By allowing this to be promoted under their banner, the FSF just lost some street-cred with me today.
I've been in high-tech a long time, and zealots have always been a problem. People with well-founded and strong opinions who find responsible ways to be influential are great in my book. People who are obnoxious, arrogant and harmful are a pain in the backside, and should be ignored or marginalized.
I mean, look at the programmable hardware platforms out there that "the powers that be" won't let you program. Game consoles, smartphones, even APIs for stinking video cards. This is all hardware that WE BUY, yet, we can't find out how to write our own stuff unless we are a big dev house and pay tons of $$. Ridiculous.
Wow, your rhetoric epitomizes the worst of economic "survival of the fittest" in your post. Congratulations on being both profane and profoundly wrong.
We're not talking about jobs that are becoming obsolete. Your steamboat captain analogy is worthless. These are simply jobs that are being displaced. If the jobs are obsolete, why does someone overseas still need to do them?
In a job market where tasks and skills are increasingly complex, it is not trivial to completely retrain yourself because your company threw you under the bus for someone overseas who would do the job more cheaply. Sorry, that just doesn't fly.
No one said anything about locking in one job for the rest of their life. But as you'll see on job postings, companies require years of skills these days. Unless you have half a decade or more, they'll turn you away. So yeah, people get locked in by the companies, which then abandon them.
I wouldn't mod you down. I would just hope that karma doesn't someday knock on your door for your angry assertions.
I have considered and rejected complex economic theories that make it a "good thing" for us to send these jobs overseas. Note that I preemptively dealt with this in my post. However, if you are up for it, please enlighten us.
Should Obama's organization call and offer me a job, I will strongly consider it. Thanks for deeming me worthy of that honor.
Yeah, call me protectionist, and queue all the rebuttals, but it's time to just knock this offshoring stuff off. I honestly think it should be made illegal at this point. Banned. For good.
We are gutting good jobs from our economy at a time when we truly can't afford it. We are watching CEOs and other greedy executives make off with literally millions of dollars by making these decisions that take food off the table for countless US families. The people who lose their jobs to crap like this then cannot buy goods and services in America. Guess what that does to the economy? But hey, those CEOs have their mansions and BMWs! They definitely have the mansions and BMWs!
My cell phone company uses an offshore support center. Recently, I spent 50 minutes trying to get two simple questions answered about my calling plan. The rep would "put me on hold while my issue was researched". We're talking REAL EASY questions, but they weren't addressed on the website (which was probably also offshored). This experience, by the way, has happened repeatedly with this provider's customer service. Note that my cell provider didn't lose anything - I'm locked into my plan, just like most other people who suffer from the cellphone cartels. They saved money by offshoring. But I lost 50 minutes of my life, because some bean counting boogerface decided to get himself a big bonus with his "cost saving offshoring" plan. I wish I could have spoken to someone in the US - someone who would then have money to buy stuff here, and who would have answered my question in perhaps only 10 minutes. I am a consultant who is paid by the hour. Should I bill my provider for the extra 40 minutes?
Some people think that offshoring will just raise the level of jobs we have here, and make more room for higher-level salaries. BULL! Where is the evidence? Sure, a select few get to play project manager or supervisor or offshore liaison, and the rest get to go home and wonder what to do with skills they have spent years honing. By the way, I know this might surprise some of you, but NOT EVERYONE wants to be a manager. Some people here would love to have those call center jobs (or those programming jobs, or whatever). Trust me, some people would really like to have them, especially now.
Darn it! Companies that made their fortunes on US ingenuity turn their backs on the US for a quick buck, and we continue to allow it to happen. It makes me sick and enough is enough. We are stupid, especially in the face of growing trade deficits, to send good jobs somewhere else. Wait, we peons are not stupid, it's the bigwig decision makers who AREN'T ACTUALLY HURT by the decisions. We should stop them. Congress should stop them. Which would be easy, if Congress wasn't attached to them at their wallet.
By the way, I have nothing against the folks in other nations to which we offshore this work. They are doing what I would be doing in their shoes - making their best play for these attractive jobs. If you walk up and hand someone an opportunity, you can't blame them for taking it. It's not their fault. It's OUR FAULT!
