I don't care if this costs me points or not, this is so fucking sad and one of the symptoms of why most people don't take the linux/OSS community very seriously...
It's NOT a war. The fact that you would try to glorify it as some heroic battle of good vs. evil is quite pathetic. "Being hunted by the enemy", dear christ, are you for real? Usually people with such delusions end up seeing a shrink. Do you seriously see yourself (or other linux users) as glorious warriors or something? I'm sorry, the average linux zealot is hardly heroic. Hell, the average linux zealot can barely handle normal social interaction outside of computers. Please get over yourself, and check yourself into a nice hospital and get some help. I know it's hard to believe, but it's just operating systems and business.
Typical zealot thinking. Microsoft can do nothing right.
Fact: You'd be shitting on IE7 if it didn't include these features.
Fact: You'd shit on IE7 for including these features.
You know what? You can't have your cake and eat it too. If microsoft were to actually make something revolutionary and groundbreaking (and no, I certainly don't think they've done anything like this yet), you'd still shit on them because they're Microsoft. Time for a reality check you zealot, your line of thinking is bordering on being retarded. Someone mod this fuckhead down please.
I understand if you have a family to feed and are unmotivated
Shouldn't that be 'or'? Motivation and responsibility are two entirely different things, and one often takes precidence over the other. Don't lump those who feel their family comes first in with laziness (or its politcally correct cousin "Motivation").
This stupid prick is trying to compare two completely different industries. One deals with tangibles, the other does not (minus packaging which isn't necessary). When I leave that tire place, those tires are GONE and need to be physically replaced by reordering. If I were to copy a piece of software, it is not physically gone , it is still there.
Fact is, this is one of the many symptoms of trying to make the software industry fit into the mold of a regular industrial industry. It's like shoving a square peg into a round hole. But that's what happens when you let old people, with old ideas, using old systems run the world. Perhaps we should enforce mandatory retirement by 40?
It means that if you're biased, you're more likely to see fault when there isn't any. It's not about logic and logic traps, it's an emotional reaction. And what are you trying to do? Seems like you're poisoning the well on the other side of the river. What's the matter? You can't handle people exposing zealots like you and the reviewer for the braindead lemmings that you are? Seriously, I can't understand how people who are supposedly so smart can be so fucking dumb.
Would he be a "better person" if he hid his bias, pretended it did not exist?
No idiot, he'd be a better person if he held no bias for either platform. Too much bias on either side is makes him unqualified to perform this test. And I'd say "I don't like Microsoft..." counts as too much bias. If I came out and said, "I don't like Linux" and did a review on the latest Debian release, you think I'd say favorable things about it? Hell no, I'd focus on the negative (whether I mean to or not is not important). I'd like to find this black and white world you live in, must be nice to see everything to so clear and cut.
Someone who uses 'M$' sure has a right to bitch about objectivity. While I agree the test is nowhere near objective, until you drop this childish "I'm a rebel fighting 'THE MAN'" "M$" silliness YOU can't be taken objectively.
There's a nice penny arcade strip that pretty much details people like you. (I'm sure you've all seen it by now).
I'd like to pull a Jay & Silent Bob and visit each moron that uses "M$" in a post and give them a severe ass kicking. One day, my dream will be reality.
Once, I had a job, in a conservative company. I got my eyebrow pierced. Why? Because I wanted to, that's why. I asked my supervisor if I thought the owners would give me shit about it. He said, "No, and if they were to threaten your job because of that, get legal advice on the matter."
Would I have a leg to stand on in court? Who knows, they didn't have a problem with it. However, this has me thinking. While it's definitely NOT the same as being discriminatory because of religion, sex, sexual orientation or whatever, it IS akin to being picked on/fired because you're overweight. Replace the word piercing with overweight and I promise you, the comments here would be quite different. Yes, it's a choice. But in some respects so is being overweight, that is, I don't have to be fat. Nor do I have to have a piercing.
And for those of you lie down and say "grow up and get over it" and "a suit and tie is the only acceptable dress": Thank god you weren't fighting in world war 2.
