Why? They can do L-1B visas (employee transfer). All those are big enough and have enough foreign presence to get blanket approval prior to selecting the candidates. And spouses and children are also allowed on a L1. And the spouse can work at a different company.
I think after X time (1 year?), the H1B should belong to the employee rather than the employer. And the only requirement should be to maintain salary A from a US Company and pay B level of taxes every year. After 4 years, you have a choice for GC or get out. GC to Citizenship is the standard 10 years.
I think that simple ownership and mobility will be enough to fix the system. And we can also limit issuing new visas based on the number currently active. Example: if we have a high unemployment rate.
I think AWS should provide a server list and some third party can do a vulnerability assessment against them. Then they publish a monthly "idiots" report. Things will be aired out before some moron has enough time to upload too much sensitive data.
Over time clients, auditors, and customers will drop the companies that make it onto that list. Those who can't properly protect their systems won't be in the business.
Also anyone hosting their own solutions without proper audits can have criminal liability sanctions against the operators, CEs, and managers. Like they can't ever hold such a position blah blah blah.
Ok, we get it. You don't understand how technology works. It's all "black magic" to you. You don't like the fact that the world is changing because the majority of us are OK with this stuff.
There is no reason to call the rest of us "fucking morons" and "fucking cretins". No reason to be modded up.
Do I care if certain parties have access to my checking account that has very little funds? No. I have other accounts with low exposure where I actually keep my money.
Do I care if certain vendors have my CC information? No. I can get a new card number in two business days. The longest I have ever taken to disputed a charge... 15 minutes writing up the email. How often do I have fraudulent charges; about once every two years totaling less than $100.
We know it's not "free". But I personally find it cheaper than maintaining a certain amount of cash at home and in my wallet. Gas & time at the ATM/bank isn't free either. I go to one once every six months. Nor is the extra 30 seconds pulling out my wallet free at checkout. They add up.
I don't need to list the conviences of using my WhateverPay do I? In my case, I just use my watch, no phone required. I love the fact that an email/text comes to me about any charges.
For me, except for the pure number transformations or high frequency sensor readings/processing, I haven't felt it worth it to replace a lot of python code for the minor shift in the overall performance. For most applications, Python is more than just good enough.
I am uneasy about 2TB+ drives. The way I see it, that is a lot of data running on a single/small set of failure points. At about 2TB, that's about all the corporate data I generate over 2-3 years.
Each year I trim out a lot of stuff and zip it to about ~50GB of important, must keep, stuff. With 2TB drives, we tend to just keep everything.
And I just feel more is at risk with few protections. One stolen laptop, bad disk jolt, header jitter, etc and so much is gone. I just feel one big drive is so much more risker than multiple drives.
And network backups don't really protect enough because the communications channels are so slow. Most still operate at 50-100mbps. Restoring a lost drive takes forever and that long single write run isn't something these drives are designed for.
And even in servers, isn't 6 raided drives better than 2? Thoughts?
This isn't true... for quite some time. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. It's not simply about public vs private. It more about an "expectation of privacy" as viewed by the common man. This is the way the Supreme Court has leaned and shot down tracking and going through people's trash without warrants. Yes, in general, being in a public place, one can't expect privacy and vise-verse in a private space.
If you are at a train station and go into a corner to talk softly on the phone.... you have an expectation of privacy in a public space that could be violated. If you have your jacket over your head in the park, someone can't follow you around for that second that your guard is down and snap a picture. There was a expectation of privacy that someone _intended_ to violate.
Your vein/finger/retinal ID should be your login ID. Not it's verification token. The password, however simple, should still be a secret, hash communicated, mutable unique to an authentication system.
You can use your Bio-based user ID to be tracked around a secured building, but shouldn't be used to keep you out of a room. It's should be treated no differently than a badge or RFID tag.
But for the reason you gave, I think it is still a bad idea to use your bio as an ID. If it is used for DOSing or Spaming, you are efficiently blocked out. And you can't just go get another ID number.
People fear automation as the next big thing that will take their jobs. But it isn't. It's been the thing that can take their jobs for atleast the last 50 years. It just hasn't for non-technical reasons. Technical ability has the most say in why something isn't automated but the least say in why something IS automated.
When I audit business processes, I see atleast 3/5 positions or stages that could have been replaced by automation 10-20 years ago.
