This isn't the corporate droid^H^Hne you're looking for.
There is no business side.
This is no America, nor do I plan to move there. Ever.
Looking at your government and your way of life makes me feel free, albeit poor.
You may, of course, disagree, but I highly doubt you'll be able to convince me otherwise; I already got foed once for these views and do not wish to discuss them to a great extent.
I may stay and work in my university.
I may start a private school some ten or twenty years from now.
I may work as a translator or interpreter.
But I highly doubt I'll ever work in a corporate culture. I'm not cut for that.
Students in my college are mostly preparing to work in schools, libraries, archives, museums etc. - it's that kind of Information Science.
Real Computer Science, however, entails way too much Electrical Engineering, so I dropped out of that college.
It doesn't mean we cannot be dissatisfied with the crap we're being taught... OK, so some people do need to be taught the most basic things, for most people here have never seen a computer before coming to college, but it frustrates the rest of us. We're here to learn as well.
None of us will probably learn all the things I numbered; we'll each learn one or two or three we're most interested in. And teach others who are interested. Or become interested.
Didn't know there was anyone who thought the book was good, let alone awesome... people everywhere bash it so rightfully and so unanymously...
I'd actually thought the movie couldn't be worse than the book, especially in the infamous Croatian translation... but from the sound of it, maybe they put Croatian translators to work on the movie.
That's <font face=.., size=..,> - and the person teaching us doesn't even know the difference between size="x" and pointsize="xpt". He claims size="x" is point size, and the fact that Firefox renders size="22" just the same as size="7" is obviously a Firefox bug.
When I explained the difference between the attributes (it took cca. 5 seconds to look up, as it is obsolete), he got confused for a second, then got back to his previous stand. And so it is all Firefox's fault.
Yes, as obsolete as it gets - and people who were computer illiterate to begin with will profit from this none whatsoever.
Do not equate your 3rd world curriculum with that in the US. The courses you list would best be described as Information Science Lite.
*shrug*
The courses I listed are just a part of our curriculum, but it's the part that irks us the most.
And we do not compare to the US curriculum for we do not know it; we compare to our neighbouring EE&CS college... so while I may be in error, you are definitely nitpicking.
Most of the stuff you listed is completely irrelevant to our studies.
One of my... well, in the USA I guess would be called majors in college... is Information Science, which we students describe as a kind of Computer Science Lite. Nothing like the hard work people in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science put in, anyway. However, people here are being taught about several kinds of computer literacy:
Using Windows XP and MS Office, i.e. Word, Excel, PowerPoint. And Internet Explorer, gods help us, although our college oficially endorses Firefox.
Basic programming. In Pascal.
Basic HTML. Only HTML. Done in Notepad. including the <FONT> tag and all its options. At least there's Notepad++ for us who know that it's there.
Basic active webpage design. In ASP.NET. In that crappy MS Visual Web Developer Thingy 2005, using VB.NET, if I understood correctly. Anyway, crappy program, crappy language, crappily taught.
Some advanced text processing, which is, as far as I can tell, some advanced functions of MS Word (I'm a freshman, and this is a sophomore course, so I only know what they tell me).
Some database work in junior and senior years.
I haven't heard mention of any kind of specialised library, museum or any related software, although there should be.
Anyway, that's why we're starting a club which may well, depending on the interest, develop into an informal parallel study. There are enough of us who know enough about many different areas and who are willing to learn more. So we plan to:
give courses on several programming languages:
Scheme or Lisp and Prolog (very handy for NLP)
PHP and Python
supplemental courses in Pascal and Basic.
organise a Build Your Own Computer workshop, for we find the fact that some of our fellow students have to pay someone to upgrade their RAM scandalous.
teach proper (LaTeX) typesetting (that's if I find enough time to learn it myself - any good on-line manuals you can reccomend?)
get people to know different operating systems - at least Windows and Linux, Mac OS X if we can get our hands on it, Solaris if we have time; make them aware of multiplatform software and open formats.
teach proper webpage design - (X)HTML + CSS and then move up.
We're sure we'll get more ideas in time... but I meant this to show at least some of the differences in our views on computer literacy as compared to most of our teachers'. On the other hand, we can expect some of the other kind of teachers to join our courses, so not everything is lost in advance.
Frankly, though, I would really love a completely modular system... not just in the kernel, but in the userland as well...
For instance, no more huge, clumsy office suites... but rather sets of tiny programs, each performing a tiny function and completely optional...
I'm allowed to dream, right?
If I had 'nuff mod points
If I could find a way
I'd mod up those words that you've posted
And you'd stay
If I had 'nuff mod points
I'd give them all to you
And you'd love me, love me, like you used to do
I'm more afraid that the governments of the world will learn to like the technology... if everyone can be happy just via stimulation of certain parts of brain, no-one will ever oppose the government...
It looks like you're trying to play a game!
However, your room needs cleaning and your dishes need washing first.
And why don't you go out and play with other kids instead of being closed in your room with nothing but a computer?
Off you go now!
