I've been out of the SAN buisness for a year or two now. Back them standards was a big thing, and some of the big names didn't interoperate well with anyone else. Ask the standards question, and don't buy anything until you have an answer you like.
That doesn't mean you have to go with standard gear, but know what you are getting if you don't. Don't buy an old brocade switch for example, because it won't work (without upgrades which may or may not exist) with anything but brocade switches. Likewise EMC isn't standard one all points, but they make some popular gear for a reason. It may or may not be worth the expense. (I'd say no, but I worked for their competitor)
Sure there will be bad traffic once in a while, but not often enough for the 3 time rule to kick in. Most companies will have a lot of folks late on that day and strike it from your record.
Everyone has a day where they oversleep. If it happens often you need a better alarm, and to start getting better sleep. (This is complex, if you go to bed too early you might have more trouble getting up than if you go to bed at a normal time) There are medical sleep centers that can help you if that is a problem.
Everyone's car breaks down. If it breaks too often you either need to do preventative maintance better, or get a better car. Preventative maintance can solve most breakdowns. Old belts break more often, old tires blow out. Even alternators and water pumps normally give warning long before they go, and can be replaced if you are alert to the signs. There will still be the unexpected incidents, but not often enough to be a problem.
If you have to be in on time, you should learn what traffic is like, and plan to be early enough everyday that normal traffic variences can be covered. Bring a book to read (mini tv, or a local shopping center open early) if normally traffic can mean you are half an hour early one day and barely on time the next despite leaving at the same time.
I've had to be on time to jobs before. Currently robots can not do those jobs. In some caess robots will do that job in the future, in others maybe not. Today they are not cheap enough to make it worthwhile. I planed my drive so I was on time. It was worse for me than for most because I didn't always work in the same location, timetimes I had to leave two hours before the day before to arrive at the same time.
That said, flex time is much better. With flex time (which the origional guy doensn't have) you don't have to arrive at any set time. Just get the work done.
Comparing when I expect to get paid to when I get in is invalid. The two are not related. I work the hours I'm paid to work, they pay me for working them. A mistake on my part doesn't give them any reason to not hold up their end of the bargin. They may dock my pay if it is part of the rules, but they still pay me on time.
It isn't just that they shouldn't turn about. Companies that don't pay their employees on time are telling everyone that they are nearly bankrupt - they can't even pay employees. Suppliers often have to wait a few months to get paid, but if they find you can't pay employees they assume you are going to declare bankrupcy and won't ship product until they are paid for it. Not a good situation to be in. There are payroll problems once in a while, but they are rare and even when claimed you should assume it is lack of money until proven otherwise.
Anyone have a lawyer and a small site to try this on. I suspect that you have a case of some sort. "Your honor, we had planned for this type of mistake by having some.other.domain.com as a backup, but verisign illegally stole the expired domain and started bouncing our messages." Or some such. Of course that backup wouldn't work in the case of the domain expiring and someone else registering it instead, but you tried.
You must be a southerner. Up in the north many people drive on lakes. It isn't a big deal, but it isn't exactly safe. People die every year doing it, but most a being stupid. There are rules for how fast you can safely drive on ice. Smart people don't go faster than 5 mph and they rarely go through. Still more dangerious than solid land of course, but not much.
I read the artical. Not much there, don't waste time on it...
That said, this appears to be a one size fits none situation. It assumes that SUVs are only about appearence and image. So it gives you a bunch of things that make the SUV useless off road. (as if most were not already useless off road, but that is a different topic). It assumes you only uses it for people or light cargo.
Unibody has advantages and disadvantages. For a car the compromise is different than for a truck. SUVs sit in the middle, sometimes you need the full frame under for a task, and other times you don't. Guess what, you can already buy small SUVs with unibody construction. They are all image machines with no SUV abilities that I would want, but you can get them.
Note that some things are a good idea. I like the idea of seat belts that lock in a roll-over. Side airbags again are a good idea - IF they don't harm children. I like that idea in cars, trucks, mini-vans, buses, SUVs, and semis.
