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Even More Americans Have Stopped Biking To Work (usatoday.com)

The percentage of Americans biking to work has dropped for the third year straight, reports the U.S. Census Bureau. An anonymous reader quotes USA Today: Nationally, the percentage of people who say they use a bike to get to work fell by 3.2 percent from 2016 to 2017, to an average of 836,569 commuters, according to the bureau's latest American Community Survey, which regularly asks a group of Americans about their habits. That's down from a high of 904,463 in 2014, when it peaked after four straight years of increases....

Experts offered several explanations for the nationwide decrease that has unfolded even as cities spent millions trying to become more bike-friendly. Most obviously, lower gasoline prices and a stronger economy contributed to strong auto sales and less interest in cheaper alternatives, such as mass transit and bikes. The rise of ride-hailing services such as Uber and Lyft and electric scooters cut into bike commuting, said Dave Snyder, executive director of the California Bicycle Coalition.

In at least two American cities -- Cleveland and Tampa -- the number of bike commuters has dropped by 50%.

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  1. Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It could be that more than ever people live such distances from their place of work that biking represents a significant portion of their day or effort. Whereas driving allows them to spend more time with family or performing additional tasks.

    1. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh stop confusing everybody with your facts and logic

    2. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or sitting in traffic.

      If you live more than 20km from work, biking can get challenging in the mornings.

      I think most people are just lazy sloth's, and just take the path of least resistance when given a choice.

    3. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that there are more lazy sloths in the world than there are people with a good work ethic. There you have it. That is all.

    4. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry you have such an affinity for the units you inherited from the British empire. This is a site for nerds, you should be familiar with meteric units. What do I know, though, as I don't live in your hemisphere.

    5. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your point is that Americans are too stupid to understand kilometres or convert them into something they are familiar with?

    6. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least in NYC bike ridership balooned recently, and the trend is not tapering off. With (slow) progress in infrastructure improvement and Cuomo-run disorganized and collapsing public transportation, coupled with decrease in cyclist fatalities, cycling became a mainstay in the city.

      I bike 11.5 miles one way. It takes me about 45 minutes one way. It takes me 1:15 hrs on the subway, and 1:30 minimum in a car. Both, subway and car times can easily double when something happens. Biking might be extra 10 minutes once every blue moon when some nogoodnick sprinkle bikeways with glass, or construction closes roads.

    7. Re: Or by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I think most people are just lazy sloth's, and just take the path of least resistance when given a choice.

      Of course they do. Resistance is futile.

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    8. Re: Or by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Or sitting in traffic.

      I have never seen a congested bike path in America. If you mean car traffic, then bikes can bypass that by riding on the shoulder. Worse traffic would explain an increase in bicycle commuting, but not a decrease.

      I think most people are just lazy sloth's.

      But have the become slothier since 2016? If so, that should show up in other data as well, such as people walking less, and falling gym memberships.

    9. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what the hell is up w/that!? The is /., where facts and logic are meaningless...

      (Hey, this is pretty cool - when did /. add an edit submission after submit button?)

      CAP === 'unproven'

    10. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, isn't the point of the metric system to make things easier, even if the units themselves are less appropriate?

      Miles are a nice unit of distance because miles per hour range from 0 to 100. I think that is easier than, say, being able to convert between meters and km just by moving the decimal point (an operation that is never needed when dealing with distances measured on roads).

    11. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kilometres per hour tend to be a value between 0 and 150 while in a car, which is just as convenient. There aren't really any downsides compared to US traditional units.

    12. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you aspie nerd. My point is this is an article about Americans. We do not need your useless EU opinions on it. Just like you do not need useless American opinion on EU issues.

      Dumb ass.

    13. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah or their time is fleeting.
      I figured the bicyclists were tired of getting run over by illegals.

    14. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you live in the real world where you have weather (rain, snow, high humidity). Who wants to arrive at work tired and sweaty...
      Or you live in the real world where you live in a rural area and biking 50 miles to work is not practical.
      Or you live in the real world were you can afford a car.

    15. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In America all the distances are posted in miles and cars have the mph prominently located on the speedometer.

      So when considering distances for travel, that makes sense as everything else had to be converted.

    16. Re:Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The percentage of Americans biking to work has dropped for the third year straight, reports the U.S. Census Bureau

      The Census Bureau's American Community Survey asks the question "How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK?" followed by 12 checkboxes of choices. This is a self-taken survey of a number of people selected by the Census bureau and notified through the mail.
      As others have mentioned, bicycle riding numbers are affected greatly what the season is due to cold weather and early darkness in the winter. What I haven't been able to determine is what time of year the letters were sent out.

      The other possibility is that people are bullshitting less for some reason.

    17. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bikes have neither

    18. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a bike computer, you peasant

    19. Re:Or by Kopp · · Score: 1

      Damn, so like 99% of workforce live more than 5 miles from their job place or even 10 miles) ? And all of them also zorks in places with no bathroom where they could change shirt to not be sweaty (apparently, biking to jobs involve you going full speed all the times to end up super sweaty)

    20. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not an "or" relationship, it's "because".

    21. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That must be very inconvenient when you drive to one of the neighbouring countries.

    22. Re: Or by orlanz · · Score: 1

      Hummm... 0-60 mph is ~0-100kph. I think since most people drive between 85-100 kph, the latter scale makes more sense.

      Before people remind me of the South and Midwest, most people in the US live near cities and use 55mph roads.

    23. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US borders two countries and two oceans. The greatest East-West distance just shy of 3000 miles (4800 km) and the North-South distance is about 1600 miles (2600 km). And most US border states are sparsely populated near the border (yes, there are some exceptions). So, the likelihood of someone driving into another country with an American car is quite slim for most Americans. There's just so much land that in between that most Americans either cannot or do not drive across the border to Canada or Mexico.

      Yes yes, there are business and family situations where folks regularly drive between the US and Canada or Mexico, but for the typical American the drive is too long to conviently hope in a car and cross the border for a day.

    24. Re: Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never seen a congested bike path in America.

      The W&OD trail in Northern Virginia has rush hour and it does get rather busy during those times.

  2. It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    They rode bikes to show the need for bike lanes. Now that bike lanes have been built they don't see the need to bike anymore.

    1. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was never politics for us. Want to know what probably happened? All that new infrastructure for bikers is nice, but still needs to be maintained. As the years roll on, cities arenâ(TM)t maintaining it, so less people use it.

      On top of that thereâ(TM)s still am issue with drivers treating bikers like shit, between parking in bike lanes, not looking for them, etc..

    2. Re:It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'd be nice if they actually kept the bike lanes clean, as well. Instead, I see the street sweepers avoiding the bike lanes, and sweeping dirt into them. I stopped biking when I ended up with a nail in my tire ever other week. Too much trouble to constantly fix.

    3. Re:It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation for this unabashed bullshit? We'll be waiting...

    4. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I realize you are invisible to some drivers. I'll give you that. But nearly all bike accidents I've seen had more to do with bicycle riders not following the road rules. Riding two or three across in a narrow bike lane forcing drivers over the yellow line. Not stopping for stop signs. Not signaling turns. The list goes on. Can blame drivers all you want but you are responsible when you're out there and you have to follow rules too.

    5. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am certain the designers of the bike lanes designed them safely in my area. It is nice to see the bikers obviously enjoying their lane as well. I have no clue why other cities are running into so many problems

    6. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a practical solution to cyclist safety, check out what they've done in Seville, southern Spain. On many roads, there are bike paths, apart from the road, and where that isn't feasible, they put low concrete bollards between the car lanes and the bike lane. If a driver wanders near the bike lane, s/he'll do some very expensive damage to her/his car. Oh, and Seville also has a very cheap municipal bike hire system. The bike lanes are great for rollerblading too. And have I mentioned how stunningly beautiful Seville is and that it's safe and relatively cheap to live there? And Spain has universal healthcare? And there's a wonderful work-life balance? And people are generally friendly, cheerful, and fun loving?

    7. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've yet to see a bike accident caused by cyclist. I've seen quite few where a driver didn't see a cyclist (B.S. excuse. If you are unable to see a cyclist on the road you have no business operating a car untill you either figure out how to pay attention on the road or fix your medical problems).

      BTW, if a bikeway is so narrow that 2 cyclists can't ride abreast, it is not a bikeway at all. Some DOT planner pulled a fast one on community to infante numbers.

    8. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      900K bicycle commuters. Out of 150 million commuters. yeah, a 0.6% sliver of the commuters are going to get ignored - there simply isn't enough incentive to pay attention to their needs.

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    9. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take Made Up Statistics About Things I've Never Actually Witnessed for $1000, Alex

    10. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      I don't agree. They built a purpose built bike path along a stretch of freeway where I live. No cars, no obstructions or any other thing to prevent a blissful biking experience on it. And yet, no on rides on it. It was a huge waste of money and IMHO a boondoggle. You can't force people to ride bike and in the suburbs to downtown it just isn't going to happen no matter how much is pumped into it.

    11. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American cyclists aren't interested in any of this; they want to own the entire roadway.

    12. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Superficial analysis is superficial.

    13. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well the problem is right there.

      They built one purpose built bike path along a stretch of freeway. But how do you get to and from the bike path? For a recreational bike path, this isn't a problem - you just have parking lots every few miles for people to get on and off, but for commuting you need safe routes between all the destinations you intend to support. You need to have storage for the bikes at each destination, and you need to have a way for bike commuters to switch modes if conditions change throughout the day.

      You don't need all those things all at once, but you're not going to see much results until you have some areas with all of those things.

    14. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      No idea where these numbers come from other than they're probably made up, but "bicycle commuters" are not the only cyclists nor are cyclists ignored. Cycling infrastructure is for cyclists, not commuters.

    15. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      The 900K from from TFS, and there are about 115 million single-passenger commuters every day, and since that is 75% of all commuters - that means there's about 150 million commuters.

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    16. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      How do you know that no one rides on it? Do you? If not, you have no idea, otherwise you are proof otherwise.

      Bike lanes, like roads, often appear empty even when they are used frequently.

      I bike commute daily on a path just like that and I see it used all the time, yet I regularly experience ignorant comments such as your about those very paths in my area. Odds are, you're simply not interested and feel entitled to comment on something you know nothing about.

    17. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you moron he -lives- near it, as he said very clearly, so he can -see- no one uses it.

