I hope you are joking. If you aren't joking, better donate to Fink project and OpenDarwin ports. Those will be only programs running happily under UFS.
If you are in Stanford and your particular program setup runs happily under UFS (or it needs it) it is not "we" or "us", "we" should be 90%+ of userbase if you want to generalize anything.
We are bugged because of different reasons. Before I have seen your comment, I was about to flamebait about this:
"Is this a glimpse of hope for all those of us who think HFS+ isn't up to par for a 21st century OS?"
Who are them? I really want to meet with them as a guy using disk filesystems since 1984. 21th century OS?!
Please editors, apple.slashdot.org has started very slow but it is very widely read by Mac users now. You don't need that "thing" you know? I don't think it needs more explanation than that.
We do HD Editing on AVID and it is Mov based. Our editors have very big problems with the timing/time code and sync on AVI.
AVI is a real ill started format from start. It is always, always has been Windows spesific. Microsoft does nothing but abuses their monopoly and bribes companies like Adobe to keep it alive. Result: Excellent Matrox Workstations are not bought because they are Premiere/AVI based.
Same fate is shared by Wmedia format. Those pages suggesting to use wmedia instead of quicktime/sorenson or even the legendary SheerVideo are making whole industry laugh.
At least on OS X they make the ultimate open source fault: Thinking end users are all geeks.
They break backward compatibility at least from 0.81 to 0.82 , I was really really bugged to see my gigabyte level movie archive (big deal, 512kbit here) gone havoc after updating to 0.82.
Solution was to delete ~/Application Support/Democracy they say. Yea, see I know what ~ means;)
This always happens in open source applications. I really don't want to generalize but it is the deal. Sorry.
If there is ONE project to support freedomwise, it is this application. Don't get me wrong.
If 98% of Apple iPod owners and iTunes users wanted.ogg, there would be ogg built in.
How hard for Ogg people to understand? I like the format and its fidelity and would use for offline needs (sorry,.RA is the god online) but I gave up thinking about it because of slashdot.ogg fans.
I am not a moron like they would think we are too. I know there is.ogg codec for quicktime framework and I really know how to install it.
I just purchased a quad g5 with 2.5 gig ram, first thing I did after I updated my system was checking "login" programs and how much mess is there.
StuffIt Deluxe stuff (their 90% of customers use them!) and.. various iPod crap.
I was also seriously bugged by "iPod update" showing next to "airport update" which "iPod" is CHECKED, Airport update having some security fixes UNCHECKED.
I don't have Airport but I don't want a buggy framework deep down in system.
There are always spoiled ignorant people around saying "buy more ram ehehe" or "buy a fast cpu" so this comment is directed to them. Buying a 4 CPU system with 2.5 gb ram does not MEAN I will allow bullshit running on startup.
As a 2.x user (got licensed downloadable) when I first heard about the 3.x version and see it can run in browser again, I was stupid to go to #java and #mac type of channels on IRC to speak about it, with excitement.
Result: I was banned big time as they thought I must be a spammer.
At least nobody will ban slashdot.
Open your eyes, it is an office program running in browser, "software as service". It also means Java delivers while.NET still tries to ban Icaza like people from conferences.
It is news.. For people figuring what it means.
Thinkfree's focus is not Slashdot user profile anyway. Some guy saw the great news and sent here with hope that people will be interested I bet.
Businesses love Thinkfree in fact. Its enterprise version. Even not advanced as this one 2.x version made some companies really happy.
Thing is, it runs on one server.
BTW site is not "slashdotted", that site was taken down 7-10 days ago which I can't remember exactly. I use Papyrus Office on my OS X but I follow thinkfree since its 1.0 version which made people "shock" since it was running in browser with MS JVM. I like/love "software as service" idea and I think it is even a bit late we don't see more stuff like that.
The reason I went there 7 days ago was simple. Some clever guy sent me a powerpoint presentation. I launched my browser, checked it right away and printed it. Remember this is OS X we are talking about and it wasn't even "beta" status that time.
I think it will/may be a hit if they don't make some awful mistakes.
