And I'm sure it had nothing to do with how bad a reputation Netscape 6.x got from AOL marketting's poor choice on release dates. If they had release mozilla 1.0 as Netscape 6.0 everyone would think of Netscape differently today. We would perceive it as something new and useful instead of something old and buggy.
Where would you be if the internet or Linux didn't exist? What if your only options for communication were AOL and MS software and services. You can't block spam or pop-ups or advertisements. You can't record movies off the cable TV you pay for. You are forced to watch advertisements with every bit of media or not watch the media at all. And ALL your communications are monitored by your government and corporations for demographic data mining and policing. That's the world we will be living in if people like me give up this fight for freedom. Is that the world you want to live in? I don't really care. Its a lot of effort learning about all the technology and legislation that they are trying to use against us. The main reason I've been concerned with this is I use Linux and the internet. Been using them for years. They are nothing new, but all this legislation and post 9/11 stuff is new and is a real threat to my way of life. But I don't have to live in America and help American businesses with their systems and network troubles. I'm just having a hard time finding other countries and companies that want to work instead of make money. Communism is looking better all the time, the more I live in a capitalist society.
And where'd they get the money for those computer systems? I hope I didn't pay for any of that. Its bad enough that we spend millions for a system called Eschelon that does nothing to help gather intelligence that was previously reported to those intelligence agencies about the 911 attack. But now we have the next version. Bigger and better, but of course they're spying on the wrong people. You and me, not the terrorists that we're supposed to be affraid of. I just want my government to go away and admit it was a failure, incompetent and incapable of providing the safety I paid it for.
I agree, but for different reasons. I like my linux just the way it is. Mostly open and free. If EVERYONE started using it it would be adopted by commercial interests and the next thing ya know we'd have GNOME virusses spreading through the net.
If the president of the company dies then all their creations fall into public domain. If, however, the software in question was started by someone in the company other than the president, when the pres died that other person would still own the copyright to their code. This way no OS or application could exist for more than 100 years without its copyright expiring, and the real author gets total control of the app, including all the modifications paid for by his employer. Does a corporation deserve the rights to a product created by someone else? Do you? I don't.
I met someone with a CCIE. He was cool. Liked to drink a lot. The "cool" thing about the CCIE certification is it requires you to retake it every couple years. So if you have a CCIE most likely you're uptodate on the current technology and really understand networks. But having a CCIE was worth far more when only 3000 people carried that title. But that's too much detailed network knowledge for me. I probably couldn't even pass that test if I tried. I'm affraid network technology is going to change SO much in the next 5 years it'll make the last 5 feel like a walk in the park. 5 years ago I didn't know what TCP/IP was. Today I wish I could forget.
I would reply to this, but the last comment I read said it all. So I'll reply anyway.:P These things aren't important because they are virtual. But so is IP and law. The next version of the DMCA may make open source OSs illegal because they lack and always will lack digital rights management. Now who really cares about digital rights management? I know my rights. I don't break the law by exercizing my rights to fair use. But I do break the law whenever I play my DVDs on my linux box.:( I don't want to go to jail or be fined or stoned to death for these virtual crimes. They don't really matter, right? Then tell that to the MPAA, RIAA, and our representatives.
But asking a sys admin to do the work is what got you into this problem in the first place. To get a truly simple UI you'll probably have to ask a truly simple person how they would like to work on a computer. Or have your marketting department design something. Its easy for me to customize my desktop the way I like it. But I like having 3 hidden panels, 8 virtual desktops and kill anything that even thinks about popping up on me. I think it would be just as easy if we could teach users how to customize their own desktop. Its really as easy as right clicking, for GNOME. And KDE doesn't even need customizing if you know how to read and use windows. What gets me so frustrated is how everyone talks like these people are retarded. They're not. They can learn, we just rarely expect them to. I bet if you sat a windows word user down at a freshly installed/configured Redhat 7.3 system running GNOME and openoffice and told them they had to learn how to use that system or leave the company they'd be printing out reports for you in less than an hour.