    18. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      My town (northern AZ) is well-equipped with bike lanes, but we also have a lot of roundabouts, which are relatively new in the state as a whole. Drivers here know that the bike lanes do not continue through roundabouts; bikers are supposed to merge in-line through each roundabout. Unfortunately tourists do not know this, and as a result cyclists are steadily being selected out of the road population. But be warned, for they are evolving the ability to shoot back.

    19. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because you have little relative velocity vs other cyclist so don't see many of them.

    20. Re: It was just a political fight for some. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Seattle we've built tons of expensive bike Lanes and there's been no meaningful increase in bike commuters. It's still under 3%. Turns out we have hills, miserable weather and the bike lanes don't necessarily go where people want to go.

      They were place primarily to take Lanes away from drivers, even where it makes more sense for them to ride on sidewalks.

  3. yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's winter

  4. Biking to work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm 50 miles from the nearest metro and am no Lance Armstrong.

  5. biking to work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they have grown up, got real jobs were a bicycling with a suit on looks silly.

    I bike to work but its on a Harley...

    1. Re: biking to work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You claim other people look silly while you ride a Harley yourself? Wow.

  6. Constant job changes are needed by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    to get ahead since companies don't really give raises anymore, that means you can't really live within biking distance unless you're really, really lucky. Doesn't help that people usually hate cyclists with a passion, and that's if they see them. I've been run off the road more than once by somebody completely oblivious to my existence.

    And of course most cities don't have money for bike paths. No joke, there's several places in my city where there's a path going out but not coming _back_. And a lot of times the bike path has just eroded away and there's no money to restore it.

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    1. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I didn't use to hate cyclists. But in the last couple of years they whined and whined about how they need more space. Now, in CA, you have to be at least three feet away from them if you want to pass them in a car. Guess what? Yep, there isn't enough room to do that on many roads without being in oncoming traffic. So you either sit behind them going slow or you risk getting a ticket for being "too close" to them. This is what happened instead of making the roads where this is a problem "no bike" zones. So of course now I do hate them.

    2. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't hate people who ride bicycles to work. However 'cyclists', meaning the self-identified militant cult member, are annoying. Proselytizing to everyone ("here's a map of routes you can take"), lying ("it's safe", "it's easy", "it's convenient"), and bragging ("I wasn't feeling well so I only biked 50 miles this weekend").

    3. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ya, it's dangerous. And they don't want to admit it. Every year see someone else with a black eye or broken arm or major road rash. I used to ride a small motorcycle, and I realized pretty quick that there was a higher than normal probability of being in a very bad accident that was not at all my own fault. And then I see a significant number of cyclists not even in the bike lanes or who are staying right on that painted white line.

      People have asked me why I don't bike. Never mind the obvious answer that I haven't biked in decades and won't be joining their all day mountain ride anytime soon. My first answer I give is often "there's no safe route for me" and then they look at me like I was spouting nonsense.

      I do agree that I should take my car to work less often, but that means using mass transit (which also means getting more exercise).

    4. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who thought it was a good idea for 3000lb steel boxes moving 40mph to share the road with 200lb fleshy bags moving at 15mph needed to be taken out and shot.

    5. Re:Constant job changes are needed by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1, Troll

      Oh, that's just everyday annoyance. Try being a foot/MUNI commuter and getting trapped by critical mass, not once but twice... once while walking to my bus, and once on the bus when the biker assholes looped back.

      That was the day I decided I'd never be a bike commuter. And every critical mass I've witnessed or experienced has reinforced that decision. They're a massive pack of raging assholes, and I have zero desire to ever join their ranks; or even to be mistaken for one of them. And yes, likewise, I hate cyclists as well.

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    6. Re:Constant job changes are needed by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      "However 'cyclists', meaning the self-identified militant cult member,..."

      You should seriously reevaluate your life, no one believes "cyclist" means this.

    7. Re: Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes that is exactly what it means. Or you never lived in a place inundated with Critical Massholes intentionally fucking up traffic during the worst commute hours and trashing innocent peoples cars just because.

    8. Re: Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steel? Mineâ(TM)s aluminum you insensitive clod!

    9. Re: Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do!

    10. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No joke, there's several places in my city where there's a path going out but not coming _back_.

      One way bike paths?

    11. Re:Constant job changes are needed by dwpro · · Score: 1

      God those greedy cyclist wanting a armwidth of passing space when a collision could mean instant death. What will they want next, dedicated lanes?

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    12. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a small Midwestern community. There is no money and mostly no room for bike paths or bike lanes. And most people don't like bicyclists here because many of them ignore traffic laws, and ride where they shouldn't. By that I mean on sidewalks, and on roads where they cannot possibly keep up with traffic that is going the speed limit. And its a major pain in the ass to have to slow down to half of the speed limit or slower, because an idiot on a bicycle will not pull to the side enough for traffic to pass them. And even back in the 70s and 80s when I rode a bicycle, there were far too many loose vicious dogs, and of course they liked to chase bicyclists and try to tear off a leg or foot! That situation is even worse around here now, as we have a bunch of gang members from Chicago moving here, and they all seem to have pit bulls that they have trained to be mean, and don't want to use a leash when walking them. On top of that, thew town is built on several hills. there are some areas that are fairly flat, but many of the streets are far too steep to ride a bicycle up or down. I once got pulled over by a cop for going 60...down a hill on a bicycle!

      Oh, and there really is no mass transit here. There are city buses, but they don't run on scheduled routs most of the time. For 3 years when I had cataracts, I couldn't drive. And I had to get to a dialysis clinic 3 days a week. I had to schedule bus pickup to and from. Usually going to was not too bad, but sometimes the ride home could take more than an hour...this is a town that can be crossed from one end to the other in 15 minutes or less most of the time!

    13. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law is three feet or slow down and pass safely if you cannot manage three feet.

    14. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      could mean instant death.

      If only it would be that quick.

      Here ya go:
      1. Most bike riders are not cyclists, and can't ride a straight line to...save their lives. I have no answer to that.
      2. In the US not having a car is almost an economic death sentence, so the DMV renews the licenses of even horrific drivers.
      3. America is pathologically bound to the automobile; economically, socially, psychologically. Feeling insignificant? Buy a big SUV or crew cab.
      4. The US is not Jamaica. It's often stupidly hot, stupidly cold or the destination is stupidly distant. Like perhaps your job.
      5. It's human nature to become a dick when you become good at something. Like riding a bike or driving an expensive vehicle.
      6. The engineers who design for bikes haven't ridden one in 40 years. I have ridden thousands of miles on the proof.
      7. The politicians who push for useless bike paths are whoring for votes. They drive nice sedans.
      8. We have bike paths; they're called roads, and there's more than enough asphalt for everyone. It just takes courtesy and respect but America is not down with those right now.
      9. "America" (the idea, not the place), is a high-grade concept. We were almost there for a bit but now it's getting distant again. Tiny weak bikes vs. huge powerful automobiles is not what the country's energies should be spent on right now.
      10. The revolution will not be televised.

    15. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darinbob can't be a cyclist or they would know 50 miles on a bike is not a bragging distance. Probably don't even know how much fun five miles can be. Or a couple miles with a good friend. When the student is ready the teacher will appear. But the student has to be ready first.

    16. Re:Constant job changes are needed by jeti · · Score: 1

      And then I see a significant number of cyclists not even in the bike lanes or who are staying right on that painted white line.

      Probably because the bike lane is so narrow that you'd be in the dooring zone otherwise.

    17. Re:Constant job changes are needed by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      Agreed. People are generally inattentive during their commute and the roads have the highest traffic at that time. It's just not safe to be around that mess without a metal enclosure and an assortment of safety devices.

    18. Re:Constant job changes are needed by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Oh dear. You have to share the road with other people, it's not just there for your biscuit tin.

      Here's news for you: you are not alone on the road. Roads existed before cars, and they will exist after, and other people have a right to use them too. You have to slow them for them? Suck it up, snowflake.

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    19. Re:Constant job changes are needed by burtosis · · Score: 1

      I live in a large midwestern town and bicycling or public transit are poor to non-existent options for many people. There are plenty of bike lanes, many have replaced actual lanes used on busy roads. However very few people use them compared to the previous auto traffic, they were put in place specifically to restrict traffic access to some dense urban areas. Many people commute 20-40+ miles as the city is spread out over several hundred square miles. The low average density means there are no bus or light rail routes to the vast majority of destination and when these routes do exist expect to change between 3-4 lines and take forever. Not to mention there is plenty of rain all year and snow for up to 6 months. The only person I know who has been reliably able to commute 25 miles each way in snow on a bicycle was 23 and worked in a bike store. Take into account the massive CO2 impact for many human foods and you aren't even saving as much pollution as commonly perceived by bicycling. Mass transit often has lower CO2 emission impact than cycling. What we need is better city planning, better public transportation, better acceptance of e-bikes to extend commuter access, and better adoption of clean electricity for electric vehicles both public and private.

    20. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "However 'cyclists', meaning the self-identified militant cult member,..."

      You should seriously reevaluate your life, no one believes "cyclist" means this.

      Spotted the Cyclist.

    21. Re:Constant job changes are needed by suutar · · Score: 1

      I figured it was because the tilt in the road surface to get water to flow to the gutter was worse at the edge. But yeah, bikes hugging the left edge of the bike lane always made me nervous when I was going past them.

    22. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Tell you what, friend: don't lump us all together into one group. Bigotry is bigotry.

      Most of us don't 'proselytize'.
      Most of us don't commute on a bike to work either. It's slow, inconvenient, and I for one don't want to stew in my own sweat all day.

      It's safe
      It can be. The 'average' cyclist somehow thinks that they're not living in the same reality as everyone else on public roads. They're not paying attention in the same ways they are when driving, and they should. Same laws apply.
      To be absolutely fair about it, drivers act differently than they should around cyclists, and that makes the problem worse. As an exampIe, I can't count the number of times per month I have to literally wave a car through a four-way stop because they flatly refuse to take their right-of-way. Making things confusing causes safety issues, and despite the protests of cyclist haters, it's not all the cyclists.

      It's easy
      It's convenient
      For an avid cyclist? Sure, it can be. For someone who never does it? No, it's not. As previously stated: it's also inconvient, slow, you can't carry that much with you, and forget about stopping at the grocery store or other errands on your way home from work. Nevermind even discussing rain and snow, or it being near or below freezing out. Remember: I am a cyclist, and I don't do it or recommend it.

