TLDR: Open Source is open. We should be making games as demos only to show off the engine and it's tools. There needs to be more content tools like map/game editors so others can make the game their own.
The main thing I see with FOSS games is that they're mainly followers of trends and a bit too much of MeTooism. Which is understandable since most of the reason why we have FOSS is because someone else closed their source and we're writing it to get around that. What we really need for the FOSS movement for games however is some way to better edit the games themselves.
I know I know, they have the source, what more could you ask for?
Well, this seems to be both the strength and weakness of the community. We had the ambition to write an entire engine but no ambition to actually make it useful. The "Here's the source, go do it yourself" argument. That's great. Most people are not coders, they don't have the percieved time to go learn the language just to understand the code in the first place. To be even more honest, commercial games usually provide an easier means to edit content. Which, to me, is quite sad. Since we promote editing and creativity but provide no tools for people to use to achieve these means.
The best way for FOSS to move forward would be to start providing tools for regular people ( come on we can't say/.'s are regular people;) ) to edit engine content but without touching the engine itself. We need level editors, some simpler abstraction for scripting, model importing that doesn't require people to write a line of code.
FOSS also needs to admit that Art is not it's strong point. While the engine might have realtime dynamic lighting, or textures that can self illuminate, it isn't a replacement for pure genuine creativity. Glass chess sets, and abstract triangle people isn't being creative. You can see it as the reason why we strive to copy things like tanks from reality. Sherman tanks are not creative, no matter how close you got it to the real thing. But, I digress.
What would get the movement a lot of traction would be to start providing a means for people who aren't coders to actually take it up and give us more of a reputation if not make FOSS more popular and more in the eyes of people who can market it better than us.
Seriously, it's FOSS, by definition we don't just make the things we want, we make them so other people can to. There needs to be a higher abstraction so people can use the engine and build their own game. This is the strong point.
I disagree for the most part, Google services are obscure but the people who want them can and probably will find them, especially if theyre useful. It works out in googles favour for the most part because they can see the real amount of popularity for the products and discontinue as theyre doing now before they waste too much time on it. If it was visible to more people who didnt actually want it you might lure in the few who didnt really know until they tried it but youd also have the people who will just download it once to check it out and leave it alone after that therefore messing with the real stats on usage.
And it isn't like they don't have a page where it displays all the services...
It's because everything in your basement is at equilibrium in a pressurized container already, so theres not much force in terms of it pushing everything into or out of your basement.
The problem with the moon is that you have a bubble where everything inside it wants to explode (not literally) outwards to occupy more space and it makes for quite the engineering challenge. You then have to have some way of containing that from the outside in order to make it structurally sound and to protect it from the radiation outside. It might be best to send some sort of digger out there to make a tunnel of some sort where you can then inflate the habitat inside of it.
Self healing foam would be a short term solution if there is nothing stopping the thing from expanding more.
A bit on that note is that the kids who are going to MIT might usually be very intelligent and might have high grades but what may happen is that they start to burn out around this time or go through some sort of identity crisis where they want to party and relax. So this might be a big factor as well.
I mean how many of you want to learn things all the time no matter how cool they can be? I know I've gotten sick of even the things that I was interested in if it was a common routine.
I know and it's fucking embarrassing.
I stayed on slashdot for the collective experience (more critical to my life than most of the book learning i've ever had) and the neat stories about future tech (which always seem to be off about 5-10 years;D) but now it's got a section for crap that's been part of online culture for years just being reposted. I've even seen entire threads being censored with -1 mods so they don't show to everyone else reading. I miss my slashdot.:/
Sorry to hijack your thread, but I'd like to say that this is what I'd like to see more of on/.
We have too many stories indicating that things are one way only to be found otherwise and not corrected on at all.
There were a lot of people in other stories lately who've been saying how wrong mass media is in how they 'report' on stories that are just there to make money.
IT also shows that the open source community needs to stop attacking the ignorant people... I mean they might be stupid and annoying sometimes but we aren't going to get anywhere unless we educate them./rant
Terrorists that are going to do something big (like hijack a plane? sept11 blow up a building? apr19 burn down the whitehouse? 1814) can't really be stopped via security increase or lack thereof, if they are determined to blowing something up or killing someone, it will happen. I really don't think that stressing out the entire population or giving them a false sense of hope for catching some random joe criminal will do anything productive. It seems like this kind of information ( DNA log ) would just be useful for incriminating good people the most in the end =/
Have fun supposedly trying to hijack that plane JasterBobaMereel! After all, they did have your DNA on file!
It might not be the entire source of the code, but you also have to remember that a lot of the filesize for the game is the model files and the images/textures for the interface and the models.
