How much more arsenic will there be? Will the entire ocean die? Will just a few patches of the Gulf die? Or more likely will it not make the tiniest bit of difference?
I was trying to put some perspective on the BP oil spill for myself and found it's roughly an Exxon Valdez (E.V) disaster every week (based on approx 50,000 bbls per day), so it's 6 E.V's so far. Considering the amount of damage that was done there, local fisheries are now supported by hatcheries so the overall toxicity of the oil spill has pretty much destroyed the ecosystem. Twenty years later not much seems to have improved and Huffington Post reports not only the human health implications but the same-old same-old response we get from these companies as data collection efforts are simply stopped. Ignorance really is bliss and when it's not possible to do any science and politicians in the future can honestly say "The health implications cannot be determined".
That arsenic is a carcinogen that bio-accumulates in the environment means that even if this catastrophe was to stop right now the human health implications are something that will continue to unfold well into the next generation. Airborne pollutants like Hydrogen Sulfide, which took a week to dissipate from E.V just continue.
Bottom line: No-one knows (A metric ass load?). EPA says you can't harvest fish from seawater with a greater concentration of 0.0175 micrograms of Arsenic. Seawater is more capable of containing As than fresh water and there are many other factors (temperature, organic/inorganic As) that determine toxicity. Pressure from the depth of water is also a factor. I think what is being said here is that the Gulf of Mexico's days as a fishery are pretty much over and it's time to drill the shit out of that oil reserve and empty it as soon as possible.
Lets be realistic No-one is going to take the risk of being the "Oh but you made it worse" person that everyone points fingers at so NO-ONE will do ANYTHING. Right now you are seeing the people standing around the dying person bleeding wondering when someone is going to call the ambulance. I blame the greenies, if they'd have protested more none of this would have ever happened and we could have lived our apathetic little lives without an oil spill of this magnitude. As it so happens now we have to live our apathetic little live without the luxury of ignorance going, tsk tsk that oil spill - so bad tsk tsk.
References; Neff, Bioaccumulation in Marine Organisms: Effect of Contaminants from Oil Well Produced Water
Look at the Yucca Mountain case as it's discussed in the paper - the concerns and questions were much less about "nuclear science" and much more about "safety concerns". Involving the public earlier on, and spending some time educating them, would have saved a lot of wasted time and energy fighting these people in court.
Are you saying the decision to use Yucca Mountain as a Nuclear waste disposal site was a scientific decision, because it was actually a political decision.
"How do you know storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain is safe?" doesn't require the person asking the question to have a degree in nuclear physics to understand the safeguards, and how ineffective they are.
Thats what you really meant, right? Because that's what the science says, and you don't need a degree in nuclear physics, geology or hydrology to understand why.
I'll slow down as soon as the speed limits are set by engineers and not politicians and people with a monetary stake in the revenue from tickets resulting from said limits.
That and raising speed limits on freeways to get people home faster because if the police say that speeding is the number one cause of road fatalities then driver fatigue is certainly the number two cause.
These polycritters react very differently when it's *their* privacy being examined. Is he thus giving any interested parties free reign to examine all the skeletons in his closet?
It's always the same line "because we want protect the children". Yeah, yeah sure you do.
I'm the same, faces for me just won't stick - the first few weeks going to a new employer is torture for me as I'll be bombarded with names and I just can't remember anyone, and of course the problem is multiplied because you're the new guy so everyone knows your name.
I had this problem. I fixed it with:-) THE NAME GAME (-: cause I mainly felt embarrassed to talk to interesting people and have to ask their name again.
First someone tells you their name and you attach a key to their name, like three different Pauls I had to remember Little Paul, medium Paul, big Paul. Gorgeous Georgie, silly stuff. Since it's only for you you can have fun with it and it's never failed me. Shithead Steve, liar Lisa, Charlie cooldood, William wtf, Peter principle, Matt ertransmitter, Debbie dB etc
Works for making good networks of people to. Hope it works for you.