Forget my personal experience, just look at something as common, standard, and ancient as "construction". You will see a various levels of automation across the world. Things that have been automated decades ago in one part of the world are still manual in another.
Why something isn't automated is a combination of various reasons. Some of which are societal aversion/fear, risk of change, inability to commit, economic instability, lack of resources, expense to humanize, loss of (social) power, unreal expectations, etc. And that's ignoring all the obvious reasons not to automate; no money, no local knowledge, cheaper labor, laws & regulations, number of requirements, etc.
The story here isn't what specifically was automated, but how big of an operation was automated. It's news worthy because the scale of the operation & the size of the economic impact can be easily grasped by the common man. Doesn't hurt that it can be cheaply headlined about the largest robot; stirring all kinds of visuals in the human imagination.
It's not just during peak. I think Amazon scales down during non-peak times and performance is almost just as bad.
I been a Prime customer since the year after it launched. I probably returned an item a year; if that. Today, our ordering has only doubled but we return atleast one package a month; primarily due to delivery issues.
I think we are on some "bad customer" list because every once in a while the rep says "You return a lot..."; implying that we shouldn't do that. We always respond with, look the notes and figure out who is at fault.
If we order blue, we shouldn't get red. If we order something gift wrapped, we probably want it before TK... not two weeks after the dinner. No, we aren't going to go to the other neighborhood or even down the street and pick up the bad delivery. No, we are not going to accept a box with a forklift hole in it. No we don't want another brand automatically substituted and billed to us. You credited us because your tracking number became active. Don't recharge me because you didn't get the return in time!
And all this we find out if we inquire or after delivery. I think Amazon just doesn't care anymore. They are more focused on AWS, warehouse automation, and another HQ.
- moved the Healthcare topic that's been neglected by Congress for over 50 years? That cut the uninsured in half, insuring over 20 million people who couldn't afford healthcare.
And to just drill in how difficult of a topic it still is and how much Obama accomplished; the Republicans with 6 years of majority, 2 years of full control; couldn't even "fix" nor "improve" on it. They couldn't even bring their ideas to vote. This is despite 8 years of whining, promising, and wasting tax payer monies on BS "intent" votes on repeal! Despite this topic being their over arching promise to their voters.
- caught & killed Osama Bin Ladin. The guy who executed the biggest attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor, which was over 70 years ago. We invaded how many countries trying to catch this guy?
- oh and got us out of the Great Recession; the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression from 80 years ago.
So we only need someone like Obama to solve the really big crises that happen about twice a century. For normal decade level problems any normal President should suffice. Unfortunately, we have Trump.
That's pretty much the smallest possible apartment that people can get in NYC. I think 40sqm was the smallest even allowed to be built until a few years ago. At 50sqm, you are taking about a space that is smaller than a 4 person dorm and about 3x the smallest dorm rooms.
Then.... there is the fact that everyone settles for something 2x that at 90sqm. No one wants to live in a space that reminds them of their dormroom. So there is little market for small spaces and builders don't want to risk it. Finally, smaller spaces mean lower cost that also drives down current owner's values. Only buyers & renters want lower prices. The owners, agents, tax folks, etc all want higher property values.
It's a pity because even in single family homes in suburban areas, no one is building sub 2500 soft homes. Everything is priced in the $500k+ range. And the current young home buyers can't afford it. They could if the homes were smaller and acted as a starter and stepping stone to their dream house. But that is not so.
Then fix the immigration laws. Make the process easier for people to come here. Stop scaring them. Stop giving so much power to the corporations who have a ton when it comes to the H1, and L1 visas. Stop giving preferential treatment to "asylum seekers" just because they fit some of the US's biased checkboxes. Stop preferring the very rich over the normal and poor. Stop empowering the human traffickers who make it easier than the legal route. The list goes on and on.
I am a US citizen and have had to deal with EU, UK, CA, Indian, and US immigration systems. I had the worst treatment from the US system. It's an utter embarrassment for a "first world" country.
I think it is unAmerican, embarrassing, unrealistic, and insulting to throw our maze of a legal immigration framework that runs at a snail's pace in front of those who are trying to make a better life for their children. Imagine if you removed a crosswalk at a necessary & busy intersection. Would people just stop crossing? Would we be really addressing the issue by posting police there and enacting more and more severe punishments for violators?
