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Inside the TRS-80 Model 100

enalbro writes "What wouldn't you give for a laptop that starts instantly, weighs 3 pounds and gets 20 hours of battery life? That's the TRS-80 Model 100 in a nutshell. Granted, it displays only 8 lines of text and has just 28 kilobytes of memory, but it's a classic, the first truly popular portable in the U.S. At PC World we have a teardown that'll show you the guts of this featherweight champ." And, like many of the best things in life, it's powered by AA batteries (as is the Apple eMate).

228 comments

  1. Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

    1. Re:Eh by pak9rabid · · Score: 2, Funny

      No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame. Yeah, the engineers totally should have teleported 20 years into the future and brought back wifi and SSD drives for it.
    2. Re:Eh by oodaloop · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, it would have been so cool to log into DARPAnet while on the go.

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    3. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Eh by atomicthumbs · · Score: 2, Informative

      DARPA was still ARPA back then.

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    5. Re:Eh by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Informative

      Psst, look here:

      http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23/1816257&tid=107

      This is also why I pay no attention to the slashdot mob's opinions or predictions.

    6. Re:Eh by ahabswhale · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, ARPA was renamed in '72 which is why it's referred to as ARPANET, not DARPANET (ARPANET went live in '69). The TRS-80 Model 100 was introduced in 1983.

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    7. Re:Eh by schwaang · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah. Back then we used the 300baud modem to log in to Compuserve or MCImail and we liked it.

      That was back when people would see your email address on your business card and say "what's that?". And when you told them, they'd say "oh you nerds can talk to each other, how cute". Those people are now getting phished by hackers, so it's all good.

    8. Re:Eh by phulegart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, this comment really shows how no one bothers to do a little more research than just reading titles.

      For instance... did you know...

      These computers, as well as the TRS-80 CoCos and the Model I, III, and IV units... the units that saved programs to cassette, have greater wireless capabilities than our current hardware. All it takes is to plug in the input and output that are supposed to go to the cassette recorder, and patch it into a HAM radio. It's already being done. People are sending programs and information half-way around the world, without wires and without the assistance of satellites.

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    9. Re:Eh by Cornwallis · · Score: 0

      Whaddya mean no wireless?!?! I soldered a Bluetooth BLueSmirf module to my M100's UART and tada...wireless! So there!

    10. Re:Eh by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only Schneier knows why the parent isn't modded funny. And He's not telling.

    11. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No wireless.

      Well, quite. Wireless was known to the Victorians.

    12. Re:Eh by tompaulco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      TRS-80s were awesome. I worked with a hardware guy once and he built a seismometer and we used a TRS-80 to read the seismometer output from the serial port and make a graph.

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    13. Re:Eh by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Well, there are people who have built Compact Flash adapters for use with Apple IIs (and presumably other personal computers). One such one is
      http://dreher.net/?s=projects/CFforAppleII&c=projects/CFforAppleII/main.php

    14. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is parent funny? Oh well, go ahead and pretend HAM radio doesn't exist and can't carry data...

    15. Re:Eh by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      The Model 100 does have an expansion bus, so it's definitely possible...

      It also has an expansion ROM port, maybe an M-Systems Disk-On-Chip would work in there?

    16. Re:Eh by Dadoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

      Maybe, but the form factor of the machine is perfect for a lot of uses. I wonder how difficult it would be to develop a new motherboard, based on modern components. If you could put together an ultra-low-power ARM CPU, 128 meg, or so, of memory, and a CompactFlash slot for storage, you could run Linux on it. Replace the 25-pin serial port and the printer port with 9-pin serial and USB ports, replace the phone port with an actual modem jack, replace the bar code reader port with a 100Mb Ethernet jack, and you'll have a fully functional computer, perfect for troubleshooting computer hardware in remote places. I'd bet all that would fit into the same box. You might even be able to include wireless.

      Of course, I doubt you'd get 20 hours out of 4 AA batteries, then. If you still want that, you'd need to stay reasonably old-school: the same ARM CPU with just a few megabytes of memory. You could probably keep the CompactFlash slot, but you'd almost certainly have to drop down to 10Mb Ethernet, and give up the wireless. You'd also have to write your own operating system (and TCP/IP stack, ouch). It would still be cool, though.

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    17. Re:Eh by Intron · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someday it will be available within one's horseless carriage.

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    18. Re:Eh by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      That was back when people would see your email address on your business card and say "what's that?". And when you told them, they'd say "oh you nerds can talk to each other, how cute". About 10 years ago I tried to use a DIY business card machine at a shopping centre. It didn't have an @ character so I had to write "at".
    19. Re:Eh by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Thats my eee

    20. Re:Eh by jcwayne · · Score: 0

      I'll get right on that.

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    21. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget saving programs to a standard cassette tape recorded.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RadioShack_Tape_Recorder.jpg

      Random access: ff, rw,rw,rw,ff, damn where is my program! Shit my sister recorded Paul McCartney and Wings over my App!

    22. Re:Eh by jippeenator · · Score: 1

      I just quickly looked over the link you posted and it seems as though most slashdotters posting about the original IPod were in favor of it and Apple. Many were right on about it in fact. As far as our mob opinions it seems as though we were mostly right about its success. I hear what you are saying though. I try not to pay too much attention to overly negative posts as they can add only so much perspective and get old so very quickly.

    23. Re:Eh by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

      Hey, it had an internal 300bps modem and I had a lot of fun BBSing through the 80s. Even bought the 3.5" RS-232 floppy drive that also ran on AA batteries. I didn't know what ARPA was at the time, nor the BBSes I frequented such as Archer80 made any mention of it, but with the internal modem and integrated terminal application, I'm sure it wasn't out of the realm of possibility. I only learned of the internet by seeing strange .com file names with @ signs in them. :)

    24. Re:Eh by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      I remember that thread, I think. Perhaps its my faulty memory but I thought most of them panned it. Then later meta-moderators kept raising the score of the positive comments after the financial success of the ipod.

    25. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROTF! Brat Taco's comments are usually stupid, but that one's a gem.

  2. Bought two used ones a long time back by JoeCommodore · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of which the previous owner had ran over with her car. Except for the missing LCD (was cracked) the unit worked; keyboard and all.

    Had a nice little BASIC and lots of cool ports. Trivia: the OS was the last major coding work by Bill Gates himself.

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    1. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by eck011219 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We had one that my dad left in the trunk of the car for about a week in the summer so the keys partially melted. It was hard to type (you really had to pound on a couple of the keys to get them to register) but it still worked like a charm. Now I worry about my Dell laptop on humid days.

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    2. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by Ooblek · · Score: 3, Interesting
      A friend was cleaning out his garage once and had one of these in a box. He gave it to me. I like tinkering with antique computers on occasion. (I still have my C64 programmers handbook that has the fold-out motherboard schematic in the back.)

      A few years later, I velcroed it to a pull-out rack shelf and hooked a null modem cable to it to monitor the console output of a SSL Screen Sound setup (proprietary pro-audio digital mixer/editor in the days before Pro-tools). It couldn't quite keep up with the 9600 baud stream if there was a lot of data streaming fast like during bootup. It did the trick, however, when you just needed to go in and check some of the statuses while the system was running. I think I mostly used it to go in and low-level format the hard drives on occasion.

      It was useful for a while, and that must have been somewhere in the mid-90s that I used it.

    3. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by superslacker87 · · Score: 1

      Just goes to show that today quantity is far more important than quality. My phone overheats if I leave it in the car far too long, I don't even want to know what would happen to my laptop.

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    4. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by f8l_0e · · Score: 5, Funny

      From page 4 of the article: "Peeking in from the left is the reset button, which the user needs from time to time due to a few pesky bugs in the ROM code, reminding us that even non-Windows systems can crash." I guess the quality of Microsoft software has stayed the same as the days when Bill was writing code.

    5. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Had a nice little BASIC and lots of cool ports. Trivia: the OS was the last major coding work by Bill Gates himself.


      Yep. Witness these 'screenshots':

      Jan 12, 1908 Tue 14:03:54 (C)Microsoft
      BASIC TEXT TELCOM ADDRSS
      SCHEDL MYFILE.DO -.- -.-

      Select: _ 24121 Bytes free


      (edited for slashdot's junk characters filter)

      BASIC was highlighted. Press Enter:


      Jan 12, 1908 Tue 14:03:54 (C)Microsoft
          WARNING!
          You are about to run BASIC. This
          software can make changes to your
          system!

      ALLOW CANCEL
      Select: _ 24121 Bytes free

      Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk'
    6. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I loved mine. The coupler for it was a breakthrough. Storing files on the 3.5" floppy was cool but time consuming. It was physically indestructable but didn't hold up to high temps for very long. I blew mine up twice sitting cross legged with a blanket on my lap. I wouldn't realize how hot it was getting because I was busy writing. The add on ROM was wonderful. Gates did a fantastic job on it.

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    7. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by wass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Back in 1999, a guy at my old workplace still used a TRS-80 Model 100 for field testing portable RS-232 devices he was building. And they had a huge budget, yet the TRS-80 was the best and easiest thing to enable rapid field testing.

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    8. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some microcomputers from that era (Z80 and 6502 based) used the CPU reset as a normal key to jump back to the main prompt.

    9. Re:Bought two used ones a long time back by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I don't recall having to reset it often. I had a Lisp interpreter for it, that program's best feature was making the system reset. In fact, that was that program's only feature.

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      When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.
  3. GK Chesterton by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    GK Chesterton once wrote, 'there has never been a revolution that was not a reinstitution' - or something very similar to that.

    With the new crop of machines like the EEE PC it seems that we're moving back to small, power-efficient machines as opposed to huge hulkers.

    Hopefully, as people become more conscience of the cost of energy, both in economic and environmental terms, we'll see more applications of low-power consumption chips like ARM and 20hours of battery life won't seem so amazing anymore.

    1. Re:GK Chesterton by Applekid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With the new crop of machines like the EEE PC it seems that we're moving back to small, power-efficient machines as opposed to huge hulkers. People have been predicting the death of the hulker desktop now for what, 10 years? Sure the move to smaller and efficient is what's going to make computing truly ubiquitous by hiding them everywhere (well, that and economics), but full-sized machines will always have more power and reflect the state-of-the-art computing muscle the industry has to offer.

