...what about the music that we already bought. I want the CD. I enjoy it, but I also want my mp3/ogg/whatever. Since they copy-protect their cd's, will they make "my" music downloadable for me for free, or do I have to pay again to download music that I already bought once?
I think it's great that they listen to us customers, but I'm not convinced yet.
This weekend I bought a CD. It was copy-controlled and as such unplayable on my Linux-machine. It had some windows-player that was supposed to play the cd if I had put it in a Win-machine. But naturally it wouldn't let me create mp3's from it.
My question (that's actually related to this topic) is, "What should I use the portable mp3-player for?". Since all record companies are doing their best to prevent me from transfering my legally purchased music to this player, what is it good for? Won't the mp3-players be as useless as a betamax-player for the general public, as the copy-controlled cd's becomes more and more common?
That raises another interesting question. How long will Sony or any other large company that makes mp3-players stand for this? If people can't use the players then they won't buy it, which would hurt Sony's sales.
I'm sure someone can write some insightful comments about this.
Oh, and I returned the CD. I'm not buying broken products. And I made sure that the store understood that the failed sale was due to the record companies bad customer policy.
I have a similar story. The manager of a company where I was hired brought his two children (4 and 6) to work one day. To show them some cool things he brought them into the server room and they promptly ran off and turned the key to all SUN's they could find the moment he turned his head away.
I think it took a full 20 seconds from shutdown to a techie with a high pulse entered the room.
I just thought about someone saying that somewere, when you look back in history, you can see some historical turningpoint where tings just went wrong or right.
One small such point is when IBM gave out the specs to their hardware for PC allowing everyone to clone it, while Apple did not.
This could be such a point. Maybe in 10 years we'll look back at this and ask ourselves "Why the heck did MS XML-enable their Office app, releasing the hold that they had"
CLIENT: Damn. Oh well. I guess we'll just have to patent all ways we can think of to do the test, for which the research we've done is valid.
or maybe:
CLIENT: Oh well. Atleast we'll be first on the market with our test and have the possibility to make up for our investment there.
Yes. I know this is a tricky subject. Medical research is DAMN expensive. Yes, companies should have the right to get their money back if they invest in research, but I don't think patenting the gene is the correct way.
Another thing. What would happen if the above mentioned company put their reseach under the GPL (assuming that only the tests were patentable). That way they could be sure that any company that used their research for their own product would contribute back to the research, and while this wouldn't generate them money directly it would allow them to improve their product with other ppls research..
I'm sure there are lots of things I haven't thought of and I'm sure there are lots of people willing to point that out to me.
" There'd need to an x86 IRIX first, and that would take some time and money to develop."
Not gonna happen. Although they've released XFS for Linux (I love it) and are committed to OSS they will only make IRIX for their mips processors. Mainly because they control "Mips technologies" or whatever they are called and have direct and total control over what's happening inside the CPU. You think AMD or Intel would give sgi this kind of info?
"Hollywood's growing usage of Linux clusters for rendering isn't helping either." And Linux clusters are great for that. Or any job that don't require high internal memory bandwith. But when you DO need that, nothing except Cray comes close to sgi.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/ The little box on the left "What's that site running". Type in your URL or (public) IP there and see for yourself.
So I did the change about 1,5 years ago, left it running and moved on to other things, then this subect came up and I thought I had done the same to apache as I had done to some other misbehaving programs the people just "have to use".
This is what we do actually. I should have been more clear about it. Thanks for pointing it out though.
And as someone noticed bewow, this is a known problem with solaris. It was a while since I tinkered with it. It is solaris after all, it's solid as a rock.;-)
Same here. I'd love to migrate to Apache2.0, but until PHP works properly I can't do that. As it is now our companys main webserver runs apache1.3.26 and will continue to do, even with the problems we're experiencing with it.
There appears to be some memoryleak somewhere which makes apache consume more and more memory until we restart it. It doesn't happen that often, but we do have a script that kills off apache about once a month.
While looking into what was wrong I got the impression that this was a known error, but I couldn't isolate the problem. My setup is as follows: Apache/1.3.26, PHP/4.2.1, mod_perl/1.27, mod_ssl/2.8.10 and OpenSSL/0.9.6a on a Solaris7 box.