      Bragging
      Again: stop lumping us all together. I don't give a damn about this-that-or-the-other sports you watched on TV or the video games you're playing, and I don't go around yakking about the number of hours and miles I ride weekly or what my VO2max power has risen to unless you ask me. Then I'll be happy to bend your ear about it. ;-) Otherwise it's my personal business and none of yours.

    23. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      At the same time there's risk involved in any activity and if you're not prepared to accept the risk then you should not participate, if for no other reason than nervous people make mistakes far more often than confident people do, and on a bike mistakes mean getting injured. FWIW you could end up with repetitive motion injuries and sciatica problems from sitting in your nice safe comfy house playing video games all day every day, and you can get an injury going to the gym for strength training, too. The only way to be 100% 'safe' is to sit still in your house, move very little, and very slowly when you do.

    24. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and sibling are... a bit off? The poster you guys are replying to clearly went out of their way to emphasize that they're referring specifically to the obnoxiously-loud-for-the-sake-of-being-obnoxiously-loud proper subset (who in turn are a proper subset of the obnoxiously loud). Even i am a cyclist, and there's no convincing us that such a defined group doesn't exist. Call it anecdotal, if you'd like.

    25. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off, in other states it's five feet.

    26. Re:Constant job changes are needed by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      "Cyclists" create traffic jams on a regular basis just by mere crawling on the lane that normally is moving at 40 mph.

      Since most of the cyclists are well-to-do politically active leftist yuppies this tiny minority of population force the laws like ("cars must be three feet away from the bicycle"). As a result, mere passing by a cyclist becomes illegal.

      And that universal answer: "I have a right..." No, you do not have a right to impede traffic, dumbass.

      I respect Guatemalan cyclists - I do not respect their illegal status in the country, but I respect that they cycle out of real necessity: they do not have money either for a car or for "public" transportation that cost almost as much as owning a car.

      The solution is NOT building bike lanes. The solution is creating more diverse systems of public transportation (in my area all that we have is giant empty buses).

      Why is it that in vast majority of countries public microbus transportation is private and profitable except developed countries?

      Nobody wants to ride a bus with a foul mouthed teenagers.

      Google offers correct solution for their workers: company based public transportation that guarantees that your fellow riders make six figures and less likely to engage in anti-social behavior on public transportation. No wonder, leftist imbeciles attack this mode on a regular basis.

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    27. Re:Constant job changes are needed by havana9 · · Score: 1

      About bike paths I have noticed that when they're built aren't well planned and cyclist aren't using them anyway. Especially the ones with a racing bike or those that are delivering foods, because I suppose they have to go slower in the bike paths than on pedestrian sidewalk or the road. I agree that changing place to work means that it's normally difficult to have a job at a walking or biking distance.

    28. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bragging ("I wasn't feeling well so I only biked 50 miles this weekend").

      Dude, this is just 80 kilometers. Which is 40 kilometers per day for the whole weekend assuming it consists of two days. This mileage would only be a problem for people with some serious medical condition and is hardly bragging.

    29. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly this is very true. I love riding my bike, but would never do it during rush hour on a road with heavy traffic. Dangerous as fuck.

    30. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      Near Cleveland, Ohio here. Same exact situation. I suspect that's the case throughout much of the country. Our lefties here openly admit that the goal is not to encourage biking, but to discourage driving and to make it as difficult and inconvenient as possible. What has happened is that the roughly halved capacity of our arterial road network has pushed traffic onto local residential streets. Less so than if Cleveland had not lost more than two thirds of its population over the past half century. But still enough to really annoy and frustrate the dwindling handful of people who actually live there. It provides yet another reason for those who haven't fled to distant suburbs already to do so. No bike lanes on the freeways. Not yet anyway.

    31. Re:Constant job changes are needed by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Exactly. In an ideal world, I would love to bike to work, and have tried it off and on in the past, but:

      1) Safety - I'm not hugely risk averse, but cycling injuries seem to be more a question of when than if, and minor mishaps that would be inconsequential in a car can easily be catastrophic on a bicycle. Driver blindness to bicycles and motorcycles is a real thing, and the potential jeopardy is multiplied when a small miscalculation can send you flying through the air.
      2) Weather - Sometimes the temperature difference between morning and evening can vary by +/-20F, or more. That's to say nothing of precipitation, which requires its own set of accommodations, preparations, and adaptability. Storms are often unpredictable in spring and summer months, and braking is often unpredictable in wet weather.
      3) Hygiene - Workplace showers, where they exist, are often contested during the time they're most needed, and it seems like there's always mildew, slow-draining basins, or something else to make me regret my decision to use them. Also I don't want to take 2-3 showers every day, especially in the winter when dry skin is already an issue.
      4) Time - I average about 12MPH on bike, and 23MPH by car, including time stopped at lights or in traffic.
      5) Mechanical Issues - Flat tires are an inevitability of biking, and chain derailments are a close second. It's less of an issue to deal with them when I'm out on a weekend ride, but when I'm on a schedule it's just one more thing I need to prepare and allow time for.

      True, I have been able to appreciate some stunning mornings with beautiful weather, but I've also frozen my arse off, narrowly avoided harrowing collisions, replaced brand new inner tubes twice on the same day, been utterly drenched and splashed with filthy road water, gotten stuck in a freak snowstorm, had to ride home with no headlight in the dark from a dead battery (both dangerous and illegal where I lived), and broken a pedal resulting in smashing my nuts on the top tube and walking my bike the better part of 5 miles home. It's just not worth it to me.

    32. Re:Constant job changes are needed by fropenn · · Score: 1

      1) Bicycling can be safe - just don't ride on the streets. I wouldn't bike to work if I had to ride on streets, as the safety issue is real and competing with traffic is very dangerous.

      2) There's no bad weather. Just bad gear. Just keep a small bad-weather gear in your knapsack.

      3) Just carry a change of clothes and don't bicycle so vigorously where you generate tremendous amounts of sweat (at least on the way to work).

      4) Bicycling can take longer, but now you also have your workout for the day done, so it is probably overall a time-saver.

      5) Buy a better bike. Do routine maintenance (just like you would do on a car). I have over 2,000 miles on the bike this year and I've had 1 flat tire. (I have had 1 flat tire in the same amount of time on my car, although the car went about 10,000 miles.)

    33. Re:Constant job changes are needed by fropenn · · Score: 1

      You can say the same thing about marathon runners, "healthy" food zealots, sports-car nuts, angry sports fans, dance competitors, dog moms / dads, etc. etc. etc...

      The bad behaviors don't come from the activity itself - it comes from assholes who happen to be engaged in these activities. Every activity / hobby has them, unfortunately.

    34. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Google screwed up the bus though near its headquarters. Before Google there was a private shuttle used by all companies in the region, and it ran from the Shoreline area to the Caltrain station. Then there was the Microsoft-only shuttle that appeared, and later a Google-only shuttle. So then getting to and from the train station was a problem if you weren't Google. Though maybe in a few years when Google owns all companies in the area it won't matter...

    35. Re:Constant job changes are needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, the speed limit on city streets is 30mph, at least in my area. That's not too bad of a difference.

      Agreed that 40mph to 15mph is absurd, though.

    36. Re:Constant job changes are needed by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      You are a zealot providing advice to a consumer and your advice reflects. Just FYI in case you wonder why people tune you out.

  7. Cleveland and Tampa? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like good news for the people of Cleveland and Tampa. Can't imagine how awful it was biking through the snow and rain and humid heat and everything else those cities will throw at you.

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    1. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by tsa · · Score: 2

      We’ve been doing that for decades here in the Netherlands.

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    2. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      I think Cleveland runs quite a bit colder than Amsterdam. And Tampa definitely runs quite a bit hotter...

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    3. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your mom's LA ghetto basement is damp and smells like your wasted life... go outside fatass, run around. You know nothing about Amsterdam.

    4. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Cleveland tends to run 3-4 deg C cooler in the winter, and Tampa runs 8-10 deg C warmer in the summer. I'll be in Amsterdam in early Feb for the ISE Europe show, if you'd like to talk in person...

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    5. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      In Copenhagen, Denmark, I have commuted (on bicycle) with temperatures ranging from -10C through 32C without problems. Just gotta adjust your clothing and pace. I don't use specialized bicycle gear, just regular clothes.

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    6. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      In Copenhagen, Denmark, I have commuted (on bicycle) with temperatures ranging from -10C through 32C without problems.

      Let me know next time you have to do 32C+ for, say, seven months straight. Which is a mild summer for Tampa....

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    7. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      compared to amsterdam, cleveland gets considerably colder, for longer, and with 60+ inches of snow vs trace amounts; AND has humid and hotter summer with more rainfall....

      amsterdam also has coffeeshops, while cleveland only has a 2-hour drive (each way) to michigan .

    8. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a person that lives in Tampa, biking to work is pretty much an impossibility except the months of dec-feb give or take a month, unless your commute to work by bike is only a couple blocks. It is so hot here the other part of the year that you'll be completely drenched and sweaty. If your workplace doesn't have provisions like an on-site gym with a shower where you could shower off after your bike ride to work, you're going to be sitting there for 8hours to wallow in your sweaty stench and probably annoy all your coworkers with the stench as well.

      Vast majority of people in Tampa also live in suburbia and drive to another part of suburbia for work if not driving all the way across the bay to the pinellas side for work. Pretty much your average commute around here is probably 10-15miles

    9. Re: Cleveland and Tampa? by reanjr · · Score: 1

      And you don't shower when you get in?

    10. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure that Denmark doesn't have the tropical humidity that Tampa has to contend with. With the humidity hovering around 80% on average your sweat does not evaporate to cool you, so you sweat more and are a wet sopping mess by the time you attempted any kind of lengthy commute by bike.

      Tampa also does not have winters like most places. We get cold fronts on a weeklyish basis in the winter, so our winters on average are around 80F then will drop down in to the 60's for a couple days when a front goes though, then you're right back up to the 80's again till the next front.

      Right now as i type this in Tampa we just had another front come though. My thermometer says its 61F with 69% humidity. Two days ago it was in the 80's with 88% humidity.