I'm starting to think that this looks a whole lot like the 'we know there is source code from windows in your apps' thing. It might look good for MS to the EU, but it also looks extremely well for MS if they put in some legal clauses into the documents and twist their tongue around making it look friendly.
Could open up a whole new can of worms where they start taking out open source projects based on the fact that those people have SEEN the code.
However, a 2008 study failed to reproduce the effect in pigs, concluding that the effects seen in mice were not present in larger mammals. [9] [pccmjournal.com]
Bet you that china is also clearing out people from the cities that the games are being hosted in as well. Forcing them to move away so that the only people that reporters will have access to are high paid officials, loyals, or paid pretenders.
Mod this +1 conspiracy or sadtruth hum.
It's already started with Anonymous. Due to the increasing popularity from the church of scientology protests, it's only a matter of time before people start seeing that they can actually do things as a group without knowing who else is in the group.
Afterwards though, everyone will probably get fed up with anonymity and want to have the "latest cool things" like usernames or personal identification.
More on topic though, will this app server gather personal information from the webpages you visit? Maybe even by using things like your facebook id or matching data from your profiles to form inputs, etc? If so, this is a very Bad Thing(tm). The problem is that facebook is so damn popular that this might actually catch on.:(
Not to nitpick but societies values have always been "me, me, me!"
Theres nothing new about this whole digital age except that the battle has moved to a new medium. It's like patenting shit and adding 'on the internet'. I'm relatively young ( at the moment anyways ) but i can still remember people bitching about things like pirate radio stations or VCR copying where they were terrorists or w/e the bloody news vomit was at the time.
It's just sad that we go through this whole dark age as a new medium/technology becomes popular; It's as if civilization starts over. In the end we all end up 'winning' and having rights to do what we want for that time with that technology and then something new comes out that starts the bullshit all over again.
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TLDR: Open Source is open. We should be making games as demos only to show off the engine and it's tools. There needs to be more content tools like map/game editors so others can make the game their own.
/.'s are regular people ;) ) to edit engine content but without touching the engine itself. We need level editors, some simpler abstraction for scripting, model importing that doesn't require people to write a line of code.
The main thing I see with FOSS games is that they're mainly followers of trends and a bit too much of MeTooism. Which is understandable since most of the reason why we have FOSS is because someone else closed their source and we're writing it to get around that. What we really need for the FOSS movement for games however is some way to better edit the games themselves.
I know I know, they have the source, what more could you ask for?
Well, this seems to be both the strength and weakness of the community. We had the ambition to write an entire engine but no ambition to actually make it useful. The "Here's the source, go do it yourself" argument. That's great. Most people are not coders, they don't have the percieved time to go learn the language just to understand the code in the first place. To be even more honest, commercial games usually provide an easier means to edit content. Which, to me, is quite sad. Since we promote editing and creativity but provide no tools for people to use to achieve these means.
The best way for FOSS to move forward would be to start providing tools for regular people ( come on we can't say
FOSS also needs to admit that Art is not it's strong point. While the engine might have realtime dynamic lighting, or textures that can self illuminate, it isn't a replacement for pure genuine creativity. Glass chess sets, and abstract triangle people isn't being creative. You can see it as the reason why we strive to copy things like tanks from reality. Sherman tanks are not creative, no matter how close you got it to the real thing. But, I digress.
What would get the movement a lot of traction would be to start providing a means for people who aren't coders to actually take it up and give us more of a reputation if not make FOSS more popular and more in the eyes of people who can market it better than us.
Seriously, it's FOSS, by definition we don't just make the things we want, we make them so other people can to. There needs to be a higher abstraction so people can use the engine and build their own game. This is the strong point.
This is exactly what he is talking about.
I want my ponies back too :(
I disagree for the most part, Google services are obscure but the people who want them can and probably will find them, especially if theyre useful. It works out in googles favour for the most part because they can see the real amount of popularity for the products and discontinue as theyre doing now before they waste too much time on it. If it was visible to more people who didnt actually want it you might lure in the few who didnt really know until they tried it but youd also have the people who will just download it once to check it out and leave it alone after that therefore messing with the real stats on usage.
And it isn't like they don't have a page where it displays all the services...
my 2 cents anyways.
It's because everything in your basement is at equilibrium in a pressurized container already, so theres not much force in terms of it pushing everything into or out of your basement.
The problem with the moon is that you have a bubble where everything inside it wants to explode (not literally) outwards to occupy more space and it makes for quite the engineering challenge. You then have to have some way of containing that from the outside in order to make it structurally sound and to protect it from the radiation outside. It might be best to send some sort of digger out there to make a tunnel of some sort where you can then inflate the habitat inside of it.