Let's just hope Apache2 solves my problem with this memoryleak too.
It seemed to me that Tolkien spent far too much time trying to set the scene, and not enough just telling the story. With a film I can see the scene, and only have to follow the story.
...games for Linux always tend to variations of Tetris, Boulder Dash, Missile Command, etc.[...]But the games with spark, like The Sims and Grand Theft Auto 3 are coming from elsewhere.
Isn't it so that most OpenSource software is constructed to "scratch an itch". You have a need, you write a tool that helps you with that. You see someone who has a similar problem (or think that someone might have) so you give your tool away. You didn't write the program to make money, you wrote it to help you with a task.
Games on the other hand is pure entertainment. You don't just sit down (most ppl don't anyway) and write a game. If you write a game, you probably want to make some mone off it. Especially if it's a new idea.
Taken from RIAA's site, once I got in. What is your stand on MP3?
This is one of those urban myths like alligators in the toilet. MP3 is just a technology and the technology itself never did anything wrong! There are lots of legal MP3s from great artists on many, many online sites. The problem is that some people use MP3 to take one copy of an album and make that copy available on the Internet for hundreds of thousands of people. That's not fair. If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail.
So why do they go out of their way to make sure I can't rip my CD^H^H "blank shiny CD-lookalike disc" to mp3 or other format?
Not quite true if I remember correctly. There was something called Wrapster that "wrapped" software, images and movies as mp3's to allow napster to find it.
What about the mnet project? Although in an early phase it should be quite useful for things like this. Files are split up into pieces and published over a lot of hosts, and when you download something you query the nodes closest to you. Should they not have the file but notice that a particular block is in high demand they contact other nodes and get that block so that data that's in high demand is moved to where the demand is.
It looks quite interesting. There is a win32 package availible for download that's functional but not good, and it's quite simple to get it from the cvs and compile it for your favorite platform. I think there is a new release in the near future.
A mathematician, a physicist, an engineer went again to the races and laid their money down. Commiserating in the bar after the race, the engineer says, "I don't understand why I lost all my money. I measured all the horses and calculated their strength and mechanical advantage and figured out how fast they could run..." The physicist interrupted him: "...but you didn't take individual variations into account. I did a statistical analysis of their previous performances and bet on the horses with the highest probability of winning..." "...so if you're so hot why are you broke?" asked the engineer. But before the argument can grow, the mathematician takes out his pipe and they get a glimpse of his well-fattened wallet. Obviously here was a man who knows something about horses. They both demanded to know his secret. "Well," he says, "first I assumed all the horses were identical and spherical..."
An chemist, a physicist, and a mathematician are stranded on an island when a can of food rools ashore. The chemist and the physicist comes up with many ingenious ways to open the can. Then suddenly the mathematician gets a bright idea: "Assume we have a can opener..."
A mathematician is asked to design a table. He first designs a table with no legs. Then he designs a table with infinitely many legs. He spend the rest of his life generalizing the results for the table with N legs (where N is not necessarily a natural number).
A Mathematician (M) and an Engineer (E) attend a lecture by a Physicist. The topic concerns Kulza-Klein theories involving physical processes that occur in spaces with dimensions of 9, 12 and even higher. The M is sitting, clearly enjoying the lecture, while the E is frowning and looking generally confused and puzzled. By the end the E has a terrible headache. At the end, the M comments about the wonderful lecture. E: "How do you understand this stuff?" M: "I just visualize the process" E: "How can you POSSIBLY visualize something that occurs in 9-dimensional space?" M: "Easy, first visualize it in N-dimensional space, then let N go to 9"
A mathematician, an engineer, and a chemist were walking down the road when they saw a pile of cans of beer. Unfortunately, they were the old-fashioned cans that do not have the tab at the top. One of them proposed that they split up and find can openers. The chemist went to his lab and concocted a magical chemical that dissolves the can top in an instant and evaporates the next instant so that the beer inside is not affected. The engineer went to his workshop and created a new HyperOpener that can open 25 cans per second. They went back to the pile with their inventions and found the mathematician finishing the last can of beer. "How did you manage that?" they asked in astonishment. The mathematician answered, "Oh, well, I assumed they were open and went from there."
