You have no idea what you are talking about. Calling a mix of HTML, CSS, and JS a "mess" is uniformed FUD. The vast majority of the visible web is based on these three technologies, and at least in their current form, they are designed to work together pretty well. I'm not sure how you could have written any scripts in your life and not come to this conclusion. What exactly did you do with GreaseMonkey if you weren't using it to manipulate HTML and CSS?
Also, jQuery is terribly popular. Not including support for it would have been a huge oversight. Did you just step out of a time machine from 1999?
Not trying to be a grammar nazi, but damn I want to see what Uniformed FUD looks like. I'm thinking hiking boots, bermuda shorts, maybe one of those weird mailman safari hats...
"As with the present online world, the future world of online applications simply has no need or desire for proprietary technologies."
He touts the greatness of Gmail and Google Docs, describes how he can't understand someone using a local email application, and then spurns proprietary technologies?
I run an open source email client that downloads my email into a format I can easily access directly and convert to whatever format I need.
The future he is describing, if it ends up powered by Google Docs-style web services, will be far more locked in to proprietary technologies than even a Windows based desktop is now.
Sky-diving to the drilling platform also emphasized that even in the re-imagined Star Trek universe, you don't want to be the red shirt on the away mission.
You can also turn off tabs and rely on the "Windows" panel. A tree view of all the windows that are open with a quick search box at the top in case you have so many tabs open that its easier to just search for one.
In Opera, when I have more than a few tabs open I already ignore the tab bar. You can hold the right mouse button and roll the scroll wheel to bring up a list of all the open tabs. I don't think its the solution Mozilla is looking for, but when I have 25-30 tabs open it certainly is an easier way for me to browse through them than trying to flip through the tabs.
I agree with a lot of your points. I've talked with recruiters before that laid the service out pretty clearly to me.
The problem with the Experience Center is I think it's a case where there is a real attempt to be disingenuous. The people running it are adamant that it is not a recruiting tool. It's just a community center (this is what they tried to explain to me when I checked it out to see what it was like). They have MLB and Madden tournies, give kids a place to play WoW on decent computers, and have easy to use systems where you can figure out what army career is right for you.
I would never claim its somehow forcing people to join that otherwise wouldn't. The choice to join the Army is simply so great that nobody in their right mind should make it without deep considerations. But I think its a sham to spend millions of dollars to build a center like this and then try to play it off as anything but a very sophisticated recruitment center.
I look forward to him publishing future articles from a home-built, hand-fabricated microcomputer, or perhaps some sort of elaborate open-source mechanical turing machine, when he decides that nonfree microcode is unacceptable.;)
The SDK comes with an emulator called the BREW Simulator. It's not an accurate representation of running on hardware. You need to test on an actual device to really debug it.
I believe you have to get a BREW compatible phone and have Qualcomm unlock it for developer testing to be able to load apps onto it for testing.
I agree with Olson's issues with the study. But I think a lot of folks are overlooking the fact that Gentile wasn't claiming causation.
The report found that poor school performance and a pathological addition to video games were strongly linked, but Dr Gentile warned that the research had not investigated which came first.
"It is certainly possible that pathological gaming causes poor school performance, and so forth, but it is equally likely that children who have trouble at school seek to play games to experience feelings of mastery, or that attention problems cause both poor school performance and an attraction to games," he wrote in the findings, which will be published in the journal Psychological Science.
I was thinking the same. And maybe I'm showing my age, but I know I can use a laptop very productively if it has up to 256MB RAM and 4 gigs of storage. It'll never be a powerhouse, but for $100 bucks I'd be happy with one.
Vista Starter Edition was available in around 140 countries.
There's something like 190 to 230 countries total in the world (depending on who you ask), so the jump to opening to the whole world is a small and quite logical one.
So I would definately agree that this isn't newsworthy.
If a large number of people were found using a Starter Edition, now that would be newsworthy.
At a minimum, you will provide commercially reasonable telephone support.
That's from the current OEM Vista license. So I would say it hasn't quite gone under yet. I'm sure larger OEMs negotiate deals as far as coverage of tech support but it boils down to what Microsoft says:
Support for products installed on computers at time of purchase is provided by the computer manufacturer. Please contact your computer manufacturer for more information about services and pricing.
Most definately not. Even if you have to pay money for difficult problems they are still far from analogous if you consider how many people require some sort of support for even the most basic issues.
Actually MS Office comes with phone or email support for free. You get 90 days of free support starting from your first call or email request.
But that's only if you purchased it outright. AFAIK it doesn't apply to OEM software since part of the reasoning for the decreased cost of OEM software is that the system builder is agreeing to provide tech support for that software.
I'm not commenting on the quality of the tech support for the end users though. I've never called them personally. So that 90 days of free support could be crap.