That's an interresting situation. My first thought was they'll right click on the desktop. But then that got me to thinking. I know of 5 different places to look to change the background. I know Windows 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 98se, 2000, XP, NT 3.51, 4.0, Solaris, IRIX, HPUX, AIX, OSF, OSX, and Linux. Its difficult for me to put myself in their place sometimes. But users are not stupid. They're ignorant. Just like me. And they probably don't like change anymore than I do.
If we could make learning linux fun and if they could somehow understand that while using linux they probably won't be able to break their computer or their OS. Maybe these things will help them transition over. The applications will be there next year if they aren't solid stable already. I think it would be far more valuable for a company to leverage its employees to retrain and educate the rest of the employees instead of outsourcing. But then again I always think it would be better to do things in house than outsource. I wouldn't make a very good manager.
I like GNOME just the way it is. Its highly customizable. Just right click on any panel (task bar or whatever you want to call it) and you can get to that panel's properties through a menu. You can change its size, type, configuration, etc. all from that menu. You can add new panels, add new items to the panel, create drawers and launcher icons, etc. Right clicking on an icon can get you to the properties so you can launch custom applications or scripts right from a single click on the panel. Plus you can modify the icons for all your favorite applications so they look like YOU want them to. That's why I prefer GNOME. But KDE also has a lot of very user friendly features and isn't quite as complex as GNOME. Together they make the untimate desktop.:)
Or maybe even have some of your linux users show off Galeon. That alone is enough incentive for me to switch, but I'm a linux admin and I like my data to serve me, not the other way around.
Yes, but what about damages, lost work, and the invasion of private/confidential data? Can't you sue the BSA if they falsely audit you, as well as the courts/state that gave them the warrant? It seems to me if you are a linux company your primary software would be GNU software and that should make it difficult if not impossible for the BSA to get a warrant. They would have no reason to suspect you of infringing on anyone's copyright.
being able to touch something that was written 4,000 years ago is a much different experience.
That's true. Just the other day I picked up a rock, and man that thing was the most amazing experience. Just imagine how long that rock had been sitting there, or where it came from. Its probably much older than 4000 years, but it made me feel good knowing I got to have my time with it.
Not true. Did you learn that from some economics class? Would you expect us to live like cavemen, simply because we no longer had dollar bills? We still have trucks and planes and ships and computer networks. But maybe you're right. Maybe people would forget how to think if you didn't waive that dollar bill in front of their face. What I'm saying is rather simple. We stop charging for anything. You go to the store and grab what you want. The store still figures out how much you bought and schedules a new shipment based on the demographics we're already gathering. The only difference is you don't have to dig in your wallet to pay for your items. They could most likely just be scanned wireless as you walk out the door. Everyone needs to eat, but not everyone needs 10 cars. So maybe we could have a collection of vehicle to share and allot every person one personal vehicle of their choice. You still would have to work like you do now but your goals would be different. Instead of the end goal to make money your end goal would be to make a better product or to make your company work more efficiently. See, in my twisted fucked up mind I think this thing could work. But only if EVERYONE got on the same fucking page and started thinking to solve problems and create efficient automated systems to produce our products and share. I think that's it. None of us know how to share. Houses are not designed for living. Their designed to sell for a profit. That's why we have building codes. Cars are not designed for driving, their designed for profits, just like books and music and movies and software and computers and government. We're in the business of creating jobs. Its like make-work-day. We should be in the business of replacing jobs with automation so people can be home with their families producing better, loving, caring people to think up the next generation of technology, etc, etc, etc. We should... quit. You should. You should quit. You should quit tramatizing women with sexual intercourse.
I completely agree. With automated online billing services through my credit union I don't have to think about making those payments on time, and when I want to cancel I just stop sending payment and maybe give the companies a courtesy call for heads up. I don't care about my credit. I've learned to pay cash for everything. But unfortunately I'm still forced to care about money (y'know, if I care to live in a capitalist society).