Self healing foam would be a short term solution if there is nothing stopping the thing from expanding more.
A bit on that note is that the kids who are going to MIT might usually be very intelligent and might have high grades but what may happen is that they start to burn out around this time or go through some sort of identity crisis where they want to party and relax. So this might be a big factor as well. I mean how many of you want to learn things all the time no matter how cool they can be? I know I've gotten sick of even the things that I was interested in if it was a common routine.
Natural selection is only good when it doesn't have the ability to take out people not associated with the idiots who are going to die.
Welcome to the beginnings of the transparent society.
Careful, it's still a little bumpy as the roads haven't been paved yet. :/
Theres a /. story about it here
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/27/2246235
I know and it's fucking embarrassing. I stayed on slashdot for the collective experience (more critical to my life than most of the book learning i've ever had) and the neat stories about future tech (which always seem to be off about 5-10 years ;D) but now it's got a section for crap that's been part of online culture for years just being reposted. I've even seen entire threads being censored with -1 mods so they don't show to everyone else reading. I miss my slashdot. :/
Sorry to hijack your thread, but I'd like to say that this is what I'd like to see more of on /.
We have too many stories indicating that things are one way only to be found otherwise and not corrected on at all.
There were a lot of people in other stories lately who've been saying how wrong mass media is in how they 'report' on stories that are just there to make money.
IT also shows that the open source community needs to stop attacking the ignorant people... I mean they might be stupid and annoying sometimes but we aren't going to get anywhere unless we educate them. /rant
This should have been a funny... I can't believe this happened on slashdot.. :(
Or for those who want privacy in the engaged mode ;)
This is the cancer!!!
Terrorists that are going to do something big (like hijack a plane? sept11 blow up a building? apr19 burn down the whitehouse? 1814) can't really be stopped via security increase or lack thereof, if they are determined to blowing something up or killing someone, it will happen. I really don't think that stressing out the entire population or giving them a false sense of hope for catching some random joe criminal will do anything productive. It seems like this kind of information ( DNA log ) would just be useful for incriminating good people the most in the end =/
Have fun supposedly trying to hijack that plane JasterBobaMereel! After all, they did have your DNA on file!
It might not be the entire source of the code, but you also have to remember that a lot of the filesize for the game is the model files and the images/textures for the interface and the models.
I'm starting to think that this looks a whole lot like the 'we know there is source code from windows in your apps' thing. It might look good for MS to the EU, but it also looks extremely well for MS if they put in some legal clauses into the documents and twist their tongue around making it look friendly.
Could open up a whole new can of worms where they start taking out open source projects based on the fact that those people have SEEN the code.
However, a 2008 study failed to reproduce the effect in pigs, concluding that the effects seen in mice were not present in larger mammals. [9] [pccmjournal.com]
:D
Maybe pigs are just used to smelling bad?
Bet you that china is also clearing out people from the cities that the games are being hosted in as well. Forcing them to move away so that the only people that reporters will have access to are high paid officials, loyals, or paid pretenders. Mod this +1 conspiracy or sadtruth hum.
It's already started with Anonymous. Due to the increasing popularity from the church of scientology protests, it's only a matter of time before people start seeing that they can actually do things as a group without knowing who else is in the group.
:(
Afterwards though, everyone will probably get fed up with anonymity and want to have the "latest cool things" like usernames or personal identification.
More on topic though, will this app server gather personal information from the webpages you visit? Maybe even by using things like your facebook id or matching data from your profiles to form inputs, etc? If so, this is a very Bad Thing(tm). The problem is that facebook is so damn popular that this might actually catch on.
Also, is anything I said above even legal?
MANBEARPIG! IM SERIAL GUYZ!
Not to nitpick but societies values have always been "me, me, me!"
Theres nothing new about this whole digital age except that the battle has moved to a new medium. It's like patenting shit and adding 'on the internet'. I'm relatively young ( at the moment anyways ) but i can still remember people bitching about things like pirate radio stations or VCR copying where they were terrorists or w/e the bloody news vomit was at the time.
It's just sad that we go through this whole dark age as a new medium/technology becomes popular; It's as if civilization starts over. In the end we all end up 'winning' and having rights to do what we want for that time with that technology and then something new comes out that starts the bullshit all over again.
-Aura
Security Theater is like Puppet Theatre... except they put their hands up your a-$%^#$@NO CARRIER&$%&
Clowns are funny. The way a nation displays itself to the world is not. Then again, the rest of the world is doing the same thing...
:(
when in Rome..
Great, you've boosted his ego, now he's in the Mr. Entitlement category!
:)
I kid. I kid.