But if the banks do happen to get a Tivoized ATM from a third-party they could excersize the GPLv3 for any GPLv3 covered works to inspect, enhance and fix possibly intentional security vulnerabilities. Something everyone choses not to think about today. No one pay attention to the nekkid emperor.
Do you miss your 30-second skip feature? What about the ability to edit past recordings? D'oh, don't believe they ever had that one.. Awww How much you pay for that thing?:)
You're no zealot. Zealots support Free Software even when the alternatives are better, for ideological reason. Since the FSF did not diverged from its ideology I do not understand your reasons for leaving. But I honestly don't believe you were a zealot, because I am.
BTW, you know you're wrong about the FSF blessing DRM, they clearly prevent it from interfering with those 4 Freedoms, so what's your problem? Did you bother to read the license? Its says if you convey a covered work you waive any legal power to forbid circumvention of technical measures, and in addition to that it says you disclaim any intention to limit operation or modification of the work as a means of enforcing, against the work's users, your or third parties' legal rights to forbid circumvention of technical measures.
This is what Tivo can't tolerate and what real honest to goodness zealots of Free Software, like me, absolutely love about the FSF. They deliver.
Should we also thank them for using our Intellectual Property in their products? I say they should be thanking this community for helping them cut costs. The easiest and most meaningful way to do this is by contributing code upstream. It could also save some maintenance costs, so it isn't exactly like we're looking a gift horse in the mouth. Its just a regular old commercial race horse who needs to win the next race or they get put to sleep.
Oh, that's sarcasm.. Coming from the almighty Bruce of Open Source, I almost thought you were saying the GPL somehow supresses sharing. But you're so right. The media is playing rhetorical games that could damage the whole industry. It started back with SCO, but now its Microsoft that carries the tune. This has to stop, its not just Free Software under threat, its any open source software under any license that may or may not violate patents from any litigious monopoly.
Like Jonathan Schwartz was saying, the FOSS genie is out of the bottle. Microsoft is attempting to push it back but its way too late. However, Microsoft just released a genie of their own. Its not quite as cuddly and lovable as the FOSS genie, no, this patent genie is pure evil designed to damage and stifle competition instead of encourage innovation.
So to sum up. FOSS genie: encourages innovation with ethically licensed IP MS genie: kills innovation dead with patents
Its easy, just boycott Microsoft. I hereby call for an official boycott, effective immediately. Microsoft is not promoting a healthy and competitive tech industry. If you care about technology and the economy then stop buying, selling or promoting Microsoft products. Instead recommend alternatives from ethical competitors.
Linux is an obvious choice. But so is BSD, Solaris, HPUX, AIX, OSX, and anything not affiliated, partnered or influenced by Microsoft.
When monopolies choose to declare war on their customers we'll give them what they ask for, competition.
You call yourself a technophile? When I think of audiophile I don't think of someone technically competent about audio equipment, I think of someone who buys brand name cables at 3x the price because they believe it sounds better to their ears. Fine by me, but I'm a geek. I haven't even looked at a SonyEricsson or Nokia phone. The last phone I had was the Motorola 680i. The next one I get will be the Fic Neo 1973, hopefully with Java FX and some lovely hardware surprises.
But aside from all that I agree with you, the iPhone is overhyped, IMO. How much do you want to pay for graphics vs. useful features? In fact, it looks like the cell phone market might cannibalize the iPod market, this can't be good for Apple unless they take the lead.
Why not just call it "Sims in the City" then? If its not really SimCity why call it that? I liked SC4, even though I couldn't really play it on Linux. But I doubt I will be interested in anything that has to do with the Sims family of games. They were fun for a bit, but I'm on to other things now. B&W2 will hopefully be working on Cedega soon. And any new games that support Linux natively will be on the top of my list to try and recommend.
Then why is it legal for me to time-shift Jon Stweart on my Tivo at home and show it to my friends?
They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want laws so strict that its technically illegal for me to even show content to my family, yet have me agree that these laws are somehow sane. When technology reached a point so I could have a movie library on my fileserver they give us a new law, the DMCA, to prevent us from "stealing" their content, even after we have paid for it.
