Why even mention it on slashdot? To make a bunch of 14 year olds happy? Those 14 year olds are very big deal for entire media/entertainment industry. It is their majority of customer base, especially box office stuff. You wouldn't want them to boycott your products or hate them. You wouldn't threaten them either unless you are insane.
Are those lawyers still working? It won't last too long.
I thought it supported Jabber? Then again, I haven't used Trillian since version 0.60something...
The Pro version does support Jabber, which costs $25. And AOL threatens GAIM for name while there is a company selling/getting ads on closed source instant messenger connecting to their network.
Connecting for chat to GTalk is no big deal right now.
What I was interested in, was connecting to GTalk for VoIP. That isn't supported right now.
It is open source project. Adding GTalk (voice) to it just needs 10-15 Google engineers adding themselves to developer list, submit changes to code or start a google voice tree.
A small company (compared to google) who is doing commercial Jabber servers has came up with their all open source, open standards and XMPP based video conference protocol addition to Jabber. There it is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tipicforge/
I mean, it seems like Google really doesn't want everyone conference each other via standard software.
What can they do? Start another reverse engineering process? You see what happens, you even have to change name.
Wonder how much additional it'll cost to convert Yahoo's BSD servers to Windows. Remember how long (and how many failed attempts) there were to convert HotMail from Solaris? Yahoo is recently said (opendns.com press release) to have 250 million active mailboxes, I wonder if there is a single MS Solution that can handle it.
Call me mad but I don't believe hotmail is entirely MS technology based. Yes, still.
Yahoo is planet's largest mail provider, check http://www.senderbase.org/ operated by Cisco/Ironport. Ignore the botnet heavens there of course:)
You assume that people will stick with Yahoo! after M$ takes it over. I remember back in the day, when Hotmail got purchased by Microsoft, I logged in to my account and asked them how to cancel account as they are taken over by MS. They replied the account is deleted if I don't login for 3 months or so.
Now right when I heard this story, I tried to remember which option was "cancel yahoo account" and how many critical e-mail (e.g. software update) I am subscribed via my @yahoo.com address
Some of us use Yahoo because it tries to be platform independent, rather reliable and especially not operated by Microsoft.
I am a Yahoo user since the accounts introduced and it is first time I considered getting rid of it.
Well, because I believe that Siverlight will become an important component in future applications. The majority of people will probably be happy to spice up their web applications with a little silverlight as it will run on Windows and MacOS.
Like ActiveX, you mean?
ActiveX might have been successful if fools like you had been around to implement it on Linux.
IE for MacOS once had ActiveX along with options when ActiveX first shipped claiming multiplatform. When MS asked for multiplatform, they showed Mac IE as example. While it was there, it wasn't usable for real life needs.
Currently both ActiveX and the browser itself is GONE. Same story on windows media format.
Thanks for reminding ActiveX. I figure who is naive and fool but I am afraid it is not the same person Miguel and his fans attack.
People like you bowing to sold out once successful developers and attacking for that reason makes me disgusted.
This particular thread made me lose all my remaining respect to that guy. If I want to run/code.NET, I buy Windows. The junk claiming to be Linux port of it is a joke on real.NET community. It just exists because MSFT can claim their java wannabe is multiplatform too.
Ah yes. The "get on meds" retort. That's usually where people go when they lose the argument. You've obviously spent too much time on usenet. By all means though, I'm an easy target, just a nameless person on slashdot. It doesn't change what you're doing.
Any respect I had for you as a software developer is gone. Good luck though, sounds like you will need it. ^^^signed
There are some people who still believes in pure open source philosophy, if you disagree with them, ignore them, just stop mocking people for God's sake. There are still people who respects your work on true opensource products and stays put without clicking "reply" button but if you mock a clearly hurt end user/naive developer, it may change.
I miss the Novell of my childhood who made every Microsoft competing product look funny.
Where is a single popular OS X Application that uses Mono Framework which you perfectly packaged in a disk image along with OS X Installer arch? Dare to give download statistics of Mono OS X? Lets say Linux community stays away from.NET/Mono because they are amazingly paranoid, pure open source communists. What about OS X development scene? Everyone, even end users runs away from getting locked to MSFT technologies whatever you try to do.
These kinds of announcements will start to make people lose trust to Gnome platform because of the founder.
If he will work 100% on doing MSFT'es job, he should declare he has nothing to do with Gnome anymore.
I didn't see Adobe (ab)using another company to ship Flash 9 for Linux/Solaris. They claim it is multiplatform, platform independent and actually code/release versions down to Symbian S60.
Novell should get paid for converting that technology to Linux. Even people finding name for project should be paid. It is a commercial product from a commercial, giant company. Unless I read a statement from OSI, it is my view as an end user just happen to watch scene.
"IronPython provides a direct bridge to communicate with.NET, so it is a more natural choice for.NET developers to use IronPython."