    11. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Great! Cleveland spends weeks at a time with -5 deg C as normal, runs around 1.8m of snowfall a year, and 47 days with snow on the ground. I lived in Belgium for a few years, and I'd much rather live there - climate-wise - than in Cleveland. The winters are MUCH milder in Belgium/Netherlands than in Cleveland.

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    12. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Tolerant leftist is tolerant!

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    13. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      This summer we had two months of 30C+ IIRC, which was the warmest and most sunny summer on record. And if you can do it for a week straight, you can do it for seven months.

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    14. Re: Cleveland and Tampa? by Zumbs · · Score: 2

      Yeah, usually. And I bring a fresh T-Shirt. But if there were no showers at work, I could just change the T-Shirt and apply some deodorant. It depends on distance, how fast you are cycling, the weather and how well your clothes are adjusted to the weather.

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    15. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      We usually have three weeks of snow cover each year. Denmark is typically a bit colder than Belgium/Netherlands, but not as cold as Cleveland. We do get some periods where it gets really cold. Some years back we had a longer period with -10C, but on an average winter it rarely drops below -5C for more than a few days at a time. And the temperature is usually around 0C in winter.

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    16. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by tsa · · Score: 1

      If you think that caring for people is Nazism then I don't need to talk to you.

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    17. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Yep, the further North (or, typically inland) you go, the colder winter is! However the original discussion was about Amsterdam and Cleveland/Tampa. Amsterdam doesn't get nearly as bad as Copenhagen - which is not as bad as Cleveland in the winter. And I don't think anyone who's been to both in the summer would say that Amsterdam is as hot or humid as Tampa...

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    18. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Netherlands has reasonable bike paths, though I don't like the paving stones. Not every place in the US has the same terrain as the Netherlands. The US has pretend bike paths -- some lines painted at the side of the road -- that don't separate you from traffic, and which are painted on the street in places where it is unsafe to use them. In addition, debris accumulates in the "bike paths," either possibly causing you to crash, or requiring swerving into traffic lanes to avoid the debris.

      Where there are dedicated bike paths, they have to be shared with pedestrians, they are too narrow, they have lengthwise concrete seams that can trap your wheels, and they are not maintained. In addition, where they are not adjacent to a road, they tend to attract criminals and vagrants.

      Cyclists are frequently killed in cycling meccas like Silicon Valley.

    19. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Temperature in Denmark is not comparable to Tampa for 1 important reason, humidity. It rains every day in the summer making road conditions poor and humidity not just unbearable...the humidity is quite lethal to normal human beings. As an avid FL cyclist I can say I've seen enough heat exhaustion cases lead to the hospital to know cycling in the late afternoon during the summer is not advisable.

      I used to ride to work, I had to wait until after 7PM to return home during the summer and it was only possible because there was a shower at work. Not even dry fit clothing would survive a leisurely 5 mile bike ride in the summer without being drenched all the way through.

    20. Re: Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, usually. And I bring a fresh T-Shirt. But if there were no showers at work, I could just change the T-Shirt and apply some deodorant. It depends on distance, how fast you are cycling, the weather and how well your clothes are adjusted to the weather.

      You can shower before work and get the same results.

      It's not sweat that gets stinky, it's sweat+bacteria: so if your body is clean before heading out the door, you're fine for the rest of the day. I just wear lycra during the commute, and once I've cooled down, change into my civvies.

    21. Re: Cleveland and Tampa? by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Yes it's the bacteria. The bacteria which starts reproducing wildly as soon as you start sweating. You may be fortunate enough to have minimal B.O. but what you're describing is not a workable strategy for most people. You sweat at 9AM, you absolutely need a shower before 5PM.

    22. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure. Hi there from a regular cyclist from Sydney Australia. Where 32C is just a coolish summer day.

    23. Re: Cleveland and Tampa? by thedarb · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't want to work next to your stinky sweaty self. Go home!

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    24. Re: Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of your coworkers hate you for your stench, you oblivious lug!

    25. Re:Cleveland and Tampa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cleveland is right in the snow belt off the great lakes. Nasty winters with freezing rain, The worst conditions to ride a bike on the road. Both from a comfort level and from lack of visibility

  8. I have too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to bike to work everyday, but lately some days I walk to work to enjoy the outdoors more. Suck it, hicks.

    1. Re: I have too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For years I walked to work... in Houston, and it was glorious. One block on what felt like the surface of the sun, the other dozen in the subterranean air conditioned comfort of the downtown tunnel system.

  9. Cleveland and Tampa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In at least two American cities -- Cleveland and Tampa -- the number of bike commuters has dropped by 50%.

    That would be big news if Cleveland or Tampa were of any importance.

    1. Re:Cleveland and Tampa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave football out of this

  10. Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    Motorcycle safety Quote:

    "Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car. ... Motorcycle rider deaths were nearly 30 times more than drivers of other vehicles. Motorcycle riders aged below 40 are 36 times more likely to be killed than other vehicle operators of the same age."

    1. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know two guys who bike to work everyday - or did, anyway. One has had something like 7 concussions. The other was just found on the side of the road and had no idea what happened to him. Mr. 7 concussion still bikes, but not Mr. side of road.

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    2. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Greyfox · · Score: 2

      I've witnessed two accidents involving bikes and cars. Both times I'd lay fault on the guy on the bike and neither one of them was fortunately seriously injured, but it did kill the hell out of their bikes and ruin both their day and the guy in the car's day. I've also seen a motorcycle run of the road by a car that tried to side-swipe it. Given how inattentive drivers are now to even other cars, riding a bike out on the roads seems a wee bit too dangerous to me.

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    3. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup. The accidents are very often not the fault of the motorcycle driver. Or the bicycle rider. Things on the road that are not autos are often difficult to see for many reasons, and not just because some people are stupid. Blind spots abound in automobiles. Now going further than this and having a bike not be in an expected place like the bike line but instead cutting across multiple lanes of traffic without signaling will just compound everything (get off the damn bike, stop at the light, and put your foot on the ground instead of weaving around while you try to keep your balance).

      For example, it was very common for me to experience autos passing my motorcycle within my own lane. That is, instead of getting all the way over into the lane to the left, they'd straddle the line between the lanes so that their car was just a few inches from my knee. And tailgating was so amazingly common, which is highly dangerous because the motorcycle can't safely slow down.

      But my solution was to stop using a motorcycle. I didn't go and play the victim card or demand that the city institute new rules. If I ended up in a hospital bed it wouldn't matter at all if it was my fault or not.

    4. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This a million times over. I used to try to bike to work, back when I lived 4 miles away. I gave up the first summer. No bike trails meant I had to hang out with all of the monster SUVs that were too busy texting to care about me - 4 too-close-calls in 2 weeks. My hours were 7am to 7pm most days, which put me in the dark much of the time. No showers at work meant I had to get creative about hygiene. Short of it? It was a dangerous hassle, my time much better spent in the car or at the gym next door.

    5. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      as though any of that applies to cyclists. Why has /. posters become so ignorant?

    6. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      More made up "facts" that no one can challenge.

      No experienced cyclist would tolerate such frequent collisions and injuries without doing something about it long before 7 concussions. That's just stupid.

      I knew a Mr. Bad Decision that once suffered brain damage from not riding a bike but was cured once he started bicycle commuting.

    7. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Sure call me a liar, but statistics are in my favor here. Biking is not a safe activity compared to driving.

      I agree, by the way. The guy that continues to cycle despite his concussions is a bit deranged. His wife is begging him to stop. But he's very experienced and very dedicated. He keeps trying to convince me to let him show me a "safe" route to work. Yeah, no thanks buddy.

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    8. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      In one California case a few years ago, a police officer plowed into a cyclist while texting. By using his Cop Immunity(tm) he got away without any punishment, even though the victim was a Silicon Valley CEO.

    9. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good that ceo got what was coming to him.

    10. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recall reading about a CA cop who over cooked a curve into the oncoming lane and plowed into four cyclists, killing, I think two. MAYBE Mt. Tamalpais (sp?) He got manslaughter.

    11. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about?

    12. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Motorcycle safety Quote:

      "Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car. ... Motorcycle rider deaths were nearly 30 times more than drivers of other vehicles. Motorcycle riders aged below 40 are 36 times more likely to be killed than other vehicle operators of the same age."

      And half of all motorcycle accidents involved alcohol. Further, a lot of idiots aren't wearing helmets:

      53. Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident.

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_findings_in_the_Hurt_Report
      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_Report

      You can seriously reduce your risk profile by (a) not drinking and driving, and (b) not being a squid.

    13. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      Cycling is more dangerous than driving, sure. There aren't great statistics but it is several hundred fatalities per year in the US. The risk isn't substantially higher than driving, if you consider the health benefits. There are many hundreds of thousands of people every year who safely drive to work and have a fatal heart attack or stroke due to lack of exercise.

      Anecdotally, I"ve done about 20k miles of cycle commuting in the last several years with no accidents and the 5k of driving I have been rear ended while stopped in traffic twice.

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    14. Re:Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, of course, we've all been in car accidents and that's the point - the roads are very dangerous with all those big hunks of metal on the road. Better to be IN one than ON one. The city with its bike lanes and shoulders is one thing, but when you are in the old inner ring suburbs with its 100-year-old converted farm roads with no shoulder, it is terrifying. People come right up behind you and "tailgate" you if you stay in the lane, and if you move to the side they nearly clip you with their mirrors as they almost universally fail to give you the legal 4 ft. I use my bike for recreation, and I stay on trails and quiet roads. I could probably map out a route that keeps me (mostly) off such roads, but it would be very long and would still need to funnel under the railroad tracks at several places on the main roads at some point.

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  11. Not worth it by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    Not worth it unless you have a death wish. Also what are you supposed to do in the summer when its hot and humid already in the morning? Get to work and be soaked with sweat? Plus around here we have these things called hills. Some of which are over 20% grade.

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    1. Re:Not worth it by sedman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Worth it is in the eye of the beholder.

      My commute is 18 miles one way and while I don't do it every day, I do commute year round. As to the 20% grades, I have a couple of them I have to deal with each way. There is a significant investment of time to do this, but it beats going to a gym.

      Living in a rural area, the death wish part really only comes into play once I it the city where I work. I've had more close calls in the final two miles than the rest of the commute by several orders of magnitude.