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That's when I'd cancel my Amex card and say "Fuck Credit"
livelihood is being removed by technology - factory workers into robots, craftsmen replaced by factories.... musical groups replaced by one producer and a machine. Local businesses going under because transportation technology is good enough that importing is cheaper.
Exactly, but these are all good things for society. These help make us more productive. What we need to learn how to do is start providing for those workers and craftsmen and music groups, giving them the tools and technology to continue to do whatever job they like doing, and the home and food to survive and support their families. We're becoming more productive, but all that extra productivity is going into the CEOs and VCs and Producer's pockets. In order to take it back I think the only thing we could do is develope some sort of fake/free money, like a credit card that all these displaced workers get as they get laid off from corps that need to downsize. Then the balance will have to be paid by everyone raising taxes until essentially money is worthless... no stratch that, bad idea. That idead involves anarchy and mass hysteria and propoganda campaigns and concentration camps, its just bad.
Actually I bet life would be a lot simpler without money. But one can only dream of such a life.
I got the solution. Lets get rid of all the money. Then they can't be bought. Or could they. That's almost like the tree falling in the forest thing. If a politician was stuck in a forest and there's no money around to hear him would he make a sound?
I like the thought of converting sunlight into energy using solar panels on roof tops. And maybe combine that with this wave energy and run all our vehicles off electric/hydrogen engines. You could have a small hydrogen generators in everyone's car that just hooks into their home. I think electromagnetic energy is far more powerful than what you get from combusting oxygen and hydrogen, but hydrogen engines might be more efficient. We just got to think up new efficient ways to transport electricity and ourselves.
For vehicles I like the idea of storing mechanical energy, like a flywheel braking system. If we had a few flywheels to store the energy when we stop we could use those flywheels for quick acceleration and the eletric/hydrogen engine to keep the vehicle in motion. Combining that with solar panels and wind power generators on the car and the thing should be able to run for at least few hundred miles with a tank of water.
But if you think about it. All the energy on Earth came from the Sun. It seems only natural that we learn how to harness that energy to coexist with our environment: a hunk of rock with lots of water orbitting a giant ball emitting photons. Using nonrenewable living or dead organisms for energy is almost parasitic and certainly not a permanent solution. Lets hurry up and find a permanent one, because I'd really like to get on with my work.
Since we all have magnetic strips on our credit cards couldn't we just use a 1024-bit or larger key and a passcode or username/password type of system. I don't see how a fingerprint scanner could be better than having your physical credit card. At least if someone steals your credit card you'll know right away. Or better yet a system that modifies your credit card every checkout and syncronises a new key to your passcode, similar to the way I think ssh changes its keys while its streaming data (I don't know for sure if it does, but I would expect it to). We already connect to our bank online. We could easily sync up a new number with a home card drive system. Maybe that's what American Express does with their blue chip stuff. I don't know.
Why do you all keep going on about due processes and the constitution, blah, blah, blah. They're only rights. I don't understand why they're so important.
What other manufacturer of video supports linux to this extent?
Um, nVidia. And their hardware and support is dependable, if not proprietary. I like Matrox. I have several G450s and a G400TV. The G400TV was a good card for its time, but the G450TV was a cheap POS. Same thing for the G550 series, for gaming anyway. I don't expect quality products from Matrox any more than I do from ATI. They prefer to make money than make a quality product. That's ok. But I think nVidia is beating the both of them at their own game.
The only way I'd support a company like Matrox is if they worked hand in hand with linux, developing GPLed drivers that offered full support of their hardware. Anything short of that and they have to compete with everyone else in their benchmarks and price. Its too little too late, in my opinion. But if they play their cards right I might pick up one to replace my G450s for $100-$150.
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And I'm sure it had nothing to do with how bad a reputation Netscape 6.x got from AOL marketting's poor choice on release dates. If they had release mozilla 1.0 as Netscape 6.0 everyone would think of Netscape differently today. We would perceive it as something new and useful instead of something old and buggy.