Not wanting to see our own economy gutted is not the same as being protectionist. This offshoring thing was a bad idea, ill-conceived and unethically promoted. Worse, it's been shamelessly allowed by our do-nothing Congress, and even condoned by brainwashed people who drink the "it'll free us up for more high-level jobs" kool-aid. If you run a business in the US, run it in the US. Employ people here. Between inexpensive overseas goods, offshoring of services, and oil, we seem absolutely hellbent to send every bit of value we can somewhere other than here. ENOUGH!!!
Admittedly, I need to relax a bit. My typing fingers hurt.
Great - now, next thing you know, someone will make a movie out of this.
I couldn't figure out from your post whether you would see this scenario as a nightmare, or if some part of you was hoping for just these events to happen.
You hit on an important point - "developers are notoriously intolerant of following orders simply for orders sake". If all your developers loved CoolToolABC, but then you ordered them to all use CoolToolABC, they would rebel and feel stifled. There's a lot of creativity in software development, and to ignore the psychology of it is a big mistake that I've seen many corporations make.
I've wondered this, too. Are there actual studies that show the use of a cell phone while driving causes a non-trivial increase in the likelihood of having an accident? I can see how any distraction while driving is potentially dangerous, but I have to wonder if the "hang up and drive" phenomenon is about safety, or more about people's allergic reaction to type-A cell phone personalities. Should we also have laws against digging papers out of your briefcase, putting on makeup, dodging toys being hurled by your toddler, or fiddling with your iPod while driving?
And what is up with the reaction to people using cell phones in public places? We talk to other people in public places, how is talking on a cell phone any more obnoxious than talking to the person right next to you? Shouting into a cell phone on the train, or shouting into one in the library seems no less or more offensive than speaking loudly to your nearby friend under the same circumstances. What am I missing?
Your rant would be more digestable if you left out obvious flamebait words like "Marxist". Get over yourself. No one is advocating running the hammer and sickle up the flagpole. We have real problems that we're worried about.
We need to make sure families aren't destroyed by ridiculous medical bills. We have to stop our government from engaging us in pointless, deadly and costly wars and illegally spying on its own citizens. We need to start to consider our environment so our kids have a world to live in. We need to ensure that our wealth isn't blatantly stolen from us by greedy, cheating, multi-millionnaire CEOs, or shipped overseas.
You'd better start considering what "change" you believe in. Our lives are more important than purist political dogma. I'm a Democrat and I respect the Constitution (which means your ass-wiping remark is offensive to me), but I also realize there are honest differences of opinion on how the Constitution should be interpreted. We NEED to solve the problems I outlined above, as a nation, and I believe we can, WITHIN the confines of the Constitution.
It's not a la carte - you've got two choices in November. I hope Obama doesn't "piss you off" so much that you make the wrong one.
So, case in point, to those people, their children are indeed the smartest and most beautiful creatures ever to grace the planet. And in that matter, the Scientific Method is not useful. To test the hypothesis, you would have to determine how to objectively measure "smartness" and "beauty". It would then be necessary to obtain the pertinent data on all humans, past and present. (This might require novel methods.) Once you had analyzed all the collected samples based on the agreed-upon metrics, you would then be in a position to dispute their claim.
Anyway, my kids would win hands down, so we can all save ourselves some time:-)
For my entire life, I've been excited about science and what it can teach us. I simply have no evidence that it can teach us everything. In other words, I've made a conscious choice to not limit my experience in this life to what I can objectively measure. There is no microscope that can see a soul.
Citing Occam's Razor implies that Occam's Razor is an axiom.
No matter how you slice it, everyone I've met ascribes value and meaning to human life. Why is this, if we are all just destined to die anyhow, and be dust, and our heirs to be wiped out by the heat death of the universe? Does that picture look stark just because we are frightened, or because our intuition tells us otherwise? We are sentient and curious beings who have the audacity to ask not just how to live, but why. I don't find it remarkably persuasive that all this happened as a result of some quintillion random quarks that conveniently arranged themselves just so I could enjoy my life. Given the depth of philosophical inquiry, the mystery of dreams, the allure of art and music, the love of family, the beauty of nature, and the wonder we feel at our lives, I don't think I'm going with William of Ockham on this one. The most simple solution may not, in fact, be the best. I have thought about this a lot, and I believe I have a soul.
