few companies have the manpower/skill to create a dynamic (animation-friendly) design/development environment targeted at web *designers*
This is true - there are some IDEs but they are mostly targeted to SVG in the mobile space. This is looking like it's starting to change though.
Canvas is a much simpler and smaller standard
True. Another way of saying this is "SVG is more powerful";). See: DOM integration, event handling, linking, styling, fonts, filters. As with everything you have to pick the right technology for what you need.
Browsers that integrate Canvas usually implement it in its entirety"
Nope, see Canvas text API or talk to the Bespin guys.
It really depends where they are in the release cycle. Currently Minefield is stable enough because they are at Firefox 3.1 Beta 2. Months ago, that was not the case. Once Firefox 3.1 is released, that will also not be the case...
Metaphorically's point still stands: Minefield is not a new browser, it simply a nightly build of the Firefox 3.1 codebase and as such, hasn't had the stability testing that the betas and release candidates and even the alphas get.
I recommend immediately that $700B be transferred to the browser companies to fix this problem. Furthermore, we must transfer this money by end of the week with no strings attached.
I also note that this namespace behavior change also allows inline XAML within HTML. How convenient for Microsoft.
Renesis is an effort to develop a browser plugin for SVG. It's still not on par with ASV (only Opera and Batik really beat ASV's SVG support). Anyway, as with most plugins, the concept is to give away the plugin and sell the content-generation tools (SVG editor, etc). I'm still waiting to hear more from examotion on Renesis... sometime in 1Q08 supposedly.
The scenario they seem to be enabling for SVG is inline SVG with HTML content (not XHTML). This means that you can install the Adobe SVG Viewer and have it render the inline SVG within the HTML page. Unfortunately it seems like there may be some implementation issues with it (possibly preventing the xlink namespace within the SVG). See the now-available whitepaper and the discussion here
Does anyone else find it odd that Bill Gates didn't know this? I'd like to hear (off the record) from Molly on whether she believes him. Putting my tinfoil hat aside for a minute, it just seems obvious that the silence, which has engendered so much hatred and negativity from the development community, must surely be a part of some type of strategy. And shouldn't Bill be aware of that strategy?
Even if they haven't committed on certain features or levels of compliancy, this surely does not mean complete silence. Disappointment about delivery of features can be expected, but usually it's tempered with some amount of understanding in the face of transparency and intentions.
So to me, the silence is a strategy. The choices are:
- they're not planning on implementing the standards that people expect (CSS, DOM, SVG, XHTML) so they want to avoid fact-based criticism for as long as possible. The longer they wait, the more people may fall in love with Silverlight? - they're planning on implementing standards and they want to surprise the hell out of the developers (to have them come rushing and gushing back to the fold).
Ok, so I'm foolishly hoping it's the latter strategy (I've heard they do have a new layout engine they're working on). But the longer they wait, the more people will expect.
It must be fairly obvious to them by now that most developers realize just how far behind standards compliancy IE is. Seriously, they are the _ONLY_ major browser out there with: its own DOM, its own event handling, its own vector graphics (VML/Silverlight) and woefully behind CSS implementation. EVERY other browser gives a shot at supporting SVG - where are they with that? They haven't even TOUCHED the spec yet!
I agree that it seems like you'd spend most of your time removing false positives. I'm not totally adverse to the idea, but like a lot of people posting I just don't see how it could be done effectively - maybe that means I'm getting old...
Programming is different than languages that we use to speak - vocabulary and style are nearly unbounded, abbreviations are common-place, etc. You can make up the words as you go along...
Is "refererr" a spelling mistake? Maybe it refers to some error? Maybe they were trying for "referrer"?
What about "Srvc"? "Servc"? "Servce"?
What about "funcy" ? Is it a function pointer or the word "fancy" or the word "funky" ? Does "funCy" make a difference?
To get this anywhere near effective, it seems like you'd have to impose some restrictions on style and variable naming, and yes - I consider that restriction a bad thing.
The underlying rendering engine is completely being changed in this release, plus there are several big features (Places, Offline Storage, etc). I see no problem with bumping it up by 1.0 every major release.