It will be an advantageous position if google can examine the good ideas that people search on that patents don't exist for yet. That is if they maintain an interest in the software.
This in the country where the police don't need an interception warrant to bug your phone, download your email or check you voicemail. Maybe they just don't like Google stepping on their turf.
When you shit in the sandbox you should face some extraordinary rules.
Lets be realistic here, soon this will become a world wide catastrophe taking it beyond Just America as oil starts to get into the international currents and finds itself all over the world. Yeah it's a game, with more pawns than kings and guess what you and I are. Once it's there BP has won the game.
Why? Because realistically no one here cares as long as you can drive and get your groceries. Slowly it will become a blip on the world media and it just doesn't affect you. After a while it will be the whole 'residents lives were destroyed and thats really bad but it's not me' and 'Gee the government really ought to do sumthing about it' kind of apathy will arise and our complacent little lives will once again be complete. Then it will become;
Gee what about that oil spill - yeah terrible, tsk tsk.
And ask yourself when the last time you felt strongly about something you actually wrote a letter to your pollycritter saying how you wanted the matter treated or regulations increased or laws or criminal charges pressed instead of just feeling angry and shouting at the TV before you call this flamebait.
We asked for this shit because we just love it when the PR crew goes down on us and makes us feel like it's all right, it'll be alright, see, just an image change away and some funky 'we've learned our lesson now' ads from BP, maybe a name change or a buy out and we will all throw our money at them again. Heaps cheaper than doing it right.
Here's a fun thing to think about, it's not just global warming but every biological support system that sustains life on this planet is in decline.
There I said it, and we will all go on singing and dancing with full bellys until the next disaster.
S:It's Better Manually
hahaha
W:I've Been Married
hahaha - so was I
S:It's Broken Maan
hahaha - thats a good one
W:I'm Being Managed
hahahaha - you too
S:I Believe Magic
hahahaha - SO DO I
W:I've Been Meeting
Both: Every Day
S:It's Boring Me
pause
pause
W:Well you're not Blue any more
I was just reading your last journal entry. I guess that kind of applied to Tami and your car. Shame about Denis Hopper - I think I might get that movie out and watch it.
I grew up in a family that hunted and ate pretty much everything and it's amazing how badly people can ruin some of the most delicious, healthy meat in the world.
You are so right. In Australia we are lucky enough to be able to eat Kangaroo nom nom. So cute, yet so tasty - actually roo's aren't that cute up close. Sure the does are but the male roos are cranky nasty beasts - lucky they are vegetarians and the leather is quite supple. I hunted these they are skittish and seem to know when you are armed, but I digress.
I find using a skillet with a thick cast iron base and getting it really hot is good for cooking meats like this. 200-300 grams of roo meat cooked on a very hot skillet should be perfectly cooked in under 7 minutes. Olive oil on the skillet so that it flash smokes indicates the skillet is at the perfect temperature, splash some terriaki, a few olives, some mushrooms some bush tomato sauce - OH YEAH now we're talking. Absolutely melts in the mouth, so lean and a great change, tastes awesome. The tail makes a great roast dinner with potatos etc. Lots of nutrients to make me strong.
I often think we are so divorced from our food. I think it's something you can only appreciate when you have hunted for the meal you are eating. Some animal died to fill my belly but somehow it's dignity was raped as it was turned into a quarter pounder. It's one of the reasons I just can't abide the cruelty imposed on animals by factory farming. It makes me wonder if the chemical by-products of it's suffering will make me sick.
Watching these laws being tried and re-tried all over the world demonstrates the will of the establishment in action. These legislations are continually presented all over the world and sometimes I wonder how long it will be before they eventually pass into law. They just keep trying over and over until they get what they want and all our freedom gets diminished into an illusion. Democracy is offered as the ultimate parody of that freedom.
I'm trying hard to remember where I saw a law passed that actually increased our freedoms. It takes a lot of time to read and critique legislation when you do a day job. Whats guiling is there are people out there who are *paid* to lobby for a reduction of freedoms.