It would devastate the US. Economically, we're talking Great Depression, or worse. From the national security perspective, we obviously can't sustain another conflict - we're at the breaking point with the ones we're in. And we would shred any remaining credibility in the international arena. I'm not exaggerating when I say that a foolish move like this could sink us, perhaps for decades to come. Maybe we'd never be the same.
This would also damage the world. As we've seen, economies are interdependent. We'll take 'em all down with us - the skyrocketing cost of fuel alone would be enough to cause global havoc. Except of course, for the ones sitting on the oil that we will all still depend on.
Also, this will damage Iran. People may dismiss that, but has anyone proven that Iran is developing nukes? Where is the evidence? And let's not fabricate it this time. Iran has, as they have stated, the right to develop and use nuclear power under the non-proliferation treaty. Their current leader is a nutjob, and he doesn't inspire trust - but that's not enough. We need evidence before attacking another nation. At least, that's what we claim.
And IF there is evidence, why is this solely on the back of the US? Not many nations would like to see a nuclear-armed Iran. It would destabilize the region and perhaps result in WW3. (Hint: Israel is widely believed to have nukes. Mushroom clouds at 11.) India and Pakistan having nukes is scary. Iran and Israel having nukes is Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Alien Vs Predator all rolled into one. Where is the international community - are we the only ones left with a standing army? Since going it alone worked out so well LAST TIME, you'd think we would completely dismiss attacking Iran by ourselves.
Bottom line - our current administration gets these obsessive-compulsive fixations, and we end up paying the price. Not this time, I hope. Congress et al, not just Kucinich, should put a complete stop to things should Bush get any ideas about one last rush to battle. And we, as the citizenry, should let Congress know that they need to communicate their opposition to this crazy idea RIGHT NOW.
So true. We mourn (rightfully) the soliders that have died in Iraq, but for some reason, you don't hear about the tens or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that have perished in this misadventure. You don't hear much about the millions who have been displaced. We don't speak much of the thousands who cower in fear of sectarian violence or poverty. I'm one of the Americans that has a problem with those things.
I read some of the patent application. It's the standard format, but the subject matter is remarkable. I can only think that Microsoft is testing what they can get away with at the USPTO.
If I had the money, I would patent the placement of pineapple on pizza in adjacent hexagonal cells to reduce juice runoff. I would have diagrams. It is novel, non-obvious, and I doubt there is prior art. Then we'd see if the folks in the USPTO are even reading these things.
As a (small) stockholder of MSFT, I have to wonder, don't they have better things to do?
I downloaded higgeldy-piggeldy and scored 17,342 points on my first game. I'm pretty sure it doesn't have any spyware, but it's weird how IE keeps telling me I'm "pwned" or something.
Our intellect is only valuable as long as we can sell it. When someone offshore will sell theirs more cheaply, then we are out of luck.
You'd see how quickly this would grind to a screeching halt if they could offshore CEOs. (But, can you imagine the savings?)
Offshoring our manufacturing didn't make the sky fall right away, but keep your helmet handy. The freefall of the dollar is going to drive up import prices. We can't adapt by simply making our own stuff, because we've mothballed our capacity to do so. Chicken Little may yet have the last laugh.
I just got done taking a first-term conversational Mandarin course. It was super interesting. I've been to China and wouldn't mind going and living there a while. I can understand why an adventurous soul would take this opportunity.
Still, is it really our goal to have all technical work done overseas, with us just pulling the strings? Where's the fun in that? I know why CEOs like it ($$$). But do the vast majority of us who _aren't_ CEOs like it?
This is a classic short-term vs long-term issue. When the US is left without the ability to produce anything of value (i.e., pretty soon), where will all the money come from to pay for goods (including code) and services produced overseas? We can't be the world's CEO - they won't go for it, and they shouldn't. Our value in the value chain is going to diminish. This isn't xenophobia, really. This is just me wanting our country to have something left to do when the music stops.
Pretty soon, we'll have a bunch of offices here, and nothing left to make but coffee.
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By allowing this to be promoted under their banner, the FSF just lost some street-cred with me today.
I've been in high-tech a long time, and zealots have always been a problem. People with well-founded and strong opinions who find responsible ways to be influential are great in my book. People who are obnoxious, arrogant and harmful are a pain in the backside, and should be ignored or marginalized.
Today I'm a little less proud to be a geek.
It is, no doubt.