I think the problem with the test suite is that it simply does not provide enough coverage for all the SVG features and their interaction. And as for networking support, that's a SVG 1.2 only feature, so it's not a problem with the 1.1 test suite.
I think you're missing the point that OpenLaszlo is not about Flash, it's about Rich Internet Applications on any suitable platform. Flash is the most mature, widely deployed platform so currently LZX applications are targeted for SWF. Later this year, LZX will allow you to compile to DHTML applications.
Why is this a good thing? Well, if I'm a Linux user and I don't have a Flash 8 plugin for my browser, suddenly I can use your application.
Perhaps you missed the part about OpenLaszlo compiling to DHTML applications (target for end of this year) as well as Flash. Again, Laszlo is not about Flash, it's about Rich Internet Applications defined in XML and JavaScript. It just so happens that Flash is the most mature platform at the moment.
My computer screen has 1600x1200 pixels. 100 million pixels would be 52 of these screens. Let's say there are 4 walls - that's 8 screens per wall...big deal:P
Let me get out my check book...
I plan to leave my kids copies of my film collection in digital format, mostly some old/rare stuff that's not available except via private collector trade. I've got most of it burnt to my hard drive and I back them up once a year to DVD-Rs (until something better comes along). If I keep it up and maintain the rigor, they'll be able to pass the stuff on to their kids...
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Was it just me, or did the two demos from Insomniac seem a little... underwhelming? I don't know, but I was expecting something more than a standard FPS and the speaker just seemed a little too geeked out about being able to shoot different types of weapons...
Anyway, I thought the keynote was pretty good - it shows where Sony expects to expand its revenue streams, and the ideas behind Sony Networking platform seem like a good idea to me, though there were no details on how third party game servers will be able to offer their services (i.e. will they have to pay some type of monthly fee to be on the "Sony open internet" ?
Set up a Smart Bookmark in Firefox. Create a bookmark for http://local.google.com/ then right-click it and make its keyword "gm". Now go to the address bar and type "gm"...
"I wouldn't bother if I had to read 10 newspapers to get "good" national news in one, international news in another, sports in yet another so on and so forth."
That's because you'd have to pay for them those newspapers, gather them together and leaf through the interesting bits.
If you're interested in big mainstream media items, then subscribe to Google News or CNN or whatever as someone suggested. If you're interested in many different niche areas like a lot of us (say web development, Linux news, console gaming, etc), then you'd do much better to grow your feeds "organically" because no one news source will fulfill all your needs, not even slashdot.
With feeds and blog searching getting better you can set up the feeds you like and browse them at your disposal for (more or less) free. Often these feeds might lead to other interesting feed - click and add it to your ever-growing collection of feeds. Getting tired of long-windedness of a particular author? A particular blogger hasn't published in awhile? Prune it from your collection of feeds. In fact, I make sure I prune every week or two and I prune aggressively. If a blog picks up steam again, I'll eventually "discover" it again through my other adjacent blog sources...
Just think of an individual feed as an ongoing series of articles from a particular reporter. The feed aggregator is the newspaper that collects them together.
And no newsprint on your fingers...just carpal tunnel syndrome...
You call yourself a web developer, yet you are clueless about what functionality IE7 will have (when it has been freely made available in the IE Blog)?
Call me "old school" but there's something great about having the box with its manual, its cloth map, its artwork, etc. Sometimes digital representations of these things are not as satisfying as physical ones.
And that's kind of the point sometimes. When they first introduced graphics in HTML browsers, I think there were probably people like you who said: Fix bugs, don't introduce new features that we don't need! Sometimes you don't know what things will really catch on, sometimes you have to introduce new features (like BitTorrent, widgets, SVG, canvas, web feeds) to push the web forward.
No offense, I'm just saying you might need to broaden your perspective.
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True. Same goes for Canvas.
This is true - there are some IDEs but they are mostly targeted to SVG in the mobile space. This is looking like it's starting to change though.
True. Another way of saying this is "SVG is more powerful" ;). See: DOM integration, event handling, linking, styling, fonts, filters. As with everything you have to pick the right technology for what you need.
Nope, see Canvas text API or talk to the Bespin guys.