Where would you be if the internet or Linux didn't exist? What if your only options for communication were AOL and MS software and services. You can't block spam or pop-ups or advertisements. You can't record movies off the cable TV you pay for. You are forced to watch advertisements with every bit of media or not watch the media at all. And ALL your communications are monitored by your government and corporations for demographic data mining and policing. That's the world we will be living in if people like me give up this fight for freedom. Is that the world you want to live in? I don't really care. Its a lot of effort learning about all the technology and legislation that they are trying to use against us. The main reason I've been concerned with this is I use Linux and the internet. Been using them for years. They are nothing new, but all this legislation and post 9/11 stuff is new and is a real threat to my way of life. But I don't have to live in America and help American businesses with their systems and network troubles. I'm just having a hard time finding other countries and companies that want to work instead of make money. Communism is looking better all the time, the more I live in a capitalist society.
And where'd they get the money for those computer systems? I hope I didn't pay for any of that. Its bad enough that we spend millions for a system called Eschelon that does nothing to help gather intelligence that was previously reported to those intelligence agencies about the 911 attack. But now we have the next version. Bigger and better, but of course they're spying on the wrong people. You and me, not the terrorists that we're supposed to be affraid of. I just want my government to go away and admit it was a failure, incompetent and incapable of providing the safety I paid it for.
I agree, but for different reasons. I like my linux just the way it is. Mostly open and free. If EVERYONE started using it it would be adopted by commercial interests and the next thing ya know we'd have GNOME virusses spreading through the net.
If the president of the company dies then all their creations fall into public domain. If, however, the software in question was started by someone in the company other than the president, when the pres died that other person would still own the copyright to their code. This way no OS or application could exist for more than 100 years without its copyright expiring, and the real author gets total control of the app, including all the modifications paid for by his employer. Does a corporation deserve the rights to a product created by someone else? Do you? I don't.
I met someone with a CCIE. He was cool. Liked to drink a lot. The "cool" thing about the CCIE certification is it requires you to retake it every couple years. So if you have a CCIE most likely you're uptodate on the current technology and really understand networks. But having a CCIE was worth far more when only 3000 people carried that title. But that's too much detailed network knowledge for me. I probably couldn't even pass that test if I tried. I'm affraid network technology is going to change SO much in the next 5 years it'll make the last 5 feel like a walk in the park.
5 years ago I didn't know what TCP/IP was. Today I wish I could forget.
In that case I'm a consultant because I always say how they should fix those windows boxes, but I can't for the life of me figure out how.
how are you going to fabricate them into architechures onto chips with existing chip fabrication technology?
With nanites. First you create a nanite. Then you make a nanite that self replicates using surrounding molecules. Then you're fucked. The blue goo!
We should be coding our desktop applications in C and Perl.
I would reply to this, but the last comment I read said it all. So I'll reply anyway. :P These things aren't important because they are virtual. But so is IP and law. The next version of the DMCA may make open source OSs illegal because they lack and always will lack digital rights management. Now who really cares about digital rights management? I know my rights. I don't break the law by exercizing my rights to fair use. But I do break the law whenever I play my DVDs on my linux box. :( I don't want to go to jail or be fined or stoned to death for these virtual crimes. They don't really matter, right? Then tell that to the MPAA, RIAA, and our representatives.
But asking a sys admin to do the work is what got you into this problem in the first place. To get a truly simple UI you'll probably have to ask a truly simple person how they would like to work on a computer. Or have your marketting department design something. Its easy for me to customize my desktop the way I like it. But I like having 3 hidden panels, 8 virtual desktops and kill anything that even thinks about popping up on me. I think it would be just as easy if we could teach users how to customize their own desktop. Its really as easy as right clicking, for GNOME. And KDE doesn't even need customizing if you know how to read and use windows. What gets me so frustrated is how everyone talks like these people are retarded. They're not. They can learn, we just rarely expect them to. I bet if you sat a windows word user down at a freshly installed/configured Redhat 7.3 system running GNOME and openoffice and told them they had to learn how to use that system or leave the company they'd be printing out reports for you in less than an hour.