I mean, look at the programmable hardware platforms out there that "the powers that be" won't let you program. Game consoles, smartphones, even APIs for stinking video cards. This is all hardware that WE BUY, yet, we can't find out how to write our own stuff unless we are a big dev house and pay tons of $$. Ridiculous.
Developers, developers, developers, developers.
Wow, your rhetoric epitomizes the worst of economic "survival of the fittest" in your post. Congratulations on being both profane and profoundly wrong.
We're not talking about jobs that are becoming obsolete. Your steamboat captain analogy is worthless. These are simply jobs that are being displaced. If the jobs are obsolete, why does someone overseas still need to do them?
In a job market where tasks and skills are increasingly complex, it is not trivial to completely retrain yourself because your company threw you under the bus for someone overseas who would do the job more cheaply. Sorry, that just doesn't fly.
No one said anything about locking in one job for the rest of their life. But as you'll see on job postings, companies require years of skills these days. Unless you have half a decade or more, they'll turn you away. So yeah, people get locked in by the companies, which then abandon them.
I wouldn't mod you down. I would just hope that karma doesn't someday knock on your door for your angry assertions.
I have considered and rejected complex economic theories that make it a "good thing" for us to send these jobs overseas. Note that I preemptively dealt with this in my post. However, if you are up for it, please enlighten us.
Should Obama's organization call and offer me a job, I will strongly consider it. Thanks for deeming me worthy of that honor.
Yeah, call me protectionist, and queue all the rebuttals, but it's time to just knock this offshoring stuff off. I honestly think it should be made illegal at this point. Banned. For good.
We are gutting good jobs from our economy at a time when we truly can't afford it. We are watching CEOs and other greedy executives make off with literally millions of dollars by making these decisions that take food off the table for countless US families. The people who lose their jobs to crap like this then cannot buy goods and services in America. Guess what that does to the economy? But hey, those CEOs have their mansions and BMWs! They definitely have the mansions and BMWs!
My cell phone company uses an offshore support center. Recently, I spent 50 minutes trying to get two simple questions answered about my calling plan. The rep would "put me on hold while my issue was researched". We're talking REAL EASY questions, but they weren't addressed on the website (which was probably also offshored). This experience, by the way, has happened repeatedly with this provider's customer service. Note that my cell provider didn't lose anything - I'm locked into my plan, just like most other people who suffer from the cellphone cartels. They saved money by offshoring. But I lost 50 minutes of my life, because some bean counting boogerface decided to get himself a big bonus with his "cost saving offshoring" plan. I wish I could have spoken to someone in the US - someone who would then have money to buy stuff here, and who would have answered my question in perhaps only 10 minutes. I am a consultant who is paid by the hour. Should I bill my provider for the extra 40 minutes?
Some people think that offshoring will just raise the level of jobs we have here, and make more room for higher-level salaries. BULL! Where is the evidence? Sure, a select few get to play project manager or supervisor or offshore liaison, and the rest get to go home and wonder what to do with skills they have spent years honing. By the way, I know this might surprise some of you, but NOT EVERYONE wants to be a manager. Some people here would love to have those call center jobs (or those programming jobs, or whatever). Trust me, some people would really like to have them, especially now.
Darn it! Companies that made their fortunes on US ingenuity turn their backs on the US for a quick buck, and we continue to allow it to happen. It makes me sick and enough is enough. We are stupid, especially in the face of growing trade deficits, to send good jobs somewhere else. Wait, we peons are not stupid, it's the bigwig decision makers who AREN'T ACTUALLY HURT by the decisions. We should stop them. Congress should stop them. Which would be easy, if Congress wasn't attached to them at their wallet.
By the way, I have nothing against the folks in other nations to which we offshore this work. They are doing what I would be doing in their shoes - making their best play for these attractive jobs. If you walk up and hand someone an opportunity, you can't blame them for taking it. It's not their fault. It's OUR FAULT!
Not wanting to see our own economy gutted is not the same as being protectionist. This offshoring thing was a bad idea, ill-conceived and unethically promoted. Worse, it's been shamelessly allowed by our do-nothing Congress, and even condoned by brainwashed people who drink the "it'll free us up for more high-level jobs" kool-aid. If you run a business in the US, run it in the US. Employ people here. Between inexpensive overseas goods, offshoring of services, and oil, we seem absolutely hellbent to send every bit of value we can somewhere other than here. ENOUGH!!!