It really depends where they are in the release cycle. Currently Minefield is stable enough because they are at Firefox 3.1 Beta 2. Months ago, that was not the case. Once Firefox 3.1 is released, that will also not be the case...
Metaphorically's point still stands: Minefield is not a new browser, it simply a nightly build of the Firefox 3.1 codebase and as such, hasn't had the stability testing that the betas and release candidates and even the alphas get.
I recommend immediately that $700B be transferred to the browser companies to fix this problem. Furthermore, we must transfer this money by end of the week with no strings attached.
HTML5 has and and the tag is not going anywhere.
Yes, all browsers except IE now support XHTML+SVG inline. Regards, Jeff
I also note that this namespace behavior change also allows inline XAML within HTML. How convenient for Microsoft. Renesis is an effort to develop a browser plugin for SVG. It's still not on par with ASV (only Opera and Batik really beat ASV's SVG support). Anyway, as with most plugins, the concept is to give away the plugin and sell the content-generation tools (SVG editor, etc). I'm still waiting to hear more from examotion on Renesis... sometime in 1Q08 supposedly.
The scenario they seem to be enabling for SVG is inline SVG with HTML content (not XHTML). This means that you can install the Adobe SVG Viewer and have it render the inline SVG within the HTML page. Unfortunately it seems like there may be some implementation issues with it (possibly preventing the xlink namespace within the SVG). See the now-available whitepaper and the discussion here
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Does anyone else find it odd that Bill Gates didn't know this? I'd like to hear (off the record) from Molly on whether she believes him. Putting my tinfoil hat aside for a minute, it just seems obvious that the silence, which has engendered so much hatred and negativity from the development community, must surely be a part of some type of strategy. And shouldn't Bill be aware of that strategy?
Even if they haven't committed on certain features or levels of compliancy, this surely does not mean complete silence. Disappointment about delivery of features can be expected, but usually it's tempered with some amount of understanding in the face of transparency and intentions.
So to me, the silence is a strategy. The choices are:
- they're not planning on implementing the standards that people expect (CSS, DOM, SVG, XHTML) so they want to avoid fact-based criticism for as long as possible. The longer they wait, the more people may fall in love with Silverlight?
- they're planning on implementing standards and they want to surprise the hell out of the developers (to have them come rushing and gushing back to the fold).
Ok, so I'm foolishly hoping it's the latter strategy (I've heard they do have a new layout engine they're working on). But the longer they wait, the more people will expect.
It must be fairly obvious to them by now that most developers realize just how far behind standards compliancy IE is. Seriously, they are the _ONLY_ major browser out there with: its own DOM, its own event handling, its own vector graphics (VML/Silverlight) and woefully behind CSS implementation. EVERY other browser gives a shot at supporting SVG - where are they with that? They haven't even TOUCHED the spec yet!
I agree that it seems like you'd spend most of your time removing false positives. I'm not totally adverse to the idea, but like a lot of people posting I just don't see how it could be done effectively - maybe that means I'm getting old...
Programming is different than languages that we use to speak - vocabulary and style are nearly unbounded, abbreviations are common-place, etc. You can make up the words as you go along...
Is "refererr" a spelling mistake? Maybe it refers to some error? Maybe they were trying for "referrer"?
What about "Srvc"? "Servc"? "Servce"?
What about "funcy" ? Is it a function pointer or the word "fancy" or the word "funky" ? Does "funCy" make a difference?
To get this anywhere near effective, it seems like you'd have to impose some restrictions on style and variable naming, and yes - I consider that restriction a bad thing.
The underlying rendering engine is completely being changed in this release, plus there are several big features (Places, Offline Storage, etc). I see no problem with bumping it up by 1.0 every major release.
You should also check out http://www.latenightpc.com/blog/archives/category/ asterisk/ for a couple of tips on how to set up an Asterisk box with VOIP gateway...
> now that Adobe has pulled out of SVG development
Adobe Labs still has some stake in SVG.
> its safe to say that SVG has no future outside of the tiny community of inkscape users.
All major browser manufacturers have plans for SVG at the moment, even IE has plans to eventually include SVG.