That's an interresting situation. My first thought was they'll right click on the desktop. But then that got me to thinking. I know of 5 different places to look to change the background. I know Windows 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 98se, 2000, XP, NT 3.51, 4.0, Solaris, IRIX, HPUX, AIX, OSF, OSX, and Linux. Its difficult for me to put myself in their place sometimes. But users are not stupid. They're ignorant. Just like me. And they probably don't like change anymore than I do.
If we could make learning linux fun and if they could somehow understand that while using linux they probably won't be able to break their computer or their OS. Maybe these things will help them transition over. The applications will be there next year if they aren't solid stable already. I think it would be far more valuable for a company to leverage its employees to retrain and educate the rest of the employees instead of outsourcing. But then again I always think it would be better to do things in house than outsource. I wouldn't make a very good manager.
I like GNOME just the way it is. Its highly customizable. Just right click on any panel (task bar or whatever you want to call it) and you can get to that panel's properties through a menu. You can change its size, type, configuration, etc. all from that menu. You can add new panels, add new items to the panel, create drawers and launcher icons, etc. Right clicking on an icon can get you to the properties so you can launch custom applications or scripts right from a single click on the panel. Plus you can modify the icons for all your favorite applications so they look like YOU want them to. That's why I prefer GNOME. But KDE also has a lot of very user friendly features and isn't quite as complex as GNOME. Together they make the untimate desktop. :)
Or maybe even have some of your linux users show off Galeon. That alone is enough incentive for me to switch, but I'm a linux admin and I like my data to serve me, not the other way around.
Yes, but what about damages, lost work, and the invasion of private/confidential data? Can't you sue the BSA if they falsely audit you, as well as the courts/state that gave them the warrant? It seems to me if you are a linux company your primary software would be GNU software and that should make it difficult if not impossible for the BSA to get a warrant. They would have no reason to suspect you of infringing on anyone's copyright.
being able to touch something that was written 4,000 years ago is a much different experience.
That's true. Just the other day I picked up a rock, and man that thing was the most amazing experience. Just imagine how long that rock had been sitting there, or where it came from. Its probably much older than 4000 years, but it made me feel good knowing I got to have my time with it.
Not true. Did you learn that from some economics class? Would you expect us to live like cavemen, simply because we no longer had dollar bills? We still have trucks and planes and ships and computer networks. But maybe you're right. Maybe people would forget how to think if you didn't waive that dollar bill in front of their face.
What I'm saying is rather simple. We stop charging for anything. You go to the store and grab what you want. The store still figures out how much you bought and schedules a new shipment based on the demographics we're already gathering. The only difference is you don't have to dig in your wallet to pay for your items. They could most likely just be scanned wireless as you walk out the door.
Everyone needs to eat, but not everyone needs 10 cars. So maybe we could have a collection of vehicle to share and allot every person one personal vehicle of their choice. You still would have to work like you do now but your goals would be different. Instead of the end goal to make money your end goal would be to make a better product or to make your company work more efficiently. See, in my twisted fucked up mind I think this thing could work. But only if EVERYONE got on the same fucking page and started thinking to solve problems and create efficient automated systems to produce our products and share. I think that's it. None of us know how to share.
Houses are not designed for living. Their designed to sell for a profit. That's why we have building codes. Cars are not designed for driving, their designed for profits, just like books and music and movies and software and computers and government. We're in the business of creating jobs. Its like make-work-day. We should be in the business of replacing jobs with automation so people can be home with their families producing better, loving, caring people to think up the next generation of technology, etc, etc, etc. We should... quit. You should. You should quit. You should quit tramatizing women with sexual intercourse.