How is redistributing "news" clips not educational? Is the point of copyright to protect each and every second of audio, video and thought that goes into a product? Why do we allow people to repeat what is said on TV? Its all high value copyrighted media that belongs to a few large corporations who we should love for giving us the privelege of purchasing a few minutes of their most popular content at premium prices. They even tell us what is popular and who we should watch. It seems to me like they only want me watching Jon Stewart on pay per view, or steal it from a friend who has cable, but only if we don't fast forward through the commercials.
Viacom has to provide evidence that Google has damaged them to the sum of $1.2 billion. Somehow I suspect the damages to be a lot less, if any. Google is distributing, at best, lesser quality time-shifted copies. I doubt anyone can claim their flash based player competes with the experience of from the original DVD. And that is the only content Viacom distributes that has any value, IMO. Google/YouTube isn't distributing many full length movies last time I checked. The only ones I've seen are old or potentially out of copyright / free to distribute in their respective countries, etc.
I just think this whole world-wide economy with copyrights and patents and laws is a bit too complex for some old-timers to get a grip on. The local laws may not apply everywhere. Google's content comes from everywhere. They even put up blocks to prevent some content from crossing borders that might fall in a legal gray area, covered by copyright treaties and such, what more can we ask? That they simply stop distributing all content until its owner is verified and contacted for approval? I guess the alternative might be for them to simply link to the content that can be served from their respective countries and let Viacom sue each of the posters individually.. somehow I think Viacom prefers attacking Google directly for profit. Doubt many posters have $1.2 billion to pay for the damages they must be causing.
What isn't obvious is although Stephen Hawking might sound to you like a religious fanatic, its a lot harder to find a priest who could teach a university phsyics course, let alone write the book on it.
I may not agree with everything he says, but I suspect he's got plenty of evidence to back it up, unlike those who believe the stories of a 2000 year old book on blind faith.
All I want is the truth. The first person who honestly tries to bring it my way gets my vote.
Besides, these wacko physicists are always trying to explain things with water bubbles and surface tension. Its the first chapter of the theoretical physics book, some fun stuff to think about too, all those swirling patterns of soap in the water, reflecting different colors of light off its surface, like a prism, etc. To get upset for not knowing where the water comes from is missing the point.
I mean, it would be good to get Samba, Cedega, Wine, OpenOffice, etc. fully functional, but what if we spend 20 years trying to make Linux 100% Windows XP compatible and still have problems installing apps or working with documents? They are just going to make it exceedingly more difficult to interoperate.
I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually Tivoized the OS so you had virtually no access to the raw binary data for the OS or DRM protected apps at any level. That seems to be the direction we're headed.
Look at what Microsoft has done to Vista. They've turned it into a Fortress. Designed to keep the competition out, and help their partners lock you, the customer, in to DRM and their ideology of greed.
But that's not a good thing. That's not a good model for Linux to follow. We need to learn when to say enough is enough and simply forget they exist. Because, without them, without their stupid opinions about DRM and profits, we could make a lot more progress.
Want to solve the interoperability problem? Choose Linux.
Its always time to build Linux, but not into a fortress, into a Free Marketplace. No point waiting for Microsoft to come around to our way of thinking. We can do it with or without them. I am not interested in making Linux work with Windows anymore. I'm interested in making Linux work well with itself and my hardware.
If Microsoft were more open minded about cooperation then the efforts to make Linux and Windows interoperable over the years would have been a huge success. But obviously, they are not. Who is the only one to blame for this mess here? Microsoft.
"Making software interoperable by design", according to Microsoft they will be designing new software the is capable of interoperating with the alternatives because it uses OpenXML(tm).
However, the community has already built OpenOffice (a complete office suite, designed to be interoperable with Microsoft's Office document formats, OpenXML not necessary). Any help from Microsoft here? Nope. None. And take a look at Mono and Samba and all the IP conflicts Microsoft gives them. And now Microsoft threatens to sue anyone who doesn't sign their interoperability deal. Brilliant! That's a good way to make new friends, NOT!