      But muscle isn't everything? Lalalala, I can't hear you. ;)
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    2. Re:GK Chesterton by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I plan on experimenting with Pico-ITX, or perhaps ARM systems this year, trying to see if I can't power a reasonably useful system on solar or so. I probably wouldn't want to be doing a buildworld every week on one, but it'd be nice to have something power efficient to idle IRC...

      there is always going to be a place for hulking, massive systems -- however, we should try and make them as power efficient as possible.

    3. Re:GK Chesterton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this suggests using solar to power a battery to power the ARM-based NSLU2. It would be cool if buglabs had a solar power module. IT would also be cool if they weren't so overpriced.

    4. Re:GK Chesterton by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      I haven't read that, but I figured that it would be best to use a battery, then use my renweable energy source to recharge the battery...

      I'm thinking of rigging up a mini wind turbine/solar array.

    5. Re:GK Chesterton by hurfy · · Score: 1

      lol

      I just finished rebuilding a 386 laptop to use for home inventory as well as add to my collection of working vintage. Soldered up a new CMOS battery and built a new battery pack. Hopefully destroying the 'equalizer' battery (a stack of 10 button cells soldered together, connector on MB is shot) won't cause any long-time problems.
      The floppy drive is seperate but the computer is smaller than my real laptop and runs forever. Complete with original DOS 6 and Windows 3.1 :)

      Always wanted one of those RS buggers to play with but no joy....

    6. Re:GK Chesterton by schwaang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      With the new crop of machines like the EEE PC it seems that we're moving back to small, power-efficient machines as opposed to huge hulkers.


      What's interesting to me is the tension this sets up with operating systems like Vista which are moving in the opposite direction.

      Just when the ultimate in MS bloatware comes out, suddenly a new (again) market appears for ultra-portable general-purpose PCs that can't run Vista.

      So we have WinXP on the OLPC XO-1 and Asus EEE PC, etc., because Vista's too big and WinCE is too small. XP or linux+xfce are juuust right.

      Personally I *want* my desktop to handle speech recognition and swooshy graphics if it has the beef. And I want my portable to have a huge battery life AND a general-purpose OS.

      So I think this OS bloat bifurcation should continue.
    7. Re:GK Chesterton by saskboy · · Score: 1

      I'm looking forward to footpedal powered computers. We can use nervous foot tapping energy for good, instead of nothing.

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  4. The best part about the TRS-80 Model 100... by thesolo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And the best part of it is...the control key is in the proper place! That is to say, it's directly left of the A key, on the home row. Just like the Happy Hacker or Sun keyboards. Amen.

    1. Re:The best part about the TRS-80 Model 100... by adnonsense · · Score: 1

      Or indeed MacBook keyboards.

    2. Re:The best part about the TRS-80 Model 100... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aND LO, THE gLORIOUS kEYBOARDS OF aRCHAIC cOMPUTING SHALL RISE TO...

      *ahem* Ah. Sorry about that. My control key got stuck back there. I'm better now.

    3. Re:The best part about the TRS-80 Model 100... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that I own a MacBook, I believe that I can safely say that that is the Capslock key, not any type of control key.

      Capcha:believes

    4. Re:The best part about the TRS-80 Model 100... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or indeed any keyboard. My Windows and linux PC keyboards have always had the control key in the right place.

      I used to swap the caps lock and control keys, but since I never need the caps lock and since occasional users of my keyboard get confused about the layout, I nowadays just turn the caps lock key into a control key and live without a caps lock.

    5. Re:The best part about the TRS-80 Model 100... by ISoldat53 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nearly every main frame at the time had a terminal description for it. It was the most widely used device for reporters. They would write their stories and dial the home office using a phone coupler that attached to the phone mouth piece and download the story. They could be used as terminals for Tandy's TRS80 model 2 Xenix systems. One thing it did not handle was leap year. I had an Otis elevator engineer call up on leap day to tell me he used them to start and log the error codes for elevator controllers. It couldn't log for this day because it wasn't able to handle leap day. I told him to call me back the next day.

    6. Re:The best part about the TRS-80 Model 100... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And the best part of it is...the control key is in the proper place! That is to say, it's directly left of the A key, on the home row.

      Just like the Happy Hacker or Sun keyboards. Amen. The JIS (Japanese) layout on Apple computers also has the control key directly left of the A on the home row.
  5. keyboards by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Laptop makers could learn a thing or two from that keyboard - WAY better feel than those stupid flat keys that so many laptops use today (Apple, Sony, etc.). If you can't do something better than they did 20 years ago, just don't even try, m'kay?

    1. Re:keyboards by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      I have a first revision Commodore 64 with a keyboard like the TRS-80 Model 1000's. If it's all the same to you, I'd rather keep my flat-key MacBook keyboard. Typing on the C64 is not something I'd like to do on a regular basis. But typing on my MacBook? That is something I already do on a regular basis.

      Sorry, but nostalgia is not a good stand-in for real-world superiority. (And I say that as a classic video game/computer collector.)

    2. Re:keyboards by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Sorry, but nostalgia is not a good stand-in for real-world superiority."

      I sense a great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of Model M users cried out in rage, and then continued typing.

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    3. Re:keyboards by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The difference is that the Model M really was an excellent keyboard. With every key exceptionally well sprung, the keyboard was so heavy you could kill someone with it. (Hmmm... Colonel Mustard did it in the office with the keyboard?) Yet the keys were very responsive, well spaced, and easy to type on. I'm not sure I'd go as far as to demand that all modern keyboards should emulate the Model M, but it was a good keyboard.

    4. Re:keyboards by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Your point would be good if a C64 keyboard was actually like the TRS-80 Model 100 keyboard. It isn't, though.

      I have a MacBook on my desk next to me at work, and that keyboard blows. All form over function. :(

      Apple is hardly alone in this, though, as Sony proves (and that Optimus keyboard).

    5. Re:keyboards by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      Looking at some of the replies, I guess some people just like typing on those flat, no-travel keys. Myself, I love the "ka-chunk" that the M-100 provides. It's also superior to many "regular" keyboards you can buy today.

      I suspect that modern laptops keep their keyboards slim so as to keep the units slim as a whole. But I would gladly sacrifice a the slim profile for a "real" keyboard.

    6. Re:keyboards by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      I suspect that modern laptops keep their keyboards slim so as to keep the units slim as a whole. But I would gladly sacrifice a the slim profile for a "real" keyboard.

      Probably, plus for the fancy looks. I'd love for Lenovo to put a buckling-spring keyboard in the ThinkPads. Hell, you could probably put a little generator in each key and partially power the thing just with your typing! :) Then if they made it cheaper, I could maybe buy one. Someday.

    7. Re:keyboards by AKAImBatman · · Score: 0

      Looks like the same keyboard design to me. High impact plastic keycaps mounted on through-hole plastic posts, sprung with a small spring around the post. IIRC, the contact for the key is on the bottom of the post on the other side of the board through which the posts are threaded. (The plastic posts are usually + crosses to ensure that they don't exert unexpected torque on the keycaps. Also, the shape helps secure the keycaps as pressure is the only thing holding them on.)

      The problem with this design is that a key that is not struck correctly (e.g. you hit the side of the key, or exert pressure in a direction other than straight down), friction can develop between the key and the board underneath. The post may even lean sideways during the strike. Since everything about the keys is designed to prevent this, the key effectively locks in place and the strike is missed. Thus the keyboard requires a certain amount of training, and is only effective when used from particular angles. (And with laptops, the angle of impact can change regularly.) This problem can be mitigated by striking the key harder to push past the sticking point, but why? Modern keyboards like the ones in the MacBook do just as good of a job with less force. They have a good feel about them, make it easy to find keys based on tactile feel, and generally are nice to type on.

      If you're used to the keyboard on a TRS-80 Model 100 (which I'm amazed no one has drug out the infamous tag-line of "Trash 80" yet) then you won't notice the many quirks of such old keyboard designs. However, they are there, and they do frustrate modern users. Which is one of the many reasons why modern keyboards look nothing like those of the TRS-80 and C64 eras.

      As I said, nostalgia is not a good stand-in.

    8. Re:keyboards by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Looks like the same keyboard design to me.

      Tell me - have you USED both keyboards? I have, and they feel NOTHING alike.

    9. Re:keyboards by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll just note that the past tense isn't correct - I'm typing this post on a Model M manufactured 2008-03-06, and with native USB. ;)

      (Granted, it's an EnduraPro 104, and the construction isn't nearly as heavy duty as an IBM Model M, but it does say Model M on the bottom, and has buckling springs. :))

    10. Re:keyboards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm not sure I'd go as far as to demand that all modern keyboards should emulate the Model M, but it was a good keyboard.

      Of course not. Modern keyboards should emulate the IBM Selectric typewriter that the Model M emulated.

      Now quit blocking my walker!
    11. Re:keyboards by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      I have two. One for home and one I brought to work to replace the FPOS Dell keyboard. Manufactured 11OCT86 :)

      I bought the one I brought to work so it's nice and clean. The home one is from an IBM-XT-286 I had long long ago. Still works great.

      [John]

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    12. Re:keyboards by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      The weight is also a big deal.

      Even the lightest weight buckling spring boards are in the 3 pound area. My EnduraPro 104 is about 3.5 pounds, I'd say, although it does have an 1/8" thick steel plate in it.

      When the whole LAPTOP weighs under 3 pounds, there's not room for a 2 pound (allowing for the fact that there would be less keys) keyboard. So, they use scissor+rubber dome switches instead.

      That said, there is the Model M6... it's not buckling spring, but IBM deemed it worthy of a Model M designation. It, along with the Model M6-1, was used in the first ThinkPads.

    13. Re:keyboards by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I have... oh, hell, I lost count.

      The EnduraPro, a Model M13 (that was refurbished... badly... so I have to go in and refurbish it again myself...,) and three Model Ms (one of which is a 1993 IBM-built one, and is my favorite keyboard to type on, but I use the EnduraPro more due to the pointing stick and the Windows keys (being on a Mac, having a real 104-key keyboard helps.)) I think.

    14. Re:keyboards by pxc · · Score: 1

      I have something like 15 of them. My dad's company just gets rid of their old ones since the new Dell Optiplexes don't have PS/2 ports.