So the usual trick to drive people to MS only language variations in action. Why wouldn't a multi platform intended runtime communicate directly with standard languages as Python?
It is surprising that Python guys didn't sue Microsoft for abusing an established open source (real one!) technologies name for their own single platform junk.
Isn't SUSE "enterprise oriented" distro these days? What is the point of having a end user oriented flash wannabe on enterprise Linux? Will admins play video.live.com videos at workplace? Lets say if they really want to play, videos.live.com will demand IE at first place:)
I really hope Novell has some impossible to predict, evil long term plan for greater Linux or they are really really wasting their time/plain naive.
May we learn your connection with Novell/MSFT/Mono or you are doing this for free without reason?
FUD? Yes, after Mono nightmare, MS claims another open source framework/platform and Miguel/Novell falls to it as usual. Add me to those FUD people too.
I don't stop from laughing when I see "MS" and "Multi Platform" in same paragraph.
Probably the only good thing to come out of the whole MS/Novell mess. I hope someone rather give a single , real life, real business Application that requires Mono Framework which is very nicely packaged and available to download at Mono project servers.
Watching OS X software scene very closely for years, I haven't seen a single product. None. I especially remark OS X since it is more "end user", more "commercial friendly" OS. I haven't seen a single product which uses.NET framework to ship on OS X.
BTW as usual, while MS "plans", other companies who really doesn't care what OS you use produces. See Adobe Apollo "alpha", even at Alpha stage, it happily loads a full feature media player to my OS X Desktop
I got "Vuze" (Azureus 3) running at background written entirely in Java, ships for every platform.
So, besides Novell being (or playing) naive again,what is the deal.
"If Apple owned AMD, the Apple would be stuck with slower hotter AMD chips!"
And how would this be any different from the G5? As owner of Quad G5, I suggest if AMD does "1 Mhz" slower CPUs, Apple shouldn't switch.
That God damn lame Mhz thing started again and I am really tired of it. OK- Apple got whatever highest Mhz on planet and it is fast, lets move on.
That "hotter" CPU (PPC970MP) you talk about is running in 40 Celsius , 102 F now. Average of all 4 of them. I would normally start a troll fight but can't since the Boss himself trolled the planet with fake news and RDF.
Yes, PPC is very hot and my brothers G4 1.42 Ghz doesn't run 30 celsius, my Mini connected to HDTV playing 2 pass H264 movies melts over subwoofer it is put.
I had mod points before I reply to this article but I choose to reply instead of modding you down as "troll" since there is already a monster troll who happens to be Boss of Apple Inc.
Also as I said, Apple shouldn't switch to AMD because Mhz seems lower. AMD could be used all over Pixar because of excellent floating point performance but lets not forget Joe Sixpacks who still gives shit to Mhz.
If they coded Rosetta properly it shouldn't really take much of a transition to go to AMD except the change in hardware. However, if they had PowerPC, intel, and AMD Apples on the market it would make it more like a PC. Something Apple doesn't want and something that other Apple users don't want. There was a lot of fuss over switching to Intel. I can just imagine it would be even worse if they switched again so soon. What else Rosetta can do? You emulate a current, perhaps more modern, totally unique RISC CPU via CISC. That CPU also happens to have a custom instruction set which can only be compared to SSE3 (velocity engine or altivec).
I mean I don't know what Steve Jobs said but besides the bus speed/ram speed (g4) and portability problems (PPC970 never meant for portable), G4/G5 have some very impressive specs.
Its not like we are emulating a outdated 68030 CISC chip on a newly shipped, modern RISC monster from same company. That is why nobody had any performance problems on 68k-->PPC. You can't possibly get that level of performance. Apple abandoned PowerPC not because of being outdated, they abandoned because IBM didn't give a heck to Apple's needs, Motorola didn't care and the future lies on portable.
Switching instruction sets is one thing. Switching x86 processor manufacturers would be easier.
Of course, an AMD processor in a MAC laptop would probably cause the laptop to catch on fire. As owner of G4/G5 based systems here, we hear Intel Mac heat levels and seriously laugh at them.
When Intel switch realised, there were dozens of panic posts at Apple support boards which says something wrong with their system since it runs at 95 degrees celsius. Apple and other Intel users had hard time to explain that is the "normal" temperature of that CPU arch. You know why? If you see a G4/G5 hit 75 degrees, you better bring to service.
So what you suggest is:
a) There is no such heat problem on Intel based macs and Apple didn't make funny looking statements claiming a laptop doesn't mean to be used on lap?
b) There is heat problem on all x86 based laptops but it is more on AMD? (fail to understand how worse it could be)
c) You are just making a joke.