The ONLY weapon Microsoft has to assault Linux is their patent portfolio. They would have to be willing to launch a full scale nuclear assault, and I know the amount of PR fallout from such an attack would destroy them.
So, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself, i.e. propoganda.
You don't understand a hydrogen economy, do you? You simply use hydrogen to store energy that later turns back into fresh clean water when and where you extract the energy from it.
Long, deep memories, like elephants? What are you smoking? Don't know about you, but my memory is like a human's who has been psychologically traumatized by their government and corporations for 5 years, and spent a good deal of that time stoned.
I'm a Linux zealot, and I try not to forget, but forgiving is easy. All you have to do is see the light, learn how to coexist, etc. I forgive Sun. GNU software can replace the old commercial way of doing things, but it doesn't have to.
I love feeling the power in simple things like Intellectual Property Rights and Free Speech and these Copyleft Licenses.
This supposed enemy of Free Software is capitalism and it will be more than happy to adopt Free Software when it becomes more profitable than the alternatives. Microsoft knows this. That's why they're shakin in their booties. The only hope they have is to prolong the inevitable.
Modern culture? More like technology and science is clashing with moral values, which are derived from religion and a bit from tradition, but mostly sustained by the media.
Our technology and understanding of reality, right and wrong, ethics and how they are different than morals, is what is clashing against the old tired traditions of women working in the kitchen and raising the kids and men doing the hard work at the mill. Now we all sit in cubes or have most of the heavy lifting done with tools. And our understanding of psychology has led us to drop a lot of the misconception a lot of us still hold dear. So the problem is more one of the Lexus driver being drunk at the wheel than the olive tree getting in the way.
Yes, but I can still extract Hydrogen from mud, so what's your point? Why are you commenting on the lack of clean water for hydrating animals as if its relates to energy economics? Its a completely different problem altogether. Once the energy problem is fixed, then I think getting clean water everywhere will be a lot easier by truck than by foot, don't you?
So by your logic its too hard to distribute clean water and too hard to extract "industrtial levels" of hydrogen from probes in the middle of the ocean, so what, just die when the oil runs out? Gee thanks, brilliant. Got any other ideas?
It doesn't matter. Each electron you harvest is one you don't have to extract from uranium or oil. A distributed approach could easily provide the 265 square mile surface area and significantly reduce the distance the energy travels before use.
So maybe only small solar plants would need to be built in the usual places to provide the extra power a distributed grid wouldn't be able to generate on its own.
But all of this requires so much cooperation on everyone's part that it is really impossible. Nobody cares. We already got the power infrastructure. We already deliver power to cities everywhere. We already have the solar technology and this technology appears to be improving at a remarkable rate. Double efficiency in 5 years? Unheard of! Yet we don't care. Its not oil, its not nuclear, so its not power, even tho it can easily run a computer or a car today without any investment in R&D. But its not good enough and never will be. A single square inch solar cell will never have the energy potential of a square inch of uranium. So just give up. That's the message I'm hearing from everyone.
4+ socket monsters are not meant for desktop/home use.
It remains to be seem what AMD has up their sleeve. They better have something good for their own sake, because as you showed, Intel today has more or less consumed the desktop market and might own up to 4-socket class servers with price/performance/watt. But AMD has 65nm up and running and I heard rumors of a two-die quad core design a few months back. If they bring out a quad core chip today it will easily compete head-to-head with Intel's QX6700 and clovertowns, until Intel can fix the FSB.
I know some articles claimed AMD's new desktop quad FX thing disappointed, but actually they do compete with the QX6700 clock-for-clock and would be the only option for "cheap" desktop 8-core, if AMD brings a quad core chip to market soon. I wouldn't count them out just yet.
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But if the banks do happen to get a Tivoized ATM from a third-party they could excersize the GPLv3 for any GPLv3 covered works to inspect, enhance and fix possibly intentional security vulnerabilities. Something everyone choses not to think about today. No one pay attention to the nekkid emperor.
Do you miss your 30-second skip feature? :)
What about the ability to edit past recordings? D'oh, don't believe they ever had that one.. Awww
How much you pay for that thing?