It really brings home Jefferson's wisdom when he said "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
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I found these two abstracts that may help. Langmuir adsorption model is used to determine the effects.
I was trying to put some perspective on the BP oil spill for myself and found it's roughly an Exxon Valdez (E.V) disaster every week (based on approx 50,000 bbls per day), so it's 6 E.V's so far. Considering the amount of damage that was done there, local fisheries are now supported by hatcheries so the overall toxicity of the oil spill has pretty much destroyed the ecosystem. Twenty years later not much seems to have improved and Huffington Post reports not only the human health implications but the same-old same-old response we get from these companies as data collection efforts are simply stopped. Ignorance really is bliss and when it's not possible to do any science and politicians in the future can honestly say "The health implications cannot be determined".
That arsenic is a carcinogen that bio-accumulates in the environment means that even if this catastrophe was to stop right now the human health implications are something that will continue to unfold well into the next generation. Airborne pollutants like Hydrogen Sulfide, which took a week to dissipate from E.V just continue.
Bottom line: No-one knows (A metric ass load?). EPA says you can't harvest fish from seawater with a greater concentration of 0.0175 micrograms of Arsenic. Seawater is more capable of containing As than fresh water and there are many other factors (temperature, organic/inorganic As) that determine toxicity. Pressure from the depth of water is also a factor. I think what is being said here is that the Gulf of Mexico's days as a fishery are pretty much over and it's time to drill the shit out of that oil reserve and empty it as soon as possible.
Lets be realistic No-one is going to take the risk of being the "Oh but you made it worse" person that everyone points fingers at so NO-ONE will do ANYTHING. Right now you are seeing the people standing around the dying person bleeding wondering when someone is going to call the ambulance. I blame the greenies, if they'd have protested more none of this would have ever happened and we could have lived our apathetic little lives without an oil spill of this magnitude. As it so happens now we have to live our apathetic little live without the luxury of ignorance going, tsk tsk that oil spill - so bad tsk tsk.
We need more Nuclear Solar or Solar Nuclear. The answer *has* to be Nuclear powered even if it's Solar.
Are you saying the decision to use Yucca Mountain as a Nuclear waste disposal site was a scientific decision, because it was actually a political decision.
Thats what you really meant, right? Because that's what the science says, and you don't need a degree in nuclear physics, geology or hydrology to understand why.
If there is a (probably) gas giant that far out I wonder what the likehood is of any smaller planets inside that planet's orbit(?)
That and raising speed limits on freeways to get people home faster because if the police say that speeding is the number one cause of road fatalities then driver fatigue is certainly the number two cause.
These polycritters react very differently when it's *their* privacy being examined. Is he thus giving any interested parties free reign to examine all the skeletons in his closet?
It's always the same line "because we want protect the children". Yeah, yeah sure you do.
I had this problem. I fixed it with :-) THE NAME GAME (-: cause I mainly felt embarrassed to talk to interesting people and have to ask their name again.
First someone tells you their name and you attach a key to their name, like three different Pauls I had to remember Little Paul, medium Paul, big Paul. Gorgeous Georgie, silly stuff. Since it's only for you you can have fun with it and it's never failed me. Shithead Steve, liar Lisa, Charlie cooldood, William wtf, Peter principle, Matt ertransmitter, Debbie dB etc
Works for making good networks of people to. Hope it works for you.
It's only tested against 1000 names, but I guess it's a start.
Well it's no moon.
as if millions of space nerds suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
So they're Wang King undies?
It will be an advantageous position if google can examine the good ideas that people search on that patents don't exist for yet. That is if they maintain an interest in the software.
Dammit, I thought I was being original, it was spur of the moment type thing.
This in the country where the police don't need an interception warrant to bug your phone, download your email or check you voicemail. Maybe they just don't like Google stepping on their turf.
TheJokeExplainer is being like the pubic hair in the meal someone *was* enjoying then going MU HAHAHAHA at the dastardly evil genius of the deed.