The buzzer until everyone is buckeled up is a stupid idea. Everyone has it in their car, and everyone hates it. Those who don't buckle up because it just annoys them for 10 seconds, those who do because there are many times where you start the car before buckling up. (My habbit is to let oil pressure stablize for the time it takes to buckle before driving) Note that their design calls for seat belts that buzz until everyone buckles up. That has been tried, and turns out tha everyone includes that package in the passanger seat too big for the seat belt to reach around, so you get the annoying buzzer distracting the driver (dangerious) for the entire trip. Those that never wear their seat belt will just disconnect this, or buckle all the seat belts in the car and never unbuckle them.
Speaking of seatbelt buzzers that don't turn off. There are times when wearing a seat belt is dangerious. Never wear a seat belt while driving on a frozen lake. If the car breaks through the time it takes to get a seat belt off could be the difference between getting out of the car while it is floating, and having to figgure out how to get out and up while it is under water.
It is open source. It doesn't work if you sit there and cry about it not working the way you want. It works great if you decide it doesn't work so you fix it yourself.
I don't care how you fix it. You can write the code yourself, or you can hire someone to write the code for you.
I regaurd it is a bad thing. I don't approve of big government, and bills riding along don't stop anything.
As for ensuring the compromises works: ever heard of the prisoners diliema? A politition can burn you once on a compromise, but after that you won't compromise with them, which makes it much harder for them to get anything done. They will soon learn who keeps promisses.
I'll bet you didn't like the war in Iraq (going on a limb here, you might have). Would you approve of the US/UN going to war and knocking out several other "innocent" goverments? (for some definition of innocent?) Most starvation is caused by goverments not allowing the food, of which there is more than enough, to get to the people who need it. Generally they have a political gain of some sort to doing so. (you might not see it as a gain, but they do)
As for a space elevator. Well I think private eneterprize should do it, which means get NASA out of the way and loosten up the laws preventing private companies from going to space. (Okay, it isn't exactly illegal, but it is nearly impossible to get the permits) At least in the US this is a problem.
Sorry, but not even a terrorist attack will prove that it works or does not. If they attack and fail, how do we know that security measures wouldn't have stoped them before? New security requirements that worked don't count because we might have implimented them anyway. If they attack and the deparment cannot stop them, then it doens't prove anything since every plan made by man fails in some way.
The above doesn't even account for any terrorists who start planning something and realize before they are caught that it would fail so they stop the plan, and are never caught.
Which is all sad because IMHO I consider the department of homeland security a big waste of my tax dollars. Not the biggest waste, but still just waste at best. At worst it tramples all over freedoms that I used to have.
I found that to get around the problem of knowing the text too well that it helps to print it out and read it backwards. This forces you to focus on one word at a time, and brings out details that you would miss. It is important when doing this that you read words, and local meaning only, and not focus on what you are trying to say.
Unfortunatly good writing is too much effort for a simple/. post. It will remain that way until someone pays me to do better.
I am one of the fastest readers I know, and in school always scored in the 99th percentile on reading. However I was always close to the bottom of my class in spelling. (my spelling is even worse than this post implys because I have to re-word many lines because I can't spell the word I really want) I learned to recignise words, which is the best way to read fast. It is a bad way to learn to spell those words - it means I know what the first letter is, and the last, but I don't know what is in-between other than it looks wrong on paper. Memorizing the sequence of letters is the only option I have, which is very difficult. Somehow though, memorizing how words look is not difficult at all.
Someone in education can likely take that and write a paper - I hope you get a good grade on it.
Those stickers you see all over are not Calvin of Calvin and hobbes fames. They are similear, but different enough to not infringe. A little legally trickery mostly, but they are not Calvin and should not be thought of that way.
I get the image of 70 virgins total. That is they re-use them. You get 70 virgins, but you just get to spend a little time with them, not change that fact about them.
Of course I belive in a heaven where genders do not exist at all. (As an engineer this isn't a loss for me)
So you have dual band phones in Europe, and they are relativly common. Seems that you coudn't designate one frequency that would fit all your needs from the start. Then you compounded the problem by making your second frequency one that was already used in the US for something else. Don't blame us for that one, when we can turn around and blame it back on you.
Your looking at it from the wrong end: I pay to recive calls (in theory, in practice I get more minutes included than I use so it is part of my base plan). Whoever calls me doens't have to worry about extra chares because they called my cell phone.
In the US we are used to no extra charge to call our neighbors no matter how often we call, or how long we talk. Budgets are a lot easier to do, this way, and you don't worry about talking too long. This is extended to the cell phone - my neighbors (which includes family and friends) don't worry about calling me because it won't cost extra.
