).

    Of course after my comments on "our host" here (asshole)? I'll get downmodded from +1!

    YES, I was-> https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    (LOL - Even when I write what works, out of "effete retaliation" by whipDOUCHE & his "Rubber Willy" dildo sockpuppet brigade, lol... losers).

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, you're just another useless unidentifiable ac troll that "whipDOUCHE" allows to troll me but @ least I put out valuable working info. in my posts - YOU & "YOUR KIND", DON'T (probably whipDOUCHE the trust fund baby himself or his sockpuppets galore (yes, he has them) uses vs. me (he doesn't want his precious pennies in ads blocked), he's impotent vs. me anyhow for AGES now anyways as I CUT THRU HIS BLOCKS OF MY POSTS WITH EASE + I post once? He applies TOTALLY UNJUST 5++ hr. blocks on me (or so he thinks, as I always prove otherwise lol))... apk

  50. Re:Maybe check first by Carewolf · · Score: 1

    I have a GTX 980, so I immediately RTFA and looked for the task they referenced in the Task Scheduler. FWIW, I did not find the task referenced in the article or anything at all related to nvidia. I have the latest driver package from nvidia installed. YMMV.

    It is not a task, it is a service. If you found no NVidia processes, you either don't have an NVidia GPU after all, or you looked in the wrong place. There are three beneign ones you should have and two malicious ones you can kill.

  51. Runs as a local user by Torodung · · Score: 2

    Yeah, these tasks all run as a local user rather than SYSTEM, so when I log in with my standard account, the admin account that it's running under isn't logged in, and the condition for launch on any login is not met.

    Error message:

    Task Scheduler did not launch task "\NvTmMon_{B2FE1952-0186-46C3-BAEC-A80AA35AC5B8}" because user "[COMPNAME]\[ADMIN_USERNAME]" was not logged on when the launching conditions were met. User Action: Ensure user is logged on or change the task definition to allow launching when user is logged off.

    This is par for the course with Nvidia software these days. Running a service as a local account? They should know better. ;)

  52. Re:white supremacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    typical sjw tactics displayed here

    shout "oh look a squirrel!" and completely ignore the argument being offered

  53. Re:white supremacy by PPH · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but with Asian porn, the pixels are always so big ....

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  54. Re:white supremacy by GNious · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, you can get her occasionally on talk radio - all the Kellyanne Conway you love, without the faceparts you hate :)

  55. Give us the IP addresses to block then! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Provide the BLOCKING IP ADDRESS then - good luck catching it (it's NOT always doing it)!

    Besides - One of my suggestions WAS firewalls BUT THE "CATCH-22" IS ABOVE... no good minus that IP address(es).

    My methods work (especially since you only do it once as you would a firewall rule, until they change those IP addresses that is - my methods stop the programs talking back to NVidia, period, permanently (using a diff. install method)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Whatever way you choose, go for it - only problem is YOU ARE NOT PROVIDING IT - I gave every possible for mine afaik (only 'theoreticals' but no "meat" for your sandwich)... apk

    1. Re:Give us the IP addresses to block then! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Block the application from all network access, not the IP

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  56. Re:white supremacy by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Lol, tell me what stations she's on so I can avoid them.

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    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  57. Re:Maybe check first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the article, you're both wrong. They are scheduled tasks - like cron jobs.

    You won't see them in the task manager unless they are running at the time, and you won't find them in the services list at all.

    Check the control panel for the task scheduler or go c:\windows\system32\taskschd.msc - and disable the tasks. However expect them to be re-enabled next time you update :/

  58. Re:white supremacy by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    It's simple: how many fat Asian women do you ever see? They also seem to have an uncanny ability to not show any signs of aging until they're at retirement age.

    Those are two of the reasons I'm married to a lovely Asian lady. Those two reasons alone cut 90% of the Caucasian women out of the running.

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    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  59. To Revive An Old Joke From the Soviet Era by sehlat · · Score: 1

    Do not have to search for Nvidia technical support. Technical support knows where to find you.

  60. Re:Maybe check first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    read the tfa :http://www.ghacks.net/2016/11/07/nvidia-telemetry-tracking/
    the actual log shipping is done via a schedule task

  61. Re:This is why we need complete sources for hardwa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what are you using if not using AMD, Intel, or Nvidia?