I completely agree. With automated online billing services through my credit union I don't have to think about making those payments on time, and when I want to cancel I just stop sending payment and maybe give the companies a courtesy call for heads up. I don't care about my credit. I've learned to pay cash for everything. But unfortunately I'm still forced to care about money (y'know, if I care to live in a capitalist society).
That's when I'd cancel my Amex card and say "Fuck Credit"
livelihood is being removed by technology - factory workers into robots, craftsmen replaced by factories.... musical groups replaced by one producer and a machine. Local businesses going under because transportation technology is good enough that importing is cheaper.
Exactly, but these are all good things for society. These help make us more productive. What we need to learn how to do is start providing for those workers and craftsmen and music groups, giving them the tools and technology to continue to do whatever job they like doing, and the home and food to survive and support their families. We're becoming more productive, but all that extra productivity is going into the CEOs and VCs and Producer's pockets. In order to take it back I think the only thing we could do is develope some sort of fake/free money, like a credit card that all these displaced workers get as they get laid off from corps that need to downsize. Then the balance will have to be paid by everyone raising taxes until essentially money is worthless... no stratch that, bad idea. That idead involves anarchy and mass hysteria and propoganda campaigns and concentration camps, its just bad.
Actually I bet life would be a lot simpler without money. But one can only dream of such a life.
I got the solution. Lets get rid of all the money. Then they can't be bought. Or could they. That's almost like the tree falling in the forest thing. If a politician was stuck in a forest and there's no money around to hear him would he make a sound?
I like the thought of converting sunlight into energy using solar panels on roof tops. And maybe combine that with this wave energy and run all our vehicles off electric/hydrogen engines. You could have a small hydrogen generators in everyone's car that just hooks into their home. I think electromagnetic energy is far more powerful than what you get from combusting oxygen and hydrogen, but hydrogen engines might be more efficient. We just got to think up new efficient ways to transport electricity and ourselves.
For vehicles I like the idea of storing mechanical energy, like a flywheel braking system. If we had a few flywheels to store the energy when we stop we could use those flywheels for quick acceleration and the eletric/hydrogen engine to keep the vehicle in motion. Combining that with solar panels and wind power generators on the car and the thing should be able to run for at least few hundred miles with a tank of water.
But if you think about it. All the energy on Earth came from the Sun. It seems only natural that we learn how to harness that energy to coexist with our environment: a hunk of rock with lots of water orbitting a giant ball emitting photons. Using nonrenewable living or dead organisms for energy is almost parasitic and certainly not a permanent solution. Lets hurry up and find a permanent one, because I'd really like to get on with my work.
Since we all have magnetic strips on our credit cards couldn't we just use a 1024-bit or larger key and a passcode or username/password type of system. I don't see how a fingerprint scanner could be better than having your physical credit card. At least if someone steals your credit card you'll know right away. Or better yet a system that modifies your credit card every checkout and syncronises a new key to your passcode, similar to the way I think ssh changes its keys while its streaming data (I don't know for sure if it does, but I would expect it to). We already connect to our bank online. We could easily sync up a new number with a home card drive system. Maybe that's what American Express does with their blue chip stuff. I don't know.
Why do you all keep going on about due processes and the constitution, blah, blah, blah. They're only rights. I don't understand why they're so important.
What other manufacturer of video supports linux to this extent?
Um, nVidia. And their hardware and support is dependable, if not proprietary. I like Matrox. I have several G450s and a G400TV. The G400TV was a good card for its time, but the G450TV was a cheap POS. Same thing for the G550 series, for gaming anyway. I don't expect quality products from Matrox any more than I do from ATI. They prefer to make money than make a quality product. That's ok. But I think nVidia is beating the both of them at their own game.
The only way I'd support a company like Matrox is if they worked hand in hand with linux, developing GPLed drivers that offered full support of their hardware. Anything short of that and they have to compete with everyone else in their benchmarks and price. Its too little too late, in my opinion. But if they play their cards right I might pick up one to replace my G450s for $100-$150.