Slashdot Mirror
When the robot starts showing the other sign, with only the middle finger raised, then we should start worrying.
Hey... I think I'll have to change my .sig...
This isn't the corporate droid^H^Hne you're looking for.
There is no business side.
This is no America, nor do I plan to move there. Ever.
Looking at your government and your way of life makes me feel free, albeit poor.
You may, of course, disagree, but I highly doubt you'll be able to convince me otherwise; I already got foed once for these views and do not wish to discuss them to a great extent.
I may stay and work in my university.
I may start a private school some ten or twenty years from now.
I may work as a translator or interpreter.
But I highly doubt I'll ever work in a corporate culture. I'm not cut for that.
Students in my college are mostly preparing to work in schools, libraries, archives, museums etc. - it's that kind of Information Science.
Real Computer Science, however, entails way too much Electrical Engineering, so I dropped out of that college.
It doesn't mean we cannot be dissatisfied with the crap we're being taught... OK, so some people do need to be taught the most basic things, for most people here have never seen a computer before coming to college, but it frustrates the rest of us. We're here to learn as well.
None of us will probably learn all the things I numbered; we'll each learn one or two or three we're most interested in. And teach others who are interested. Or become interested.
... that this wasn't moderated Flamebait.
Didn't know there was anyone who thought the book was good, let alone awesome... people everywhere bash it so rightfully and so unanymously...
I'd actually thought the movie couldn't be worse than the book, especially in the infamous Croatian translation... but from the sound of it, maybe they put Croatian translators to work on the movie.
So in European Union, YOU reverse "in Soviet Russia" jokes!
Wait a sec, something just doesn't seem right...
That's <font face=.., size=..,> - and the person teaching us doesn't even know the difference between size="x" and pointsize="xpt". He claims size="x" is point size, and the fact that Firefox renders size="22" just the same as size="7" is obviously a Firefox bug.
When I explained the difference between the attributes (it took cca. 5 seconds to look up, as it is obsolete), he got confused for a second, then got back to his previous stand. And so it is all Firefox's fault.
Yes, as obsolete as it gets - and people who were computer illiterate to begin with will profit from this none whatsoever.
*shrug*
The courses I listed are just a part of our curriculum, but it's the part that irks us the most.
And we do not compare to the US curriculum for we do not know it; we compare to our neighbouring EE&CS college... so while I may be in error, you are definitely nitpicking.
Most of the stuff you listed is completely irrelevant to our studies.
Do you really need to ask? Do we really need to guess?
One of my... well, in the USA I guess would be called majors in college... is Information Science, which we students describe as a kind of Computer Science Lite. Nothing like the hard work people in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science put in, anyway. However, people here are being taught about several kinds of computer literacy:
At least there's Notepad++ for us who know that it's there.
Anyway, that's why we're starting a club which may well, depending on the interest, develop into an informal parallel study. There are enough of us who know enough about many different areas and who are willing to learn more. So we plan to:
We're sure we'll get more ideas in time... but I meant this to show at least some of the differences in our views on computer literacy as compared to most of our teachers'. On the other hand, we can expect some of the other kind of teachers to join our courses, so not everything is lost in advance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Wallace_(plain tiff)
Frankly, I was expecting a plain TIFF image of the donkeyhole.
Yes, I found that the summary and TFA have little to nothing in common as well...
So I won't be at fault if I tag this article as 'blackmail, intimidation, racketeering'?
At least it is taking forever.
Alas, I repeat myself. And many others.
Frankly, though, I would really love a completely modular system... not just in the kernel, but in the userland as well...
For instance, no more huge, clumsy office suites... but rather sets of tiny programs, each performing a tiny function and completely optional...
I'm allowed to dream, right?
Well, I hear that GNU/HURD is in the making...
Aal Yoour Deveelopers Aare Beelong Too Uus?
If I had 'nuff mod points
If I could find a way
I'd mod up those words that you've posted
And you'd stay
If I had 'nuff mod points
I'd give them all to you
And you'd love me, love me, like you used to do
Higher education vs. government decisions... I do wonder who's in the right.
Sorry, I don't normally count ACs.
Most of the others probably got the joke.
Actually, what I don't understand is this phrasing of "the other end of the support line".
C'mon, people, this is Slashdot. This is our end of the support line.
Seriously, I was expecting something about the users' point of view...
Yes... and what extra limitations on FAT32 can we expect in Vista?
That doesn't sound like government.
That sounds like the Church.
I'm more afraid that the governments of the world will learn to like the technology... if everyone can be happy just via stimulation of certain parts of brain, no-one will ever oppose the government...
Tinfoil helmet off, happy helmet on...
Not that soon, I think... but eventually it might.
Right now, too many too powerful have too much to lose should the status quo change.
After Vigor, I don't think there's any kind of Clippy that can surprise me.
*Clippy*
It looks like you're trying to play a game!
However, your room needs cleaning and your dishes need washing first.
And why don't you go out and play with other kids instead of being closed in your room with nothing but a computer?
Off you go now!