Where did you get the idea that american phones don't work anymore. My Phone is a tri-band GSM only phone that works just fine in the US, despite the "fact" that you appearently made up about no US cellphone working anywhere else in the world.
GSM is a bad standard on most technical counts. The CDMA standard that is popular in the US is better, but it isn't GSM. For most people though, that is irrelavent. You choose a phone by many factor, GSM or CDMA is not, and should not be one for most people. Engineers designing the local cell phone system care about those details. You care about cost (which is intentionally confusing with different roaming areas, long distance rates, per minute rates, and so one which varies slightly from country to country), phone features, and where you can use the phone. (The last is the only place where standard comes into play but only indirectly)
People in Europe tend to have a very disorted view of how the cell phone market in the US works. It is different on many levels. Some ways are better, some are worse. That most of us use CDMA is better, except for that compatability detail. That we pay per minute for incoming calls is different, and has just as many advantages as disadvantages. It is different, but the truth is, cell phones work just fine for people in the US.
Where did he say that he was posting from it. It was implyed that the machine isn't even accessable to him (anymore, unless he is one of the rare people with a submarine).
I'm guessing that the standard is windows specific. Current versions of windows might lack a few things, but MS will have no problem changing those details.
All UNIX/POSIX, VMS, OS/390 (Is that the lattest name for IBM's mainframe os?), and so on systems will find the standard irrelavent to their way designing. In other words both unimplimentable without breaking backwards compatability, and irrelavent to (and in many cases lesser than) the security system allready in place
A cross country 18 wheeler gets 7 mpg or better driving on the freeway. (Local 18 wheelers are geared different and do worse) Some SUVs barely beat that, and the 18 wheeler is hauling at least 3 times as much mass.
Not true anymore. It was true at one time, but modern ethanol plants are energy positive.
The waste from ethanol plants is useful to farmers as well as livestock food, so even if it was directly energy negative, if you considered that the energy would be used anyway to grow food stuffs for farm anaimals and subtracted that they became energy positive.
Look, I need to deal with reality, not dreams. The hybrid is cool, but it isn't cheap, and there are no cheap ones. A modern car will go 250,000 miles, but many are worth almost nothing with 100,000 miles. In reality comparing all cars is apples to apples. You have gas milage, capacity, comfort, safety, cost and a few other factors. Some put more weight than others on some factor, but they all count.
I want a VW TDI, and I've been looking hard, but my budget is $1000. I can afford more, but any more and and paying for gas in my S10 is just as cheap. (I just started a new job, 55 miles from home. I plan on moving in a year or so at which point gas cost will be a non-issue again)
Forwarding mail is a little harder now. Last time I moved I got a notice from the post office that the previous owner had forwarded his mail, and if I was him to call them, otherwise discard the notice.
Of course I discarded it. It is fun to comptemplate calling and canceling that forwarding, then forwarding his mail to someplace else.
Unfortunatly most security is breakable with very little thought, even if you sovle one problem it is often at the expensive of introducing or making easier a new one.
Sure, you tell the post office to hold your mail, and the postman not only holds your mail, he knows which days you are not there making it much easier to find all your hidden treasures.
This is not a made up incident, I know of a former police office that did exactly that. Checked all the houses on the list of those to check while the owners are away, and robbed them. He was caught when one time the owners returned early and he was called to their house just minutes after he left, and couldn't make it (despite just answering from that neightborhood) because the back of his cop car was filled with their treasures. (this was before I was born, the guy lived in the same neighborhood as my mom)
p.s. technically it isn't robbed, but burgeler is too hard to spell.
Read it again. If they were fraudsters they got all his information. Imangine it was, the sequence would be like this:
Them: call a number (yours) from the phone book and leave a message "[your name] this is xxx from Visa, we suspect some fraud, would you call our fraud department at 1-800... [their number]"
You: call number left on machine (not credit card)
Them: What yours name and CC number so we can look it up.
You: [credit card number], [mothers maiden name], [other personal identification.
Them: [type that all into their computer to use latter] hmm... did you charge anything at [store several states away] on [two days ago].
you: No
Them: Ok, that is what we though, we will take care of this, and you won't see anything on your bill. (of course not, there wasn't anything - if they are good they will use that information to cancel your current card and get a new one sent to you)
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I've been out of the SAN buisness for a year or two now. Back them standards was a big thing, and some of the big names didn't interoperate well with anyone else. Ask the standards question, and don't buy anything until you have an answer you like.