You're no zealot. Zealots support Free Software even when the alternatives are better, for ideological reason. Since the FSF did not diverged from its ideology I do not understand your reasons for leaving. But I honestly don't believe you were a zealot, because I am.
BTW, you know you're wrong about the FSF blessing DRM, they clearly prevent it from interfering with those 4 Freedoms, so what's your problem? Did you bother to read the license? Its says if you convey a covered work you waive any legal power to forbid circumvention of technical measures, and in addition to that it says you disclaim any intention to limit operation or modification of the work as a means of enforcing, against the work's users, your or third parties' legal rights to forbid circumvention of technical measures.
This is what Tivo can't tolerate and what real honest to goodness zealots of Free Software, like me, absolutely love about the FSF. They deliver.
Should we also thank them for using our Intellectual Property in their products? I say they should be thanking this community for helping them cut costs. The easiest and most meaningful way to do this is by contributing code upstream. It could also save some maintenance costs, so it isn't exactly like we're looking a gift horse in the mouth. Its just a regular old commercial race horse who needs to win the next race or they get put to sleep.
Oh, that's sarcasm.. Coming from the almighty Bruce of Open Source, I almost thought you were saying the GPL somehow supresses sharing. But you're so right. The media is playing rhetorical games that could damage the whole industry. It started back with SCO, but now its Microsoft that carries the tune. This has to stop, its not just Free Software under threat, its any open source software under any license that may or may not violate patents from any litigious monopoly.
Like Jonathan Schwartz was saying, the FOSS genie is out of the bottle. Microsoft is attempting to push it back but its way too late. However, Microsoft just released a genie of their own. Its not quite as cuddly and lovable as the FOSS genie, no, this patent genie is pure evil designed to damage and stifle competition instead of encourage innovation.
So to sum up.
FOSS genie: encourages innovation with ethically licensed IP
MS genie: kills innovation dead with patents
Please choose carefully.
Its easy, just boycott Microsoft. I hereby call for an official boycott, effective immediately. Microsoft is not promoting a healthy and competitive tech industry. If you care about technology and the economy then stop buying, selling or promoting Microsoft products. Instead recommend alternatives from ethical competitors.
Linux is an obvious choice.
But so is BSD, Solaris, HPUX, AIX, OSX, and anything not affiliated, partnered or influenced by Microsoft.
When monopolies choose to declare war on their customers we'll give them what they ask for, competition.
You call yourself a technophile? When I think of audiophile I don't think of someone technically competent about audio equipment, I think of someone who buys brand name cables at 3x the price because they believe it sounds better to their ears. Fine by me, but I'm a geek. I haven't even looked at a SonyEricsson or Nokia phone. The last phone I had was the Motorola 680i. The next one I get will be the Fic Neo 1973, hopefully with Java FX and some lovely hardware surprises.
But aside from all that I agree with you, the iPhone is overhyped, IMO. How much do you want to pay for graphics vs. useful features? In fact, it looks like the cell phone market might cannibalize the iPod market, this can't be good for Apple unless they take the lead.
Why not just call it "Sims in the City" then? If its not really SimCity why call it that? I liked SC4, even though I couldn't really play it on Linux. But I doubt I will be interested in anything that has to do with the Sims family of games. They were fun for a bit, but I'm on to other things now. B&W2 will hopefully be working on Cedega soon. And any new games that support Linux natively will be on the top of my list to try and recommend.
Then why is it legal for me to time-shift Jon Stweart on my Tivo at home and show it to my friends?
They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want laws so strict that its technically illegal for me to even show content to my family, yet have me agree that these laws are somehow sane. When technology reached a point so I could have a movie library on my fileserver they give us a new law, the DMCA, to prevent us from "stealing" their content, even after we have paid for it.
How is redistributing "news" clips not educational? Is the point of copyright to protect each and every second of audio, video and thought that goes into a product? Why do we allow people to repeat what is said on TV? Its all high value copyrighted media that belongs to a few large corporations who we should love for giving us the privelege of purchasing a few minutes of their most popular content at premium prices. They even tell us what is popular and who we should watch. It seems to me like they only want me watching Jon Stewart on pay per view, or steal it from a friend who has cable, but only if we don't fast forward through the commercials.