Admittedly, I need to relax a bit. My typing fingers hurt.
Despite my faith, I know it's got to be older than that. So much human arrogance could not have evolved in so short a time.
Great - now, next thing you know, someone will make a movie out of this.
I couldn't figure out from your post whether you would see this scenario as a nightmare, or if some part of you was hoping for just these events to happen.
You hit on an important point - "developers are notoriously intolerant of following orders simply for orders sake". If all your developers loved CoolToolABC, but then you ordered them to all use CoolToolABC, they would rebel and feel stifled. There's a lot of creativity in software development, and to ignore the psychology of it is a big mistake that I've seen many corporations make.
Wow, why did you get modded down as Flamebait for saying something nice? Weird.
I used to Snoop on my collizzles until they told me to knizzle it off, dizzle bizzle.
I've wondered this, too. Are there actual studies that show the use of a cell phone while driving causes a non-trivial increase in the likelihood of having an accident? I can see how any distraction while driving is potentially dangerous, but I have to wonder if the "hang up and drive" phenomenon is about safety, or more about people's allergic reaction to type-A cell phone personalities. Should we also have laws against digging papers out of your briefcase, putting on makeup, dodging toys being hurled by your toddler, or fiddling with your iPod while driving?
And what is up with the reaction to people using cell phones in public places? We talk to other people in public places, how is talking on a cell phone any more obnoxious than talking to the person right next to you? Shouting into a cell phone on the train, or shouting into one in the library seems no less or more offensive than speaking loudly to your nearby friend under the same circumstances. What am I missing?
Your rant would be more digestable if you left out obvious flamebait words like "Marxist". Get over yourself. No one is advocating running the hammer and sickle up the flagpole. We have real problems that we're worried about.
We need to make sure families aren't destroyed by ridiculous medical bills. We have to stop our government from engaging us in pointless, deadly and costly wars and illegally spying on its own citizens. We need to start to consider our environment so our kids have a world to live in. We need to ensure that our wealth isn't blatantly stolen from us by greedy, cheating, multi-millionnaire CEOs, or shipped overseas.
You'd better start considering what "change" you believe in. Our lives are more important than purist political dogma. I'm a Democrat and I respect the Constitution (which means your ass-wiping remark is offensive to me), but I also realize there are honest differences of opinion on how the Constitution should be interpreted. We NEED to solve the problems I outlined above, as a nation, and I believe we can, WITHIN the confines of the Constitution.
It's not a la carte - you've got two choices in November. I hope Obama doesn't "piss you off" so much that you make the wrong one.
So, case in point, to those people, their children are indeed the smartest and most beautiful creatures ever to grace the planet. And in that matter, the Scientific Method is not useful. To test the hypothesis, you would have to determine how to objectively measure "smartness" and "beauty". It would then be necessary to obtain the pertinent data on all humans, past and present. (This might require novel methods.) Once you had analyzed all the collected samples based on the agreed-upon metrics, you would then be in a position to dispute their claim.
:-)
Anyway, my kids would win hands down, so we can all save ourselves some time
For my entire life, I've been excited about science and what it can teach us. I simply have no evidence that it can teach us everything. In other words, I've made a conscious choice to not limit my experience in this life to what I can objectively measure. There is no microscope that can see a soul.
Citing Occam's Razor implies that Occam's Razor is an axiom.
No matter how you slice it, everyone I've met ascribes value and meaning to human life. Why is this, if we are all just destined to die anyhow, and be dust, and our heirs to be wiped out by the heat death of the universe? Does that picture look stark just because we are frightened, or because our intuition tells us otherwise? We are sentient and curious beings who have the audacity to ask not just how to live, but why. I don't find it remarkably persuasive that all this happened as a result of some quintillion random quarks that conveniently arranged themselves just so I could enjoy my life. Given the depth of philosophical inquiry, the mystery of dreams, the allure of art and music, the love of family, the beauty of nature, and the wonder we feel at our lives, I don't think I'm going with William of Ockham on this one. The most simple solution may not, in fact, be the best. I have thought about this a lot, and I believe I have a soul.