Finally, less than 4% of the US population is illegal. The numbers haven't budged from 2005. 75% of them came here prior to 2005. Most illegal immigration ramp up happened during the 90s. And those people just stayed illegal as there was no path for them to become legal.
If we really want to make immigration better, there are plenty of ways to do so, but they are responsible, mature, & difficult choices. But it seems we would much rather hear the comforting sound bites against figmentations of the boogie men and chose options that actually make things worse.
Mexico is #2 just behind Canada vs China being a distant #3 for importing American goods (Japan #4 is 1/2 China). Mexico is #2 for selling to us, behind China.
How much room is there to grow for #2 in terms of buying from us? And it isn't even growth, we are charging #3 to discount #2.
On immigration, more Asia's are coming to the US than Hispanics since 2016.
On another note, I don't think these guys are really moving to Mexico. Per another post it was Taiwan. Which means it's basically the same supply chain; just one small stage has moved out of China. The whole eastern coast of Asia is one big logistics web. China just has the biggest, low cost (from volume) shipping pipe to US so everything ends up there.
You are comparing apples to chairs? Why are you comparing operational ROI rather than resale ROI? Most people don't look at the house value ROIs based on how much they would save against renting. They compare it to the resale value.
You put 10k into a house, sell it at 10k plus. If you can't, then neither could the builder to you.
They do teach that stuff in US schools. Maybe they didn't in yours.
Because it's not that simple and clear cut. There are many things that the invisible hand and free markets don't want to take risk in or are not equipped to assess or are too big to venture into (reverse lottery). These things need a society level entity to kick start things.
All the things people complain about governments can be laid against any large enterprise... free or regulated. The old academia used to say, atleast the enterprise can fail and only impact their shareholders. This isn't really true. Small governments fail all the time and large enterprises are quite frequently backed up by taxpayer funds.
Have you worked in large companies? Companies larger than 5k employees are larger than many local governments and about as inefficient. At 20k, it seems they are about as inefficient as any large government. At 50k+... they are too big to fail and will be bailed out by taxpayers.
It's not just that. I think a city needs a whole range of salary levels to stay well oiled. Eventually, it is constrained by becoming unaffordable to low salary, low value positions. You can fix this by automation to increase value and raise salaries. But for a given area of land, it will only take you to a certain growth level before all that becomes a non-optimal situation that drags on the growth of the city.
I think free transit will increase a metropolitan's area for growth. The faster and more reliable the trains, the larger the area. Eventually, you will still have lower income levels driving to the nearest outskirts' train station but they will be working in a true super metropolitan that could be a 100 miles across!
And for people, they can work across the entire city without having to move their family. Far less will find their living suddenly unaffordable because the city became too expensive. They will have access to far more retail and recreation establishments.
Then there is the logistics benefits of shipping supplies to and from a high concentration of the population. Or even courier services within the city. Cargo transit may not be free, but it could use and help pay for the same infrastructure.
I think crime will actually reduce as you have fewer corridors of transit where law enforcement and security cameras can be placed to catch thieves.
Of course there is the reduction of pollution from less cars. Less power wasted due to central ACs, island effects, and shared walls. More business/green real estate from less parking spaces.
No, we know what it means. It's "free" just like roads, the clean air we breath, 2 day shipping for Prime, the National Parks, sidewalks, over the air TV channels, libraries, the plastic straws at a restaurant, restrooms in a store, parking spaces at a mall, and the bloody door being held open for those after you....
My vehicle's door handles have lights under them. As do the running boards. As does the rear of the car so I can un/load things. Specific ones lighting up as needed is nice (the zones are just driver, pass, all, and rear).
I leave the car on when it's less than a 5 min stop. Ie: dropping shipping packages off or leaving the family watching TV to get milk. It will take me 5 min or 20 with family.
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Why? They can do L-1B visas (employee transfer). All those are big enough and have enough foreign presence to get blanket approval prior to selecting the candidates. And spouses and children are also allowed on a L1. And the spouse can work at a different company.
I think after X time (1 year?), the H1B should belong to the employee rather than the employer. And the only requirement should be to maintain salary A from a US Company and pay B level of taxes every year. After 4 years, you have a choice for GC or get out. GC to Citizenship is the standard 10 years.