      There's no nostalgia for me, though--I'm 16, only a year older than the keyboard. I just like them because they're good keyboards.

    15. Re:keyboards by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna guess the steel plate in that is probably the bulk of the internal weight of that keyboard (in addition to the fewer keys, you also wouldn't need the outer plastic case of a normal keyboard). I'm sure it could be made quite a bit lighter than 2 pounds.

    16. Re:keyboards by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      (which I'm amazed no one has drug out the infamous tag-line of "Trash 80" yet) Take a peek at my e-mail address.
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    17. Re:keyboards by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      I use a Model M (unicomp USB) with my Macintosh. Zero nostalgia, zero aesthetics -- the decision is based 100% on quality and personal preferences.

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      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    18. Re:keyboards by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Well, if I recall correctly, the Model M2, the cheaper version of the Model M for the PS/1, didn't have the steel plate, and still came in near 3 pounds.

    19. Re:keyboards by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      If you look at a Model M keyboard, then remove the outer plastic cage, any internal steel plate stuff, then realize the circuitboard size for the keyboard is a good 75% smaller than a laptop keyboard circuitboard, then I think you could cut the weight of this down quite a bit. I'm sure we'll never know, though, because noone will ever do this. :(

      Unless I get rich!

    20. Re:keyboards by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Well, actually, it wouldn't be too hard to take a Model M2, a hacksaw, and a controller ROM from a Model M SpaceSaver (so that it would have NumLock by pressing Shift+Scroll Lock,) and see what would happen...

      IIRC, the connector for the key decoding matrix on an early Model M is on the left side, so hacking off the right side of the board wouldn't do any damage.

      Then, put this monstrosity in an IBM PC Convertible (I had one, but I don't remember how the keyboard felt.) Work from there. If nothing else, I bet one could take an old ThinkPad 700 shell, remove all the guts, transplant newer ThinkPad guts into it, and hook the frankenboard up. (You'd have to sink the keyboard deep into the thing for it to fit, hence the old 3" thick ThinkPad shell with parts from something like an X41.)

    21. Re:keyboards by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      I sense a great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of Model M users cried out in rage, and then continued typing.

      My ears sense a disturbance from all that clickety-clicking...

      --
      Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
    22. Re:keyboards by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      I'll just note that the past tense isn't correct - I'm typing this post on a Model M manufactured 2008-03-06, and with native USB. ;)

      This...except that mine says 14 May 2007 and is the space-saver model. It is USB, though, so it works like a champ with both the Mac mini and the various x86 boxen I have around here. I also have a couple of older PS/2 Model Ms: a Lexmark from '93 and an IBM from '87. I picked those up cheap on eBay and use them at work; the Unicomp keyboard is at home (typing on it right now), where it replaced a Focus FK2001 (another good, clicky keyboard...not as durable as a Model M, but it didn't cost as much when I bought it new).

      Model M keyboards FTMFW!

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  6. energy efficient machines by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    With the new crop of machines like the EEE PC it seems that we're moving back to small, power-efficient machines as opposed to huge hulkers.

    With OLED screens coming as the next big thing in the next few years, processors like VIA's Nano (formerly Isiah, I think), Intel's Atom, SSD storage, integrated graphics, things are definitely looking up on this front. Along with fewer moving parts to improve useful life, this is all great news.

    I just hope the usability improves as well. Keyboards like on the Model 100 have a *much* better feel than any modern laptop I've used.

    I read an article the other day about some big advance coming up for Lithium-Ion batteries, so that'll be nice, too. :)

    1. Re:energy efficient machines by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Quick question, have you tried ThinkPad keyboards, especially the 600 series, T20-24, X20-23, T40-43, R50-52, X60-61,or T60-61?

      Those are by far the best laptop keyboards I've ever typed on, and I greatly prefer them to most rubber dome keyboards. (However, I prefer a good buckling spring keyboard.)

    2. Re:energy efficient machines by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Quick question, have you tried ThinkPad keyboards

      I have, and they're easily the best of the laptop lot these days. I shudder to think what Lenovo is going to do to that line, though.

      Sadly, I cannot afford a Thinkpad right now. :(

    3. Re:energy efficient machines by Two9A · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know this is a strange comment to make in a Trash-80 thread, but: Have we gone back in time 10 years?

      Ever since the 760 days, Lenovo have manufactured ThinkPads. The entire X and T lines, and everything before for at least 5 years has been Lenovo, including the keyboards. If you're of the opinion that Lenovo "taking over" the ThinkPad is a bad thing, you're very uninformed.

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    4. Re:energy efficient machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Lenovo has been manufacturing ThinkPads for quite some time, but it used to be IBM calling the shots on what went into the product line. Now, Lenovo could decide to use cheaper parts for the keyboards (or whatever), less rigorous manufacturing standards, and so on - decisions which I wouldn't expect IBM to make. I think that would be a great way to lose customers, and I've seen no evidence that Lenovo has begun doing that. However, it's possible.

      - T

    5. Re:energy efficient machines by armanox · · Score: 1

      Love my 600E =) Other good laptop keyboards: Toshiba T1000

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    6. Re:energy efficient machines by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I think Lenovo knows better than to cash in on the ThinkPad name.

      Besides, they have the IdeaPad line if they want to do that, without hurting the ThinkPad line.

      Anyway, I'll note that it wasn't Lenovo that made most of the recent ThinkPads before the buyout. It was Great Wall, one of Lenovo's main competitors, which created an interesting situation during the buyout.

      (Winstron was another company that IBM used, for the X and R series. My "Lenovo"-built R51e was built by Winstron, in fact.)

    7. Re:energy efficient machines by dafdaf · · Score: 1

      I'd much rather have something resembling what would be an iRex or some other epaper device. Running Linux on an ARM CPU + Wifi, USB... the only thing missing is an ultra portable BT or USB keyboard and some solar cells on the back.
      When using the Wifi in an efficient way, you should be power independent for a couple of days - even without getting out and lying in the sun, together with your recharging gadget ;-).

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  7. Love it! by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Came across one in the hallway of a university I sometimes work at; it had been left for the janitors to take away so I snagged it for my son. He's almost two, and has fun banging away on it...any time he starts making his way toward my laptop, or my wife's, we just say, "Hey, where's your laptop these days?"

    Only problem is, my wife has an iBook, and once he notices that his laptop isn't nearly as shiny as hers we're doomed. Lucky thing I'm a Linux sysadmin...I can just point to an xterm once he starts wondering about the difference between his laptop and ours. :-)

    1. Re:Love it! by bhtooefr · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's when you upgrade him to a TRS-80 Model... 200!

    2. Re:Love it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Lucky thing I'm a Linux sysadmin

      What it isn't a commodity skillset anymore?

    3. Re:Love it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Everyone can claim to be a Linux sysadmin these days, however, I wonder (and this is not meant to be an insult to the parent or grandparent poster), how many people actually are knowledgable, versus those who just can point and click to get their network config in Ubuntu or another config.

      For example, one Linux distro on a box I have has such a convoluted config for networking, I just ripped it out, and have

      ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.5
      ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0
      ifconfig eth0 up
      hostname blarfbox
      route add default gw 10.0.0.1

      Its ugly, but it gets the machine up and on the net. If I need to change the IP address, I just edit that file, run a couple ifconfigs, and call it done.

      Maybe I'm just an old timer where one had to even ifconfig up the local loopback adapter in SLS and early Slackware versions, so relying on a distro's point and drool GUI tools puts me off.

  8. I still have mine by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Granted, it is older than I am, but it is indeed quite impressive. My parents gave it to me when I was about 10 years old. Since I wanted to play games on it, I had to type code in from a book.

    Instant boot. Sunlight readable display. Full travel keyboard, full size keys. Ctrl key in the correct place. No screen joints to wear out.

    20 hours, on 4 AA batteries. No proprietary battery.

    External storage is an audio cassette. I think it uses the modem to generate the sounds for the cassette, but I could be wrong.

    The OS does have a few bugs, where if a program does something bad (not using PEEK and POKE, but pure basic), or is too big to tokenize, it crashes and erases all memory. That makes writing big programs very exciting.

    The OS also isn't Y2K compatible, with this year being "1908".

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    1. Re:I still have mine by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Insightful


      >20 hours, on 4 AA batteries. No proprietary battery.

      Do not underestimate the impact of this, on its popularity.
      One big reason the Model 100 was so popular among journalists was
      the extremely good (even for now) battery life, together with the
      fact that the AA battery is something that you'd be able to get in
      even some very remote places.

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    2. Re:I still have mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I learned programming on one of those beast. Actually, I learn assembly on one of those /without the manuals/ (I was stuck in a place where there was no way to get the manuals). Ie:

      By poking and peeking back, I discovered what the various memory ranges were.

      By poking and calling, I discovered a few opcodes (201 being the "RET" instruction is forever burned in my brain).

      By looking in a z80 assembly book I discovered some similarities, and got an almost complete instruction set out of it.

      I wrote my own dissasembly program and disassembled the rom.

      By reverese engineering it, I found how the various port worked (OUT and IN instruction).

      I then wrote my own assembler, and built my own games.

      I was 13 at that time.

      Btw, don't be surprised if there are bugs in the basic interpreter: it was written by bill gates himself (it is supposed to be the last software he wrote).

      And I think people made alternate ROMs for the model 100, and those fix the Y2K bug. I can look for them, if you want...

    3. Re:I still have mine by AlejoHausner · · Score: 1
      Mine's in the basement, and I haven't used it in years. I had a great time with it back in the 80s. Used it as a terminal to log in to local BBSs (remember those?), bought a floppy drive for it, and then bought a third-party software upgrade which improved the UI and the floppy access. I managed to write an assembler for it (it ran an 8085C, I think), and I spent days poring through the ROM, finding interesting functions, until I realized there was a hardware manual available.

      Lovely machine! The nicest keyboard feel on ANY machine, EVER! The Dell QuietKey I'm typing on now is clunky, loud, and stiff. The Model 100's keyboard is whisper quiet.

      I'm getting all teary-eyed.

    4. Re:I still have mine by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I bought mine when it first came out, still have it. I used it to take notes in college. The battery life was a bit of an issue, so I wired up a six volt lantern battery to it. Powered it for several months.

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  9. Still have one. by mac123 · · Score: 1

    I have an NEC PC-8201a (same as the model 100). It was a requirement for college at the time.