  62. Re:white supremacy by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    shout "oh look a squirrel!" and completely ignore the argument being offered

    Let's remember, the "argument being offered" is this:

    "white women are just better looking than nonwhite women"

    Exhibits A thru C:

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pini...

    http://vuthasurf.com/wp-conten...

    http://www.fashionlady.in/wp-c...

    Exhibit D:

    http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/con...

    Now which ones wouldja?

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  63. Not all firewalls work @ app level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Crippling exes does it & update drivers via device mgr. (exes calling out don't renew) + All software firewalls don't do app level (Zone Alarm does, some router/firewalls do, Windows native one though? NOT iirc...)

    That's "problem #1" for YOUR method & my method? You only do it ONCE...

    Far easier than network monitoring for IP addresses or even hostnames (which again for most firewalls you'd have to do).

    * Heh - I have to admit something (which you SUCCESSFULLY evaded, perhaps by LUCK or realizing it, lol):

    YOU CAN GET THE IP Address seeing as you don't have it (lol) but...?

    PROBLEM #2 for you:

    I was "setting you up" for 'failure' since IF you manually triggered those task scheduler tasks? You'd have GIVEN AWAY information already (defeating the purpose), albeit IF only once... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject: However, "good job" (in a way) however, again - NOT ALL FIREWALLS WORK BY APPLICATION LEVEL ACCESS - so MOST FOLKS WOULD BE STUCK MONITORING & yes, giving out info. (if only 1 time) or waiting for someone to take the chance & put those IP's out (most work by hostname, as in many router/modem firewalls or by IP, or again, as windows' software model does, by IP address ONLY afaik)... apk

    1. Re:Not all firewalls work @ app level by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Then you just need a firewall that does block the app.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  64. We're living in a fucked up world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is seriously a fucked up world.
    Why aren't these things regulated by law? Sure I know the US/Canadian government are all for this privacy invading activities, so it would NEVER happen, but I'd like to believe there are other countries out there that respect these kinds of things, right? ... that don't bow down to US? Or am I delusional?

    Operating System: Spyware (Windows 10)
    Drivers: Spyware (Nvidia)
    Cell phone: Spyware (Android/Google); Apps accessing cell-phone data/contact info without consent and uploading to their servers/ Image Geo Tagging/ Always-on microphones
    Browser: Spyware (Chrome/Firefox(SafeBrowsing+Telemetry))
    Computer applications (Spyware)
    Webpages: Persistent Cookies/Canvas tracking
    Televisions: Automatic Wifi connections without hardware disable switch/ Smart TV features; Voice search (recording)
    Computer hardware: Intel Management Engine - can be run with computer being off, bypassing the OS.

  65. Re:white supremacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, a +2 vote for hate. Way to go slashnutter.

  66. GeForce Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bloated crap we don't need and loaded with spyware. Welcome to the GeForce Experience. Fuck Nvidia.

  67. Yes you could illogically "add 'MoAr'" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: OR just do what I do once & be done w/ worrying about spying https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    (To stop the calling exe files & libs as long as the driver installer & .inf etc. files DO NOT CHANGE)

    &

    Install differently as I noted via device mgr for update (easier & faster too) avoiding your method bloating on more, per the above, & network monitoring spilling info, even IF only once etc. ...

    * :)

    (Me? Well - you guys KNOW I don't "Bolt on 'MoAr'" adding bloat, more "moving parts" for breakdown OR exploit - I work with that I have natively 9/10 times, for security & yes, it works (ala APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-4 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?... ))

    APK

    P.S.=> I tell you, lol (this is to 'razz' you, but in fun only since you did get pretty clever (or lucky) & evade my 'logical trap' on monitoring by manually triggering those scheduled tasks to get the IP address): It's NOT EASY being "world-class" (like me)... apk

    1. Re:Yes you could illogically "add 'MoAr'" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I don't run on the upgrade treadmill... Once I have a working driver, I stick with it.

      It's NOT EASY being "world-class" (like me)

      :-) Of that I'm sure...

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re: Yes you could illogically "add 'MoAr'" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me more about timecube.