The PC game market won't die for a reason I have yet to see mentioned: Innovation. Not just in hardware, but software. The ever increasing power of PC components only pushes this. Think about it... 1/2 life 2 & Doom 3, both are considered to be 'pushing the envelope' of gaming technology via their rendering engines, are released for the PC first. Then they basically went back to 'dumb it down' for the consoles. Frankly, when you make your hardware static, you make your software the same. Kind of dull don't you think?
That is utter bullshit. If you listen to any interview with any console developer, they often state that they usually only get to fully exploit the console in question near the end of its life cycle. This is pretty far from day 1. Video cards/PC games often do get fully exploited from day 1. Sometimes before that.
Imagine it. Wouldn't it be terribly entertaining having a drunk run the country? Then Canada could be like the drunken guy at the party that everyone will laugh at for about 10 minutes, but then get sick of and throw him out after he's made an ass of himself. That'd be awesome!
But seriously, fuck the USA. There, I said it and I'm a canuck. Where's my prize?
I call bullshit on that. Furthermore, you're nothing more than a bandwagon jumping troll. Seriously, when is slashdot going to give me the power to electrocute people like this?
That's the linux zealot mentality at work again. To them there is no world beyond the internet and Operating Systems are like countries at war and they are glorious soldiers fighting an all powerful evil dictator for the freedom of the world...
Is it any wonder no one gives them any respect? Seriously, they come off like a freaks living in an imaginary world.
Guys, you ARE NOT heroes. You're computer nerds, and no, you still can't get a date to save yourselves.
Funnily enough, I used a pure IMAP mail system once. And that time it was with Outlook 2000, and I'd have to agree, that experience would put most users off too. Outlook + Exchange however I found to work quite well (which is what I have to use at work), as they should. Outlook + POP3, I found it to be a mixed bag with Outlook 2000, 2002. As you say, it was *okay*. Outlook 2003 was actually the first version to work properly (for me at least) with POP3.
You're going on the assumption that the open source zealots actually think ahead. All they can see is what's in front of them right now. Say what you want, but if you remove Microsoft, prepare for another 800lb gorilla to fill the gap (less evil, more evil? Does it matter? One mans devil is another mans god). It WILL happen. And don't let yourself believe otherwise.
Keeping on topic, for Thunderbird to beat out outlook, it'll take a LOT more than calendar functionality.
I may be a Microsoft apologist, but even -I- know that Firefox/Mozilla blows the shit out of IE. Christ, even if IE were as secure as fort knox (which of course, it's about as secure as an open door and a sign stating what's on the inside to steal), the tabbed browsing alone blows IE out of the water. With that in mind, I figured, well, if FF/Moz is that good, perhaps Thunderbird is as good or better than Outlook... boy was I wrong... it was a nightmare to set up: maybe I'm dumb, but I had to reinstall it like 3 times to get the folder setup I liked, and even then it was not to my liking. Its message rules system is horribly broken, the interface is inconsistent, etc.. There were a lot of problems for a program that has a 1.0 version number attached. One feature of outlook I can't live without and thunderbird lacks is the archiving functionality. Don't get me wrong, it's a good start, but it has a long way to go before toppling outlook, and it'll take more than a calendar to do it.
And before you think I only installed and ran it for a day or two, you're mistaken. I used it for 4 months!!! just so I could give it a fair chance. (which is more than most of the slashdot zealots would do for anything that isn't open source or linux related.)
Yeah yeah, I know, viruses, etc.. But you know something? I haven't received an email virus in about 2 years now. Roughly the length of time I've been using Outlook 2003... hmm go figure on that. And when I had received them before that (which was far and few between), I USED COMMON SENSE, and surprise surprise, I wasn't infected by anything. It's got its flaws, but Outlook has functionality and a design layout that's still much better than anything offered today. Yeah, I'll be the first to agree there's a lot of bloat (vb scripting in an email client? That's some crack induced thinking). But I'll take ease-of-use + caution any day over security + unnecessary complexity + broken design any day. Until thunderbird = security + consistent design + ease of use, I wont be going back to it.