    2. Re:Not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just a fat pussy either way. Die in an SUV instead, that's fine flabby coward lol.

    3. Re: Not worth it by reanjr · · Score: 1

      And so you arrive to work after a workout but without taking a shower? And your coworkers don't hate you?

    4. Re: Not worth it by sedman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since work has a show facility, all of us that commute are smelling fresh by the time we sit down at our desks to work.

    5. Re:Not worth it by dwpro · · Score: 1

      Been commuting 5 years now in Texas, and despite the heat and danger I'm still at it. I enjoy the commute, and feel like it's only slightly more dangerous than my truck.

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    6. Re: Not worth it by reanjr · · Score: 1

      I find it absolutely hilarious that people push for cycling without mentioning the fact that it's a complete non-starter unless you have a shower at work. Do you really think that's normal?

    7. Re:Not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Electric bikes are pretty common now. They take hills like nothing.

    8. Re: Not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I biked in for a few years without an onsite shower. Just packed a washcloth and took a 'sink shower' and changed clothes. It was fine.

      -dave

  12. Fewer people fibbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When O was president the world was going to be saved by unicorns and magic pixie dust; everyone had solar panels on their roof and bicycled to work. Now that reality has set in people admit that neither was ever true (but at least they have jobs now).

    1. Re: Fewer people fibbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky lucky lucky. Thatâ(TM)s how I feel about bikers who act like total fools and donâ(TM)t get killed. After all there is a phrase called like riding a bike or something? Heres to your health

    2. Re: Fewer people fibbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slow news day? The other thing the big O said was you could keep your doctor. I still have my doctors so maybe he was sort of correct once upon a time?

  13. Re: Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amazing that it was not worse. Even more amazing the way you told the tale.

  14. I borrowed a shit-ton of money from China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to buy a suburban palace built from "engineered wood" with 3 bedrooms and 5 toilets, and a Tesla and powerwall to go with it. I feel smug and entitled, why should I ride a bike like a poor person?

    Unproductive consumption of goods is honorable as a mark of prowess and a perquisite of human dignity!

    1. Re:I borrowed a shit-ton of money from China by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention that while you don't have a bike, you do have a $2500 Peloton in that spare bedroom, and it holds up the extra bedspread quite well...

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    2. Re:I borrowed a shit-ton of money from China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Projection is strong with this one.

    3. Re: I borrowed a shit-ton of money from China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Peloton does make a handsome hanger!

    4. Re:I borrowed a shit-ton of money from China by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      ... a $2500 Peloton in that spare bedroom, and it holds up the extra bedspread quite well...

      There is a valid reason for that: when you do ride somewhere, there are not many safe places to park a $2500 Peloton.

  15. Not gas, not cost by markdavis · · Score: 5, Informative

    >"Experts offered several explanations for the nationwide decrease that has unfolded even as cities spent millions trying to become more bike-friendly. Most obviously, lower gasoline prices and a stronger economy contributed to strong auto sales and less interest in cheaper alternatives, such as mass transit and bikes."

    No. Who are these "experts"??

    Almost nobody rides a bike to work to "save gas." For most, if he/she is within easy biking range, that doesn't amount to much gas. And it isn't cost either. Those biking do so primarily for exercise, possible enjoyment, and in some cases to reduce wear on their car (short start/stop trips are rough on ICE cars, plus they sit in the sun parked all day). For most it is certainly not as fast or convenient, especially in bad weather. And it is often very unsafe, certainly if it requires ANY riding on major/busy roads.

    I bike almost every day to work and have for many years, but I also live 0.5mi from work. Yes, I also sometimes walk, but typically want to get there/home faster and also biking deters being stopped for conversations with neighbors :)

    1. Re:Not gas, not cost by MrKevvy · · Score: 2

      Cost was initially a major factor for me. With gas/oil, mandatory insurance, parking, maintenance, tickets and the vehicle itself, I estimated I saved $10-12K a year not having a vehicle. Add to that $800 a year in health club membership I didn't need anymore, as I get enough exercise biking 9.5km to work (10x as far away) and back five times a week. Since I was strapped for cash at the time, I switched to biking and now would not go back even though I could.

      It's not only cheaper but faster than transit to get to work (25 mins. vs. 45 mins. on the subway even living right by a subway station) or getting anywhere in the core, never get stuck in traffic or in one of the endless subway outages due to suicides or signal issues, never have to worry about finding parking, if I get a flat or worse I can take it on any transit anytime (it's a folder), I can ride in any weather condition better than -12C or heavy snow (have ridden in gale-force rain and was fine,) and do almost all of my shopping with it with a carrier and backpack. Once you're used to it, it's an ideal transportation for cities.

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    2. Re:Not gas, not cost by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"Cost was initially a major factor for me. With gas/oil, mandatory insurance, parking, maintenance, tickets and the vehicle itself, I estimated I saved $10-12K a year not having a vehicle."

      My assumption is/was that most people just can't adequately survive without also having a car (I have a car, motorcycle, and bicycle). Especially led that way in my response based on the silliness of the summary saying "saving gas" (which implies they have a car and choose not to use it). I probably should have specified that in my original posting. Sorry about that.

    3. Re:Not gas, not cost by jhecht · · Score: 1

      One person bicycling to work can save the cost of a second car in a family or two-person household. I did that for years when my kids were young and I was working a few miles away, and the savings was important to our budget.

    4. Re:Not gas, not cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I estimated I saved $10-12K a year not having a vehicle

      You’re a fucking retard. Cars don’t cost that much a year. I have two cars and I don’t spend that much. Parking is free. Do the maintenance yourself you lazy faggot. It only costs $50 per year. Gas is cheep. I only spend $20 every week for gas. That’s $1040 per year. Insurance only costs $800 per year. A car will last 10 years at a minimum. So a $25,000 is only $2500 per year. Grand total a car only costs $4000 per year.

    5. Re:Not gas, not cost by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      Amen. It's almost as though the authors know nothing about bicycle commuting.

      I commute 6 miles each way. Total time is basically the same as by car, but I get my exercise in at the same time. It is health decision.

    6. Re:Not gas, not cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The $10-12K includes all his tickets.

    7. Re: Not gas, not cost by reanjr · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry you're so poor you don't even realize how much a low-end luxury car costs.

    8. Re:Not gas, not cost by MrKevvy · · Score: 1

      "Anonymous Coward" sums you up very well.

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    9. Re: Not gas, not cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I’m not poor. I have more than enough cash on hand to buy a Porsche 718 Cayman GTS. I’m just smarter with my money than forgot incels like you.

    10. Re:Not gas, not cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Faggot" sums you up very well.

    11. Re:Not gas, not cost by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      You’re a fucking retard. Cars don’t cost that much a year.

      Maybe he lives where there are Massachusetts taxes and Boston drivers.

    12. Re:Not gas, not cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then he shouldn’t act like his situation is the norm.

    13. Re: Not gas, not cost by reanjr · · Score: 1

      That Porsche is at the low end of the luxury price range, and it will cost you about $6k a year without insurance, maintenance, gas, and parking. You just clearly demonstrated that cars cost $10k/year, you dumb fuck.

  16. People Drive To Avoid in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Driving in the US helps you avoid all the homeless people using public transport or walking. The decision may not be entirely conscious, though it isn't uncommon to find human waste on a seat used for public transport (usually urine, really nasty if it is in fabric seats like those used on BART in SF). The rise in homelessness is likely causing more driving to avoid the problems in US communities like homelessness due to drug addiction and mental illness (or "learned helplessness"). A vehicle in America is essentially a container that can limit what problems you may experience on a day-to-day basis.

    1. Re:People Drive To Avoid in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't confuse San Fransicko with the rest of the US. That place is a foreign culture to any other on the face of the planet.

      I really do wish California would get serious about seceding from the US. I hate those bitches.

    2. Re:People Drive To Avoid in the US by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of homeless people riding in cars as well. Especially in CA, with housing costing 10x per month what a car costs, it makes financial sense to vacate your apartment before selling your car. You can sleep in your car, but you can't drive your house. Factoring in the dual-purpose, you could get 20x the bang for your buck paying for a car instead of an apartment unit.

      I am guessing a lot of these 'missing' bike riders are the working homeless. Now in Florida, probably Ohio too, the spread wasn't so wide between rent and car payments. But recently housing prices have increased much faster than car prices. Last year they could afford an apartment within biking distance. This year they can't, so they are living (and thus commuting) in their cars.

      Californians have been dealing with this for decades now, but the rest of the country is doing its best to catch up in the homelessness business.

    3. Re: People Drive To Avoid in the US by reanjr · · Score: 1

      America getting rid of CA is like the housewife getting rid of her bread-earning husband.

    4. Re: People Drive To Avoid in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in the Sf area for years and I agree with the previous poster. It is insane that the rest of the country lets California behave the way we do. This is a shit stain of a state and I cant wait to get out of here. The rest of the country should kick us out.

    5. Re: People Drive To Avoid in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America cutting off CA would go a long way to solving our demographic problem. Enjoy your diversity! I hear it is a strength.

    6. Re: People Drive To Avoid in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the 1950's, us housewives can earn our own living, thanks.

    7. Re:People Drive To Avoid in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean to say, "we rich people drive to avoid you, the plebs".

    8. Re: People Drive To Avoid in the US by reanjr · · Score: 1

      And yet, 70 years later, those women still aren't earning as much as the men they left.

  17. Too many drivers texting... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    It is dangerous on a bicycle on the public roads nowadays.

    1. Re:Too many drivers texting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's dangerous for people in cars. It's dangerous at McDonalds and Gold's Gym. 2/3 of the crust is ocean which can drown you. Living like a pussy because of what might happen is bad moral advice.

    2. Re:Too many drivers texting... by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I believe all of the Earth's crust is crust. I don't believe I saw anyone giving moral advice. (Or advice of any kind.) You seem to either not comprehend what you are reading, or don't quite understand what these words mean. Very proficient with the word "pussy" though - at least nobody will mistake you for a "faggot" or a "snowflake". But you might want to brush up on, well, everything else, unless you want to spend the summer between 9th and 10th grade in school.

    3. Re:Too many drivers texting... by Dusanyu · · Score: 1

      I Stopped biking, and walking outside of my residential neighborhood because of this, too many near hits people drive lately like they have there head up there arse.