  68. Re:white supremacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    white women are just better looking than nonwhite women and that is reflected in the porn market

    Maybe, or maybe white women are just sluttier.

  69. Re:white supremacy by ChoGGi · · Score: 1
  70. Re:Maybe check first by Altrag · · Score: 1

    Its not. I've got an nVidia card and I'd found the tasks before, but I'd assumed they were associated with geForce Experience (which I removed as soon as I discovered that they force a login even to just run the driver update -- which is the only reason I ever cared about that app in the first place.. I don't use shadowplay or game profiles or any of that other crap.)

    I ended up having to use the DDU since the driver uninstaller crashed repeatedly, essentially giving me a full clean reinstall (sans Experience) when I was done.

    And yeah after seeing the article I checked again and sure enough, the telemetry tasks were back.

    Not sure about the people who claim to not see them.. Maybe there's some sort of A/B trial going on, or perhaps it was only in one specific version and they've already backed off on it, or maybe it only gets applied in specific hardware setups or who knows what else. But it definitely is (or hopefully by now.. was) a thing.

  71. I do for speed & security... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Remember when Windows had trouble in AeroGlass? That's a security one (Win32/GDI leaking too) so a driver update + MS patch help & of course, NVidia OFTEN touts speed increases (which are even better when you 'tweak' game or vidcard settings etc.)...

    * There's a reason driver updates are recommended but in this case? DRIVERS ONLY as I noted & for ther very reasons in my subject above!

    (Nothing else but the driver updated from from build 375.63 to 375.70 current driver build for me 2-3 days ago (& certainly no scheduled spying task OR GeForce experience, nvtray, nvbackend (all nullified via my methods noted here-> https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... which has gone up to a +2 'astoundingly', lol...)))

    HOWEVER - as I noted in my post you JUST replied to? I'm concerned NVidia will get wind of what I do, & change the driver .inf & other install initiation files & change it to install all the other crap... I too, may be on my LAST update (I only have 1 new game, Doom 4 for PC (stupid steam shit I can't stand) & it flies (rest are oldies like Doom III my fav & Quake 4 (both 32-bit) but Hexen 64 & Doom 4 are 64-bit afaik here... so, I MAY be like you soon if they alter the driver install files).

    APK

    P.S.=> It's NOT easy - the "Burden of PERFECTION"'s on me with all the 'nitpickers' & trolls I dispatch here daily, lol... apk

  72. Re:Maybe check first by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    Are you using the 375.70 drivers?

  73. Re:Maybe check first by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    no editing allowed, so easy way to remove the tasks from the task scheduler

    SchTasks.exe /Delete /TN "NvTmMon_{B2FE1952-0186-46C3-BAEC-A80AA35AC5B8}" /F
    SchTasks.exe /Delete /TN "NvTmRep_{B2FE1952-0186-46C3-BAEC-A80AA35AC5B8}" /F
    SchTasks.exe /Delete /TN "NvTmRepOnLogon_{B2FE1952-0186-46C3-BAEC-A80AA35AC5B8}" /F

  74. Re:This is why we need complete sources for hardwa by Altrag · · Score: 1

    And how do you guarantee that the manufacturer hasn't added the odd extra circuit that wasn't in the base design? I guess if 3D printing gets advanced enough that you can print your own electronics.. but then you still have the compiler backdoor issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor_(computing)#Compiler_backdoors if the printer was built to recognize certain designs and modify them as it was printing. So now you have to build your own 3D printer (and it has to be advanced enough to print electronics.) And then whatever you used to build that has to be analyzed and so on until you're basically starting with a warehouse full of raw materials and thousands or even tens of thousands of hours ahead of you that you can't contract out because you can't trust other people to not build in back doors either. And THEN you have to somehow guarantee that you did everything perfectly and didn't leave any accidental flaws or the whole exercise was for naught.

    Obviously those attacks are getting rather complex at that point, and its certainly a lot easier to trust a self-printed circuit created from an open design than it is to trust Windows or any other corporately-controlled system. But at some level, even going to all that trouble still leaves theoretical security risks.