I'm guessing you are new here and have spent a lot of time on 4chan.
Thats alarming.
Lets be realistic here, soon this will become a world wide catastrophe taking it beyond Just America as oil starts to get into the international currents and finds itself all over the world. Yeah it's a game, with more pawns than kings and guess what you and I are. Once it's there BP has won the game.
Why? Because realistically no one here cares as long as you can drive and get your groceries. Slowly it will become a blip on the world media and it just doesn't affect you. After a while it will be the whole 'residents lives were destroyed and thats really bad but it's not me' and 'Gee the government really ought to do sumthing about it' kind of apathy will arise and our complacent little lives will once again be complete. Then it will become;
Gee what about that oil spill - yeah terrible, tsk tsk.
And ask yourself when the last time you felt strongly about something you actually wrote a letter to your pollycritter saying how you wanted the matter treated or regulations increased or laws or criminal charges pressed instead of just feeling angry and shouting at the TV before you call this flamebait.
We asked for this shit because we just love it when the PR crew goes down on us and makes us feel like it's all right, it'll be alright, see, just an image change away and some funky 'we've learned our lesson now' ads from BP, maybe a name change or a buy out and we will all throw our money at them again. Heaps cheaper than doing it right.
Here's a fun thing to think about, it's not just global warming but every biological support system that sustains life on this planet is in decline.
There I said it, and we will all go on singing and dancing with full bellys until the next disaster.
I'm pretty sure this oil was released by actually drilling for it as opposed to natural means.
I'm not an expert though.
It makes Humanity smarter but Internet users dumerer.
Both:Not any more, hahahahahaha
and then, uncontrollably
S:It's Better Manually hahaha W:I've Been Married hahaha - so was I S:It's Broken Maan hahaha - thats a good one W:I'm Being Managed hahahaha - you too S:I Believe Magic hahahaha - SO DO I W:I've Been Meeting Both: Every Day S:It's Boring Me pause pause W:Well you're not Blue any more*Both Laugh*
I was just reading your last journal entry. I guess that kind of applied to Tami and your car. Shame about Denis Hopper - I think I might get that movie out and watch it.
You are so right. In Australia we are lucky enough to be able to eat Kangaroo nom nom. So cute, yet so tasty - actually roo's aren't that cute up close. Sure the does are but the male roos are cranky nasty beasts - lucky they are vegetarians and the leather is quite supple. I hunted these they are skittish and seem to know when you are armed, but I digress.
I find using a skillet with a thick cast iron base and getting it really hot is good for cooking meats like this. 200-300 grams of roo meat cooked on a very hot skillet should be perfectly cooked in under 7 minutes. Olive oil on the skillet so that it flash smokes indicates the skillet is at the perfect temperature, splash some terriaki, a few olives, some mushrooms some bush tomato sauce - OH YEAH now we're talking. Absolutely melts in the mouth, so lean and a great change, tastes awesome. The tail makes a great roast dinner with potatos etc. Lots of nutrients to make me strong.
I often think we are so divorced from our food. I think it's something you can only appreciate when you have hunted for the meal you are eating. Some animal died to fill my belly but somehow it's dignity was raped as it was turned into a quarter pounder. It's one of the reasons I just can't abide the cruelty imposed on animals by factory farming. It makes me wonder if the chemical by-products of it's suffering will make me sick.
Watching these laws being tried and re-tried all over the world demonstrates the will of the establishment in action. These legislations are continually presented all over the world and sometimes I wonder how long it will be before they eventually pass into law. They just keep trying over and over until they get what they want and all our freedom gets diminished into an illusion. Democracy is offered as the ultimate parody of that freedom.
I'm trying hard to remember where I saw a law passed that actually increased our freedoms. It takes a lot of time to read and critique legislation when you do a day job. Whats guiling is there are people out there who are *paid* to lobby for a reduction of freedoms.
It really brings home Jefferson's wisdom when he said "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
At least we know what the point is now.