That doesn't mean you have to go with standard gear, but know what you are getting if you don't. Don't buy an old brocade switch for example, because it won't work (without upgrades which may or may not exist) with anything but brocade switches. Likewise EMC isn't standard one all points, but they make some popular gear for a reason. It may or may not be worth the expense. (I'd say no, but I worked for their competitor)
Those excuses don't add up.
Sure there will be bad traffic once in a while, but not often enough for the 3 time rule to kick in. Most companies will have a lot of folks late on that day and strike it from your record.
Everyone has a day where they oversleep. If it happens often you need a better alarm, and to start getting better sleep. (This is complex, if you go to bed too early you might have more trouble getting up than if you go to bed at a normal time) There are medical sleep centers that can help you if that is a problem.
Everyone's car breaks down. If it breaks too often you either need to do preventative maintance better, or get a better car. Preventative maintance can solve most breakdowns. Old belts break more often, old tires blow out. Even alternators and water pumps normally give warning long before they go, and can be replaced if you are alert to the signs. There will still be the unexpected incidents, but not often enough to be a problem.
If you have to be in on time, you should learn what traffic is like, and plan to be early enough everyday that normal traffic variences can be covered. Bring a book to read (mini tv, or a local shopping center open early) if normally traffic can mean you are half an hour early one day and barely on time the next despite leaving at the same time.
I've had to be on time to jobs before. Currently robots can not do those jobs. In some caess robots will do that job in the future, in others maybe not. Today they are not cheap enough to make it worthwhile. I planed my drive so I was on time. It was worse for me than for most because I didn't always work in the same location, timetimes I had to leave two hours before the day before to arrive at the same time.
That said, flex time is much better. With flex time (which the origional guy doensn't have) you don't have to arrive at any set time. Just get the work done.
Comparing when I expect to get paid to when I get in is invalid. The two are not related. I work the hours I'm paid to work, they pay me for working them. A mistake on my part doesn't give them any reason to not hold up their end of the bargin. They may dock my pay if it is part of the rules, but they still pay me on time.
It isn't just that they shouldn't turn about. Companies that don't pay their employees on time are telling everyone that they are nearly bankrupt - they can't even pay employees. Suppliers often have to wait a few months to get paid, but if they find you can't pay employees they assume you are going to declare bankrupcy and won't ship product until they are paid for it. Not a good situation to be in. There are payroll problems once in a while, but they are rare and even when claimed you should assume it is lack of money until proven otherwise.
Anyone have a lawyer and a small site to try this on. I suspect that you have a case of some sort. "Your honor, we had planned for this type of mistake by having some.other.domain.com as a backup, but verisign illegally stole the expired domain and started bouncing our messages." Or some such. Of course that backup wouldn't work in the case of the domain expiring and someone else registering it instead, but you tried.
You must be a southerner. Up in the north many people drive on lakes. It isn't a big deal, but it isn't exactly safe. People die every year doing it, but most a being stupid. There are rules for how fast you can safely drive on ice. Smart people don't go faster than 5 mph and they rarely go through. Still more dangerious than solid land of course, but not much.
I read the artical. Not much there, don't waste time on it...
That said, this appears to be a one size fits none situation. It assumes that SUVs are only about appearence and image. So it gives you a bunch of things that make the SUV useless off road. (as if most were not already useless off road, but that is a different topic). It assumes you only uses it for people or light cargo.
Unibody has advantages and disadvantages. For a car the compromise is different than for a truck. SUVs sit in the middle, sometimes you need the full frame under for a task, and other times you don't. Guess what, you can already buy small SUVs with unibody construction. They are all image machines with no SUV abilities that I would want, but you can get them.
Note that some things are a good idea. I like the idea of seat belts that lock in a roll-over. Side airbags again are a good idea - IF they don't harm children. I like that idea in cars, trucks, mini-vans, buses, SUVs, and semis.