    And finally you then use your perfectly secured machine to check out Slashdot for the first time in 4 years after building your own browser because you don't really trust Firefox either, and simply sending and receiving the minimally necessary packets is supplying every router along the way with at least a bit metadata about your location and actions.

    At some point, you'll eventually have to accept that risk is a thing and manage it rather than trying to eliminate it, because the latter is very close to impossible. The only true way to guarantee that your computer isn't sending out some sort of information is to turn it off, unplug it, smash it, and move its remains somewhere far away from you just in case its got some embedded RF chip or whatever that you didn't manage to smash.

  75. Re:white supremacy by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    To be honest, I just put that last pic in to give the ACs nightmares tonight.

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  76. Re:white supremacy by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 1

    Established users with a high "karma" are granted the option of posting at a score of 2 initially.

  77. Wish List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be nice if AMD could write a driver for the latest kernel. Steam works fine on Mint 17, yet fails on Mint 18. That is enough to make me look at Nvidia again.

  78. Re:white supremacy by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    There are beautiful, sexy women in every country on this planet, and their color has nothing to do with it. My personal favorites are from India and Sweden.

    You need to expand your horizons a little bit and open your eyes. You're missing so much in life.

  79. "Dr. StRaNgE" can tell ya about this instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Thru the mystic arts we harness energy & shape reality - We travel great distances in an instant" https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HSzx-zryEgM#t=20/

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    * Making it FASTER + SAFER vs. using remote DNS or browser addons for more security, speed, reliability & anonymity via what you have natively vs. illogically "Bolting on 'MoAr'" that uses more & DOES LESS!

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  80. Re:white supremacy by Grishnakh · · Score: 0

    Caucasian, or Caucasian American?

    From what I've seen, the Caucasian European women don't have such a problem with obesity. And they generally are healthier, which does translate to holding your looks longer. The main problem with these women is that there just aren't many of them on this side of the pond.

    FWIW, I've started dating a lovely Asian lady too. It's really a breath of fresh air... and I'm not just talking about the physical attributes. Asians just seem to be a lot more sane and calm and rational than white American women, and also have more realistic expectations.

  81. h.26x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the hardware can do it but I need 300 meg of software crap to flip the switch and turn it on then thats bloat...

  82. Re: white supremacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could also be that porn is mostly produced in the western nations (I guess Russia too), and those nations have a large white population, which means statistically speaking, you're going to have more white actors than not. Unless you set out to have more of another ethnicity or something.

    Also wtf does this have to do with driver telemetry?

  83. Sue nVidia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I give zero consent to this spyware, yet it's enabled by default.
    My computer or its data is not for data mining. Somebody sue these fuckers.

  84. Re:white supremacy by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    From what I've seen, the Caucasian European women don't have such a problem with obesity.

    I think this is true in general, but overall I think Asian women have an edge genetically. I've traveled around SE Asia somewhat and by and large, Asian women just aren't fat. It's not just diet, because this seems to apply to most of the Asian women in the US and Canada too, from what I see.

    -

    FWIW, I've started dating a lovely Asian lady too. It's really a breath of fresh air... and I'm not just talking about the physical attributes. Asians just seem to be a lot more sane and calm and rational than white American women, and also have more realistic expectations.

    ^^^^This, times 1000.

    I couldn't agree more- they're saner, less self-centered, and more partner-oriented. In contrast with American/Western women, Asian women actually seem to like men and don't view them as a "problem" or the embodiment of everything wrong with the world. Most American/Western women seem to view a relationship as a constant competition, not as a partnership.

    Yes, I'm generalizing, but my generalizations are based on literally decades of dating American women. My Asian wife thinks so differently from most American women that it's startling. Nearly all of my friends married to American women are jealous of our marriage and relationship and they're not shy about saying so. Practically all they do is complain about their wives, when most of what I do is compliment mine.

    Am I biased? You bet your ass I am! :)

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  85. Re:white supremacy by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    "Caucasian" my ass. There are only two types of women: European Aryan women and inferiors.

    Get back in your basement, goober. You've never touched a woman in real life so your opinion is worthless.

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  86. curso NR 10 by Instituto+Santa+Cata · · Score: 1

    Curso NR 10 online curso NR 10 curso NR 10 online