No, the proxy compresses it into something smaller and easier to process. It converts it to OBML (Opera Binary Markup Language) aka it pre-compiles it as mentioned higher up the chain. So a phone without the memory and CPU power to run a full rendering engine that supports HTML and CSS (and javascript) can probably still run the smaller more streamlined rendering engine of Opera Mini which doesn't have to deal with all the disparate formats out there on the web. It just has to deal with OBML.
On my phones, I can either use something that looks like this or use Opera Mini which looks like this.
And as a regular user of Opera Mini 4 (not to be confused with Opera Mobile), their proxy based system can work impressively well on mobile phones that are clearly underpowered for web browsing (like the cheap pieces of crap I have used it on).
Yeah, they list Windows Vista as the OS on the website listed in the post. There are 2 skus with linux (less expensive, fewer features) and 1 sku with Vista that includes everything.
The prices on the hardware don't match up across all the pages on the site though. So I guess even their own site can't really be trusted for information.
I was wondering that myself. And the video service they mention in the/. post isn't available for the Linux version of EVO according to the specs on their site. The Linux version also doesn't have an SD reader.
Those things are only on the more expensive Windows version of EVO.
Yes. This is a Windows console with a crippled Linux version also for sale for a lower price.
The Linux version is cheaper and lacks the SD reader, Wireless networking hardware and it isn't supported by their NVE Movie Service and Say2Play (wtf that is).
They have a game store up already and it looks like its all Windows games.
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So you reject the premise that there are developers that are working with a goal of increasing market share?
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This is precisely where the disconnect is, and why you can't talk about issues that a set of users have as being a problem that belongs to a developer of a set of software that the user wants to use.
You can talk about those issues belonging to that developer if you are saying it in the context I described. If the software developer's goal is to increase the marketshare of that software, then the issues the users have become that developer's problem.
I've spoken with a few that set goals of making the platform stable, or fast, or capable of doing a specific task they are interested in. All of that is fine and, I believe, necessary.
When I said ^that^ I was referring to the developers working for reasons other than increasing the marketshare of linux. That sort of work is definately necessary and I don't believe any developer should be browbeaten or blamed if the scope of their goals does not include making the products appealing to the average end-user.
I believe the real disconnect is between people that want to develop the software and people that want to grow the marketshare of a piece of software, or linux, or FOSS as a whole.
If the goal is to grow marketshare, dealing with end-user constructive criticism is a necessity because that's a problem the developer seeking to grow marketshare has chosen to address. Right now I see people on both sides of the disconnect getting frustrated and angry about all of this and I think its misguided. There are developers that haven't chosen to address these sorts of end-users criticisms and that's completely up to them. There are users that are looking for someone that has chosen to address these issues. If that person doesn't exist, then those end users need to accept the software is not being developed for the mainstream. If that person does exist, the end user should be providing that person with useful, unemotional, constructive criticism.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Calling a mix of HTML, CSS, and JS a "mess" is uniformed FUD. The vast majority of the visible web is based on these three technologies, and at least in their current form, they are designed to work together pretty well. I'm not sure how you could have written any scripts in your life and not come to this conclusion. What exactly did you do with GreaseMonkey if you weren't using it to manipulate HTML and CSS?
Also, jQuery is terribly popular. Not including support for it would have been a huge oversight. Did you just step out of a time machine from 1999?
Not trying to be a grammar nazi, but damn I want to see what Uniformed FUD looks like. I'm thinking hiking boots, bermuda shorts, maybe one of those weird mailman safari hats...
He touts the greatness of Gmail and Google Docs, describes how he can't understand someone using a local email application, and then spurns proprietary technologies?
I run an open source email client that downloads my email into a format I can easily access directly and convert to whatever format I need.
The future he is describing, if it ends up powered by Google Docs-style web services, will be far more locked in to proprietary technologies than even a Windows based desktop is now.
Sky-diving to the drilling platform also emphasized that even in the re-imagined Star Trek universe, you don't want to be the red shirt on the away mission.
Uwe Boll had pieces of lens flair he made his actors wear.
Klingons don't use WIMP interfaces.
A real warrior carves bits onto his harddrive with the tip of his Bat`leth.
You can also turn off tabs and rely on the "Windows" panel. A tree view of all the windows that are open with a quick search box at the top in case you have so many tabs open that its easier to just search for one.
In Opera, when I have more than a few tabs open I already ignore the tab bar. You can hold the right mouse button and roll the scroll wheel to bring up a list of all the open tabs. I don't think its the solution Mozilla is looking for, but when I have 25-30 tabs open it certainly is an easier way for me to browse through them than trying to flip through the tabs.
Where pipes, like everything else there, are fat.
XP is bloated. Win2k is where it's at.
I agree with a lot of your points. I've talked with recruiters before that laid the service out pretty clearly to me.