I got a bit touchy about heat issue since people on web got effected by RDF of Mr. Jobs started to think my Quad G5 here is also used heating the house while it currently runs (checking) 40 C (103 F)
let me guess your a digg reading, mac loving blogger. I don't think there have been anything rather than Digg Apple section to make such harm to public image of Apple users.
I noticed the current front page of Slashdot still appears on Firehose, I think that is the way of getting dynamic feedback.
If people can actually make stories disappear, you wouldn't see any stories critique anything mainstream. Lets say you post something involved with recent Apple security update's (2007-004) problems with installed software and actually the way to fix it, you would see it magically "disappear" in matter of hours because some "fans"(!) would "Slashdot down" it. The fact that it got re-posted (1.1) with bugfix/workaround won't change it.
Slashdot Mirror
Napster user threatening, bad name calling scandal effectively killed a band named Metallica which sold 57 million albums to that date.
You would think those suits learn or at least the PR army they use to spam (viral market!) HDDVD on sites like Digg would warn them.
Are those lawyers still working? It won't last too long.
The Pro version does support Jabber, which costs $25. And AOL threatens GAIM for name while there is a company selling/getting ads on closed source instant messenger connecting to their network.
Connecting for chat to GTalk is no big deal right now.
What I was interested in, was connecting to GTalk for VoIP. That isn't supported right now.
It is open source project. Adding GTalk (voice) to it just needs 10-15 Google engineers adding themselves to developer list, submit changes to code or start a google voice tree.A small company (compared to google) who is doing commercial Jabber servers has came up with their all open source, open standards and XMPP based video conference protocol addition to Jabber.
There it is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tipicforge/
I mean, it seems like Google really doesn't want everyone conference each other via standard software.
What can they do? Start another reverse engineering process? You see what happens, you even have to change name.
Call me mad but I don't believe hotmail is entirely MS technology based. Yes, still.
Yahoo is planet's largest mail provider, check http://www.senderbase.org/ operated by Cisco/Ironport. Ignore the botnet heavens there of course
Now right when I heard this story, I tried to remember which option was "cancel yahoo account" and how many critical e-mail (e.g. software update) I am subscribed via my @yahoo.com address
Some of us use Yahoo because it tries to be platform independent, rather reliable and especially not operated by Microsoft.
I am a Yahoo user since the accounts introduced and it is first time I considered getting rid of it.
I'd check the MS Developer pages for it but the universal standard's manufacturer sends crap to my non IE browser running on OS X.
Like ActiveX, you mean?
ActiveX might have been successful if fools like you had been around to implement it on Linux.
IE for MacOS once had ActiveX along with options when ActiveX first shipped claiming multiplatform. When MS asked for multiplatform, they showed Mac IE as example. While it was there, it wasn't usable for real life needs.Currently both ActiveX and the browser itself is GONE. Same story on windows media format.
Thanks for reminding ActiveX. I figure who is naive and fool but I am afraid it is not the same person Miguel and his fans attack.
People like you bowing to sold out once successful developers and attacking for that reason makes me disgusted.
.NET, I buy Windows. The junk claiming to be Linux port of it is a joke on real .NET community. It just exists because MSFT can claim their java wannabe is multiplatform too.
This particular thread made me lose all my remaining respect to that guy. If I want to run/code
Any respect I had for you as a software developer is gone. Good luck though, sounds like you will need it. ^^^signed
There are some people who still believes in pure open source philosophy, if you disagree with them, ignore them, just stop mocking people for God's sake. There are still people who respects your work on true opensource products and stays put without clicking "reply" button but if you mock a clearly hurt end user/naive developer, it may change.
.NET/Mono because they are amazingly paranoid, pure open source communists. What about OS X development scene? Everyone, even end users runs away from getting locked to MSFT technologies whatever you try to do.
I miss the Novell of my childhood who made every Microsoft competing product look funny.
Where is a single popular OS X Application that uses Mono Framework which you perfectly packaged in a disk image along with OS X Installer arch? Dare to give download statistics of Mono OS X? Lets say Linux community stays away from
As a OS X user I laugh at Mono and .NET framework. Can I?
Gnome will go down because of its founders impossible to explain love of MSFT technologies, just watch.
These kinds of announcements will start to make people lose trust to Gnome platform because of the founder.
If he will work 100% on doing MSFT'es job, he should declare he has nothing to do with Gnome anymore.
I didn't see Adobe (ab)using another company to ship Flash 9 for Linux/Solaris. They claim it is multiplatform, platform independent and actually code/release versions down to Symbian S60.
Novell should get paid for converting that technology to Linux. Even people finding name for project should be paid. It is a commercial product from a commercial, giant company. Unless I read a statement from OSI, it is my view as an end user just happen to watch scene.
"IronPython provides a direct bridge to communicate with .NET, so it is a more natural choice for .NET developers to use IronPython."
So the usual trick to drive people to MS only language variations in action. Why wouldn't a multi platform intended runtime communicate directly with standard languages as Python?