They can of course use it against Microsoft windows media division. A division invented NOTHING (yes, everything you see are licensed/acquired) and tried to drive the real inventors like real networks/apple quicktime out of business using Windows monopoly.
These are my words with bad grammar but they are based on facts found by EU court.
I hope the real reason behind this patent is that. Against "windows media 11 with intellisense technology". "The great invention you can download with 1 click in Vista".
Real is perhaps "evil" but they really did some great stuff. Same goes for Quicktime of Apple. Quicktime is the most "evil" division in Apple but they did amazing things and remember what Ballmer said about it.. Knife the baby etc.
Where are the blue suit IBM engineers in this new Lenovo Thinkpad IBMs?
All misses the point here. It is about huge corparate image near a century long of excellent,serious engineering and amazing research and development.
IBM logo doesn't mean anything on a Chinese manufacturer unless they invent a "G shock resistant laptop HD" or something.
This jumping up and down as "racist" must be an american "politically correct illness" thing too. There are even Chinese gave up buying IBM Thinkpad since they are not "real IBM" anymore.
Not just that. There is some confusion at versiontracker.com comments by people who already own 2.x (PPC) version and bought a Mactel laptop.
I don't know the "remote desktop" scene too much but I think 3.x client is needed for Mactels and if you already own 2.x, you need to buy 3.x and there is no "upgrade" even for that spesific, Apple created situation.
I am not sure since these days it is like impossible to get "real, sure" info in Mac scene. There are Apple zealots, Anti Intel zealots and Mactel zealots all over.
So repeating, I am confused myself but if it is the real case, it is one evil thing by Apple.
Helix community is focused to developers who will actually help coding, everything you see there are generally pre-release software or pure source. So they give stuff like "IBM developerworks".
Nothing at Helix community has "advertisement" or anything like Spam. They brag about 100.000 members lately.
People are mumbling about "spyware", "real is dead" won't understand it but they are the only people who can ship a "final version" player to every portable device (except J2ME), the stuff they give you access there are pretty "precious" and "advanced" Symbian etc code. It is natural they want you to bound to sort of "agreement".
(after blamed to get paid by Realnetworks to post comments, this is the last comment by me on this story)
I paid them in fact, for yearly broadband "radiopass".:) I bet that should be unusual to hear for pirates who thinks DRM is only about their precious mp3s.
After Microsoft said to us, OS X users "use third party plugin to view our media" (flip4mac) , I had to switch completely to Realplayer 10 for OS X and Quicktime for live net radio.
As a side note, I remember Kevin Foreman, Helix Community CTO has a slashdot account and was once naive enough to submit a story to Slashdot about some open source progress I can't remember.
Yes, the same site you read these comments on.
Next time you blame me for getting paid to post comments, either contact Slashdot.org admin (they care about that, no kidding) or have a lawyer handy since I will sue you.
Slashdot Mirror
I hope you are joking. If you aren't joking, better donate to Fink project and OpenDarwin ports. Those will be only programs running happily under UFS.
/. , nevermind :)
If you are in Stanford and your particular program setup runs happily under UFS (or it needs it) it is not "we" or "us", "we" should be 90%+ of userbase if you want to generalize anything.
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We are bugged because of different reasons. Before I have seen your comment, I was about to flamebait about this:
"Is this a glimpse of hope for all those of us who think HFS+ isn't up to par for a 21st century OS?"
Who are them? I really want to meet with them as a guy using disk filesystems since 1984. 21th century OS?!
Please editors, apple.slashdot.org has started very slow but it is very widely read by Mac users now. You don't need that "thing" you know? I don't think it needs more explanation than that.
We do HD Editing on AVID and it is Mov based. Our editors have very big problems with the timing/time code and sync on AVI.
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AVI is a real ill started format from start. It is always, always has been Windows spesific. Microsoft does nothing but abuses their monopoly and bribes companies like Adobe to keep it alive. Result: Excellent Matrox Workstations are not bought because they are Premiere/AVI based.
Same fate is shared by Wmedia format. Those pages suggesting to use wmedia instead of quicktime/sorenson or even the legendary SheerVideo are making whole industry laugh.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/componen
It seems I have understood the article/news release in a very different way and it didn't seem as "spyware" "sellout" etc. to me.