It would devastate the US. Economically, we're talking Great Depression, or worse. From the national security perspective, we obviously can't sustain another conflict - we're at the breaking point with the ones we're in. And we would shred any remaining credibility in the international arena. I'm not exaggerating when I say that a foolish move like this could sink us, perhaps for decades to come. Maybe we'd never be the same.
This would also damage the world. As we've seen, economies are interdependent. We'll take 'em all down with us - the skyrocketing cost of fuel alone would be enough to cause global havoc. Except of course, for the ones sitting on the oil that we will all still depend on.
Also, this will damage Iran. People may dismiss that, but has anyone proven that Iran is developing nukes? Where is the evidence? And let's not fabricate it this time. Iran has, as they have stated, the right to develop and use nuclear power under the non-proliferation treaty. Their current leader is a nutjob, and he doesn't inspire trust - but that's not enough. We need evidence before attacking another nation. At least, that's what we claim.
And IF there is evidence, why is this solely on the back of the US? Not many nations would like to see a nuclear-armed Iran. It would destabilize the region and perhaps result in WW3. (Hint: Israel is widely believed to have nukes. Mushroom clouds at 11.) India and Pakistan having nukes is scary. Iran and Israel having nukes is Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Alien Vs Predator all rolled into one. Where is the international community - are we the only ones left with a standing army? Since going it alone worked out so well LAST TIME, you'd think we would completely dismiss attacking Iran by ourselves.
Bottom line - our current administration gets these obsessive-compulsive fixations, and we end up paying the price. Not this time, I hope. Congress et al, not just Kucinich, should put a complete stop to things should Bush get any ideas about one last rush to battle. And we, as the citizenry, should let Congress know that they need to communicate their opposition to this crazy idea RIGHT NOW.
Oops, I wrote more than I thought I would. Sorry.
So true. We mourn (rightfully) the soliders that have died in Iraq, but for some reason, you don't hear about the tens or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that have perished in this misadventure. You don't hear much about the millions who have been displaced. We don't speak much of the thousands who cower in fear of sectarian violence or poverty. I'm one of the Americans that has a problem with those things.
Wish I had mod points.
I read some of the patent application. It's the standard format, but the subject matter is remarkable. I can only think that Microsoft is testing what they can get away with at the USPTO.
If I had the money, I would patent the placement of pineapple on pizza in adjacent hexagonal cells to reduce juice runoff. I would have diagrams. It is novel, non-obvious, and I doubt there is prior art. Then we'd see if the folks in the USPTO are even reading these things.
As a (small) stockholder of MSFT, I have to wonder, don't they have better things to do?
$600 million? I could buy 3, maybe 4 copies of Vista Ultimate with that.
Not to mention, "nuclear".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100_line
Actually, everybody knows that a million billion is a gajillion.
Sheesh.
I downloaded higgeldy-piggeldy and scored 17,342 points on my first game. I'm pretty sure it doesn't have any spyware, but it's weird how IE keeps telling me I'm "pwned" or something.
ROT-13 has been broken. You need to use Triple ROT-13 (3ROT13).
Our intellect is only valuable as long as we can sell it. When someone offshore will sell theirs more cheaply, then we are out of luck.
You'd see how quickly this would grind to a screeching halt if they could offshore CEOs. (But, can you imagine the savings?)
Offshoring our manufacturing didn't make the sky fall right away, but keep your helmet handy. The freefall of the dollar is going to drive up import prices. We can't adapt by simply making our own stuff, because we've mothballed our capacity to do so. Chicken Little may yet have the last laugh.
I just got done taking a first-term conversational Mandarin course. It was super interesting. I've been to China and wouldn't mind going and living there a while. I can understand why an adventurous soul would take this opportunity.
:-)
Still, is it really our goal to have all technical work done overseas, with us just pulling the strings? Where's the fun in that? I know why CEOs like it ($$$). But do the vast majority of us who _aren't_ CEOs like it?
This is a classic short-term vs long-term issue. When the US is left without the ability to produce anything of value (i.e., pretty soon), where will all the money come from to pay for goods (including code) and services produced overseas? We can't be the world's CEO - they won't go for it, and they shouldn't. Our value in the value chain is going to diminish. This isn't xenophobia, really. This is just me wanting our country to have something left to do when the music stops.
Pretty soon, we'll have a bunch of offices here, and nothing left to make but coffee.
Guess I'll keep learning Mandarin