Besides, I'm finding people on youtube more entertaining than Comedy Central:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHN1gBkx0M
YouTube is cool, check out the reply videos and schtuff. People are awesome!
Viacom has to provide evidence that Google has damaged them to the sum of $1.2 billion. Somehow I suspect the damages to be a lot less, if any. Google is distributing, at best, lesser quality time-shifted copies. I doubt anyone can claim their flash based player competes with the experience of from the original DVD. And that is the only content Viacom distributes that has any value, IMO. Google/YouTube isn't distributing many full length movies last time I checked. The only ones I've seen are old or potentially out of copyright / free to distribute in their respective countries, etc.
I just think this whole world-wide economy with copyrights and patents and laws is a bit too complex for some old-timers to get a grip on. The local laws may not apply everywhere. Google's content comes from everywhere. They even put up blocks to prevent some content from crossing borders that might fall in a legal gray area, covered by copyright treaties and such, what more can we ask? That they simply stop distributing all content until its owner is verified and contacted for approval? I guess the alternative might be for them to simply link to the content that can be served from their respective countries and let Viacom sue each of the posters individually.. somehow I think Viacom prefers attacking Google directly for profit. Doubt many posters have $1.2 billion to pay for the damages they must be causing.
What isn't obvious is although Stephen Hawking might sound to you like a religious fanatic, its a lot harder to find a priest who could teach a university phsyics course, let alone write the book on it.
I may not agree with everything he says, but I suspect he's got plenty of evidence to back it up, unlike those who believe the stories of a 2000 year old book on blind faith.
All I want is the truth. The first person who honestly tries to bring it my way gets my vote.
Besides, these wacko physicists are always trying to explain things with water bubbles and surface tension. Its the first chapter of the theoretical physics book, some fun stuff to think about too, all those swirling patterns of soap in the water, reflecting different colors of light off its surface, like a prism, etc. To get upset for not knowing where the water comes from is missing the point.
The space missions were only there to distract us from the wars.
Yeah, did all that LSD I took put me in some alternate universe where wrong is alright?
Nah, I'll stick with GTA and the capitalist american theme. The only changes I would make would be to add torture and rape into my arsenal of Freedom.
I mean, it would be good to get Samba, Cedega, Wine, OpenOffice, etc. fully functional, but what if we spend 20 years trying to make Linux 100% Windows XP compatible and still have problems installing apps or working with documents? They are just going to make it exceedingly more difficult to interoperate.
I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually Tivoized the OS so you had virtually no access to the raw binary data for the OS or DRM protected apps at any level. That seems to be the direction we're headed.
Look at what Microsoft has done to Vista. They've turned it into a Fortress. Designed to keep the competition out, and help their partners lock you, the customer, in to DRM and their ideology of greed.
But that's not a good thing. That's not a good model for Linux to follow. We need to learn when to say enough is enough and simply forget they exist. Because, without them, without their stupid opinions about DRM and profits, we could make a lot more progress.
Want to solve the interoperability problem? Choose Linux.
Its always time to build Linux, but not into a fortress, into a Free Marketplace. No point waiting for Microsoft to come around to our way of thinking. We can do it with or without them. I am not interested in making Linux work with Windows anymore. I'm interested in making Linux work well with itself and my hardware.
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If Microsoft were more open minded about cooperation then the efforts to make Linux and Windows interoperable over the years would have been a huge success. But obviously, they are not. Who is the only one to blame for this mess here? Microsoft.
I mean, just look at what interoperability means to Microsoft:
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/execmail/2005/02-
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/default.mspx
"Making software interoperable by design", according to Microsoft they will be designing new software the is capable of interoperating with the alternatives because it uses OpenXML(tm).
However, the community has already built OpenOffice (a complete office suite, designed to be interoperable with Microsoft's Office document formats, OpenXML not necessary). Any help from Microsoft here? Nope. None. And take a look at Mono and Samba and all the IP conflicts Microsoft gives them. And now Microsoft threatens to sue anyone who doesn't sign their interoperability deal. Brilliant! That's a good way to make new friends, NOT!