Mathematician U. was a great friend of his five-year old grandson. They discused everything including math and U. was very proud of the boys math talents. The child went to kindergarden; In two weeks the he ask U.to help with the difficult math problem: "There are four airplanes flying, then two more airplanes join them. How many airplanes are flying now? U. was very disappointed by the simplicity of the problem. "What confuses you?" he asked. The child says: " I know, of course, that 4 + 2 =6, but I cannot figure out what the airplanes have do with this!"
These days, even the most pure and abstract mathematics is in danger to be applied.
"The number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
The shortest math joke: let epsilon be 0
A Neanderthal child rode to school with a boy from Hamilton. When his mother found out she said, "What did I tell you? If you commute with a Hamiltonian you'll never evolve!"
How many topologists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?? Just one. But what will you do with the doughnut?
Q: What's the contour integral around Western Europe? A: Zero, because all the Poles are in Eastern Europe! Addendum: Actually, there ARE some Poles in Western Europe, but they are removable!
Noah's Ark lands after The Flood and Noah releases all the animals, saying, "Go forth and multiply." Several months pass and Noah decides to check up on the animals. All are doing fine except a pair of snakes. "What's the problem?" asks Noah. "Cut down some trees and let us live there," say the snakes. Noah follows their advice. Several more weeks pass and Noah checks up on the snakes again. He sees lots of little snakes; everybody is happy. Noah says, "So tell me how the trees helped." "Certainly," reply the snakes. "We're adders, and we need logs to multiply."
Q: What's a polar bear? A: A rectangular bear after a coordinate transform.
I'm sorry, I just couldn't help myself..haeger
Re:what about the environment?
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If freon contains CFCs and eats up the ozone layer, what will MS Freon do?
It'll contain CRC's and eat up your freedom to choose?
See now you are just trolling. You say "mozilla is ___so____ much better, etc..." have you actually tried to write an HTTP daemen?
I have no intention to troll. None whatsoever. And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that quote you have above. No. I have never tried to write an http-daemon. What does that have to do with anything?
I tried to download the zipfile you posted and as you said, it works fine in IE but not with Mozilla. I have no idea why this happens but I'm sure the mozilla team does. You have filed a bug-report so that they can fix it, right?
Why does this happen from your webserver and not from other servers that I've downloaded zipfiles from? Is it really a Mozilla error? This is an honest question, because it really seems to work elsewhere.
About the bastardizaton of html. It's no secret that Microsoft has added new tags and stuff that only works in IE. Pick up any book about web-design. In most of them it sais right there [Only works in IE]. Although I can't prove it, it wouldn't surprise me if they did the same to the http. They have some authentication-scheme that isn't a part of http don't they?
Just because I haven't done exactly the same things like You it doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion. Especially if its backed up by some facts. Here they state that Mozilla "may be the most compliant of all current browsers."
Here they say something similar. Written in 99 they haven't tested the 1.0 release and aren't all positive. But they agree that it complies with standards.
Another link about how well Mozilla follows standards.
So, in conclusion I'd like to repeat what I said before. Mozilla isn't perfect, but it's my browser of choice until IE implements the features that I find useful in Mozilla [Gestures, Image/popup-blocking, tabs among others] and prove to be faster and better (subjectively decided by me) and can be run on the platform [OS] I run at the time.
Well I am comparing my "IE in windows" to "mozilla in linux". IE supports the HTTP standard better, it doesn't die as often [assuming you have a clean install of windows... something not so easy] and generally just is easier to use.
What HTTP-standard is that? The "Real" HTTP-standard set up by W3C or Microsofts HTTP-standard?
Obviously mileage vary when it comes to Mozilla, because I haven't had it crash on me once in Windows. Never. It happened once in IRIX, something I reported to bugzilla and that bug was gone 1 month later.
I find even Mozilla 1.0 will die on a page or two [mostly at yahoo] and just hang without anything. In windows with IE I never really had any problems.