It is surprising that Python guys didn't sue Microsoft for abusing an established open source (real one!) technologies name for their own single platform junk.
Isn't SUSE "enterprise oriented" distro these days? What is the point of having a end user oriented flash wannabe on enterprise Linux? Will admins play video.live.com videos at workplace? Lets say if they really want to play, videos.live.com will demand IE at first place :)
I really hope Novell has some impossible to predict, evil long term plan for greater Linux or they are really really wasting their time/plain naive.
May we learn your connection with Novell/MSFT/Mono or you are doing this for free without reason?
FUD? Yes, after Mono nightmare, MS claims another open source framework/platform and Miguel/Novell falls to it as usual. Add me to those FUD people too.
I don't stop from laughing when I see "MS" and "Multi Platform" in same paragraph.
Probably the only good thing to come out of the whole MS/Novell mess. I hope someone rather give a single , real life, real business Application that requires Mono Framework which is very nicely packaged and available to download at Mono project servers.
Watching OS X software scene very closely for years, I haven't seen a single product. None. I especially remark OS X since it is more "end user", more "commercial friendly" OS. I haven't seen a single product which uses
BTW as usual, while MS "plans", other companies who really doesn't care what OS you use produces. See Adobe Apollo "alpha", even at Alpha stage, it happily loads a full feature media player to my OS X Desktop
I got "Vuze" (Azureus 3) running at background written entirely in Java, ships for every platform.
So, besides Novell being (or playing) naive again,what is the deal.
If Adobe releases entire Flash technology as open source as result of this MSFT attempt, I would really laugh.
Not saying it is a bad thing, it would be really great.
They say (can't paste, text picture in gif!) that my photos will be automatically converted to flickr.
:)
Lets hope Flickr doesn't have "karma" thing, my precious(!) yahoo photos are generally funny looking stuff I got from mail attachments.
And how would this be any different from the G5? As owner of Quad G5, I suggest if AMD does "1 Mhz" slower CPUs, Apple shouldn't switch.
That God damn lame Mhz thing started again and I am really tired of it. OK- Apple got whatever highest Mhz on planet and it is fast, lets move on.
That "hotter" CPU (PPC970MP) you talk about is running in 40 Celsius , 102 F now. Average of all 4 of them. I would normally start a troll fight but can't since the Boss himself trolled the planet with fake news and RDF.
Yes, PPC is very hot and my brothers G4 1.42 Ghz doesn't run 30 celsius, my Mini connected to HDTV playing 2 pass H264 movies melts over subwoofer it is put.
I had mod points before I reply to this article but I choose to reply instead of modding you down as "troll" since there is already a monster troll who happens to be Boss of Apple Inc.
Also as I said, Apple shouldn't switch to AMD because Mhz seems lower. AMD could be used all over Pixar because of excellent floating point performance but lets not forget Joe Sixpacks who still gives shit to Mhz.
I mean I don't know what Steve Jobs said but besides the bus speed/ram speed (g4) and portability problems (PPC970 never meant for portable), G4/G5 have some very impressive specs.
Its not like we are emulating a outdated 68030 CISC chip on a newly shipped, modern RISC monster from same company. That is why nobody had any performance problems on 68k-->PPC. You can't possibly get that level of performance. Apple abandoned PowerPC not because of being outdated, they abandoned because IBM didn't give a heck to Apple's needs, Motorola didn't care and the future lies on portable.
Switching x86 processor manufacturers would be easier.
Of course, an AMD processor in a MAC laptop would
probably cause the laptop to catch on fire. As owner of G4/G5 based systems here, we hear Intel Mac heat levels and seriously laugh at them.
When Intel switch realised, there were dozens of panic posts at Apple support boards which says something wrong with their system since it runs at 95 degrees celsius. Apple and other Intel users had hard time to explain that is the "normal" temperature of that CPU arch. You know why? If you see a G4/G5 hit 75 degrees, you better bring to service.
So what you suggest is:
a) There is no such heat problem on Intel based macs and Apple didn't make funny looking statements claiming a laptop doesn't mean to be used on lap?
b) There is heat problem on all x86 based laptops but it is more on AMD? (fail to understand how worse it could be)
c) You are just making a joke.
I got a bit touchy about heat issue since people on web got effected by RDF of Mr. Jobs started to think my Quad G5 here is also used heating the house while it currently runs (checking) 40 C (103 F)
I noticed the current front page of Slashdot still appears on Firehose, I think that is the way of getting dynamic feedback.
If people can actually make stories disappear, you wouldn't see any stories critique anything mainstream. Lets say you post something involved with recent Apple security update's (2007-004) problems with installed software and actually the way to fix it, you would see it magically "disappear" in matter of hours because some "fans"(!) would "Slashdot down" it. The fact that it got re-posted (1.1) with bugfix/workaround won't change it.