I think that simple ownership and mobility will be enough to fix the system. And we can also limit issuing new visas based on the number currently active. Example: if we have a high unemployment rate.
I think AWS should provide a server list and some third party can do a vulnerability assessment against them. Then they publish a monthly "idiots" report. Things will be aired out before some moron has enough time to upload too much sensitive data.
Over time clients, auditors, and customers will drop the companies that make it onto that list. Those who can't properly protect their systems won't be in the business.
Also anyone hosting their own solutions without proper audits can have criminal liability sanctions against the operators, CEs, and managers. Like they can't ever hold such a position blah blah blah.
Problem will take care of itself.
Ok, we get it. You don't understand how technology works. It's all "black magic" to you. You don't like the fact that the world is changing because the majority of us are OK with this stuff.
There is no reason to call the rest of us "fucking morons" and "fucking cretins". No reason to be modded up.
Do I care if certain parties have access to my checking account that has very little funds? No. I have other accounts with low exposure where I actually keep my money.
Do I care if certain vendors have my CC information? No. I can get a new card number in two business days. The longest I have ever taken to disputed a charge... 15 minutes writing up the email. How often do I have fraudulent charges; about once every two years totaling less than $100.
We know it's not "free". But I personally find it cheaper than maintaining a certain amount of cash at home and in my wallet. Gas & time at the ATM/bank isn't free either. I go to one once every six months. Nor is the extra 30 seconds pulling out my wallet free at checkout. They add up.
I don't need to list the conviences of using my WhateverPay do I? In my case, I just use my watch, no phone required. I love the fact that an email/text comes to me about any charges.
Nuff said?
And this is the recommended way to do this.
For me, except for the pure number transformations or high frequency sensor readings/processing, I haven't felt it worth it to replace a lot of python code for the minor shift in the overall performance. For most applications, Python is more than just good enough.
So what does /. think about the below?
I am uneasy about 2TB+ drives. The way I see it, that is a lot of data running on a single/small set of failure points. At about 2TB, that's about all the corporate data I generate over 2-3 years.
Each year I trim out a lot of stuff and zip it to about ~50GB of important, must keep, stuff. With 2TB drives, we tend to just keep everything.
And I just feel more is at risk with few protections. One stolen laptop, bad disk jolt, header jitter, etc and so much is gone. I just feel one big drive is so much more risker than multiple drives.
And network backups don't really protect enough because the communications channels are so slow. Most still operate at 50-100mbps. Restoring a lost drive takes forever and that long single write run isn't something these drives are designed for.
And even in servers, isn't 6 raided drives better than 2? Thoughts?
Hummm... 0-60 mph is ~0-100kph. I think since most people drive between 85-100 kph, the latter scale makes more sense.
Before people remind me of the South and Midwest, most people in the US live near cities and use 55mph roads.
I thought Mr Musk gave them flamethrowers?
This isn't true... for quite some time. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. It's not simply about public vs private. It more about an "expectation of privacy" as viewed by the common man. This is the way the Supreme Court has leaned and shot down tracking and going through people's trash without warrants. Yes, in general, being in a public place, one can't expect privacy and vise-verse in a private space.
If you are at a train station and go into a corner to talk softly on the phone.... you have an expectation of privacy in a public space that could be violated. If you have your jacket over your head in the park, someone can't follow you around for that second that your guard is down and snap a picture. There was a expectation of privacy that someone _intended_ to violate.
And then I think you got things mixed up.
Your vein/finger/retinal ID should be your login ID. Not it's verification token. The password, however simple, should still be a secret, hash communicated, mutable unique to an authentication system.
You can use your Bio-based user ID to be tracked around a secured building, but shouldn't be used to keep you out of a room. It's should be treated no differently than a badge or RFID tag.
But for the reason you gave, I think it is still a bad idea to use your bio as an ID. If it is used for DOSing or Spaming, you are efficiently blocked out. And you can't just go get another ID number.
Because it's the real world, that's why.
People fear automation as the next big thing that will take their jobs. But it isn't. It's been the thing that can take their jobs for atleast the last 50 years. It just hasn't for non-technical reasons. Technical ability has the most say in why something isn't automated but the least say in why something IS automated.
When I audit business processes, I see atleast 3/5 positions or stages that could have been replaced by automation 10-20 years ago.