Can you give some examples of pages where mozilla dies? Does it happen everytime you visit those pages? Have you reported this to the mozilla-team via bugzilla?
And trust me when I say IE supports HTTP cleaner. I'm in the midsts of writing a web server and in due course I have tested it against wget, opera, mozilla, voyager, konquerer and IE. IE handles pretty much all of the HTTP specs [that my limited server uses just fine]. IE will also properly handle invalid replies [e.g. with no Content-length].
I believe you. In mozilla you have to write proper http/html for it to work, not Microsofts bastardization of it. Yes, the redmond based company has embraced and extended this protocol too. I would very much like to know how Mozilla handles the invalid replies that you spoke of. Yes, IE is much more forgiving than Mozilla. This is not a good thing. That encourages webmasters to write bad code. If you should complain about something it should be about the persons who write bad html that don't comply to the w3c standard.
Mozilla works somewhat decently but I find it won't handle all cases of GZIP messages [I actually submitted a bug w.r.t this].
I agree. Mozilla is a good product, it isn't perfect. It isn't "done". It's a good product in the making. It's good that you filed a bug-report. That is actually very constructive, and a lot of people could find this useful. Thank you.
I use Mozilla because it's a standard compliant cross platform browser with lots of features that IE misses still. I'm sure they'll catch up, but until they do Mozilla is my browser of choice.
Unfortunatly this isn't an option for all. I'll migrate to 2.X whenever possible, but until all PHP-odditys with the 2.X version is worked out I'll stick with my trusty 1.3.X version.
There are actually some valid reasons not to upgrade sometimes.
I agree with the above. I work as a contractor managing two flavours (IRIX and Solaris) and while I'm better at IRIX I still have a basic understanding of Solaris. Going from monoculture to two or more flavours I think you'll have some admins specialising in one of the two with both being able to maintain it.
Another issue that might be important is not about the Unixes, it's about the environment. Where I work now we have two distinct environments whith two very different requirements. One is user-oriented, the other is service (as in webservers and such) oriented. Any admin from any "side" could probably manage the unix part of the other side but it would take quite a while to learn what's expected of you in that role.
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I think it's great that they listen to us customers, but I'm not convinced yet.
I play Hattrick
My question (that's actually related to this topic) is, "What should I use the portable mp3-player for?".
Since all record companies are doing their best to prevent me from transfering my legally purchased music to this player, what is it good for?
Won't the mp3-players be as useless as a betamax-player for the general public, as the copy-controlled cd's becomes more and more common?
That raises another interesting question. How long will Sony or any other large company that makes mp3-players stand for this? If people can't use the players then they won't buy it, which would hurt Sony's sales.
I'm sure someone can write some insightful comments about this.
Oh, and I returned the CD. I'm not buying broken products. And I made sure that the store understood that the failed sale was due to the record companies bad customer policy.
I play Hattrick
I think it took a full 20 seconds from shutdown to a techie with a high pulse entered the room.
I play Hattrick
One small such point is when IBM gave out the specs to their hardware for PC allowing everyone to clone it, while Apple did not.
This could be such a point. Maybe in 10 years we'll look back at this and ask ourselves "Why the heck did MS XML-enable their Office app, releasing the hold that they had"
Only time will tell I guess.
I Play Hattrick
ATTY: You can only patent your exact test.
CLIENT: Damn. Oh well. I guess we'll just have to patent all ways we can think of to do the test, for which the research we've done is valid.
or maybe:
CLIENT: Oh well. Atleast we'll be first on the market with our test and have the possibility to make up for our investment there.
Yes. I know this is a tricky subject. Medical research is DAMN expensive. Yes, companies should have the right to get their money back if they invest in research, but I don't think patenting the gene is the correct way.
Another thing. What would happen if the above mentioned company put their reseach under the GPL (assuming that only the tests were patentable). That way they could be sure that any company that used their research for their own product would contribute back to the research, and while this wouldn't generate them money directly it would allow them to improve their product with other ppls research..
I'm sure there are lots of things I haven't thought of and I'm sure there are lots of people willing to point that out to me.