    I'd sell it, but have found that it is worth less than the cost of shipping.

    1. Re:Still have one. by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      Emphasize that it IS a Model 100, add links to confirm for the sceptical, and you should be able to move the machine at a profit. There is a resurgence in interest in the things.

      What I'd liek to see is an updated version. Keep the idea but use modern semiconductors to give it a useful storage capacity, a little more CPU power and a better display. But DO keep both Windows AND probably Linux off of it to keep the best attribute, instant boot and AA batteries.

      More than a "Word processor" less than a computer. Palm OS would be a perfect fit.

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    2. Re:Still have one. by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

      I had the same (my dad found it in a cupboard at his work at some point in the mid-nineties, and nobody either knew what it was or wanted it) - except the bloody thing died a few years ago. All it would do was display crap on the screen. I'm wondering if using a different, possibly-wrong-spec mains charger may have killed it.

      It was great fun to mess round with when it did work, of course - I wrote various games (enhanced with the extended-character-set editor program) and generally had good fun with it. This was despite having access to way more powerful computers at the time...

      The aim was to use it to construct some sort of robot, but I never got round to that. Using some sort of microcontroller effort could be a bit more sensible!

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    3. Re:Still have one. by cruff · · Score: 1

      Just add on the shipping as an additional charge. Someone will buy it.

    4. Re:Still have one. by kognate · · Score: 3, Informative

      What you are looking for then is the AlphaSmart Dana http://www.alphasmart.com/products/dana-w_In.html which is all of this and more.

    5. Re:Still have one. by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Throw a four AA-cell pack with a Nokia N810 into a package with a real (full travel) compact bluetooth keyboard, and you'd get most of what you want with almost no engineering expense.

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    6. Re:Still have one. by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I know just what you're looking for...

      http://www.alphasmart.com/products/dana-w_In.html

      Modern semiconductors? Check.
      Useful storage capacity? 16 MiB is useful for this class of device... Check.
      A little more CPU power? It's got a Motorola Dragonball, although I'm not sure of the clock speed... still, even if it's the slowest 16 MHz model, which I'm almost certain it isn't, that's better than a 2.4 MHz 8085. Check.
      A better display? 240x64 monochrome in the Model 100, 560x160 16 greyscale in the Dana. Check.
      Instant boot? Check.
      AA batteries? Check. And, it comes with a LiIon pack, rated for up to 25 hours, as well. Smooth.
      Palm OS? Check. (4.1.2, though.)

      Oh, and it's got one other feature that I've seen mentioned as desired in a Model 100 successor... optional WiFi. (Then again, WiFi is much less useful on Palm OS 4.x than it is on 5.x...)

      The only downside is, I've not heard great things about AlphaSmart's keyboards. Which is kinda sad, seeing as their original devices were meant to be... portable keyboards.

    7. Re:Still have one. by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > I know just what you're looking for...

      Looks interesting. But it does have a few obvious downsides after a few minutes of looking.

      1. It is bigger on two dimensions and about the same 2" depth vs a Model 100. After two decades I'd have expected a little improvement. :)

      2. The keyboard LOOKS like the weak link, your statement that this actually IS a problem just confirms that the most important attribute of the Model 100, the wonderful keyboard, isn't replicated here.

      3. No indication of battery life is given when using AA batteries, but since modern Li-ion rechargables have better energy density vs off the shelf AA Alkalines.... Again, it has been two decades and things like battery life are worse?

      4. $350 for the base model seems a little much for what you get. Yes it has a bigger screen than my ancient Visor but it is just as monochromatic. Seriously, take my old Visor, double the RAM to 16MB, give it a bigger display and bolt on a keyboard and you get this product. Paid $99 for the Visor years ago.

      For $350 you can get an Eeepc, smaller on all dimensions, similar chicklet keyboard but get a color screen and WiFi. Runtime is the only selling point for the AlphaSmart.

      If they could either drastically reduce the sticker price or get a kick ass keyboard on it they would have a winner in my book.

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    8. Re:Still have one. by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      To be fair, you are getting a ruggedized machine. AlphaSmart claims it can take a four foot drop without any damage...

      Also, I think another reason it's overpriced has to do with their main market - education. They do market it towards the M100's old market to an extent, but in the education market, they're really the only game in town, providing what they provide (extreme battery life + ruggedized machines for students.) I don't think the low volume helps, either - were it a high volume product, it could probably sell for $250, with OS 5, and color. (Monochrome does have its advantages for outdoor visibility, though.)

      And, I've heard people say that the keyboard's fine... I'd like to get my hands on one, but I don't see it happening. I suspect it'll feel like the average laptop's keyboard. Meh.

      I will note, though, that I've never typed on a M100.

    9. Re:Still have one. by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Educational market? Markup is 30-50% for commodities, closer to 70% for electronics. I doubt this cost them $180 to make/market back in 2004 or so when this was last week's cutting edge tech. Price is probably still $125 due to low avalibility of Palm OS parts, whereas the atom sells in the 10s of thousands.

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  10. celibacy required? by Quadraginta · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you can't do something better than they did 20 years ago, just don't even try, m'kay?

    Bad news for virgins, huh?

  11. Gates coding "skills" strike again... by kwabbles · · Score: 5, Funny

    From first page:

    "the Model 100 served as the portable computing workhorse of its day. Bill Gates' also ranks it as one of his favorite computers of all time, in large part because he and a friend wrote the firmware it uses."

    And then on the 4th page:
    "Peeking in from the left is the reset button, which the user needs from time to time due to a few pesky bugs in the ROM code, reminding us that even non-Windows systems can crash."

    Come on then. It's funny.

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  12. The eMate had a built in rechargeable battery by soft_guy · · Score: 1

    The eMate does not take AA batteries if I remember correctly. I could dig though my closet to find my emate to double check, but I really don't feel like it.

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    1. Re:The eMate had a built in rechargeable battery by harrkev · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, it does take a rechargable battery pack. Inside the sealed pack are AA nicads.

      I just disassembled the battery pack, and put brand-new AA NiMH batteries in there. Now, it gets a LOT longer life than it used to. The NiMH still self-discharges, though. I should have waited another year for Eneloop batteries to be invented.

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    2. Re:The eMate had a built in rechargeable battery by value_added · · Score: 1

      I could dig though my closet to find my emate to double check, but I really don't feel like it.

      LOL. Normally I'd try and write something pithy as a response to that gem, but fuck it. I don't feel like it either.

      Come to think of it, I think I'll go home early today.

  13. eMate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The eMate is powered by a rechargeable battery. It won't take AA batteries unless you modify it, including cutting up the case a bit.

  14. Had one since the early 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spent a lot of time making BASIC programs and trying to figure out how to work the modem. Battery life is phenomenal. Rumor is, some people still use them as primary notebook.

  15. Re:Eh (MOD FUNNY!) by Zaatxe · · Score: 0, Redundant

    HA HA! Fantastic! I wish I had mod points...

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  16. eMate was NOT powered by AAs by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

    The battery pack it used was made up of AAs but it was a rechargeable battery pack and NOT set up to take AAs alone like the 100 was. That being said I still think the eMate was the perfect OLPC computer.

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    1. Re:eMate was NOT powered by AAs by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agree - the emate was the perfect laptop in many ways and Apple - or someone - should bring back that form factor. But as far as the batteries go, you're right, but you can actually power the thing with regular AA batteries if you are willing to getyour hands dirty a bit.

    2. Re:eMate was NOT powered by AAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Ahhh, but the Messagepad 1X0, 2X00 line was able to be AA powered.

      57mA draw w/o backlight.

    3. Re:eMate was NOT powered by AAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Palm M105 has served me for many years, has a foldout keyboard, gets a month on AAA batteries, can get email and offline web pages, has a terminal, plays good games, has ebooks, is indestructbile, blah blah blah.

      Palm M105 FTW!

  17. what? no white model? by pha7boy · · Score: 3, Funny

    well, unless it comes out in all white, I'm not interested. I mean, how would I be able to look cool at the [local coffee shop]?

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    1. Re:what? no white model? by os9dude · · Score: 1

      These things are GREAT conversation starters. Not too long ago I hauled my M102 (slightly improved version of the 100) to Central Park in NYC; I wanted to type up some random thoughts over there for my blog but people kept stopping by to ask about the 'laptop' :-)

  18. Casio FX-702p by mangu · · Score: 1
    Those specs mean nothing to me. I still have a Casio FX-702p. Weight 190 grams, dimensions 17mm x 83mm x 168mm. Battery life: I'm not sure, about a few months with two CR2032 lithium batteries. Now for the downside: memory is 1680 bytes, 20 characters x one line alphanumeric display.


    But it's still working, 27 years after I bought it, doing exactly what it was meant to do. Funny but there are times when you don't need an upgrade for your technical gear...

    1. Re:Casio FX-702p by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      I still my HP-16C, bought on employee discount in 1983. I've changed the batteries, mmmm, maybe three times? It works every time I turn it on. Serial number 1024. :-)

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    2. Re:Casio FX-702p by akpoff · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sweet!

  19. Great design for a student machine by xlation · · Score: 1

    Great keyboard and the built-in software was nice.

    Sure, those were the days before wifi, but the built-in 300 baud modem was
    a great addition. I spent many hours curising BBSs back in the day. I could also
    dial into my schools vax, and even e-mail (fidonet) letters home.

    Probably the best part was you could put it in your book bag without dislocating your shoulder.

  20. ah, memories by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    one of my first jobs in life, in high school, consisted of going to the local town hall, typing up the records of the week's real estate transactions on the model 100, and then relaying it back to the local paper over a 300 bps modem (also self-contained, rather than needing those rubbery headset couplers i remember from the time)

    i remember marvelling at the time how high tech my job was! (that, and how many real estate transactions were made for a $1)

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    1. Re:ah, memories by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Oh, the 100 had the rubbery headset couplers -- I still have mine, along with the 100 -- but you could also direct-connect if you were lucky enough to find somewhere with a phone jack or handy with a screwdriver.

      I know quite a few of us 100 owners (that hung around on BIX at the time) rigged up cables with alligator clips so we could hook into hotel phone systems.