The buzzer until everyone is buckeled up is a stupid idea. Everyone has it in their car, and everyone hates it. Those who don't buckle up because it just annoys them for 10 seconds, those who do because there are many times where you start the car before buckling up. (My habbit is to let oil pressure stablize for the time it takes to buckle before driving) Note that their design calls for seat belts that buzz until everyone buckles up. That has been tried, and turns out tha everyone includes that package in the passanger seat too big for the seat belt to reach around, so you get the annoying buzzer distracting the driver (dangerious) for the entire trip. Those that never wear their seat belt will just disconnect this, or buckle all the seat belts in the car and never unbuckle them.
Speaking of seatbelt buzzers that don't turn off. There are times when wearing a seat belt is dangerious. Never wear a seat belt while driving on a frozen lake. If the car breaks through the time it takes to get a seat belt off could be the difference between getting out of the car while it is floating, and having to figgure out how to get out and up while it is under water.
It is open source. It doesn't work if you sit there and cry about it not working the way you want. It works great if you decide it doesn't work so you fix it yourself.
I don't care how you fix it. You can write the code yourself, or you can hire someone to write the code for you.
I regaurd it is a bad thing. I don't approve of big government, and bills riding along don't stop anything.
As for ensuring the compromises works: ever heard of the prisoners diliema? A politition can burn you once on a compromise, but after that you won't compromise with them, which makes it much harder for them to get anything done. They will soon learn who keeps promisses.
I'll bet you didn't like the war in Iraq (going on a limb here, you might have). Would you approve of the US/UN going to war and knocking out several other "innocent" goverments? (for some definition of innocent?) Most starvation is caused by goverments not allowing the food, of which there is more than enough, to get to the people who need it. Generally they have a political gain of some sort to doing so. (you might not see it as a gain, but they do)
As for a space elevator. Well I think private eneterprize should do it, which means get NASA out of the way and loosten up the laws preventing private companies from going to space. (Okay, it isn't exactly illegal, but it is nearly impossible to get the permits) At least in the US this is a problem.
Sorry, but not even a terrorist attack will prove that it works or does not. If they attack and fail, how do we know that security measures wouldn't have stoped them before? New security requirements that worked don't count because we might have implimented them anyway. If they attack and the deparment cannot stop them, then it doens't prove anything since every plan made by man fails in some way.
The above doesn't even account for any terrorists who start planning something and realize before they are caught that it would fail so they stop the plan, and are never caught.
Which is all sad because IMHO I consider the department of homeland security a big waste of my tax dollars. Not the biggest waste, but still just waste at best. At worst it tramples all over freedoms that I used to have.
I found that to get around the problem of knowing the text too well that it helps to print it out and read it backwards. This forces you to focus on one word at a time, and brings out details that you would miss. It is important when doing this that you read words, and local meaning only, and not focus on what you are trying to say.
Unfortunatly good writing is too much effort for a simple /. post. It will remain that way until someone pays me to do better.
I am one of the fastest readers I know, and in school always scored in the 99th percentile on reading. However I was always close to the bottom of my class in spelling. (my spelling is even worse than this post implys because I have to re-word many lines because I can't spell the word I really want) I learned to recignise words, which is the best way to read fast. It is a bad way to learn to spell those words - it means I know what the first letter is, and the last, but I don't know what is in-between other than it looks wrong on paper. Memorizing the sequence of letters is the only option I have, which is very difficult. Somehow though, memorizing how words look is not difficult at all.
Someone in education can likely take that and write a paper - I hope you get a good grade on it.
Those stickers you see all over are not Calvin of Calvin and hobbes fames. They are similear, but different enough to not infringe. A little legally trickery mostly, but they are not Calvin and should not be thought of that way.
I get the image of 70 virgins total. That is they re-use them. You get 70 virgins, but you just get to spend a little time with them, not change that fact about them.
Of course I belive in a heaven where genders do not exist at all. (As an engineer this isn't a loss for me)
So you have dual band phones in Europe, and they are relativly common. Seems that you coudn't designate one frequency that would fit all your needs from the start. Then you compounded the problem by making your second frequency one that was already used in the US for something else. Don't blame us for that one, when we can turn around and blame it back on you.
Your looking at it from the wrong end: I pay to recive calls (in theory, in practice I get more minutes included than I use so it is part of my base plan). Whoever calls me doens't have to worry about extra chares because they called my cell phone.
In the US we are used to no extra charge to call our neighbors no matter how often we call, or how long we talk. Budgets are a lot easier to do, this way, and you don't worry about talking too long. This is extended to the cell phone - my neighbors (which includes family and friends) don't worry about calling me because it won't cost extra.