  18. Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who the fuck wants to get all sweaty riding a bike to work? Very few people work in ivory tower places like google or apple that have shower facilities and juice cleanse bars. Most people are lucky to get a break room at work.

    Where I work (a Fortune 100 Corp.) we literally have only 6 toilets and 3 urinals for 250 people in the building where my office is located.

    I don't want to sit there all nasty and sweaty and I don't want to smell anyone else who just rode a bike into work.

    1. Re:Inconvenient as hell... by lhaeh · · Score: 0

      If riding a bicycle gets you all sweaty, maybe you're not in very good shape. Perhaps you should get some exercise by... riding a bicycle.

        I only sweat in the summer when I'm really riding hard.

    2. Re:Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Human beings sweat when they exercise, that's just biology. Certain individual physiologies vary by different amounts, but everyone sweats during exertion. I'd guess you just don't ride very hard or have some sort of gland disorder.

    3. Re:Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Countries where biking is safe (because many people do it) all focus on cycling that is not done as a sport. Upright biking at moderate speeds (10-15mph) is normal and the infrastructure accommodates it. If you want more people to ride bikes, don't shame them for not being in shape, not riding fast or not having the "right" bike. American "cycling culture" seems very hostile to everyday people. That is understandable, considering how hostile the road environment is to cyclists, but it's also putting off more people from cycling. Learn to embrace the needs of the normal people, even if you're the type who also "rides hard".

    4. Re:Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you aren't sweating when you cycle ... maybe you should make the bike move?
      Muscles are about 20% efficient. The other 80% produces heat. If you'd used them, you'd have noticed.

    5. Re: Inconvenient as hell... by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Or maybe you don't understand physiology.

    6. Re:Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If riding a bicycle didn't get me sweaty, I'd only have gone a mile or two. In order to get from my home to my office, its almost 27 miles one way. So, yeah - I'd sweat getting to the office and home. And it'd be even further since those distances involve freeways. Did I mention that the time (on the freeway, in the car) is 41 minutes on average. On a bicycle it'd likely be an hour and a half each way.

      Did I mention - I've got a family who *also* need to get places - school bus stop in the morning where its 2 miles across a major state road with no crosswalks, sports practice at night hauling their gear and them.

        Live inside of a major city, and commute a mile or so to work and where *everything* is otherwise within walking distance. A bike works fine. Live out in the country (or even most suburbs) and/or have a family and the bike is nothing more than something to do for exercise or entertainment with the kids on the weekend.

      So - kindly go fuck yourself for thinking that what works for you will work for everyone else throughout the US.

    7. Re:Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And those generally are European countries where *everything* is pretty much within walking distance anyway, and they generally have outstanding public transportation where anti-social cunts and filthy homeless drug addict bums don't congregate and ruin it for the other passengers who would rather be in their own cars if their circumstances were different. Its easy to get around by bike in Copenhagen or Amsterdam. Try commuting that way from, say, the South Jersey bedroom communities to the office in Philly.

      Bicycling in places like India and China? Dangerous as fuck because their nouveau riche are now able to afford cars and the rest of the population bicycles only because they can't afford a car.

    8. Re:Inconvenient as hell... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Depending one where you are, there may be other options.

      Check the train schedule where you live. I used to work about 35 miles from home (if I drove on the freeway). I'd bike a couple of days a week to the train station, 15 miles away. I'd take the train in and then bike the last mile or two. Total time way about an hour-and-a-half, versus 45 minutes or so on the freeway.

      No shower at the office? Sponge bath. Wash your cycling clothes in the sink and hang them up. Problem solved.

      As for the family, you really can't teach your kids how to cross the street? You have to drive them two miles? Hell, when I was a kid, I used to run more than two miles a day. And, no, I didn't live in a city.

      You should check out Let Grow and give your kids some independence and get yourself off the "must cater to the kids" treadmill.

    9. Re: Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out here in the real world, most offices have showers. Most of the year, you won't need them if you don't try to set a speed record, however.

    10. Re:Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's the kicker - depending upon where you are.

      Train? Doesn't work for me and my family, schedule-wise.

      Shower? Are you out of your mind with a sponge bath? Seriously? You may have a physiology that supports it, but many (I'd argue most) people will continue to sweat for several minutes after stopping exertion. For me - I'm what one would call hirsute... Sweat just sits there on my body so an *actual* shower is a requirement.

      Teaching my kids to cross the street. Sure - if there were a cross-street and a stop sign/light. Tell you what - I'll ask you to teach your grade-school kids to cross a major state road where cars exceed the 55mph speed limit (70mph is routinely achieved) *during* the morning rush hour at 7am. Tell me how you make out.

      In South Jersey where I live, its a rare in-between where it is rural enough that typical city transit services don't exist - you have to travel far enough to get to a train or bus stop and *then* wait for service and *then* wait for it to go where you need to go, that people who have cars are better off doing their commute that way instead. Move a little further west and the suburbs become a little better. Live in a place like Collingswood or Haddonfield and PATCO is viable. live along a fairly narrow north-south strip between Burlington and Camden and the River Line is viable. For everyone else, the car is the only safe way to get from point A to point B.

      And it doesn't even matter if I didn't have kids whereby I could possibly take the AC Line from Atco to Pennsauken and then bike the rest of the way into Camden - you (1) take your life into your own hands doing *anything* in Camden that doesn't involve taking PATCO to the train station across the street from the Methadone clinic or drive a car, since most of the ways into the place that don't involve going through dangerous-as-fuck neighborhoods require you to traverse roadways without adequate shoulder space for cyclists; and (2) the only rail line close by my house is out of service anyway for installation of positive train control - that 4 months advertised means at least 8-9 months, given NJ's corruption and incompetence.

    11. Re: Inconvenient as hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What real world is that? Certainly not where *most* people work.

      Of the 5 different office buildings I've resided in with my current employer, *none* of them had shower facilities. One other building on our main campus has shower facilities - for emergency decontamination type use.

      Someone working as, say, an auto mechanic, or an electrician, or a cashier in a grocery store? Yeah right.

      Clean, sanitary shower facilities are extremely rare outside of ivory tower places of employment.

      Depending upon where you live and work? You *will* need them more than half the year. Hell - even places like Maine can get into the 80s and 80% humidity in the summer. *Anywhere* in the south? That's the norm for 9-10 months of the year.

  19. Is there a leadership? by Max_W · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does any leader of the US congress or the US government commute to work by bicycle?

    1. Re:Is there a leadership? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earl Blumenauer

  20. I do, even in the snow. by lhaeh · · Score: 4, Informative

    I do, even in the snow, especially the snow actually. I find it takes less time for me to bike to work than to clear the snow off my car in the morning. When I got my job, I went online to look for a place to rent, I put my work's postal (zip) code into craigslist and sorted results for the closest. Bicycle ride is all of 10 minutes. I used to have an hour long commute, it was terrible, what a waste of my life. I'll take a tiny apt over a nice house rather than ever do that again. In the winter, my ride is all in the dark, so I have blindingly bright lights on my bike, no way someone won't see me. About 1/4 of my ride is on a bicycle path, so I get to see lots of nature, rabbits every day, and there is a homeless camp that provides some entertainment as well. That little bit of exercise in the morning wakes me up and leaves me feeling great coming in to work.

    1. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're gonna get yourself seriously injured or worse, no "if", only a matter of "when". Do you see motorcycles around in winter? Have you ever asked yourself why? Why doesn't that apply to your bike?

    2. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here except motorcycle. Traffic doesn't exist for me. Also I can hit dirt, public roads at full speed, etc. Can't do that on a bike. All you do is get in my way.

    3. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ride my motorcycle in the winter even with snow and ice on the roads. I ride a dual-sport and use super-grippy trials tires aired-down. It's fine though I don't get on the big high-speed roads due to the risk of other sliding cars hitting me.

      When there is deep snow my bike is the only vehicle I own that can get out to the road without days of shoveling.

    4. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It doesn't apply because bicycles operate at a lower speed, with less torque, and can travel in places motorcycles can't like parks and bike paths. It really isn't appreciably more dangerous in the winter.

    5. Re:I do, even in the snow. by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      Forget about that, the homeless camp is gonna take his bike and rape his ass at some point when they realize he sees them as entertaining.

    6. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is facing prison rape, that's true, but then again he's a traitor so it's ok.

    7. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just so you know, most select the longer commute and larger house, especially if you have kids.

    8. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's it like to live your life in fear?

    9. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then they wouldn't become a bunch of bike-riding smug cunts "...gentrifying this run-down city block, man..."

      Most people *don't* live in cities, 10 minutes away from everything.

    10. Re: I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most Americans do live in cities. Jist because a thousand little villages exist doesn't mean they have more people than one of the biggest cities. Much less all of them.

      You don't even know the population based definition of a city, do you?

    11. Re:I do, even in the snow. by lhaeh · · Score: 1

      I used to as well. I found a scooter with tires meant for a mini dirt bike worked very well. Scooters are preferred since they are lighter, lower center of gravity, thicker front tire, no gears, and better wind protection. I've got a dual sport too, but keep that just for the summer now. Handle bar heaters, muffs, and an apron/skirt make a big difference. Side skids/skis like some military winter motorcycles have would be nice.

    12. Re:I do, even in the snow. by lhaeh · · Score: 1

      Been since I was in middle school, I'm almost 40 now.

    13. Re:I do, even in the snow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about when the wolves see the light and see him as as quick source of food? The aliens will interpret the light signals as a form of provocation and attack earth because of him. When he's riding out, he'll swallow a fly and then he'll die. All because he chose to ride on a bicycle to work rather than the safe and sensible option of 30000 car fatalities every year.

  21. Hostile environment by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

    American towns & roads weren't designed with cyclists or pedestrians in mind, they were designed for the exclusive use of cars. It's an interesting exercise to attempt to retrofit US towns & cities to try to make them safer & more pleasant for cyclists but the fact remains, the distances, roads, etc., are mostly unsuitable. Also, most American towns are butt ugly, dirty, dangerous places to be without the protection of being inside a car. Yes, there are exceptions & congratulations to those lucky people who live in those areas.

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    1. Re:Hostile environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know, in the early 1900s, there was a major push for the US to pave its roads. A large part of that push came from lobbying by The League of American Wheelmen. That's a bicycle club sonny.