      (My classic story of using headset couplers pre-dates the 100 by a bit -- I had to use a TI Silent 700 portable terminal (hardcopy, it used thermal paper!) to login to check a job, from a pay phone in the lobby of this little motel we were staying at in Maine (no room phones) for a weekend of diving. My boss hadn't wanted me to leave town but I convinced him I could handle any issues by phone. Got a few odd looks from people wondering why I had the phone handset stuck to a typewriter.)

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  21. Poqet PC? by WarrenLong · · Score: 1

    What about the Poqet PC? XT Clone about the size of a VHS tape. (See the wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poqet_PC). I wanted one badly. Still think it would be handy.

    1. Re:Poqet PC? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      The HP 200LX is more common, and is easier to find on the used market...

  22. I still use mine by jridley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have 3 of them, picked up a couple of spares off eBay for $30 total.

    I use them to take minutes at meetings. I used to have a PC laptop but since all I used it for was to take minutes, I gave it to my brother who actually needed it. The Model 100 performs minute-taking just fine. Also I can touch type on it better than on a newer laptop keyboard.

    The Model 100 was a MAINSTAY of journalists at the time; since it ran for many hours on AA batteries which you could get anywhere, even in small towns in foreign countries, and it had a built-in modem and a very portable acoustic coupler that would work with any phone you could find. I bet the majority of remote print reporting for several years was typed in the field on a Model 100.

    1. Re:I still use mine by Finitistic · · Score: 1

      my Dad, a sportswriter, used to use a Model 100, and later Model 200 (bigger screen) to cover the Red Sox - he'd upload to the newspaper via the built-in 300 baud modem - those dreaded 'cups' for connecting to the phone didn't work too well when there was a lot of crowd noise but many phones at the time (early 80's) still were hardwired into the wall so you couldn't use the modular plug...i wrote a program for him in BASIC and Z-80 (i think?) machine code to compute the length of stories in newspaper column inches...i think he still has both machines - he used to carry the Model 200 along as a backup even after he got a 'modern' laptop...

    2. Re:I still use mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you transfer those minutes now? (or do you)

      I collect vintage computers anyway and have been meaning to pick one of these up for a while, but it would be neat to actually use data typed on it, without having to do something like print out to a dot matrix and then OCR or something like that.

    3. Re:I still use mine by jridley · · Score: 2, Informative

      null modem cable. The Model 100 has a terminal program built in and will stream a text file from its memory out the line. Use a terminal program on the PC side to capture, just takes a minute. 1200 baud seems like it would be painful but even a lot of notes transfers in less than a minute.

  23. Absolutely the best... by crumbz · · Score: 1

    ... for taking notes. Text only, no distractions (such as the web), print out on 9-pin dot matrix printers. Only thing better is an old Underwood....

  24. Mine was stolen 5 years ago :( by everphilski · · Score: 1

    Mine was stolen in an airport 5 years ago, sadly. I got it at a flea market for ~$3. It was fun to play with although I didn't use it seriously in college by any means.

    Damn thieves! Went on eBay to look for a replacement and it was too expensive for me at the time.

    1. Re:Mine was stolen 5 years ago :( by Chainsaw76 · · Score: 1

      I may have tossed mine, but if I still have it, and you have a need/desire you are welcome to it for the cost of shipping. (not an open offer, just the guy that had his stolen)

      After these were discontinued, I sold 100 of these in a week. I was working at Radio Shack, and a company used them as portable serial terminals (w/ custom roms), bought every one of them in the District.

      -J

    2. Re:Mine was stolen 5 years ago :( by everphilski · · Score: 1

      Think I'm past it but appreciate the offer man :) I have a C64 and a MC-10 rotting in the closet. But it was sorely missed at the time ...

  25. eMate batteries by cangrande · · Score: 2, Informative

    While the eMate did use rechargable AA's, they were soldered together in a little heatshrink pack. So while they are a common size, it's not like you could pop them out and stick more in easily. Still, the battery pack is much easier to rebuild than something like a Powerbook battery from the same era, which often had 4/5 AA's soldered together with various safety components inside a sealed hard plastic case that was impossible to get apart and back together without some major hassles.

    The Newton 2000 and 2100, on the other hand, had an optional removable battery pack that took standard AA's.

    Those Newtons are remarkable machines and are amazingly useful for being more ten years old now.

    Too bad they got discontinued, but the form factor of the eMate was the inspiration for the original clamshell iBooks.

  26. Oh, first "Popular" portable by LMacG · · Score: 1

    Sure, but what about the Epson HX-20, circa 1981? I didn't actually own one, but I got to borrow one from a guy who was using them to run CNC machines.

    And does anybody else have a Convergent Technologies WorkSlate? I should see if I can get that baby to fire up . . .

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    1. Re:Oh, first "Popular" portable by dafdaf · · Score: 1

      True. True.

      'The later, more popular TRS-80 Model 100 line, designed by Kyocera, owed much to the design of the HX-20.' (From the HX-20 wikipedia page)

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  27. I still have mine... by belligerent0001 · · Score: 1

    and it works too!!! Now if only I had a set of acoustic couplers (mine died many moons ago). I could go to a pay phone and can call a BBS at either 110 or 300 baud!!! Does anyone still run BBS's? Maybe I should see if I can find some of my old software, I might need to borrow a 5 1/4 drive though.... This might be fun!!!

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    1. Re:I still have mine... by Chainsaw76 · · Score: 1

      Tandy 100, Acoustic Coupler, and a courtesy phone an ATM.... Could call BBSs around the country... Ahh the '80s.

      Kids these days and their cell phones, and their intertubes.. GET OFF MY LAWN!

      -J

    2. Re:I still have mine... by belligerent0001 · · Score: 1

      what's the statute of limitation on dumpster diving for credit card carbons? I never did such a heinous and illegal act, but I know a couple of fellows how did. Just curious.....anyone know?

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  28. Ahh, the 80s by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

    I worked at Denning Mobile Robotics, and we had a bunch of them. They had a printer port, modem, and RS232.

    We used them as portable RS232 terminals!! They were cheaper than Wyse terminals and far more portable. They were awesome devices. I often wonder why simple devices can't be created to do a job efficiently and reliably. I guess, with no stable computing standards, they would become obsolete too quickly.

    The EeePC was close, but now that it has gone Windows, that device is on the upgrade treadmill as well.

    1. Re:Ahh, the 80s by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaSmart is pretty purpose-built.

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  29. Re:It's like a 3 lb CASIO watch. by MacTO · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Time for a writing competition. Let's see who's out of the running first: you on a fancy laptop because your battery died, or me on a 100 because I ran out of memory. :)

  30. Like my current Gaming rig!!!! by rodrosenberg · · Score: 0

    http://www.modshop.net/users/rodrosenberg/rig/trash80 oh and it was built from a dead trash80

    1. Re:Like my current Gaming rig!!!! by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      While that is very cool, the TRS-80 Model 100/102/200 are almost a completely different line from the Model III. Different processors (although, the Z80 and the 8085 aren't that different, and are somewhat binary compatible,) even. One won't run software written for the other.

    2. Re:Like my current Gaming rig!!!! by rodrosenberg · · Score: 0

      very true and very obvious.......plus mine runs windows XP!!

  31. If only... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

    I've been going on about this for years.

    I want a note book with 40hr batter life. In days of yore I used a psion with a full keyboard and small LCD. Great battery life.

    I have all the components except I need a screen. I'm looking for a either a 1024x768 or 80x24/25 character lcd. B+W is OK. It must have low power drain. Preferrably 14" at least. Where do I find such a beast?

    I would have a low power CPU (arm), 4GB SSD, 1GB RAM, screen, clicky keyboard. All bashed into a cutom CNC cut case. Running off 4 C or D cells.

    Currently I have an emate but it's days are numbered.

    1. Re:If only... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      E-ink is going to be your best bet for low power consumption... cost is going to be the issue there, though.

      The Kindle has a 4-greyscale, 800x600 6" display... not anywhere near your size target... but it could display 80x25 (80x25 in the PC character set is 720x350, using the MDA specification. 640x480 displays can readily display it, though.)

    2. Re:If only... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

      I have a Sony Reader and eink is just wrong for a notebook. Refresh rate is just not there.

      Old School LCD is what I'm looking for but nobody seems to have a decent size 80x25 screen. I don't think any 1024x768 grey screens were made.

  32. Re:It's like a 3 lb CASIO watch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's not from 1995, you idiot. And they were awesome for their time, heavily used by journalists in particular. Christ, I hate how stupid children have infected Slashdot.

  33. AlphaSmart's Dana (wireless) by Dr.Altaica · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Dana and Dana wireless uses 3 AA batteries.

    160x560 graphical screen runs PalmOS v4.1

    Appently still avalible for $350.

    To bad Access doesn't suport v4.1 anymore so you can't get the SDK anymore.

  34. I have the model 102 by the_rajah · · Score: 1

    It's almost identical, but has more RAM. I recently put it to very good use by loaning it to a friend who had a vocal cord infection and was told not to talk (or sing) for 2 months. She's a great typist so it became her notepad for communicating to others. She loves it.

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  35. Fond Memories! by Ian.Waring · · Score: 1

    I recall Scott Oki (International VP of Microsoft at the time) keying meeting notes into one of these things in May 1983 - around the same time Bill Gates was demo'ing a thing called Windows on a Compaq Plus sewing machine to us. Could still use one of these things today... Ian W.

    1. Re:Fond Memories! by TheNucleon · · Score: 1
      Makes sense. Some of Bill Gates final programming work was developing the Model 100 firmware.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100_line

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  36. Does anyone still have a 1000 Series Tandy? by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

    I'm trying to "modernize" my 1000 TL Series Tandy so it can talk on my all Linux network. I've currently outfitted it with a 256 K ISA VGA Card, and I'm trying to get a cheap 8-bit ISA IDE Hard disk card to replace the crummy XT Western Digital Whinchester Drive in it.

    1. Re:Does anyone still have a 1000 Series Tandy? by spacefrog · · Score: 1

      There was a standard for 8-bit IDE that was different from 16-bit IDE, so even finding an "IDE card" will likely yield you something of no value.

      In addition, most 8-bit ISA hard disk controllers *in general* do not work properly on Tandy 1000-series hardware. The big exception to that rule is SCSI. Most 8-bit SCSI controllers work fantastic in 1000's, and will let you hook up all matter of toys. Most of the 8-bit SCSI controllers you will find do not have boot ROMs, though, so you may be stuck with floppy booting.