Forget my personal experience, just look at something as common, standard, and ancient as "construction". You will see a various levels of automation across the world. Things that have been automated decades ago in one part of the world are still manual in another.
Why something isn't automated is a combination of various reasons. Some of which are societal aversion/fear, risk of change, inability to commit, economic instability, lack of resources, expense to humanize, loss of (social) power, unreal expectations, etc. And that's ignoring all the obvious reasons not to automate; no money, no local knowledge, cheaper labor, laws & regulations, number of requirements, etc.
The story here isn't what specifically was automated, but how big of an operation was automated. It's news worthy because the scale of the operation & the size of the economic impact can be easily grasped by the common man. Doesn't hurt that it can be cheaply headlined about the largest robot; stirring all kinds of visuals in the human imagination.
It's not just during peak. I think Amazon scales down during non-peak times and performance is almost just as bad.
I been a Prime customer since the year after it launched. I probably returned an item a year; if that. Today, our ordering has only doubled but we return atleast one package a month; primarily due to delivery issues.
I think we are on some "bad customer" list because every once in a while the rep says "You return a lot..."; implying that we shouldn't do that. We always respond with, look the notes and figure out who is at fault.
If we order blue, we shouldn't get red. If we order something gift wrapped, we probably want it before TK... not two weeks after the dinner. No, we aren't going to go to the other neighborhood or even down the street and pick up the bad delivery. No, we are not going to accept a box with a forklift hole in it. No we don't want another brand automatically substituted and billed to us. You credited us because your tracking number became active. Don't recharge me because you didn't get the return in time!
And all this we find out if we inquire or after delivery. I think Amazon just doesn't care anymore. They are more focused on AWS, warehouse automation, and another HQ.
I don't know if people post this in jest, but on a serious note, Trump will win the 2020 election. That's just the way the historic dice rolled.
Unless he crashes the economy or gets impeached. But both of those are extremely unlikely.
Obama? The guy who:
- moved the Healthcare topic that's been neglected by Congress for over 50 years? That cut the uninsured in half, insuring over 20 million people who couldn't afford healthcare.
And to just drill in how difficult of a topic it still is and how much Obama accomplished; the Republicans with 6 years of majority, 2 years of full control; couldn't even "fix" nor "improve" on it. They couldn't even bring their ideas to vote. This is despite 8 years of whining, promising, and wasting tax payer monies on BS "intent" votes on repeal! Despite this topic being their over arching promise to their voters.
- caught & killed Osama Bin Ladin. The guy who executed the biggest attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor, which was over 70 years ago. We invaded how many countries trying to catch this guy?
- oh and got us out of the Great Recession; the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression from 80 years ago.
So we only need someone like Obama to solve the really big crises that happen about twice a century. For normal decade level problems any normal President should suffice. Unfortunately, we have Trump.
That's pretty much the smallest possible apartment that people can get in NYC. I think 40sqm was the smallest even allowed to be built until a few years ago. At 50sqm, you are taking about a space that is smaller than a 4 person dorm and about 3x the smallest dorm rooms.
Then.... there is the fact that everyone settles for something 2x that at 90sqm. No one wants to live in a space that reminds them of their dormroom. So there is little market for small spaces and builders don't want to risk it. Finally, smaller spaces mean lower cost that also drives down current owner's values. Only buyers & renters want lower prices. The owners, agents, tax folks, etc all want higher property values.
It's a pity because even in single family homes in suburban areas, no one is building sub 2500 soft homes. Everything is priced in the $500k+ range. And the current young home buyers can't afford it. They could if the homes were smaller and acted as a starter and stepping stone to their dream house. But that is not so.
Waiting on the next housing bubble pop.
Then fix the immigration laws. Make the process easier for people to come here. Stop scaring them. Stop giving so much power to the corporations who have a ton when it comes to the H1, and L1 visas. Stop giving preferential treatment to "asylum seekers" just because they fit some of the US's biased checkboxes. Stop preferring the very rich over the normal and poor. Stop empowering the human traffickers who make it easier than the legal route. The list goes on and on.
I am a US citizen and have had to deal with EU, UK, CA, Indian, and US immigration systems. I had the worst treatment from the US system. It's an utter embarrassment for a "first world" country.