Read.
BTW, I am not a "fan" of the product, I use official bittorrent for OS X to download couple of stuff I see at http://legaltorrents.com/ occasionally.
I use OS X "official" client too. Never failed except one build, it was updated in hours.
It seems Mac community thinks like me looking to its download numbers vs others on versiontracker/macupdate.
They are very different. Yes they are packages but very different packages. Comparing Mov (pro) to AVI is like comparing Betacam SP to Beta.
Ask any video pro.
(I was the AC btw)
At least on OS X they make the ultimate open source fault: Thinking end users are all geeks.
;)
They break backward compatibility at least from 0.81 to 0.82 , I was really really bugged to see my gigabyte level movie archive (big deal, 512kbit here) gone havoc after updating to 0.82.
Solution was to delete ~/Application Support/Democracy they say. Yea, see I know what ~ means
This always happens in open source applications. I really don't want to generalize but it is the deal. Sorry.
If there is ONE project to support freedomwise, it is this application. Don't get me wrong.
We are using Democracy (was DTV) for ages. Man it is surreal on OS X.
1)Quit Democracy
2)Hide democracy
3) Hide others
etc.
Aiee.
.ogg, there would be ogg built in.
.RA is the god online) but I gave up thinking about it because of slashdot .ogg fans.
.ogg codec for quicktime framework and I really know how to install it.
If 98% of Apple iPod owners and iTunes users wanted
How hard for Ogg people to understand? I like the format and its fidelity and would use for offline needs (sorry,
I am not a moron like they would think we are too. I know there is
I just purchased a quad g5 with 2.5 gig ram, first thing I did after I updated my system was checking "login" programs and how much mess is there.
StuffIt Deluxe stuff (their 90% of customers use them!) and.. various iPod crap.
I was also seriously bugged by "iPod update" showing next to "airport update" which "iPod" is CHECKED, Airport update having some security fixes UNCHECKED.
I don't have Airport but I don't want a buggy framework deep down in system.
There are always spoiled ignorant people around saying "buy more ram ehehe" or "buy a fast cpu" so this comment is directed to them. Buying a 4 CPU system with 2.5 gb ram does not MEAN I will allow bullshit running on startup.
Looking to http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 28184 download numbers,rating and comments, story (Rumor!) could be right.
That is a pro market application. Versiontracker isn't very much abused by pros.
People like me knowing how Intel works and how they became Intel was afraid of their tactics when Firewire 800 wasn't present in 15" machine.
If there were a single guy explaining the point instead of shouting "powerpc zealot!!!" all over, I would take back my argument.
If Intel is not in IEEE 1394 commitee and still pushing USB 2 to professionals , you become paranoid a bit.
I know one use for firewire 800 on a laptop. Uncompressed field recording for movies/TV. Sound engineer guy told me as the reason.
The monsters Lacie (.com) sells definately uses the firewire 800 to the limit. One point further, you move to external SATA 2 with a card.
I was testing an antivirus program on my brand new mac and I misunderstood how to install it (PC switcher).
:)
There was a system problem clearly and by chance I copied a 17 MB!!! file from one partition to other... It took 2 mins!
Troll became right for first and last time. I should really have a screen movie recorder that time
As a 2.x user (got licensed downloadable) when I first heard about the 3.x version and see it can run in browser again, I was stupid to go to #java and #mac type of channels on IRC to speak about it, with excitement.
.NET still tries to ban Icaza like people from conferences.
Result: I was banned big time as they thought I must be a spammer.
At least nobody will ban slashdot.
Open your eyes, it is an office program running in browser, "software as service". It also means Java delivers while
It is news.. For people figuring what it means.
Thinkfree's focus is not Slashdot user profile anyway. Some guy saw the great news and sent here with hope that people will be interested I bet.
After they announced "web" version again (1.0 was running in IE/MS JVM) the old timer thinkfree using people said "It is finally, really free".
You can't believe that joke for a not-so-popular poor java program. It was everywhere including mac download sites.
Joke? "If it is thinkfree, why it is not free?"
You would see thinkfree using people trying to explain what "think free" means endlessly.