      Get functional ethernet, though, and the hard drive question is largely moot. One with a boot ROM may or may not work properly, but would be a nice avenue. Otherwise, I imagine you can get enough on a floppy to boot freedos and mount a network share as c:. I'm sure 10Mbit Ethernet can saturate that bus, so it's not like a local hdd is going to be any faster.

    2. Re:Does anyone still have a 1000 Series Tandy? by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

      It has a hard drive now. But I need to find out how to install a High Density floppy drive on it.

  37. Not a laptop by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What wouldn't you give for a laptop that starts instantly, weighs 3 pounds and gets 20 hours of battery life?

    I'd give a lot for that, but this wasn't it. This is more accurately described as a PDA that fits on your lap. What it did, it did well (for the time), but it was very limited. And modern PDAs get a lot more than 20 hours of battery life.

    In other words, if you want a modern Model 100, get a PDA with one of those fold-up keyboards and go to town. Instant-on, long battery life, and destroys the Model 100 in usefulness.

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    1. Re:Not a laptop by aduthie · · Score: 1

      I think you're supposed to make an argument here.

      It's not a PDA because: It lacks a calendar (although you could write one for it). It lacks a contact database (although you could write one for it). You can write software for it without using another computer. It has a full-size keyboard. It doesn't fit in your pocket, even if you get a Steve Jobs special shirt with extra-large pocket.

      So, why is it not a laptop? It did most of what any contemporary computer did at that time, and it fit on your lap comfortably. If someone built a laptop today that was lightweight and consumed very little power, but it was only as good as a 5-year-old computer, would you say it's not a laptop? Because that's basically what Tandy accomplished with the Model 100. (Actually it was probably more like 1-2 years behind state of the art personal computers of the day.)

      Or maybe you're hung up because you think the article is talking about this being a replacement for modern laptops -- that would be a very ludicrous thing for anyone to suggest, but I suppose we've gotten crazier articles than that before.

    2. Re:Not a laptop by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      You know, I can write software for my Palm OS device without using another computer, or even having hotsynced it ever.

      Pippy is Python for Palm OS, and I think there's some BASIC implementations or something out there...

  38. HP 200LX palmtop by scsirob · · Score: 1

    I still use a trusty old HP 200LX, which sports a graphics shell, MS-DOS, 2MB RAM which serves part as disk, and it too runs on AA batteries.

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    To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
  39. Alphasmart Dana by Rogue+Haggis+Landing · · Score: 1
    The closest current machine is probably the Alphasmart Dana, with a small boxy monochrome display and the same nearly-flat form-factor. The Dana isn't quite instant on, but it's close, and it really does get ~20 hours on a battery charge. It's also used mostly by people wanting mainly a word processing device, but it does run the Palm OS. It's also almost all keyboard, with a really nice big Qwerty setup. It would also be a great reporter's machine.

    My older Alphasmart 2000 was just a typing machine, but as such it was amazing. It got, I don't know, hundreds and hundreds of hours of battery life from 3 AAs. I was always shocked when the batteries died, once every eight or ten months.

  40. Re:It's like a 3 lb CASIO watch. by Applekid · · Score: 1

    A 3 lb. weight on your wrist is awesome when you want to work out your... uh, non-dominant hand.

    Er, wait, nevermind I said that.

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    More Twoson than Cupertino
  41. Best. eBay Acquisition. Ever. by phillymjs · · Score: 1

    I have one of these as part of my "classic computer" collection, and it was the best eBay find I ever got. For something like a hundred bucks I got a Model 100 in near mint condition, with a faux-leather carrying case that was in such good condition it still had the cardboard insert from the packaging in it, a boxed cassette recorder, some software on cassette (remember the good old days when software came with a leather-bound binder containing printed instructions?), all the hardware and software manuals, and a few other items.

    Everything is in simply amazing condition for its age, and works great except for the Y2K issue (for which I understand the Model 100 users groups have a fix).

  42. I have the 102 and love it by noidentity · · Score: 1

    I got the Model 102 about 15 years ago and have gotten lots of use out of it. At first, I used it for BASIC programming (all I knew at the time). Later, I wrote several assemblers in BASIC and learned 8085 machine coding with it. I figured out how to do graphics much faster than the built-in firmware does, allowing full-screen scrolling graphics, and lightning-fast text scrolling using the LCD driver's built-in line scrolling commands. This was also my introduction to interfacing hardware. I hooked many things to it, like a sound chip, NES, and later used it as general-purpose I/O for programming a PIC and NES and SNES battery RAM. At some point I also wrote an emulator so I could run my old BASIC programs on my PC. I had even wired up 32K of RAM that could replace the ROM, allowing me to change the font used in the firmware. I still have it on my workbench, connected via RS-232 to my PC.

  43. Where does the swipe card cracker plug in? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Where does the swipe card cracker plug in? Like the ones seen in T2

    1. Re:Where does the swipe card cracker plug in? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      That was an Atari Portfolio. I had one of those - great stuff. It ran DOS and had a great keyboard.

  44. If you write for a living by jalefkowit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... the Model 100 is kinda the definition of the perfect portable:

    • Insane battery life on bog-standard AA batteries you can buy in any airport gift shop
    • Full size keyboard for easy typing
    • Screen you can read in sunlight
    • Case tough enough to take a serious beating without a flinch

    Sure, it doesn't have the bells and whistles the kids are into like "color" or "graphics", but in a portable for writers none of that is really important -- which is why many journalists held on to their Model 100s long after they became ludicrously obsolete.

    With the demise of products like the Psion Series 5 (another writer's portable), the niche that the Model 100 pioneered has basically been abandoned; the only thing close to it today is the EEE PC, which would be an ideal spiritual successor to the hardy 100 if the keyboard wasn't so danged small...

    1. Re:If you write for a living by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Well, if you just want the writing features, there's a few "portable keyboards"/portable word processors out there... I think the best known is the AlphaSmart. There's also the CalcuScribe, the Laser PC6, and some other options.

      Most of them are meant for special education use, so they're ruggedized. They have monochrome screens (good for outdoor use,) full-size (although usually laptop-derived) keyboards, and stupid long battery life - so long that they make an M100 look like an absolute pig. I think the worst in the class is somewhere around 100 hours.

  45. Psion Series 3a by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of the Psion Series 3a palmtop, which is almost 15 years old now.

      It had a great usable keyboard for its size (similar to a glasses case) and a big clear greyscale 480x160 screen.
      In terms of runtime, it would run for around 20 hours on a pair of AA's, with negliable standby power, ct1620 button-cell memory backup and instant-on giving literaly weeks of reliable operation between battery changes.
      It ran rock-solid custom-made PDA software (agenda, word processor, timezons, the usual stuff), and included a programming language/editor/parser for coding.
      Amazingly for its time, you could even surf the internet on it (albeit slowly) since a complete TCP stack and webbrowser were available for the later versions, connecting via the serial port on it. I used to run a usable full 80x24 terminal emulator connection over a 9600bps cellphone link on my one - oldschool pocket internet before the days of wifi.

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    1. Re:Psion Series 3a by British · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of the Zeos pocket PC I still have, from 1991. The dang thing is so old the type 1 PCMCIA cards have data rot in them. I remember being on IRC with it in '94(using the 9600 baud modem, size of a cig pack) & playing Gauntlet with it.

  46. Wrong! by seandiggity · · Score: 2, Funny

    You can have wireless, you just have to try harder.

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  47. I had one new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bought one new with a coupon I had gotten from AT&T. Used the computer for memo-writing and spreadsheets for about four years (including pricing out several real estate deals). Unit had the best keyboard feel of any computer I've ever used. There even was a magazine (Portable 100) devoted to the unit, with ads for prop-up feet, plexiglass covers, disk drives, memory, software, etc.

  48. Tandy/Sharp PC-2 by GottliebPins · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My friend had a Model 100 and I was so jealous. That thing rocked! But I still have my TRS-80 PC-2 pocket computer. It's so easy to use. It's better than a calculator. You can type out entire formulas then if you make a mistake you can hit the back button and see the whole formula and fix whatever you did wrong. I use it every year come tax time. For such a small display you can address every pixel if you want to draw something or make a simple game and it has a speaker you can play music on. I also have the cassette/printer interface. The printer isn't a dot matrix but pen plotter. That was cool to watch it print reports or draw graphs. The paper goes up and down and the pens go side to side. That memory on it lasts for weeks on 4 AA batteries. Sometimes simple is better.

  49. Still in use in the field by freeweed · · Score: 1

    Durable as all hell, power lasts a long time (and spare batteries easy to carry), and a good old fashioned serial interface.

    We still use them to interface with SCADA gear out in the field. You're not going to want to haul a regular laptop into some of those areas.

    And yes, I've been trying to pilfer one ever since I discovered that they were still in use :)

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  50. Model 100 Webserver by huskerdoo · · Score: 1

    Back in 2001 when I built humanclock.com, I threw this in as a joke:

    http://www.humanclock.com/webserver.php

    It caused quite a tizzy on Slashdot though. Funny how a lot of the Slashdot comments revolved around a page that I spent an hour on, while the rest of the site (something I spent a few hundred hours building) was ignored.

  51. Useful portable device by Animats · · Score: 1

    My horse veterinarian used to use one of those. She had a PC running UNIX back at her office, and used the portable to connect to it from her truck.

  52. Couple of mistakes/missed points by pdawson · · Score: 1

    The first M100's came with a whopping 8k of RAM/Storage, not 24k. I know, I have one. Used it all through High School for taking notes in class (can't write fast enough), and again through college. Just plug in the serial cable and upload to PC at the end of the day. Although by college I'd upgraded it to 32k via the wonderful Club100 site that still sells parts/addons/programs for it (http://www.club100.org).

    It also gave me my start in programming via hand-keying games from a book into it, and learning how to adapt those programs to fit into 8k RAM I was stuck with then.