    2. Re:Hostile environment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American towns & roads weren't designed with cyclists or pedestrians in mind, they were designed for the exclusive use of cars.

      American towns & roads were designed for horse drawn carriages and horses. Pedestrians were given sidewalks. Cyclists insisted on smoother paved roads. Horseless carriages eventually arrived and were happy to have the smoother paved roads. Now horses and horse drawn carriages are mostly considered road hazards and the carriages are required to show a hazard triangle. Cyclists will eventually follow suit, but probably after the new electric scooters. Physics tells us that cyclists and scooters belong on sidewalks with pedestrians.

  22. tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The auto and oil companies bribe governments to make it illegal to ride without a helmet, so people choose to ride in cars.

  23. I've been to the states twice now. by AbRASiON · · Score: 2

    It's dangerous enough in Melbourne, I'll be *DAMNED* if I would *EVER* consider riding a bike on the roads in your country. That's some seriously dangerous roads.

    1. Re:I've been to the states twice now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's dangerous enough in Melbourne, I'll be *DAMNED* if I would *EVER* consider riding a bike on the roads in your country. That's some seriously dangerous roads.

      The roads are dangerous? How so?
      They are dangerous for bikes, yes, because they were never designed for them.

  24. It's the scooters, I tell ya'! by jtara · · Score: 1

    It's because they are taking to gol darn scooters!

    And God forbid you should try to WALK to work in any dense urban area. You are going to be MOWED OVER by scooters on the sidewalk!

    Pretty-much every form of transportation is now total shit-show, at least in said dense urban areas.

    - scooters/bikes/electric bikes on the sidewalks and streets

    - circling and double-parked Uber and Lyft cars with clueless and uncourteous drivers

    - handicapped spaces occupied by Uber/Lyft cars waiting for an assignment

    - Uber/Lyft cars stopping in dangerous places. (They stop unexpectedly to load/unload all the time near me in a red zone just past a train track, thus leaving cars on the track unable to move. There is a reason for the red zone. One of these days....)

    - roving bands of gangsters on the latest "low-rider" electric bike/scooters whatever they call those things (I guess they either are free for the first month, or they've figured out how to hack them already)

    Fortunately, this all resolves itself eventually. The scooters/bike will crash into unexpectedly-opened Uber/Lyft doors, which then will give the roving gangsters an opportunity to rob the Uber/Lyft driver and injured scooter/bike rider. This at least take some of the extra traffic off of the street for some period of time.

  25. I don't even ride a bike! by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Seriously ... I may be one of the only adults out there who can say this, but I never learned how to ride a bicycle. As a kid, growing up, I had all kinds of pedal cars, a tricycle or two, a "Big Wheel", etc. Any of them were good enough to ride up and down our street. And considering my dad had an accident as a teenager, when he was struck by a car delivering newspapers, that affected him the rest of his life? He wasn't all that willing to encourage me to get or ride a bicycle.

    Then, I got my driver's license - and bicycles quickly went out the window as things I had any interest in.

    These days? Sometimes I wish I could ride one ... but I have to do a 60 mile commute each way for work, plus occasionally visit other job sites. So it wouldn't be for that. And when I see the prices for decent bicycles these days .... Yeah, I'm not motivated to buy one and figure out how to ride it either, at this point in my life.

  26. um, let's see here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Get up and get ready for work
    2. Get tired and sweaty riding a bicycle 2 hours to work [and most employers do not have employee locker rooms and showers]
    3. Work for 8 hours
    4. Get seriously exhausted riding bicycle 2 hours home from work.
    5. Dread the next day, particularly if rain, sleet, or snow are in the forecast.

    What's not to like?

    It's fundamentally inefficient for society to ask workers to waste hours per day on a commute when the same travel could be done in a fraction of the time. The total number of man-years lost when employees bike to work is simply insane.

  27. hahaha by Zehsi · · Score: 1

    so that's why you're so fat...

  28. Telecommuting by reanjr · · Score: 2

    I imagine most of it's telecommuting. I'd guess there's significant overlap between bike-friendly employers and remote-friendly employers.

  29. Make biking great again by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Clean up the streets.
    No parked RV.
    No tent cities blocking paths and areas set aside for bikes.
    No waste and trash left out on the streets.
    Stop criminals from doing crime in nice city areas. Give good city police back their powers to enforce laws
    No open drug use.

    Make all US cities great again and good people can enjoy their bike commute again.
    Really nice scenic bike routes in and around cities.
    No more having to navigate crime infested urban areas with trash and waste.

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    1. Re:Make biking great again by dfghjk · · Score: 0

      It's not enough to invest in cycling infrastructure, enforcement needs to occur as well. Bike lanes are not for city buses, UPS drivers and delivery vehicles. I deal with at least a dozen vehicles illegally using bike lanes every day, plenty of them commercial and city vehicles. Cops are completely unconcerned.

      It would also be helpful for joggers and pedestrians to stay out of the lane and for scooters to respect that bike lanes are one way.

    2. Re:Make biking great again by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "Cops are completely unconcerned."
      Thats direct form the political leaders of big cities.
      Virtue signalling and political correctness allows city laws to stay unenforced. A few changes to city enforcement would make more bike use work for many more people.
      A car is then needed just to stay safe and away from crime, junk, trash and get to work.
      People want to bike but city politics make that extra difficult.
      Spending on light rail, bus, electric car parking, new bike paths to nowhere, then allowing the city crime rate to rise.
      Moving around trash, junk, criminals, blocked paths makes expensive bike use too difficult.

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  30. remote work by jemmyw · · Score: 1

    I stopped cycling because I work from home now. I don't live in the US, but could that be a reason for change?

    1. Re:remote work by aberglas · · Score: 1

      So did I. But I am not sure that it is a good thing. Two 20 minute rides every day was good for both my health and state of mind.

    2. Re:remote work by jemmyw · · Score: 1

      I also moved the the countryside and took up gardening. Good for the mind. Not as strenuous, but still it's something for the body.

  31. Right, everyone has suddenly moved to the burbs by dfghjk · · Score: 1

    Over the last 3 years? Totally unlikely.

  32. Re: Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads by reanjr · · Score: 1

    Drivers aren't as inattentive as cyclists willfullness to drive dangerously. There's a reason semi trailers tell you to stay out of their blind spots. If a car drives in a semi's blind spot and gets creamed, that's on the car's driver. Same for bikes in cars' blind spots.

  33. Sanity, not gas, not cost. by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2

    I bike because driving in SoCal is a shitshow. I've got to where I hate even being in a car, when I have to Uber. Luckily the weather makes that rare. I sold my truck am 400/month richer for that, and I don't have to play asshole roulette on the freeway anymore.

    As an added bonus, I get to give people shit when they say they want the government to do something about global warming, while they burn 80 gallons of gas every month.

  34. People's time is valuable ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... that's what's behind the time-savers like food and grocery deliveries and, recently, robotic snack deliveries of snacks on campus.

    Pepsi Is Testing a Snack Delivery Robot On Select College Campuses

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  35. Because Biking Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When I was a dental student, I would walk and bike to school all the time. It was a six mile ride, and I would arrive sweaty, sore, in a bad mood, and smelling like a jock strap. Then I would have to find a spot to park and chain my bike, hope no one vandalized it while I was in class, and do my best to make myself somewhat presentable for the day. Finally, I would return and bike home in the dark, barely able to see a thing in the light of a tiny LED headlamp. Half the time, I would end up pushing the bike home because a tire would blow, or the chain would pop off the derailleurs, or I would get hurt from hitting uneven areas of the sidewalk. Several times, my bike got vandalized. I did it only because I had little money.

    Today, I'm out of school, and I have some money. My commute is twenty miles. My Sonata PHEV is my own personalized air-conditioned relaxation chamber, with a 32 GB usb stick loaded with my favorite tunes and podcasts. I leave a little early to avoid traffic, and enjoy a leisurely commute with heated and cooled seats. When I leave the car, I exit even more relaxed than when I take a hot shower, and I look and smell as good as the moment I got in the car. My old bike sits in the corner of the garage, awaiting donation to Goodwill.

    As someone who used to bike every day, I'll tell you exactly why people are not biking to work as much: biking sucks major ass. I haven't missed it for a moment.

  36. Generally, it's too dangerous by Kreplock · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've bike-commuted to work in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and downtown Chicago. No matter how close you hug the shoulder, how courteous you try to be, a significant minority of auto drivers are insufferable cunts. They will cruise behind you and blast their horn for no reason, cut you off, hurl bottles and invective at you when passing, and cut you off while looking straight at you so you know it wasn't a mistake. At the end of the day their lives are not at all on the line. It's too dangerous, so I only do bike trails now. Yeah, I guess the fat fucks win.

    1. Re:Generally, it's too dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's much worse in Louisiana. They don't even have dedicated bike lanes along with drinking, driving, and occasional reckless murder is quite the past-time.

    2. Re:Generally, it's too dangerous by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      You are a sociopathic imbecile

      They honk at you because you are in the way, dumbass moron.

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  37. Priceless by dfghjk · · Score: 1

    Nothing quite like the viewpoint of someone who can't even ride a bike and knows literally nothing about the subject.

    1. Re:Priceless by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      Except I'm one more piece of the demographic who isn't riding a bike to or from work....

      And why would I know "absolutely nothing" about the subject, just because I don't ride a bike? Do you also feel people know absolutely nothing about the trucking industry because they don't work in the profession, and never drove a big rig? I guess nobody ever knows the first thing about automobiles without getting a driver's license and driving one either, right?

    2. Re:Priceless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess nobody ever knows the first thing about automobiles without getting a driver's license and driving one either, right?

      You can't know the first thing about automobiles until you have to repair one! The rear view mirror is not for putting on your lipstick! And if you brake with your left foot, you need to be horsewhipped and thoroughly deprogrammed with a flashy thingy.

  38. No way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have years of cycling experience and am fully able to ride 10+ miles to and from work on a daily basis. But thereâ(TM)s no way Iâ(TM)m going to ride in a bike lane and âoeshareâ the road with a bunch of speeding, texting, stop sign blowing, red light running, inconsiderate, distracted car drivers.

    Iâ(TM)ve seen all of it while riding the bike.

    Itâ(TM)s not safe.

    Itâ(TM)s not worth it.