The ONLY weapon Microsoft has to assault Linux is their patent portfolio. They would have to be willing to launch a full scale nuclear assault, and I know the amount of PR fallout from such an attack would destroy them.
So, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself, i.e. propoganda.
Again, where's your logic?
You don't understand a hydrogen economy, do you? You simply use hydrogen to store energy that later turns back into fresh clean water when and where you extract the energy from it.
Is that really hard for you to comprehend?
Long, deep memories, like elephants? What are you smoking? Don't know about you, but my memory is like a human's who has been psychologically traumatized by their government and corporations for 5 years, and spent a good deal of that time stoned.
I'm a Linux zealot, and I try not to forget, but forgiving is easy. All you have to do is see the light, learn how to coexist, etc. I forgive Sun. GNU software can replace the old commercial way of doing things, but it doesn't have to.
I love feeling the power in simple things like Intellectual Property Rights and Free Speech and these Copyleft Licenses.
This supposed enemy of Free Software is capitalism and it will be more than happy to adopt Free Software when it becomes more profitable than the alternatives. Microsoft knows this. That's why they're shakin in their booties. The only hope they have is to prolong the inevitable.
Our modern culture is clashing with our values
Modern culture? More like technology and science is clashing with moral values, which are derived from religion and a bit from tradition, but mostly sustained by the media.
Our technology and understanding of reality, right and wrong, ethics and how they are different than morals, is what is clashing against the old tired traditions of women working in the kitchen and raising the kids and men doing the hard work at the mill. Now we all sit in cubes or have most of the heavy lifting done with tools. And our understanding of psychology has led us to drop a lot of the misconception a lot of us still hold dear. So the problem is more one of the Lexus driver being drunk at the wheel than the olive tree getting in the way.
Yes, but I can still extract Hydrogen from mud, so what's your point? Why are you commenting on the lack of clean water for hydrating animals as if its relates to energy economics? Its a completely different problem altogether. Once the energy problem is fixed, then I think getting clean water everywhere will be a lot easier by truck than by foot, don't you?
So by your logic its too hard to distribute clean water and too hard to extract "industrtial levels" of hydrogen from probes in the middle of the ocean, so what, just die when the oil runs out? Gee thanks, brilliant. Got any other ideas?
It doesn't matter. Each electron you harvest is one you don't have to extract from uranium or oil. A distributed approach could easily provide the 265 square mile surface area and significantly reduce the distance the energy travels before use.
So maybe only small solar plants would need to be built in the usual places to provide the extra power a distributed grid wouldn't be able to generate on its own.
But all of this requires so much cooperation on everyone's part that it is really impossible. Nobody cares. We already got the power infrastructure. We already deliver power to cities everywhere. We already have the solar technology and this technology appears to be improving at a remarkable rate. Double efficiency in 5 years? Unheard of! Yet we don't care. Its not oil, its not nuclear, so its not power, even tho it can easily run a computer or a car today without any investment in R&D. But its not good enough and never will be. A single square inch solar cell will never have the energy potential of a square inch of uranium. So just give up. That's the message I'm hearing from everyone.
I think that's the perspective of a coward.
4+ socket monsters are not meant for desktop/home use.
It remains to be seem what AMD has up their sleeve. They better have something good for their own sake, because as you showed, Intel today has more or less consumed the desktop market and might own up to 4-socket class servers with price/performance/watt. But AMD has 65nm up and running and I heard rumors of a two-die quad core design a few months back. If they bring out a quad core chip today it will easily compete head-to-head with Intel's QX6700 and clovertowns, until Intel can fix the FSB.
I know some articles claimed AMD's new desktop quad FX thing disappointed, but actually they do compete with the QX6700 clock-for-clock and would be the only option for "cheap" desktop 8-core, if AMD brings a quad core chip to market soon. I wouldn't count them out just yet.
You'll have to take that up with Congress and the Supreme Court.
You say that as if they're some sort of respected authority.
it's pretty clear the media companies wouldn't approve of this.
Now just who is the real authority here? Who paid for the law?
Do you respect them?
What useful item has been produced out of this or any of the other spurious "copyright" or "intellectual property" cases?
:)
Windows!