There are PGP for a number of platforms.
The international version (for ppl outside of US) are here.
Download PGP
I agree. The cool machines don't need gfx-cards.
Not gonna happen. Although they've released XFS for Linux (I love it) and are committed to OSS they will only make IRIX for their mips processors. Mainly because they control "Mips technologies" or whatever they are called and have direct and total control over what's happening inside the CPU. You think AMD or Intel would give sgi this kind of info?
"Hollywood's growing usage of Linux clusters for rendering isn't helping either."
And Linux clusters are great for that. Or any job that don't require high internal memory bandwith. But when you DO need that, nothing except Cray comes close to sgi.
The little box on the left "What's that site running". Type in your URL or (public) IP there and see for yourself.
It's fairly accurate.
Global fussball OK.
Don't be so nitpicky.
And as someone noticed bewow, this is a known problem with solaris.
It was a while since I tinkered with it. It is solaris after all, it's solid as a rock.
Do you Hattrick?
I'd love to migrate to Apache2.0, but until PHP works properly I can't do that.
As it is now our companys main webserver runs apache1.3.26 and will continue to do, even with the problems we're experiencing with it.
There appears to be some memoryleak somewhere which makes apache consume more and more memory until we restart it. It doesn't happen that often, but we do have a script that kills off apache about once a month.
While looking into what was wrong I got the impression that this was a known error, but I couldn't isolate the problem.
My setup is as follows: Apache/1.3.26, PHP/4.2.1, mod_perl/1.27, mod_ssl/2.8.10 and OpenSSL/0.9.6a on a Solaris7 box.
Let's just hope Apache2 solves my problem with this memoryleak too.
You're American, right?
Isn't it so that most OpenSource software is constructed to "scratch an itch". You have a need, you write a tool that helps you with that. You see someone who has a similar problem (or think that someone might have) so you give your tool away.
You didn't write the program to make money, you wrote it to help you with a task.
Games on the other hand is pure entertainment. You don't just sit down (most ppl don't anyway) and write a game. If you write a game, you probably want to make some mone off it. Especially if it's a new idea.
What is your stand on MP3?
This is one of those urban myths like alligators in the toilet. MP3 is just a technology and the technology itself never did anything wrong! There are lots of legal MP3s from great artists on many, many online sites. The problem is that some people use MP3 to take one copy of an album and make that copy available on the Internet for hundreds of thousands of people. That's not fair. If you choose to take your own CDs and make copies for yourself on your computer or portable music player, that's great. It's your music and we want you to enjoy it at home, at work, in the car and on the jogging trail.
So why do they go out of their way to make sure I can't rip my CD^H^H "blank shiny CD-lookalike disc" to mp3 or other format?
Wankers.
Play Hattrick
Play Hattrick
"The problem with this is that pedestrians keep stepping off the pavement (sidewalk) right in front of me (as in, someone did it yesterday)."
.haeger
"I know you are supposed to actually look before you cross the road, but people just don't."
Don't worry. Darwin will take care of this. Always has always will.
Play Hattrick
Files are split up into pieces and published over a lot of hosts, and when you download something you query the nodes closest to you. Should they not have the file but notice that a particular block is in high demand they contact other nodes and get that block so that data that's in high demand is moved to where the demand is.
It looks quite interesting. There is a win32 package availible for download that's functional but not good, and it's quite simple to get it from the cvs and compile it for your favorite platform.
I think there is a new release in the near future.
A mathematician, a physicist, an engineer went again to the races and laid their money down. Commiserating in the bar after the race, the engineer says, "I don't understand why I lost all my money. I measured all the horses and calculated their strength and mechanical advantage and figured out how fast they could run..."
..."
.haeger
The physicist interrupted him: "...but you didn't take individual variations into account. I did a statistical analysis of their previous performances and bet on the horses with the highest probability of winning..."
"...so if you're so hot why are you broke?" asked the engineer. But before the argument can grow, the mathematician takes out his pipe and they get a glimpse of his well-fattened wallet. Obviously here was a man who knows something about horses. They both demanded to know his secret.