Where did you get the idea that american phones don't work anymore. My Phone is a tri-band GSM only phone that works just fine in the US, despite the "fact" that you appearently made up about no US cellphone working anywhere else in the world.
GSM is a bad standard on most technical counts. The CDMA standard that is popular in the US is better, but it isn't GSM. For most people though, that is irrelavent. You choose a phone by many factor, GSM or CDMA is not, and should not be one for most people. Engineers designing the local cell phone system care about those details. You care about cost (which is intentionally confusing with different roaming areas, long distance rates, per minute rates, and so one which varies slightly from country to country), phone features, and where you can use the phone. (The last is the only place where standard comes into play but only indirectly)
People in Europe tend to have a very disorted view of how the cell phone market in the US works. It is different on many levels. Some ways are better, some are worse. That most of us use CDMA is better, except for that compatability detail. That we pay per minute for incoming calls is different, and has just as many advantages as disadvantages. It is different, but the truth is, cell phones work just fine for people in the US.
Where did he say that he was posting from it. It was implyed that the machine isn't even accessable to him (anymore, unless he is one of the rare people with a submarine).
I'm guessing that the standard is windows specific. Current versions of windows might lack a few things, but MS will have no problem changing those details.
All UNIX/POSIX, VMS, OS/390 (Is that the lattest name for IBM's mainframe os?), and so on systems will find the standard irrelavent to their way designing. In other words both unimplimentable without breaking backwards compatability, and irrelavent to (and in many cases lesser than) the security system allready in place
A cross country 18 wheeler gets 7 mpg or better driving on the freeway. (Local 18 wheelers are geared different and do worse) Some SUVs barely beat that, and the 18 wheeler is hauling at least 3 times as much mass.
Not true anymore. It was true at one time, but modern ethanol plants are energy positive.
The waste from ethanol plants is useful to farmers as well as livestock food, so even if it was directly energy negative, if you considered that the energy would be used anyway to grow food stuffs for farm anaimals and subtracted that they became energy positive.
Look, I need to deal with reality, not dreams. The hybrid is cool, but it isn't cheap, and there are no cheap ones. A modern car will go 250,000 miles, but many are worth almost nothing with 100,000 miles. In reality comparing all cars is apples to apples. You have gas milage, capacity, comfort, safety, cost and a few other factors. Some put more weight than others on some factor, but they all count.
I want a VW TDI, and I've been looking hard, but my budget is $1000. I can afford more, but any more and and paying for gas in my S10 is just as cheap. (I just started a new job, 55 miles from home. I plan on moving in a year or so at which point gas cost will be a non-issue again)
Forwarding mail is a little harder now. Last time I moved I got a notice from the post office that the previous owner had forwarded his mail, and if I was him to call them, otherwise discard the notice.
Of course I discarded it. It is fun to comptemplate calling and canceling that forwarding, then forwarding his mail to someplace else.
Unfortunatly most security is breakable with very little thought, even if you sovle one problem it is often at the expensive of introducing or making easier a new one.
Sure, you tell the post office to hold your mail, and the postman not only holds your mail, he knows which days you are not there making it much easier to find all your hidden treasures.
This is not a made up incident, I know of a former police office that did exactly that. Checked all the houses on the list of those to check while the owners are away, and robbed them. He was caught when one time the owners returned early and he was called to their house just minutes after he left, and couldn't make it (despite just answering from that neightborhood) because the back of his cop car was filled with their treasures. (this was before I was born, the guy lived in the same neighborhood as my mom)
p.s. technically it isn't robbed, but burgeler is too hard to spell.
Read it again. If they were fraudsters they got all his information. Imangine it was, the sequence would be like this:
Them: call a number (yours) from the phone book and leave a message "[your name] this is xxx from Visa, we suspect some fraud, would you call our fraud department at 1-800... [their number]"
You: call number left on machine (not credit card)
Them: What yours name and CC number so we can look it up.
You: [credit card number], [mothers maiden name], [other personal identification.
Them: [type that all into their computer to use latter] hmm... did you charge anything at [store several states away] on [two days ago].
you: No
Them: Ok, that is what we though, we will take care of this, and you won't see anything on your bill. (of course not, there wasn't anything - if they are good they will use that information to cancel your current card and get a new one sent to you)