Windows Mobile has a whole bunch of phones from a variety of companies but that is not helping it, Windows Phone 7 might fail similarly . Your iFanboy attempt to downplay Android's success fails miserably.
And even then, Android devices outselling iPhones should be expected because the latter is only sold on one carrier in the US and comprises of just 'one' product from one manufacturer.
I don't see how this should be expected. Windows Mobile runs on all carriers but is soundly being beaten. And Windows Phone 7 will run on all carriers too. Does that mean it is automatically expected that it will outsell the iPhone? The fanboy logic trying to downplay the successes of Android breaks down .
What makes you think they're using Flash. Only the demo video is in Flash, the implementation will most likely be Silverlight(new version of Bing Maps already uses it). Also, the only way to develop apps for Windows Phone 7 is through Silverlight(XNA for games), so I don't they're abandoning it anytime soon. Far from it, they're pushing it more.
Someone here got accused of confirmation bias for doubting the study.
by gyrogeerloose (849181) Alter Relationship on Saturday July 24, @06:08PM (#33016628)
Who did they ask? People inside of Apple's campus.. You've got to be kidding me.
Got to love it--some research challenges your preconceived notions so, of course, the only thing to do is reconsider said notions, right?
Wrong. Better to disparage the research than admit they might have been incorrect.
Come on, parent is not a troll. (Score:3, Insightful) by Abcd1234 (188840) Alter Relationship on Saturday July 24, @06:17PM (#33016700) Homepage
In fact, he nailed it spot on. The GP doesn't like the conclusions of the study, so he just assumes the study or the researchers are wrong. It's an excellent illustration of confirmation bias (or, in this case, its inverse).
Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?
If Coke were to give their employees free Coke just to increase their own market share and make their product look like it was doing better, then that would also be a cynical move.
And logged-in users speak the Gospel truth right? Anyways
Many people maintain two phones, one for business use and one for personal use. If they don't want to, then they can hand it to a family member or friend. Or maybe it'll lie in a desk drawer unused. I don't see a reason for all the vitriol directed at them for this.
Things never change at Slashdot. The summary is needlessly incendiary and posters just jump the shark on the strawman without regards to reality. Or maybe it's karma whoring for mod points, but it usually works on here.
Apple supplies iPhones to employees and Google did the same with Nexus one:
And who the hell talked about "success" in giving phones to employees and where did you get the news about job reviews and employees being forced to give up iPhones?
This may sound good, but it is a pain when it comes to using laptops that come with a glossy finish, making it impossible to work unless you are doing it in the dark.
This might result in the big Xbox/Windows developer base "easily" porting from Xbox, or simultaneously developing Xbox, Windows and Phone 7 games... a big plus compared to the Objective C and Java hurdles that iPhones and Android development creates.
And integrate with Xbox/Kinect somehow... use it as an additional controller or to navigate menus on Xbox?
3)Tighter Windows 7 Integration.. hopefully develop cool features such as controlling the phone from the PC, using it as an additional alert display etc etc.
4) Leverage the huge.NET/C#/VB.NET developer/Third parties base to develop applications.
An uphill battle for sure... but I won't count MS out yet. After all, they have inscribed "Developers, Developers, DEVELOPERS!" on the side of the free phone prototypes that they're handing out to developers.
Will be a hard pill for Apple to swallow after the hyped up outlandish claims about the new antenna design
"People have asked, 'What's this?' Some have even said, 'This doesn't seem like Apple.' What are these lines in this beautiful stainless steel band?
Well, it turns out there's not just one of them, there's three of them. And they are part of the entire structure of this phone. That stainless steel band that runs around is the primary structural element of the phone, and there are these three slits in it.
It turns out this is part of some brilliant engineering, which actually uses the stainless steel band as part of the antenna system. And so, one piece is Bluetooth, wifi, and GPS, and the other is UMTS and GSM. So it's got these integrated antennas right in the structure of the phone.
It's never been done before and it's really cool engineering."
Will be really hard to acknowledge a defect after all that hype.
From the same review(that you Apple fanbois conveniently leave out while cherrypicking other parts):
The main downside to the iPhone 4 is the obvious lapse in Apple's engineering judgment. The fact that Apple didn't have the foresight to coat the stainless steel antenna band with even a fraction of an ounce worth of non-conductive material either tells us that Apple doesn't care or that it simply doesn't test thoroughly enough. The latter is a message we've seen a few times before with OS X issues, the iPhone 4 simply reinforces it. At the bare minimum Apple should give away its bumper case with every iPhone 4 sold. The best scenario is for Apple to coat the antenna and replace all existing phones with a revised model.The ideal situation is very costly for Apple but it is the right thing to do. Plus it's not like Apple doesn't have the resources to take care of its customers.