  53. modern PDAs just getting worse by flahwho · · Score: 1

    I've used many, many PDA's for over 10 years now, starting with a timex @ ~200k then on to a Palm IIIx(e), and eventually a Windows Mobile device and a Blackberry, too. What are you talking about battery life being better than 20 hours on modern PDA's?? I can say by experiences with all of the devices I've used (I used to sell them via retail, too and most of the other varieties are the same) that battery life of modern PDA's are much much less than 20 hours. This is primarily fueled by the need to make them smaller, and (you say useful, I say) bloated with features. Stronger processors, more storage, quicker storage access, beautiful backlit color screens, rich audio, network connectivity and multiple I/Os coupled with TEEENNY TINY batteries! I get about 2.5 hours of Pocket Word with backlight on low and nothing else running. How's that for progress?
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  54. This was a great machine it its day! by dkavanagh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a Model 100 and the thinner Model 102. I used the 100 in college in the late 80's to take notes in class, and even wrote an alarm clock program that woke me up in the mornings! I did a little hack so that it would charge ni-cads from the ac adaptor (not a standard feature). I have the floppy drive, bar code reader, modem cups, etc... It had a very well integrated operating system. one of the better things microsoft has done IMHO.

  55. Re:It's like a 3 lb CASIO watch. by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

    Kids these days, what do they know? Get off my lawn!

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  56. Still in Production Use by wsanders · · Score: 1

    I volunteer as a race official at some bike and running races. One of the guys who does the chip timing for some of these races still uses them as data loggers. He has a whole trunk full of spares he picks up at garage sales.

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  57. T1000 by flahwho · · Score: 1

    He had the ribbon cable soldered somewhere on the Motherboard... although now that you mention it, I've been trying to locate John Conner . He's not in trouble, I just want to ask him a few questions.
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  58. I remember these by slapout · · Score: 1

    I remember in Jr. High when a friend of mine brought one of these to school. It was old even then, but still pretty cool.

    Nowadays, it kinda makes me miss my Psion Series 5.

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  59. Memory Lane by matt_martin · · Score: 1

    Wrote all of my high school papers on one of these back in the 80's.
    It was a TANK: heavy, nothing could hurt it, always worked, ports for everything (at that time).
    Almost wish I had one today...

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  60. Re:It's like a 3 lb CASIO watch. by treeves · · Score: 1

    I'm wearing a 3 lb Casio (Pathfinder) watch I got about three years ago, you insensitive clod!

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  61. TFA was written to be DISPLAYED on a TRS-80 by HiVizDiver · · Score: 1

    16 pages, one paragraph per page. Tried finding an "print" link or something like that, but I couldn't. I don't read PC World, maybe this is common for them. At least there's one photo per page as well.

  62. Mmmm, nerd porn by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    Go check out the pics.

    "Cleft Asunder

    Only four screws separated me from the inside of the 100, which splits conveniently into two sections."

  63. Why not standardize batteries for mobile devices? by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    I understand that standard AAs will not cut it for today's devices.

    But why must every laptop and mobile device have a special battery developed just for it? Could it not be narrowed down to about 10 different standardized rechargeable batteries?

  64. Dumped the ROM, wrote an assembler/linker by DorkLensman · · Score: 1

    I had way too much fun with Mod100s and the NEC version ... even dumped the ROM out through a dissassembler I wrote. I wonder if I still have that 3-ring binder? Then I wrote an assember/linker and with it, an easily-crackable encryption program. Sigh ...

  65. Still have the NEC PC-8201a by jpellino · · Score: 1

    Which was the non-Radio Shack version. I try and remove or hide the RadioShack or Tandy logos on anything I have to buy there... so buying the NEC was easier. And it was a little more slanted. Bought it to write a book on schedule, which got me a time bonus that paid for it. Still works. Haven't transferred text from it since the serial mac days. We also have 2 Mod100s around here somewhere. At this point the amazing part of the comparison is that they cost as much as my iBookG4 and does as much as an AlphaSmart (if you're not a BASIC programmer...)

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  66. My first love! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Oh I use to gaze at this lovely behind glass before I had a PC of my own.

  67. Ah, the good ole BASIC fun by geek_by_default · · Score: 1

    10 CLS 20 ?"What is your name?" 30 Input Name$ 40 CLS 50 Name$ " is cool!"; 60 Goto 50

  68. Atari by camperdave · · Score: 1

    That was an Atari Portfolio.

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  69. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not quite the `850 series Model 101`.

  70. Re:Why not standardize batteries for mobile device by British · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could it not be narrowed down to about 10 different standardized rechargeable batteries?

    But that would mean numerous companies could make the one battery type that covers numerous laptops, thus increasing competition and lowering price. Sadly, that means your favorite PC mfg couldn't gouge you for replacement batteries.

    And that's why it won't happen.

  71. Contains Last Code Written By bill Gates by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I bought one of these in 1980 and it still works perfectly. What made it so amazing was that it had the BASIC programming language included with the ablity to create sound, a modem and other goodies. The OS for this device was reputed to have been the last piece of software that Bill Gates himself wrote. The user's manual was incredibly badly written--with page references to non-existent sections, etc. The manual was also reputed to be Bill's first book.

    1. Re:Contains Last Code Written By bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The user's manual was incredibly badly written--with page references to non-existent sections, etc. Oh come on. That's not badly written, that's just very funny! muahahhahaha

  72. Memories....we will enjoy them! by UttBuggly · · Score: 1

    I went to work at a Radio Shack Computer Center in 1982. Worked with some crazy guys I should write a book about. We made a lot of money selling "Trash 80's".

    When the Model 100 came out, most of us were managing our own stores. Being the boss(es), we took one with us to our bowling league and ran a score keeping application we wrote in BASIC. Actually drew the sheet on the display, player at a time, in turn order.

    The dumbest thing about late leagues is waiting for both teams to do "gazintas" and sign the score sheets. We were out the door as soon as we got our shoes changed. Teams that bowled against us thought we were giant geeks, but loved leaving early. And, we got a lot of sales from word of mouth and passersby asking "what is that?"

    I loved that machine. The 300 baud modem actually worked...most of the time. The price out the door for most customers was well over $1000 for one of these puppies. The 8KB model rarely sold; we always moved the customer up to the capacious 24KB, with genuine leatherette slipcase, various dongles, wires, and of course...BATTERIES! We're freakin' Radio Shack, you can't leave without BATTERIES!!

    Sorry...Tandy flashback.

    Increasing the meds tomorrow.

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  73. I learned to program by presidentbeef · · Score: 3, Interesting

    on one of these that my uncle gave me. Pretty much changed my life.

    What this article really failed to mention was the software side. You could program anything on the computer in BASIC and the LCD screen made it easy to create and position graphics (no need to worry about resolution - each pixel is always in exactly the same place and precisely the same number characters will always fit on the screen.) Made for years of writing games and applications on that thing. This is really something the "laptops for kids" people should be thinking about.

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  74. Arrow keys by morcheeba · · Score: 1

    I was going to mod you up, but then I saw where they put the arrow keys -- smaller buttons, all in a line (not in a WASD-type shape), above the backspace key. They're also missing |\{} and have [] on the same key, but to be fair, my Apple II only had one of these keys ( ] = shift-M... not marked on the keyboard... don't ask... there were no lower case letters) and lacked up/down arrows. But, I have to give them props for putting the "GRPH" and "CODE" keys in the right place.

  75. Some are still being used today by bill_kress · · Score: 1

    or at least were a few years ago. I didn't RTFA so I hope this isn't duplicated info, but next time you go to an older self-storage building (the kind with a keypad to open the gate), look to see what they use to program your new personal code into open the gate.

    Last time I checked, they were model 100's. They have decent connectivity and are pretty easy to program. They have parallel and serial, and a nice enough display to do solve most problems that need solving.

    The control relay made a really decent single-bit output.

    The memory rarely goes away (almost never unless I was screwing around).

    A really awesome little device for its time.

    I'd love to see something similar today. A general system with a few input sensors and output relays, both analog and digital. No predefined purpose--just general hardware control that's fully programmable. Portable enough, but not "Pocket". Full keyboard. Amazingly cheap (would be now). Maybe even no OS to speak of--just throw Ruby or a JVM on there and call it good.

    All I'd add is a few meg of ram, wireless network connection and a display the same size but with a resolution closer to that of a gameboy.

    Considering the cost of it's features against those of a bottom of the line laptop, it should cost $50-80 each.

  76. gray scale LCD is the key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    color LCDs take tons of power compared to B/W LCDs but only the OLPC folks seem to know this. Remeber when Palm Pilot handhelds lasted for 6 weeks on 2 batteries and then hardly made it for 2 weeks when color screens were the norm?

    If the multimode OLPC display scaqles to the larger size of the normal laptop, batteries could last more than 2x longer.

  77. Been one of my favorites for over two decades by DoctorPepper · · Score: 1

    I bought my first Model 100 in 1984. I took it on a Med cruise when I was in the Navy, and powered it for the full six and a half months off of one 6 volt lantern battery, which I kept in the pocket of my coat. I used to keep all sorts of notes on that little device.

    I made the mistake of giving it away to the son of a friend of mine, back in the very late 1980's. I had pined away for that little computer for many years, then I ran across Rick Hanson and the club100 website. I bought a reconditioned one from him (which I still have and use), and I've also collected another Model 100, a Model 102 and a Model 200. These may be limited computers, but you can still get a surprising amount of work done with one!

    This time I refuse to ever part with my Model T's! ;-)

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  78. Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer T800 Modell 101...

  79. The BOFH was originally written on one of these... by rincebrain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Simon Travaglia originally scored a TRS-80 out of a bin at the university he worked for at the time, and he wrote out a few articles of the Striped Irregular Bucket. Within that bloody machine came the character of the BOFH, and the rest...is something.

    http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard8.html

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  80. My first was a portable too: Sharp PC-1402 by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    I still have it's successor, the Sharp PC-1403H. It has an uptime of 200+ hours on one set of batteries. It's from the 80s and I still have yet to see a computer that can beat that.

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  81. The Cambridge Z88 by Alioth · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the late 1980s, Clive Sinclair brought out a new computer, the Cambridge Z88. It can run for 20 hours on its AA batteries, and has a suite of useful productivity software. The LCD is also quite a bit larger, and it has a built in BASIC interpreter (BBC BASIC) and a built in Z80 assembler!