1. Install linux.
2. Apply tinfoil hat, ensure 'rebellious' pony tail does not get caught up.
3. Barricade door to mom and dad's basement.
4. Log in to slashdot
5. Make paranoid comments, get rated +5 funny/insightful for no good reason what so ever.
6. Wait for someone to put you in a straight-jacket and bring you to a nice padded cell.
7. (Optional) Rate me a troll, or flamebait because I have the guts to express an opinion that differs from yours.
God you're a fuckwit. Please run out into oncoming traffic. Thanks - The Mgmt.
Read a topic like this at -1 and you'll find a fair number of posters who like being in the American Empire. They like the "we're number one!" thing, they like the knee-jerk machismo that flows from military adventurism, they really do think they're God's chosen country, and they're perfectly willing to let their leaders trample over a world they see as filled with terrorists, godless communists and spineless Eurotrash.
I say you guys should force those people go fight in bush's war. After all, it's what they want isn't it? Clearly, if they defend the ideal, they should back it up by participating should they not? Bet they'd jump off of their America's #1 soapbox pretty quick if the draft were brought back. And for those that want to go fight, well, if there's any real justice in the world, they'd be shot full of holes in the sands of Iraq. Either way good riddance to bad rubbish.
But really, It's the register, what did you expect? Good journalism? I really think/. should probably stay away from the reg as a source of reviews (of anything), they tend to be biased, confusing, and in some cases outright lies.
Having said that, I saw it last night as well, could have done without the whole sappy romance shite really, other than that I thought it was brilliant.
I agree, Mono would be a great boost for Linux. One of the main reasons I won't bother with linux is the lack of decent programming tools. As an example, I ported a C++ library I had written from MSVC to GCC. It was the most horrid experience I've ever had when programming. And that was just trying to make the thing compile from 'make' (no, I'm not experienced with make, nor do I ever care to be, it's old and outdated and needs to be put to sleep). I tried some IDEs, and well, they proved to be quite lack-luster. Face it linux zealots, there are times when Microsoft gets it right and you don't, live with it.
The thing that bugs me: All the responses of the close minded "it's Microsoft, so it's evil." idiots out there. If people like that had the any amount of control we'd probably still be entering shit on punch cards. Face it, Microsoft or not,.NET/Mono is a great step in the right direction. Some people need to rise above their blind and infantile zealotry and realize how this can help the very cause they CLAIM to be fighting for.
It's similar to situation of FTP clients, they're all shite, but some don't smell as bad as the others.
Microangelo is quite buggy, and definitely not worth the price they charge. However, it's better than most of the other editors I've tried. So I guess that's why it gets the reputation it has.
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I don't care if this costs me points or not, this is so fucking sad and one of the symptoms of why most people don't take the linux/OSS community very seriously...
It's NOT a war. The fact that you would try to glorify it as some heroic battle of good vs. evil is quite pathetic. "Being hunted by the enemy", dear christ, are you for real? Usually people with such delusions end up seeing a shrink. Do you seriously see yourself (or other linux users) as glorious warriors or something? I'm sorry, the average linux zealot is hardly heroic. Hell, the average linux zealot can barely handle normal social interaction outside of computers. Please get over yourself, and check yourself into a nice hospital and get some help. I know it's hard to believe, but it's just operating systems and business.
I really think it's time we define what 'stealing' and 'theft' really mean. This is getting a little rediculous.
Fact: You'd be shitting on IE7 if it didn't include these features.
Fact: You'd shit on IE7 for including these features.
You know what? You can't have your cake and eat it too. If microsoft were to actually make something revolutionary and groundbreaking (and no, I certainly don't think they've done anything like this yet), you'd still shit on them because they're Microsoft.
Time for a reality check you zealot, your line of thinking is bordering on being retarded. Someone mod this fuckhead down please.
I understand if you have a family to feed and are unmotivated
Shouldn't that be 'or'? Motivation and responsibility are two entirely different things, and one often takes precidence over the other. Don't lump those who feel their family comes first in with laziness (or its politcally correct cousin "Motivation").