Summary says a majority have a problem with it which seems to be accurate based on the calculations above. Only problem is that you conveniently forgot to mention the 11% having a major problem in your faith based post.
Looks like you're the faith based fanboy in Apple's cult which can believe it can do no wrong. Accusing others of it while being of the Apple faith yourself is rich though.
Exact procedures AppleCare reps must follow when dealing with any reception complaints regarding the iPhone 4.:
1. Keep all of the positioning statements in the BN handy – your tone when delivering this information is important.
a. The iPhone 4’s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. Our testing shows that iPhone 4’s overall antenna performance is better than iPhone 3GS.
b. Gripping almost any mobile phone in certain places will reduce its reception. This is true of the iPhone 4, the iPhone 3GS, and many other phones we have tested. It is a fact of life in the wireless world.
c. If you are experiencing this on your iPhone 3GS, avoid covering the bottom-right side with your hand.
d. If you are experiencing this on your iPhone 4, avoid covering the black strip in the lower-left corner of the metal band.
e. The use of a case or Bumper that is made out of rubber or plastic may improve wireless performance by keeping your hand from directly covering these areas.
2. Do not perform warranty service. Use the positioning above for any customer questions or concerns.
3. Don’t forget YOU STILL NEED to probe and troubleshoot. If a customer calls about their reception while the phone is sitting on a table (not being held) it is not the metal band.
4. ONLY escalate if the issue exists when the phone is not held AND you cannot resolve it.
5. We ARE NOT appeasing customers with free bumpers – DON’T promise a free bumper to customers.
"Mozilla has not posted detailed release notes yet, but there seem to be no major changes from Firefox 3.7a6-pre, with the exception that the browser is running more smoothly and with fewer crashes."
I love software that doesn't swap UIs every major release!
Except that the UI was indeed swapped. It got a more Chrome/Opera look now.
That's some nice eye candy. But will Firefox stay relevant? Chrome is coming up fast and Mozilla seems to be stagnating. It sad to be in a state where your only source of income is your competitor.
From an earlier post of mine:
Mozilla corporation seems to be pretty badly run. They solicited donations for the NYT ad(some of my poor college friends scraped together money for it) while overpaying the CEO($500K per year)! The management was supposed to find different ways of getting funding but Mozilla is still dependent totally on Google(which competes with it's own rival browser). Mozilla made $66 million in revenue just in 2006 while development was largely done by unpaid volunteers.
In the meantime, Firefox was quite bloated, crash prone and lost the speed race to Chrome, Thunderbird stagnated and nothing really innovative or useful came out of Mozilla labs. Ubuntu will probably switch to Chromium and Firefox will start losing search revenue. . Probably the only thing going for Firefox are extensions(Chrome supports extensions now) and proper Adblock. Things are so bad that the CEO is planning to step down
Sad to see one of the epitomes of FOSS go down in flames like this.
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Windows Mobile has a whole bunch of phones from a variety of companies but that is not helping it, Windows Phone 7 might fail similarly . Your iFanboy attempt to downplay Android's success fails miserably.
And even then, Android devices outselling iPhones should be expected because the latter is only sold on one carrier in the US and comprises of just 'one' product from one manufacturer.
I don't see how this should be expected. Windows Mobile runs on all carriers but is soundly being beaten. And Windows Phone 7 will run on all carriers too. Does that mean it is automatically expected that it will outsell the iPhone? The fanboy logic trying to downplay the successes of Android breaks down .
What makes you think they're using Flash. Only the demo video is in Flash, the implementation will most likely be Silverlight(new version of Bing Maps already uses it). Also, the only way to develop apps for Windows Phone 7 is through Silverlight(XNA for games), so I don't they're abandoning it anytime soon. Far from it, they're pushing it more.
Someone here got accused of confirmation bias for doubting the study.
by gyrogeerloose (849181)
Alter Relationship
on Saturday July 24, @06:08PM (#33016628)
Who did they ask? People inside of Apple's campus.. You've got to be kidding me.
Got to love it--some research challenges your preconceived notions so, of course, the only thing to do is reconsider said notions, right?
Wrong. Better to disparage the research than admit they might have been incorrect.