"Well," he says, "first I assumed all the horses were identical and spherical..."
An chemist, a physicist, and a mathematician are stranded on an island when a can of food rools ashore. The chemist and the physicist comes up with many ingenious ways to open the can. Then suddenly the mathematician gets a bright idea: "Assume we have a can opener
A mathematician is asked to design a table. He first designs a table with no legs. Then he designs a table with infinitely many legs. He spend the rest of his life generalizing the results for the table with N legs (where N is not necessarily a natural number).
A Mathematician (M) and an Engineer (E) attend a lecture by a Physicist. The topic concerns Kulza-Klein theories involving physical processes that occur in spaces with dimensions of 9, 12 and even higher. The M is sitting, clearly enjoying the lecture, while the E is frowning and looking generally confused and puzzled. By the end the E has a terrible headache. At the end, the M comments about the wonderful lecture.
E: "How do you understand this stuff?"
M: "I just visualize the process"
E: "How can you POSSIBLY visualize something that occurs in 9-dimensional space?"
M: "Easy, first visualize it in N-dimensional space, then let N go to 9"
A mathematician, an engineer, and a chemist were walking down the road when they saw a pile of cans of beer. Unfortunately, they were the old-fashioned cans that do not have the tab at the top. One of them proposed that they split up and find can openers. The chemist went to his lab and concocted a magical chemical that dissolves the can top in an instant and evaporates the next instant so that the beer inside is not affected. The engineer went to his workshop and created a new HyperOpener that can open 25 cans per second.
They went back to the pile with their inventions and found the mathematician finishing the last can of beer. "How did you manage that?" they asked in astonishment. The mathematician answered, "Oh, well, I assumed they were open and went from there."
Mathematician U. was a great friend of his five-year old grandson. They discused everything including math and U. was very proud of the boys math talents. The child went to kindergarden; In two weeks the he ask U.to help with the difficult math problem: "There are four airplanes flying, then two more airplanes join them. How many airplanes are flying now? U. was very disappointed by the simplicity of the problem. "What confuses you?" he asked. The child says: " I know, of course, that 4 + 2 =6, but I cannot figure out what the airplanes have do with this!"
These days, even the most pure and abstract mathematics is in danger to be applied.
"The number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
The shortest math joke: let epsilon be 0
A Neanderthal child rode to school with a boy from Hamilton. When his mother found out she said, "What did I tell you? If you commute with a Hamiltonian you'll never evolve!"
How many topologists does it take to screw in a lightbulb??
Just one. But what will you do with the doughnut?
Q: What's the contour integral around Western Europe?
A: Zero, because all the Poles are in Eastern Europe!
Addendum: Actually, there ARE some Poles in Western Europe, but they are removable!
Noah's Ark lands after The Flood and Noah releases all the animals, saying, "Go forth and multiply." Several months pass and Noah decides to check up on the animals. All are doing fine except a pair of snakes. "What's the problem?" asks Noah. "Cut down some trees and let us live there," say the snakes. Noah follows their advice. Several more weeks pass and Noah checks up on the snakes again. He sees lots of little snakes; everybody is happy. Noah says, "So tell me how the trees helped." "Certainly," reply the snakes. "We're adders, and we need logs to multiply."
Q: What's a polar bear?
A: A rectangular bear after a coordinate transform.
I'm sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
If freon contains CFCs and eats up the ozone layer, what will MS Freon do?
It'll contain CRC's and eat up your freedom to choose?
.haeger
See now you are just trolling. You say "mozilla is ___so____ much better, etc..." have you actually tried to write an HTTP daemen?
I have no intention to troll. None whatsoever. And please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that quote you have above.
No. I have never tried to write an http-daemon. What does that have to do with anything?
I tried to download the zipfile you posted and as you said, it works fine in IE but not with Mozilla. I have no idea why this happens but I'm sure the mozilla team does. You have filed a bug-report so that they can fix it, right?
Why does this happen from your webserver and not from other servers that I've downloaded zipfiles from? Is it really a Mozilla error? This is an honest question, because it really seems to work elsewhere.