Fact is, this is one of the many symptoms of trying to make the software industry fit into the mold of a regular industrial industry. It's like shoving a square peg into a round hole. But that's what happens when you let old people, with old ideas, using old systems run the world. Perhaps we should enforce mandatory retirement by 40?
Would he be a "better person" if he hid his bias, pretended it did not exist?
No idiot, he'd be a better person if he held no bias for either platform. Too much bias on either side is makes him unqualified to perform this test. And I'd say "I don't like Microsoft..." counts as too much bias. If I came out and said, "I don't like Linux" and did a review on the latest Debian release, you think I'd say favorable things about it? Hell no, I'd focus on the negative (whether I mean to or not is not important). I'd like to find this black and white world you live in, must be nice to see everything to so clear and cut.
There's a nice penny arcade strip that pretty much details people like you. (I'm sure you've all seen it by now).
I'd like to pull a Jay & Silent Bob and visit each moron that uses "M$" in a post and give them a severe ass kicking. One day, my dream will be reality.
Would I have a leg to stand on in court? Who knows, they didn't have a problem with it. However, this has me thinking. While it's definitely NOT the same as being discriminatory because of religion, sex, sexual orientation or whatever, it IS akin to being picked on/fired because you're overweight. Replace the word piercing with overweight and I promise you, the comments here would be quite different. Yes, it's a choice. But in some respects so is being overweight, that is, I don't have to be fat. Nor do I have to have a piercing.
And for those of you lie down and say "grow up and get over it" and "a suit and tie is the only acceptable dress": Thank god you weren't fighting in world war 2.
The PC game market won't die for a reason I have yet to see mentioned: Innovation. Not just in hardware, but software. The ever increasing power of PC components only pushes this. Think about it... 1/2 life 2 & Doom 3, both are considered to be 'pushing the envelope' of gaming technology via their rendering engines, are released for the PC first. Then they basically went back to 'dumb it down' for the consoles. Frankly, when you make your hardware static, you make your software the same. Kind of dull don't you think?
That is utter bullshit. If you listen to any interview with any console developer, they often state that they usually only get to fully exploit the console in question near the end of its life cycle. This is pretty far from day 1. Video cards/PC games often do get fully exploited from day 1. Sometimes before that.
<sarcasm>Ralph Klein! That's who!</sarcasm>
Imagine it. Wouldn't it be terribly entertaining having a drunk run the country? Then Canada could be like the drunken guy at the party that everyone will laugh at for about 10 minutes, but then get sick of and throw him out after he's made an ass of himself. That'd be awesome!
But seriously, fuck the USA. There, I said it and I'm a canuck. Where's my prize?
I call bullshit on that. Furthermore, you're nothing more than a bandwagon jumping troll. Seriously, when is slashdot going to give me the power to electrocute people like this?
Is it any wonder no one gives them any respect? Seriously, they come off like a freaks living in an imaginary world.
Guys, you ARE NOT heroes. You're computer nerds, and no, you still can't get a date to save yourselves.
Funnily enough, I used a pure IMAP mail system once. And that time it was with Outlook 2000, and I'd have to agree, that experience would put most users off too. Outlook + Exchange however I found to work quite well (which is what I have to use at work), as they should. Outlook + POP3, I found it to be a mixed bag with Outlook 2000, 2002. As you say, it was *okay*. Outlook 2003 was actually the first version to work properly (for me at least) with POP3.
Keeping on topic, for Thunderbird to beat out outlook, it'll take a LOT more than calendar functionality.
I may be a Microsoft apologist, but even -I- know that Firefox/Mozilla blows the shit out of IE. Christ, even if IE were as secure as fort knox (which of course, it's about as secure as an open door and a sign stating what's on the inside to steal), the tabbed browsing alone blows IE out of the water. With that in mind, I figured, well, if FF/Moz is that good, perhaps Thunderbird is as good or better than Outlook... boy was I wrong... it was a nightmare to set up: maybe I'm dumb, but I had to reinstall it like 3 times to get the folder setup I liked, and even then it was not to my liking. Its message rules system is horribly broken, the interface is inconsistent, etc.. There were a lot of problems for a program that has a 1.0 version number attached. One feature of outlook I can't live without and thunderbird lacks is the archiving functionality. Don't get me wrong, it's a good start, but it has a long way to go before toppling outlook, and it'll take more than a calendar to do it.