Come on, parent is not a troll. (Score:3, Insightful)
by Abcd1234 (188840)
Alter Relationship
on Saturday July 24, @06:17PM (#33016700) Homepage
In fact, he nailed it spot on. The GP doesn't like the conclusions of the study, so he just assumes the study or the researchers are wrong. It's an excellent illustration of confirmation bias (or, in this case, its inverse).
Maybe it was actually confirmation bias from the said Apple fan, that Android was so disliked and hence he got taken in by the false report?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/28/jobs-pulls-an-oprah-12m-in-iphones-for-all-apple-employees/
Please don't try to inject reason into what's essentially a 'hate on M$' session.
Do NOT, I repeat DO NOT mention that Apple spent $12M to give free iPhones to all their employees. It will be just too much for the cognitive dissonance on here. http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/28/jobs-pulls-an-oprah-12m-in-iphones-for-all-apple-employees/
If Coke were to give their employees free Coke just to increase their own market share and make their product look like it was doing better, then that would also be a cynical move.
It's worse than that.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/13/news/funny/coke_pepsi/
3 replies saying it ain't so - but all anonymous.
And logged-in users speak the Gospel truth right? Anyways
Many people maintain two phones, one for business use and one for personal use. If they don't want to, then they can hand it to a family member or friend. Or maybe it'll lie in a desk drawer unused. I don't see a reason for all the vitriol directed at them for this.
What Microsoft office are you in?
I'm sitting here as a Microsoft FTE in Redmond drinking my free soft drink.
This is Slashdot and we don't let facts get in the way of M$ bashing karmawhoring.
Paul's take on that "review" http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010/07/16/dont-bother-with-this-blog-post-disaster/
A more nuanced summary of the reviews: http://reddevnews.com/blogs/redmond-review/2010/07/wp7-and-the-court-of-pundit-opinion.aspx
Google gave out Nexus Ones to their employees. http://gps.about.com/b/2009/12/12/prototype-google-phone-released-to-employees-gps-features.htm
Things never change at Slashdot. The summary is needlessly incendiary and posters just jump the shark on the strawman without regards to reality. Or maybe it's karma whoring for mod points, but it usually works on here.
Apple supplies iPhones to employees and Google did the same with Nexus one:
http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.html
http://gps.about.com/b/2009/12/12/prototype-google-phone-released-to-employees-gps-features.htm
And who the hell talked about "success" in giving phones to employees and where did you get the news about job reviews and employees being forced to give up iPhones?
Is that what the OP meant when he said this:
This may sound good, but it is a pain when it comes to using laptops that come with a glossy finish, making it impossible to work unless you are doing it in the dark.
Just add 4 more cores to handle the core overhead.
Maybe Android and iPhone copied the form factor from Windows phones? http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/Cingular-8525.htm There are plenty of those that shipped a year before the iPhone was even announced.
Everyone needs to stop with the revisionist history.
A few ways that Windows Phone 7 can carve out it's own niche in the new dog-eats-dog mobile space:
1) Concentrate more on Corporate features.. full Exchange and Office support, Sharepoint, etc. than iPhone/Android
2) Leverage XBox integration and XNA Developer base, Microsoft demo-ed developing games for XBox, Windows PCs and Windows Phone 7 from pretty much the same codebase(except of course, controller and graphic resolution and capability differences). See http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsoft-shows-off-xna-games-running-on-windows-phone-full-3d/
This might result in the big Xbox/Windows developer base "easily" porting from Xbox, or simultaneously developing Xbox, Windows and Phone 7 games... a big plus compared to the Objective C and Java hurdles that iPhones and Android development creates.
And integrate with Xbox/Kinect somehow... use it as an additional controller or to navigate menus on Xbox?
3)Tighter Windows 7 Integration.. hopefully develop cool features such as controlling the phone from the PC, using it as an additional alert display etc etc.
4) Leverage the huge .NET/C#/VB.NET developer/Third parties base to develop applications.
An uphill battle for sure... but I won't count MS out yet. After all, they have inscribed "Developers, Developers, DEVELOPERS!" on the side of the free phone prototypes that they're handing out to developers.
Will be a hard pill for Apple to swallow after the hyped up outlandish claims about the new antenna design
"People have asked, 'What's this?' Some have even said, 'This doesn't seem like Apple.' What are these lines in this beautiful stainless steel band?
Well, it turns out there's not just one of them, there's three of them. And they are part of the entire structure of this phone. That stainless steel band that runs around is the primary structural element of the phone, and there are these three slits in it.