    1. Re:The Cambridge Z88 by dafdaf · · Score: 1

      Yeah. That one came out 1988.
      But the Epson made the HX-20 in 1981 and the TRS-80 100 was launched 1983. That's quite some time when we're talking about computers.
      Anyway - I've never used one but heard that the Z88 was very popular and could be very easily expanded. I'm actually thinking of getting a HX-20. - My Sharp PC-1261 is fun to program but the 'keyboard' is not made for typing.

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    2. Re:The Cambridge Z88 by jhoger · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Z88 LCD is half the height but higher resolution.

      Nice machine. One drawback versus the M100 is that it has a capactitor instead of a NiCd for maintaining the RAM disk. It seems like it wouldn't matter but in practice it is a huge issue.

    3. Re:The Cambridge Z88 by DMoylan · · Score: 1

      i remember them. would have loved one when they came out but too poor :-( just a little checking and i can see that they are still been sold and maintained. not bad for a 20 year old piece of hardware.

      http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/z88.html

      there was also the amstrad nc100 launched in 92.

      http://www.ncus.org.uk/intro.htm

      i got one of these for a friend through an end of line sale. at a time when laptops cost way over £1000 she was able to work remotely as she did a lot of typing for a publishing company.

    4. Re:The Cambridge Z88 by Richard+Fairhurst · · Score: 1

      Beautiful machines.

      Amstrad produced a very similar machine around the same time, called the NC100. It too had BBC Basic, but added a really very competent text editor/word-processor - Protext, as used on the Amstrad CPC - and superb battery life. I kept using one well into the late 90s until the screen cracked.

      Looking at the Dana Wireless machine cited earlier, it's all right... but a deal bigger than a Z88 or NC100. I barely want function keys on my desktop machine, let alone on a lightweight throwing laptop.

    5. Re:The Cambridge Z88 by jhoger · · Score: 1

      You can replace the screen on the NC100 with the screen on a Tandy WP-2. It's a drop-in replacement. This can be helpful because the WP-2's are usually =$14 on EBay.

      For myself though, I can't stand the NC100's keyboard. It's really stiff.

  82. Best Laptop Keyboard Ever!! by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    If you ever get a chance to try one--try it. Everything you know about laptop keyboard may be wrong. I wish I had a desktop keyboard as good. I wish I even knew who made it.

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  83. teknosapien by teknosapien · · Score: 1

    Guess its time to break that old Trash 80 out of the closet! I'd completely forgotten about it. Nice thing about mine was it came complete with an Acoustic coupled modem that transmitted at a whopping 300 Baud

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  84. Amen, Brother. Testify! by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    ...the Model 100's keyboard, more than any other feature, guaranteed the machine's success. The Model 100's designers had the incredible good sense to include an impressive 56-key full-stroke typewriter keyboard in a reasonable, un-cramped size and with a layout that "just feels right."

    I have a 100 that I used extensively. For a pure writing machine, I can't think of anything better. Seriously. I can take it anywhere and pour text into it fast and easy. Getting the text out isn't quite as easy but it was never too awfully bad.

    I'd pay $500 for a clone (well, a physical interface clone) of the 100 or 102 that boots to a command line in linux and lets me run vi. Add some sort of wireless connectivity and a few gigs of flash to hold data and I'd be in heaven. Lots of writers who can do everything on their smart phones except type would also be in heaven. The physical interface of a typing device simply can't be overemphasized. The feel of a keyboard, the convenience of the device, the "rightness" of the way it feels, the ability of the machine to step aside and never impede the creative process are all things that the M100 got so completely, sublimely right.

    A successful writing instrument can't be shrunk to EEE size. (I have one and it's wonderful but it's not a writers tool.) It can't be made out of a PDA connected to some flimsy little fold-up keyboard. (Those things are a bad joke.) It can't irritate the writer with little chiclet keys that float a half-millimeter above some ill-defined point of contact. It can't be designed with style in mind. It simply has to work, to meld with muscle and skin and bone to become a transparent portal for the codification of creative thought.

    The 100/102 nailed it. Nothing since then has come close.

    Mine sits 10 feet from where I lay my head at night. I may just fire it up this evening for nostalgias sake.

  85. Noise and Braces by alcmaeon · · Score: 2, Informative

    When we used those TRS-80 Model 100 computers back in the day, the keyboards were too noisy for taking notes in class, so we popped the keys and placed those little rubber bands for orthodontic braces over the posts, put the keys back on and the keyboard was virtually silent.

  86. Love my model T by rsayers · · Score: 1

    I've had one of these for about 10 years now. One year we lost power due to a hurricane but somehow still had phone service. I got to experience the internet at 300bps for close to a week before power was restored. Thankfully my isp had a termcap entry for the thing. I use an eeepc as my primary machine now, it certainly has a similar feel. Small, rugged, gets the job done, and begs to be tinkered with.

  87. TRS-80 still in use as recently as 4 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As recently as 3 or 4 years ago, Nickels & Dimes, Inc, the company behind the TiLT arcade chain was still using the TRS-80 in ALL of their stores for weekly collection and uploading to the home office.

  88. Aussie nickname by snoggeramus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    In Australia, we gave it the local name of "Trash 80". No idea why.

  89. first truly popular portable? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I thought the epson HX20 came first? And i know it was available here in the US as i almost bought one.

    But i guess 'popular' is a relative term.

    The 102 was better then the 100 :)

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  90. Re:Why not standardize batteries for mobile device by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Sadly, that means your favorite PC mfg couldn't gouge you for replacement batteries.

    Actually, I think most people just get a new laptop. Since, the high cost of new battery can hardly be justified if the laptop is over three years old.

    I just think it's a shame that so many mobile devices are retired before their time.
  91. HP 200LX was the better "little laptop" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The HP 200LX was a great machine. It was the size of a checkbook got 15-20 hours of life on a pair of AA cells, ran Dos 5.0, WordPerfect, Windows 3.0 (dos mode), Word, Excel, Quatro, 1-2-3, Foxpro and about a thousand other apps. It even had a proper serial port so you can jack into cisco router consoles.

    1. Re:HP 200LX was the better "little laptop" by jhoger · · Score: 1

      Well the LX series is nice but the small calculator key style make them unsuitable for word processing.

      Great for for running Derive though (DOS symbolic algebra program).

  92. No journalists like we once had. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Back when news agencies actually had lots of journalists in the field, such a device was indeed well loved. --I used to live in a building where a couple of old timer news scribes lived, and they told me their stories and lamented the state of journalism today; that for all intents and purposes, it's dead. I just watched Bill O's little tirade against McClellan, where he complained, "Well, if the Whitehouse and the British government and the New York Times was telling me that there were WMD's, then what was I supposed to believe?" (sic) It's one of those times when you wish you could jump in and point out the obvious. "You're a JOURNALIST! It's your JOB to go find out what to believe. It's your JOB to find out the truth, not to parrot press-releases from people we know are liars and idiots, or to simply repeat what other news agencies are saying!" I find it hard to believe that anybody could be so incredibly far gone as to ask such an infantile and embarrassing question while on air and not even realize how foolish they appear by doing so.

    I have a theory, and it's not a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy implies conscious intent, and intent requires awareness which such jokers, and indeed many regular people simply don't posses. That theory goes like this. . .

    The state of communications technology is mirrored by public awareness. --That is, the more aware people are, the more likely it is that they'll have at their disposal tools like the Model 100 with which to communicate. Over the last decade, the portable writing tools available to us have been seriously limited. Small, awkward keyboards and small, awkward screens represent a very choked up conduit for thought. We've made huge gains in terms of connectivity in the other direction, through distributed 'experience', but that's about telling people what to think rather than giving people the ability to report on their own thoughts and experiences in a useful manner. (A cell phone conversation is not a good way to get an article to press, or to update your blog).

    When you're out in the field and you want to express your findings and thoughts to the world, the available devices became next to worthless despite the fact that we are capable of making stunningly effective and easily affordable machines using today's technology. The Iraq war and the public perception of it is an excellent example of the mirror. People were very, very ignorant, wanting information served to them, (like poor Bill O'), and invested very little into actually trying to divine the truth for themselves. The communication devices broadly available mirrored that head-space perfectly. i.e., there weren't any.

    But things are changing! Many more people today DO want to find out the truth for themselves; they are becoming increasingly fed up with the nonsense fluff offered up by the traditional channels. And just look at the mirror. . . We've got a slew of new portable devices coming down the pike.

    The Asus eee 1000 has a 10" screen, a full laptop keyboard and the new Atom chip offering up 7 hours of battery life. And it's around the same size, if not smaller, (and certainly lighter), than the Model 100. All for $550, half the price of the original Model 100 of yore.

    While I do like a text-only machine for strict writing, the shape of knowledge collection and dissemination today has grown to include the internet. Today, real journalism requires access to the web in a meaningful way. You need to be able to check facts and current events, compare notes with your peers, and update your blog or whatever from the field, and now you can. The Model 100 was an excellent conduit for knowledge in a time when knowledge itself was less robust. The light was dimmer, had less octane. My opinion, and please remember that this is an OPINION, is

  93. 386 powered by D-cells by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    I met one 386 laptop powered by D-cells. This was back during the time before laptops moved their hinges totally to the rear. The best thing about it was you could replace the stock cell with those radio shack extra life D cells and actually get close to 4 hours. Not as good as the model 100 by any measure, but ultra practical.

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    1. Re:386 powered by D-cells by jhoger · · Score: 1

      The NEC 8500 is a great machine... runs on 4 C cell batteries. Haven't measured the battery life but I'm pretty sure it's more than 7 hours.

      Menu interface like the Model 100, but full screen 80x24 display, runs CP/M, all-RAM 64K mode that can run Pascal, C compilers, etc.

      Great machine.

  94. Omnibook 300 was the best for writers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 100 was good in its time, but the original Omnibook 300 beat it hands down. HP calculator build quality, great keyboard, much larger display, built in Word, 3 lbs, could run on double AAs, and a 9 hour battery life with the optional flash drive.

    Plus a functional PIM, Excel, terminal and more in ROM. And the sleep mode worked!

    Carried one for 5 years until software bloat forced its retirement. The new Mac Book Air is the next best thing.

  95. Re:Why not standardize batteries for mobile device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is what they file as intellectual property.

  96. WhoTF modded this offtopic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously it was some mod that wasn't even in diapers when the Trash-80 was all the rage. Heck he probably wasn't even born yet. Anyway, we called it the Trash-80 here in the States too, so you're not alone.