I think it is unAmerican, embarrassing, unrealistic, and insulting to throw our maze of a legal immigration framework that runs at a snail's pace in front of those who are trying to make a better life for their children. Imagine if you removed a crosswalk at a necessary & busy intersection. Would people just stop crossing? Would we be really addressing the issue by posting police there and enacting more and more severe punishments for violators?
Finally, less than 4% of the US population is illegal. The numbers haven't budged from 2005. 75% of them came here prior to 2005. Most illegal immigration ramp up happened during the 90s. And those people just stayed illegal as there was no path for them to become legal.
If we really want to make immigration better, there are plenty of ways to do so, but they are responsible, mature, & difficult choices. But it seems we would much rather hear the comforting sound bites against figmentations of the boogie men and chose options that actually make things worse.
For the past 10 years, more Asians come here than Hispanics. NAFTA already solved the Hispanic immigration problem from the 1990s.
Mexico is #2 just behind Canada vs China being a distant #3 for importing American goods (Japan #4 is 1/2 China). Mexico is #2 for selling to us, behind China.
How much room is there to grow for #2 in terms of buying from us? And it isn't even growth, we are charging #3 to discount #2.
On immigration, more Asia's are coming to the US than Hispanics since 2016.
On another note, I don't think these guys are really moving to Mexico. Per another post it was Taiwan. Which means it's basically the same supply chain; just one small stage has moved out of China. The whole eastern coast of Asia is one big logistics web. China just has the biggest, low cost (from volume) shipping pipe to US so everything ends up there.
You are comparing apples to chairs? Why are you comparing operational ROI rather than resale ROI? Most people don't look at the house value ROIs based on how much they would save against renting. They compare it to the resale value.
You put 10k into a house, sell it at 10k plus. If you can't, then neither could the builder to you.
Where would that NOT suck?
They do teach that stuff in US schools. Maybe they didn't in yours.
Because it's not that simple and clear cut. There are many things that the invisible hand and free markets don't want to take risk in or are not equipped to assess or are too big to venture into (reverse lottery). These things need a society level entity to kick start things.
All the things people complain about governments can be laid against any large enterprise... free or regulated. The old academia used to say, atleast the enterprise can fail and only impact their shareholders. This isn't really true. Small governments fail all the time and large enterprises are quite frequently backed up by taxpayer funds.
Have you worked in large companies? Companies larger than 5k employees are larger than many local governments and about as inefficient. At 20k, it seems they are about as inefficient as any large government. At 50k+... they are too big to fail and will be bailed out by taxpayers.
It's not just that. I think a city needs a whole range of salary levels to stay well oiled. Eventually, it is constrained by becoming unaffordable to low salary, low value positions. You can fix this by automation to increase value and raise salaries. But for a given area of land, it will only take you to a certain growth level before all that becomes a non-optimal situation that drags on the growth of the city.
I think free transit will increase a metropolitan's area for growth. The faster and more reliable the trains, the larger the area. Eventually, you will still have lower income levels driving to the nearest outskirts' train station but they will be working in a true super metropolitan that could be a 100 miles across!
And for people, they can work across the entire city without having to move their family. Far less will find their living suddenly unaffordable because the city became too expensive. They will have access to far more retail and recreation establishments.
Then there is the logistics benefits of shipping supplies to and from a high concentration of the population. Or even courier services within the city. Cargo transit may not be free, but it could use and help pay for the same infrastructure.
I think crime will actually reduce as you have fewer corridors of transit where law enforcement and security cameras can be placed to catch thieves.
Of course there is the reduction of pollution from less cars. Less power wasted due to central ACs, island effects, and shared walls. More business/green real estate from less parking spaces.
I really look forward to Lux's results!!
No, we know what it means. It's "free" just like roads, the clean air we breath, 2 day shipping for Prime, the National Parks, sidewalks, over the air TV channels, libraries, the plastic straws at a restaurant, restrooms in a store, parking spaces at a mall, and the bloody door being held open for those after you....
We should be clear now.
My vehicle's door handles have lights under them. As do the running boards. As does the rear of the car so I can un/load things. Specific ones lighting up as needed is nice (the zones are just driver, pass, all, and rear).
I leave the car on when it's less than a 5 min stop. Ie: dropping shipping packages off or leaving the family watching TV to get milk. It will take me 5 min or 20 with family.