It turns out this is part of some brilliant engineering, which actually uses the stainless steel band as part of the antenna system. And so, one piece is Bluetooth, wifi, and GPS, and the other is UMTS and GSM. So it's got these integrated antennas right in the structure of the phone.
It's never been done before and it's really cool engineering."
Will be really hard to acknowledge a defect after all that hype.
They compared the percentage, not the number of bars. From the article:
The iPhone 4 consistently displays a greater percentage signal strength than Android (as defined by the fraction of bars lit).
From the same review(that you Apple fanbois conveniently leave out while cherrypicking other parts) :
The main downside to the iPhone 4 is the obvious lapse in Apple's engineering judgment. The fact that Apple didn't have the foresight to coat the stainless steel antenna band with even a fraction of an ounce worth of non-conductive material either tells us that Apple doesn't care or that it simply doesn't test thoroughly enough. The latter is a message we've seen a few times before with OS X issues, the iPhone 4 simply reinforces it. At the bare minimum Apple should give away its bumper case with every iPhone 4 sold. The best scenario is for Apple to coat the antenna and replace all existing phones with a revised model.The ideal situation is very costly for Apple but it is the right thing to do. Plus it's not like Apple doesn't have the resources to take care of its customers.
Lets see.
~41% - Minor problem.
~11% - Major problem.
41+11 = 52% = Majority.
Summary says a majority have a problem with it which seems to be accurate based on the calculations above. Only problem is that you conveniently forgot to mention the 11% having a major problem in your faith based post.
Looks like you're the faith based fanboy in Apple's cult which can believe it can do no wrong. Accusing others of it while being of the Apple faith yourself is rich though.
From a memo to AppleCare reps:
Exact procedures AppleCare reps must follow when dealing with any reception complaints regarding the iPhone 4.:
1. Keep all of the positioning statements in the BN handy – your tone when delivering this information is important.
a. The iPhone 4’s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. Our testing shows that iPhone 4’s overall antenna performance is better than iPhone 3GS.
b. Gripping almost any mobile phone in certain places will reduce its reception. This is true of the iPhone 4, the iPhone 3GS, and many other phones we have tested. It is a fact of life in the wireless world.
c. If you are experiencing this on your iPhone 3GS, avoid covering the bottom-right side with your hand.
d. If you are experiencing this on your iPhone 4, avoid covering the black strip in the lower-left corner of the metal band.
e. The use of a case or Bumper that is made out of rubber or plastic may improve wireless performance by keeping your hand from directly covering these areas.
2. Do not perform warranty service. Use the positioning above for any customer questions or concerns.
3. Don’t forget YOU STILL NEED to probe and troubleshoot. If a customer calls about their reception while the phone is sitting on a table (not being held) it is not the metal band.
4. ONLY escalate if the issue exists when the phone is not held AND you cannot resolve it.
5. We ARE NOT appeasing customers with free bumpers – DON’T promise a free bumper to customers.
"Mozilla has not posted detailed release notes yet, but there seem to be no major changes from Firefox 3.7a6-pre, with the exception that the browser is running more smoothly and with fewer crashes."
I love software that doesn't swap UIs every major release!
Except that the UI was indeed swapped. It got a more Chrome/Opera look now.
This link does say FF4 Beta 1 Candidates, so it might be it.
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/4.0b1-candidates/build1/win32/en-US/
That's some nice eye candy. But will Firefox stay relevant? Chrome is coming up fast and Mozilla seems to be stagnating. It sad to be in a state where your only source of income is your competitor.
From an earlier post of mine:
Mozilla corporation seems to be pretty badly run. They solicited donations for the NYT ad(some of my poor college friends scraped together money for it) while overpaying the CEO($500K per year)! The management was supposed to find different ways of getting funding but Mozilla is still dependent totally on Google(which competes with it's own rival browser). Mozilla made $66 million in revenue just in 2006 while development was largely done by unpaid volunteers.
In the meantime, Firefox was quite bloated, crash prone and lost the speed race to Chrome, Thunderbird stagnated and nothing really innovative or useful came out of Mozilla labs. Ubuntu will probably switch to Chromium and Firefox will start losing search revenue. . Probably the only thing going for Firefox are extensions(Chrome supports extensions now) and proper Adblock. Things are so bad that the CEO is planning to step down
Sad to see one of the epitomes of FOSS go down in flames like this.
All phones have sensitive areas," Jobs wrote. "Just avoid holding it in this way."
Now the iPhone won't have a sensitive area? Huh?