    1. Re:No way by BlahSnarto · · Score: 1

      i stopped a year or two ago because of the air quality.. But i agree with the amount of clueless drivers..

  39. Sorry, my fault! by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

    I will try to drink less Sunday night and fight the urge to be lazy the next few weeks to get us back on track!

    Sadly, with cheap Lyft fares, it is easy to be lazy.

  40. the real reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The injury and death rate for cyclists is really high. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to do it anymore.

  41. Maybe more are now home officed folks by Tangential · · Score: 1

    More and more people work from home every year. Its reasonable to assume that some of them used to cycle to work. That may represent a part of the decline.

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  42. Biking danger risk by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Biking can be very efficient for moderate distances if bike paths most of the way. A decent shoulder usually ok but bad drivers abundant. Pedestrians have right away on sidewalks. I used to bike but after several incidents and to many close calls decided bike travel needs caution which Means long distances at speed increases risk. Since trucks deliver the stuff we need roads are primarily for autos. Support bikes but aware of limits to roads.

  43. Good by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    Biking to work is a stupid yuppie elitist idea. Should have died in the 1980s with flock of seagull haircuts.

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  44. I guess ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... people that actually have work to get to don't want to get dragged into the anti-automobile politics that left wing politicians are using cyclists for.

    Our city just put in some more bicycle lanes. The local news interviewed an owner of a bicycle courier service that has instructed his employees not to use the lanes. They have been configured to interfere with auto traffic more than actually move cyclists from point A to B and are dangerous as a result.

  45. I plotted the graph by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    https://factfinder.census.gov/...

    The trend is visible. After peaking in 2014 it steadily goes down.

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  46. The standard American appearance by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    I can't afford to show up at work sweating and rumpled. That has been the case since I quit my job at a pizza kiosk when I was 16. Where I live now (as in most of the American North) it would be too dangerous to bike to work in the winter. In the south where it's reasonable social change would need to happen far beyond concerns about health. To wit the whole concept of "looking professional" would have to change or companies would have to generally all offer showers, lockers, and a short break to change clothes upon arrival. This is aside from the fact that many Americans live much further from their jobs than Europeans, and without equivalent public transportation. We live in different societies. Deal with it.

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  47. Bike Crazies by speedlaw · · Score: 0

    And so we destroy road (road diets), put up hard bike lanes (hurts parking and business) just so a few entitled twits can bike to work. This is what, .001% of the commuters. NYC is the worst example.

    1. Re:Bike Crazies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NYC?! You're lucky you can drive a car on the streets in that hellhole. A decaying corpse from the Belle Époque.

  48. I take the Trumpmobile to work! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Yep... All American, babe! 6000 pounds of Pittsburgh Steel burning pure Kentucky coal

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  49. MAGA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bikes don't burn coal. Have to burn coal to MAGA.

    Don't bike commute! It doesn't pollute!

    Get a coal powered car.

  50. Maybe with the "coal rollers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, why bother anymore? Better to prepare for the "effects" of global warming.

  51. Is easy to bike to work by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 0

    If:

    1) You are lucky enough to live close to where you work
    2) The weather allows it
    3) You don't need to carry much with you
    4) The traffic doesn't kill you

    My commute for fifteen years was ~100 miles round trip. Let's see you bike that one every day.
    Where I live, it's 90f by 8am with humidity typically hovering around the 60-70% mark in the Summer. Have fun.
    What's your plan when you go to leave work and it's storming like the end of the world outside ?
    I typically have at least my laptop with me. My tool bag ( network stuff ) when necessary. On a bike ? No . . . .
    Folks in cars don't even see each OTHER because they're playing with their phones and you want to drive out there with them . . . on a bicycle ? Are you suicidal ?

    Personally I can't stand the arrogance of most of the cyclists around here. They're easy to spot as they are usually decked out in bicycle attire worthy of the Tour De France. They will pedal in the center of the lane of traffic like they own it while doing 20mph in a 50mph zone. Cars stacked up behind them 5,10 deep and they act shocked, and outraged when folks pass them the first chance they get.

    How DARE you pass me ?
    Can't you see I'm on a bicycle ?!
    I'M SPECIAL !!!!!

    Actually watched one of these idiots get off their bike at a red light to run up and beat on the drivers window after he got passed by several cars who were tired of driving 15-20mph.

    Surprised he survived that encounter to be honest . . . . .

    Yeah, no sympathy from me.

    God forbid you get behind a pack of them, you may as well turn around and go home.

    1. Re: Is easy to bike to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If a cyclist is breaking the law report them. If not shut the fuck up and obey the law yourself. You being an impatient asshole doesn't legitimize your criminal desires.

    2. Re:Is easy to bike to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Isn't luck, it's your choice of where to live. Granted, a lot of the time "close enough to bike" to work is more expensive than something in car-commute range, but you make price/convenience tradeoffs all the time. My current flat has in-unit laundry; that doesn't mean I'm "lucky enough" to do laundry, it means that I chose to move somewhere that offered that. Others choose to live places where going to the laundromat is part of their tradeoff.
      2) is a valid concern. I don't blame you for not biking during a blizzard or a tornado warning. OTOH, it's kinda stupid to ignore the existence of raincoats and scream "TOO WET OUT CANT RIDE".
      3) is also a valid concern, but baskets, racks, and panniers go a surprisingly long way. When you make a quick stop at the grocery store on the way home from work, how much do you usually buy? One grocery bag? A full trunk's worth of supplies?
      4) is a concern regardless of your mode of transportation. Car crashes kill both drivers and pedestrians every day. I recommend doing some research to dig into the topic (for example, biking looks more dangerous if you count accidents per mile but less dangerous if you count accidents per hour because highway driving skews the numbers). It's definitely not something you can reductio ad absurdum by calling it "suicidal". By some measures, walking is more dangerous than biking!

      Other than that, I agree that the Smug Asshole Biker is infuriating. The only thing worse than a smug BMW driver!

  52. Re: Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Napster's in-house lawyer, actually. Cop killed him dead on impact. They decided that cop was innocent since they had no rule at the time prohibiting cops from texting while driving. Remember, we're peons to be kept in line, used up and shit out whenever.

  53. Re: Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's his selling point? Only 7!

  54. It's all about the economy by bblb · · Score: 1

    There's no big mystery to it, it's all about the economy. Throughout the majority of Obama's presidency, the economy was depressed and stagnant with many people forced to work one or more part time jobs mostly close to home... they couldn't afford to drive to work so they rode bikes. As the economy has recovered and employment has surged in recent years, people have returned to taking on single, full time, career oriented work outside of their immediate area making biking to work both more challenging and less economically necessary.

  55. Re: Right, everyone has suddenly moved to the burb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I moved to the burbs but I also finally got the a-ok to work from home. My commute is 5 feets

  56. Re:Road Diets & Weather by david999 · · Score: 0

    Why do people who ride bikes wear those funny outfits?

  57. My sister just told me that... by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 2

    her 18 year old son couldn't walk from his high school to his job after school because of traffic safety in Clearwater, FL. She tells me that it's dangerous to cross the street.

    I asked her "Have you taught him to look both ways before crossing?"

    She said "You wouldn't believe this scooter accident we saw there recently"

    I pointed out "He probably didn't look both ways"

    People don't walk not just because of laziness but because they're scared of EVERYTHING. And they pass it down to their kids. I've been crossing streets for 40 years and never once have I had a problem. I've crossed the street she mentioned many times growing up and even recently when visiting. I can't understand how with nearly a full kilometer of visibility in all traffic directions how it could possibly be dangerous to cross the street.

    But this is America today. America has chosen to stop living because they have too much fear of getting hurt.

    1. Re:My sister just told me that... by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Also to soft to enforce the law. Particularly in the case of female drivers, they can kill you in a crosswalk or even intentionally hit you, and receive no punishment at all.

  58. Re: Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    To be fair, most of those came while racing - not on his trip to work. He now works from home :)

    And he races less now, mostly doing things like hosting foreign racers at his house and riding in chase vehicles to feed his addiction... he's a good guy, just nuts.

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  59. Bigot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a typical leftist bigot.

  60. Well. Motorists still trying to kill me. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Soccer moms driving SUVs while jabbering on their phones apparently find mere bicyclist and pedestrians invisible.

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  61. The Bicycle Menace - P.J. O'Rourke by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Hilarious! Must read:

    http://www.hotels-in-netherlands.com/bikereadercom/contributors/misc/menace.html

  62. Re: Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.dailynews.com/2018/05/29/family-of-cyclist-killed-by-distracted-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gets-12-million-settlement/

  63. Toronto cycling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Copenhagen, Denmark, I have commuted (on bicycle) with temperatures ranging from -10C through 32C without problems.

    Let me know next time you have to do 32C+ for, say, seven months straight. Which is a mild summer for Tampa....

    I cycle in Toronto, which often gets up to 35C with >80% humidity at times in the summer; it also gets pretty chilly.

    I generally cycle from March/April to December (rain or shine), as long as the roads aren't snowy or icy. Bring a change of clothes. You don't even have to shower at work if you shower int the morning: it's not sweat that gets stinky, it's sweat+bacteria: so if your body is clean before heading out the door, you're fine for the rest of the day.

  64. Aging population by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Possible explanation: aging population and falling birth rate. When I was young, I biked everywhere and it didn't bother me. I was healthy and had "no fear" as is common in twenty year olds. Now that I'm older, I fear getting killed by a stupid texting/careless motorist and only bike a couple of times a year.

  65. Re: Bicycles and Motorcycles are not safe on roads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have two cultures who contribute to a lot of the motorcycle accidents; the pirate clubs, and the sport bike squids. The former don't give a thought about riding drunk or high, all without a helmet. Leather vests don't do much against road rash. The latter group have safety gear consisting of flip flops, backwards ball caps, and wifebeater shirts, and regularly exceed the speed limit by a factor of two.

  66. Re:Found One by thedarb · · Score: 1

    Good eye!

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  67. Commuting can be the best part of your day! by Tom+Arneberg · · Score: 1

    When Intel bought our chip design group at Cray, they moved us to another town 16 miles away. I was surprised to discover that commuting became the best part of my day! This is thanks to most of that distance being covered by off-road paved bike trails. If there's a safe way to bike to work, I'd highly recommend it -- great way to start the day! https://www.leadertelegram.com...