And before you think I only installed and ran it for a day or two, you're mistaken. I used it for 4 months!!! just so I could give it a fair chance. (which is more than most of the slashdot zealots would do for anything that isn't open source or linux related.)
Yeah yeah, I know, viruses, etc.. But you know something? I haven't received an email virus in about 2 years now. Roughly the length of time I've been using Outlook 2003... hmm go figure on that. And when I had received them before that (which was far and few between), I USED COMMON SENSE, and surprise surprise, I wasn't infected by anything. It's got its flaws, but Outlook has functionality and a design layout that's still much better than anything offered today. Yeah, I'll be the first to agree there's a lot of bloat (vb scripting in an email client? That's some crack induced thinking). But I'll take ease-of-use + caution any day over security + unnecessary complexity + broken design any day. Until thunderbird = security + consistent design + ease of use, I wont be going back to it.
Pfft, Picard. Everyone knows the best captain is Han Solo.
1. Install linux.
2. Apply tinfoil hat, ensure 'rebellious' pony tail does not get caught up.
3. Barricade door to mom and dad's basement.
4. Log in to slashdot
5. Make paranoid comments, get rated +5 funny/insightful for no good reason what so ever.
6. Wait for someone to put you in a straight-jacket and bring you to a nice padded cell.
7. (Optional) Rate me a troll, or flamebait because I have the guts to express an opinion that differs from yours.
God you're a fuckwit.
Please run out into oncoming traffic.
Thanks - The Mgmt.
Really, linux sucks.
Thanks.
Read a topic like this at -1 and you'll find a fair number of posters who like being in the American Empire. They like the "we're number one!" thing, they like the knee-jerk machismo that flows from military adventurism, they really do think they're God's chosen country, and they're perfectly willing to let their leaders trample over a world they see as filled with terrorists, godless communists and spineless Eurotrash. I say you guys should force those people go fight in bush's war. After all, it's what they want isn't it? Clearly, if they defend the ideal, they should back it up by participating should they not? Bet they'd jump off of their America's #1 soapbox pretty quick if the draft were brought back. And for those that want to go fight, well, if there's any real justice in the world, they'd be shot full of holes in the sands of Iraq. Either way good riddance to bad rubbish.
But really, It's the register, what did you expect? Good journalism? I really think /. should probably stay away from the reg as a source of reviews (of anything), they tend to be biased, confusing, and in some cases outright lies.
Having said that, I saw it last night as well, could have done without the whole sappy romance shite really, other than that I thought it was brilliant.
For liability purposes, it is the sea, not the pirates that will kill the software engineers.
It's time for us all to do something about Miguel and Mono.
You sound like a fucking psycho. Really, seek help. You'd swear Microsoft had some secret agenda to wipe you all out in a covert operation.I agree, Mono would be a great boost for Linux. One of the main reasons I won't bother with linux is the lack of decent programming tools. As an example, I ported a C++ library I had written from MSVC to GCC. It was the most horrid experience I've ever had when programming. And that was just trying to make the thing compile from 'make' (no, I'm not experienced with make, nor do I ever care to be, it's old and outdated and needs to be put to sleep). I tried some IDEs, and well, they proved to be quite lack-luster. Face it linux zealots, there are times when Microsoft gets it right and you don't, live with it.
The thing that bugs me: All the responses of the close minded "it's Microsoft, so it's evil." idiots out there. If people like that had the any amount of control we'd probably still be entering shit on punch cards. Face it, Microsoft or not,It's not troll tuesday [tt], can you please roll the date back on your post.
Thanks,The mgmt
It's similar to situation of FTP clients, they're all shite, but some don't smell as bad as the others. Microangelo is quite buggy, and definitely not worth the price they charge. However, it's better than most of the other editors I've tried. So I guess that's why it gets the reputation it has.