About the bastardizaton of html. It's no secret that Microsoft has added new tags and stuff that only works in IE. Pick up any book about web-design. In most of them it sais right there [Only works in IE].
Although I can't prove it, it wouldn't surprise me if they did the same to the http. They have some authentication-scheme that isn't a part of http don't they?
Just because I haven't done exactly the same things like You it doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion. Especially if its backed up by some facts.
Here they state that Mozilla "may be the most compliant of all current browsers."
Here they say something similar. Written in 99 they haven't tested the 1.0 release and aren't all positive. But they agree that it complies with standards.
Another link about how well Mozilla follows standards.
So, in conclusion I'd like to repeat what I said before. Mozilla isn't perfect, but it's my browser of choice until IE implements the features that I find useful in Mozilla [Gestures, Image/popup-blocking, tabs among others] and prove to be faster and better (subjectively decided by me) and can be run on the platform [OS] I run at the time.
Best regards
.haeger
Well I am comparing my "IE in windows" to "mozilla in linux". IE supports the HTTP standard better, it doesn't die as often [assuming you have a clean install of windows... something not so easy] and generally just is easier to use.
What HTTP-standard is that? The "Real" HTTP-standard set up by W3C or Microsofts HTTP-standard?
Obviously mileage vary when it comes to Mozilla, because I haven't had it crash on me once in Windows. Never. It happened once in IRIX, something I reported to bugzilla and that bug was gone 1 month later.
I find even Mozilla 1.0 will die on a page or two [mostly at yahoo] and just hang without anything. In windows with IE I never really had any problems.
Can you give some examples of pages where mozilla dies? Does it happen everytime you visit those pages? Have you reported this to the mozilla-team via bugzilla?
And trust me when I say IE supports HTTP cleaner. I'm in the midsts of writing a web server and in due course I have tested it against wget, opera, mozilla, voyager, konquerer and IE. IE handles pretty much all of the HTTP specs [that my limited server uses just fine]. IE will also properly handle invalid replies [e.g. with no Content-length].
I believe you. In mozilla you have to write proper http/html for it to work, not Microsofts bastardization of it. Yes, the redmond based company has embraced and extended this protocol too. I would very much like to know how Mozilla handles the invalid replies that you spoke of.
Yes, IE is much more forgiving than Mozilla. This is not a good thing. That encourages webmasters to write bad code. If you should complain about something it should be about the persons who write bad html that don't comply to the w3c standard.
Mozilla works somewhat decently but I find it won't handle all cases of GZIP messages [I actually submitted a bug w.r.t this].
I agree. Mozilla is a good product, it isn't perfect. It isn't "done". It's a good product in the making.
It's good that you filed a bug-report. That is actually very constructive, and a lot of people could find this useful. Thank you.
I use Mozilla because it's a standard compliant cross platform browser with lots of features that IE misses still. I'm sure they'll catch up, but until they do Mozilla is my browser of choice.
Best regards
.haeger
...not as nice as IE by a long shot. Anyone using 1.1a in Linux will know that...
Just out of curiosity, how do you run IE on linux?
And is it really fair to compare IE with Mozilla1.1a, an alpha-release of mozilla, which is aimed at bugtesters and developers?
And how do you make the comparison with IE on windows and Mozilla on Linux?
Unfortunatly this isn't an option for all. I'll migrate to 2.X whenever possible, but until all PHP-odditys with the 2.X version is worked out I'll stick with my trusty 1.3.X version.
There are actually some valid reasons not to upgrade sometimes.
.haeger
I agree with the above. I work as a contractor managing two flavours (IRIX and Solaris) and while I'm better at IRIX I still have a basic understanding of Solaris.
Going from monoculture to two or more flavours I think you'll have some admins specialising in one of the two with both being able to maintain it.
Another issue that might be important is not about the Unixes, it's about the environment.
Where I work now we have two distinct environments whith two very different requirements. One is user-oriented, the other is service (as in webservers and such) oriented. Any admin from any "side" could probably manage the unix part of the other side but it would take quite a while to learn what's expected of you in that role.
I hope that wasn't too confued.
.haeger