The problem with the Experience Center is I think it's a case where there is a real attempt to be disingenuous. The people running it are adamant that it is not a recruiting tool. It's just a community center (this is what they tried to explain to me when I checked it out to see what it was like). They have MLB and Madden tournies, give kids a place to play WoW on decent computers, and have easy to use systems where you can figure out what army career is right for you.
I would never claim its somehow forcing people to join that otherwise wouldn't. The choice to join the Army is simply so great that nobody in their right mind should make it without deep considerations. But I think its a sham to spend millions of dollars to build a center like this and then try to play it off as anything but a very sophisticated recruitment center.
That article will be "Free as in Beard"
The SDK comes with an emulator called the BREW Simulator. It's not an accurate representation of running on hardware. You need to test on an actual device to really debug it.
I believe you have to get a BREW compatible phone and have Qualcomm unlock it for developer testing to be able to load apps onto it for testing.
I was thinking the same. And maybe I'm showing my age, but I know I can use a laptop very productively if it has up to 256MB RAM and 4 gigs of storage. It'll never be a powerhouse, but for $100 bucks I'd be happy with one.
XP Starter Edition was available in 88 countries.
Vista Starter Edition was available in around 140 countries.
There's something like 190 to 230 countries total in the world (depending on who you ask), so the jump to opening to the whole world is a small and quite logical one.
So I would definately agree that this isn't newsworthy.
If a large number of people were found using a Starter Edition, now that would be newsworthy.
That's from the current OEM Vista license. So I would say it hasn't quite gone under yet. I'm sure larger OEMs negotiate deals as far as coverage of tech support but it boils down to what Microsoft says:
Most definately not. Even if you have to pay money for difficult problems they are still far from analogous if you consider how many people require some sort of support for even the most basic issues.
Actually MS Office comes with phone or email support for free. You get 90 days of free support starting from your first call or email request.
But that's only if you purchased it outright. AFAIK it doesn't apply to OEM software since part of the reasoning for the decreased cost of OEM software is that the system builder is agreeing to provide tech support for that software.
I'm not commenting on the quality of the tech support for the end users though. I've never called them personally. So that 90 days of free support could be crap.
No, the proxy compresses it into something smaller and easier to process. It converts it to OBML (Opera Binary Markup Language) aka it pre-compiles it as mentioned higher up the chain. So a phone without the memory and CPU power to run a full rendering engine that supports HTML and CSS (and javascript) can probably still run the smaller more streamlined rendering engine of Opera Mini which doesn't have to deal with all the disparate formats out there on the web. It just has to deal with OBML.
On my phones, I can either use something that looks like this or use Opera Mini which looks like this.
Its a lot more helpful than mere compression.
And as a regular user of Opera Mini 4 (not to be confused with Opera Mobile), their proxy based system can work impressively well on mobile phones that are clearly underpowered for web browsing (like the cheap pieces of crap I have used it on).
Yeah, they list Windows Vista as the OS on the website listed in the post. There are 2 skus with linux (less expensive, fewer features) and 1 sku with Vista that includes everything.
The prices on the hardware don't match up across all the pages on the site though. So I guess even their own site can't really be trusted for information.
I was wondering that myself. And the video service they mention in the /. post isn't available for the Linux version of EVO according to the specs on their site. The Linux version also doesn't have an SD reader.
Those things are only on the more expensive Windows version of EVO.
Yes. This is a Windows console with a crippled Linux version also for sale for a lower price.
The Linux version is cheaper and lacks the SD reader, Wireless networking hardware and it isn't supported by their NVE Movie Service and Say2Play (wtf that is).
They have a game store up already and it looks like its all Windows games.
So you reject the premise that there are developers that are working with a goal of increasing market share?
You can talk about those issues belonging to that developer if you are saying it in the context I described. If the software developer's goal is to increase the marketshare of that software, then the issues the users have become that developer's problem.
When I said ^that^ I was referring to the developers working for reasons other than increasing the marketshare of linux. That sort of work is definately necessary and I don't believe any developer should be browbeaten or blamed if the scope of their goals does not include making the products appealing to the average end-user.
I believe the real disconnect is between people that want to develop the software and people that want to grow the marketshare of a piece of software, or linux, or FOSS as a whole.
If the goal is to grow marketshare, dealing with end-user constructive criticism is a necessity because that's a problem the developer seeking to grow marketshare has chosen to address. Right now I see people on both sides of the disconnect getting frustrated and angry about all of this and I think its misguided. There are developers that haven't chosen to address these sorts of end-users criticisms and that's completely up to them. There are users that are looking for someone that has chosen to address these issues. If that person doesn't exist, then those end users need to accept the software is not being developed for the mainstream. If that person does exist, the end user should be providing that person with useful, unemotional, constructive criticism.