> the majority of SVG content on the web being experimental projects
Yeah, those experimental projects like Google Maps and Microsoft Live Local and Dojo...
And for those who cite that SVG is "bloated" because it's XML, maybe you haven't heard of something called "compression"...
I think the problem with the test suite is that it simply does not provide enough coverage for all the SVG features and their interaction. And as for networking support, that's a SVG 1.2 only feature, so it's not a problem with the 1.1 test suite.
I think you're missing the point that OpenLaszlo is not about Flash, it's about Rich Internet Applications on any suitable platform. Flash is the most mature, widely deployed platform so currently LZX applications are targeted for SWF. Later this year, LZX will allow you to compile to DHTML applications.
Why is this a good thing? Well, if I'm a Linux user and I don't have a Flash 8 plugin for my browser, suddenly I can use your application.
Perhaps you missed the part about OpenLaszlo compiling to DHTML applications (target for end of this year) as well as Flash. Again, Laszlo is not about Flash, it's about Rich Internet Applications defined in XML and JavaScript. It just so happens that Flash is the most mature platform at the moment.
My computer screen has 1600x1200 pixels. 100 million pixels would be 52 of these screens. Let's say there are 4 walls - that's 8 screens per wall...big deal :P
Let me get out my check book...
I plan to leave my kids copies of my film collection in digital format, mostly some old/rare stuff that's not available except via private collector trade. I've got most of it burnt to my hard drive and I back them up once a year to DVD-Rs (until something better comes along). If I keep it up and maintain the rigor, they'll be able to pass the stuff on to their kids...
Was it just me, or did the two demos from Insomniac seem a little ... underwhelming? I don't know, but I was expecting something more than a standard FPS and the speaker just seemed a little too geeked out about being able to shoot different types of weapons...
Anyway, I thought the keynote was pretty good - it shows where Sony expects to expand its revenue streams, and the ideas behind Sony Networking platform seem like a good idea to me, though there were no details on how third party game servers will be able to offer their services (i.e. will they have to pay some type of monthly fee to be on the "Sony open internet" ?
Set up a Smart Bookmark in Firefox. Create a bookmark for http://local.google.com/ then right-click it and make its keyword "gm". Now go to the address bar and type "gm"...
"I wouldn't bother if I had to read 10 newspapers to get "good" national news in one, international news in another, sports in yet another so on and so forth."
That's because you'd have to pay for them those newspapers, gather them together and leaf through the interesting bits.
If you're interested in big mainstream media items, then subscribe to Google News or CNN or whatever as someone suggested. If you're interested in many different niche areas like a lot of us (say web development, Linux news, console gaming, etc), then you'd do much better to grow your feeds "organically" because no one news source will fulfill all your needs, not even slashdot.
With feeds and blog searching getting better you can set up the feeds you like and browse them at your disposal for (more or less) free. Often these feeds might lead to other interesting feed - click and add it to your ever-growing collection of feeds. Getting tired of long-windedness of a particular author? A particular blogger hasn't published in awhile? Prune it from your collection of feeds. In fact, I make sure I prune every week or two and I prune aggressively. If a blog picks up steam again, I'll eventually "discover" it again through my other adjacent blog sources...
Just think of an individual feed as an ongoing series of articles from a particular reporter. The feed aggregator is the newspaper that collects them together.
And no newsprint on your fingers...just carpal tunnel syndrome...
CSS, simple? BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH! ahem...
You call yourself a web developer, yet you are clueless about what functionality IE7 will have (when it has been freely made available in the IE Blog)?
IE7 supports native JavaScript XMLHttpRequest.
IE7 supports transparent PNGs.
Call me "old school" but there's something great about having the box with its manual, its cloth map, its artwork, etc. Sometimes digital representations of these things are not as satisfying as physical ones.
And that's kind of the point sometimes. When they first introduced graphics in HTML browsers, I think there were probably people like you who said: Fix bugs, don't introduce new features that we don't need! Sometimes you don't know what things will really catch on, sometimes you have to introduce new features (like BitTorrent, widgets, SVG, canvas, web feeds) to push the web forward.
No offense, I'm just saying you might need to broaden your perspective.