I hope it finally ended... Oh wait, the downloadable version! OK, not giving further clue.
Businesses love Thinkfree in fact. Its enterprise version. Even not advanced as this one 2.x version made some companies really happy.
Thing is, it runs on one server.
BTW site is not "slashdotted", that site was taken down 7-10 days ago which I can't remember exactly. I use Papyrus Office on my OS X but I follow thinkfree since its 1.0 version which made people "shock" since it was running in browser with MS JVM. I like/love "software as service" idea and I think it is even a bit late we don't see more stuff like that.
The reason I went there 7 days ago was simple. Some clever guy sent me a powerpoint presentation. I launched my browser, checked it right away and printed it. Remember this is OS X we are talking about and it wasn't even "beta" status that time.
I think it will/may be a hit if they don't make some awful mistakes.
They can of course use it against Microsoft windows media division. A division invented NOTHING (yes, everything you see are licensed/acquired) and tried to drive the real inventors like real networks/apple quicktime out of business using Windows monopoly.
These are my words with bad grammar but they are based on facts found by EU court.
I hope the real reason behind this patent is that. Against "windows media 11 with intellisense technology". "The great invention you can download with 1 click in Vista".
Real is perhaps "evil" but they really did some great stuff. Same goes for Quicktime of Apple. Quicktime is the most "evil" division in Apple but they did amazing things and remember what Ballmer said about it.. Knife the baby etc.
I think they paid $60 M and tipped their lawyers "You know, that Apple.. Anyway, nevermind".. :)
Where are the blue suit IBM engineers in this new Lenovo Thinkpad IBMs?
All misses the point here. It is about huge corparate image near a century long of excellent,serious engineering and amazing research and development.
IBM logo doesn't mean anything on a Chinese manufacturer unless they invent a "G shock resistant laptop HD" or something.
This jumping up and down as "racist" must be an american "politically correct illness" thing too. There are even Chinese gave up buying IBM Thinkpad since they are not "real IBM" anymore.
I also hope that they know the size of the mail system they are playing with. That mail system must have its very own schemes, countermeasures.
To see size of Yahoo mail:
http://www.senderbase.org/
ps: Some on that list are spammer friendly ISPs (non managed etc), that is the purpose of that system. They own spamcop.net too.
erm,
http://calendar.yahoo.com/
There is really something "cheesy" with these Google fans... OK ending paranoia mode.
Not just that. There is some confusion at versiontracker.com comments by people who already own 2.x (PPC) version and bought a Mactel laptop.
I don't know the "remote desktop" scene too much but I think 3.x client is needed for Mactels and if you already own 2.x, you need to buy 3.x and there is no "upgrade" even for that spesific, Apple created situation.
I am not sure since these days it is like impossible to get "real, sure" info in Mac scene. There are Apple zealots, Anti Intel zealots and Mactel zealots all over.
So repeating, I am confused myself but if it is the real case, it is one evil thing by Apple.
Helix community is focused to developers who will actually help coding, everything you see there are generally pre-release software or pure source. So they give stuff like "IBM developerworks".
Nothing at Helix community has "advertisement" or anything like Spam. They brag about 100.000 members lately.
People are mumbling about "spyware", "real is dead" won't understand it but they are the only people who can ship a "final version" player to every portable device (except J2ME), the stuff they give you access there are pretty "precious" and "advanced" Symbian etc code. It is natural they want you to bound to sort of "agreement".
(after blamed to get paid by Realnetworks to post comments, this is the last comment by me on this story)
I paid them in fact, for yearly broadband "radiopass". :) I bet that should be unusual to hear for pirates who thinks DRM is only about their precious mp3s.
After Microsoft said to us, OS X users "use third party plugin to view our media" (flip4mac) , I had to switch completely to Realplayer 10 for OS X and Quicktime for live net radio.
As a side note, I remember Kevin Foreman, Helix Community CTO has a slashdot account and was once naive enough to submit a story to Slashdot about some open source progress I can't remember.
Yes, the same site you read these comments on.
Next time you blame me for getting paid to post comments, either contact Slashdot.org admin (they care about that, no kidding) or have a lawyer handy since I will sue you.