It was originally designed to control radar arrays. I've used it a half-dozen times to write complex device drivers and other next-to-the-metal software. It's as efficient as C, uses less memory, and it's interactive. Postscript is a forth variant and the original WordPerfect was written in SSI Forth.
It's also, like assembler, APL and perl, an expert programming language. It does nothing to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot in grand and dramatic ways. There's no novice or intermediate trail on this mountain.
Somebody once said, and I concur, that you can't competently code forth unless you've, at least once, built a forth interpreter yourself. I did a few times. The neat thing is that the Marc's Forth that I wrote for PCDOS in 1987 still works fine in Windows XP.
Yes, but every multilingual person on the planet does speak English.
It's a devil of a language to master (I would say endlessly fascinating), but a basic facility is easily and quickly acquired, mainly because it's tolerant of wide variations in use. Missing an exception doesn't get in the way of comprehension.
Science has no politics, no culture? It is to laugh.
You're confusing science with the real world. The real world is. Science is a lens through which we discover aspects of the real world. That lens, its color and refractive index, and the direction it points are the result of human choices about what, in the terms used by the gang opposed to the pepsico blog, "is legitimate".
Politics and culture deeply affect both what science is chosen for doing (can you say stem-cell research, human trials, gender differences in mathematics?) and, once done, what is reported and where.
Scientists are routinely crucified for reporting findings that go against the PC grain. Can anyone be so naive as to believe that this has no effect on what other scientists choose to study and report?
I'd never heard of this blog until I read about it here. Clearly, the first thing to do was to go see.
Why would a science blog site not have room for PepsiCo scientists? Why would anyone not want the opportunity to review and challenge their work and engage them in intelligent dialogue, as is the norm in real science?
It doesn't take much perusing (look it up) of the ScienceBlog site to understand why. It's hard to miss the theme that selects what gets blogged and what's ignored. Challenge? Dialogue? It is to laugh.
They really should be honest about their mission and name it the LeftScienceBlog.
Yes! I still have copies of Waffle and ZModem hanging around. I'm told there are still remnants of the old uucp network functioning--gotta wonder who's on it.
If it ever gets up again, you'll find me at !tanda.uucp.
Odd. In Canada, it's the other way round. All of the laws restricting speech were written and passed by Liberal governments. The one time martial law (the ultimate censorship) was declared, it was by a Liberal Prime Minister.
Does that make OZ more conservative, or more liberal, than Canada?
I didn't say it was self-correcting in one generation.
Not being there to help raise your grandchildren is relevant. Helping drive your group in a high-consumption, low-productivity, reduced survivability direction has consequences. The effects are small, but they compound over time. An obese population is at a competitive disadvantage, not because they're obese but because of all the other effects that come with being obese.
Microsoft produces a lot of mediocre software that it slowly fixes over a half-dozen or more iterations -- adding more crap along the way. I've never understood this business strategy, but it worked for Windows, so it's now accepted at Redmond. Practically every product from Office to Dynamics is developed this way.
That's called Agile Development; it's a best practice. What's not to understand?
Your new mobile OS needs to run on hardware that oozes quality, fit and finish, and confident capability.
MS is a software company. It stinks at hardware and it stinks at services. It should stick to what it does best.
Strange. I routinely cut and paste heavily formatted complete documents from Word to SeaMonkey and get an HTML document that's as close to the Word document as HTML allows. This includes table of contents, images and tables. I find it hard to believe that Open office and Google docs are less capable.
No, they go about it by making a superior product. There is nothing out there that comes close in terms of the breadth of documents that can be easily prepared with it.
That the default format is relatively incomprehensible is (a)a natural consequence of the organic way it grew, and (b)irrelevant.
First make a better product and then worry about file formats. Frankly, if you are going to go after Word--good luck finding some way to differentiate your product without making it harder to use.
First off, you live in a capitalist society. If you expect any company to give you stuff out of the goodness of their hearts, you're an idiot. Turn in your propeller beanie.
Second, there's no monopoly. With very few exceptions, everyone in the US and Canada has at least three choices: the cable company, the telephone company, and satellite. Here in Iroquois, 100 miles from the nearest city I have the aforementioned cable and telephone options, two satellite options and broadband radio.
Municipal broadband in fact has been a flop everywhere it's been tried. And you wouldn't like it if it worked because that's the kind of monopoly you can't walk away from. Municipalities can't even collect garbage cost-effectively; running a broadband service is way beyond their ken.
On a large scale there are lots of communications companies, so the monopoly word doesn't apply. The reason Americans and Canadians pay so much is that municipal governments give out exclusive contracts and federal regulation keeps the barriers to entry high.
You want the government to intervene? Silly rabbit. The government is on their side, not yours. We've got altogether too much government intervention.
Putting up a Wimax tower or laying fibre isn't like building railroads or highways. It doesn't need the purchasing power of government to make it happen. It just needs the possibility of profit and a free market.
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It was originally designed to control radar arrays. I've used it a half-dozen times to write complex device drivers and other next-to-the-metal software. It's as efficient as C, uses less memory, and it's interactive. Postscript is a forth variant and the original WordPerfect was written in SSI Forth.
It's also, like assembler, APL and perl, an expert programming language. It does nothing to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot in grand and dramatic ways. There's no novice or intermediate trail on this mountain.
Somebody once said, and I concur, that you can't competently code forth unless you've, at least once, built a forth interpreter yourself. I did a few times. The neat thing is that the Marc's Forth that I wrote for PCDOS in 1987 still works fine in Windows XP.
Yes, but every multilingual person on the planet does speak English.
It's a devil of a language to master (I would say endlessly fascinating), but a basic facility is easily and quickly acquired, mainly because it's tolerant of wide variations in use. Missing an exception doesn't get in the way of comprehension.
Sounds like perl to me.
Absolutely! High SAR was part of the specs for the last three phones I bought. Fortunately, there are lots of sources (e.g. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/sar/ , http://www.freeshield.com/cell-phone-radiation-sar-rating-chart.html )
Wow. There are still half-wits on /. who think "Troll" means "Disagree".
Get out of your mother's basement and into the real world, kid. The stale air is damaging your brain.
Really? Science is?
Science has no politics, no culture? It is to laugh.
You're confusing science with the real world. The real world is. Science is a lens through which we discover aspects of the real world. That lens, its color and refractive index, and the direction it points are the result of human choices about what, in the terms used by the gang opposed to the pepsico blog, "is legitimate".
Politics and culture deeply affect both what science is chosen for doing (can you say stem-cell research, human trials, gender differences in mathematics?) and, once done, what is reported and where.
Scientists are routinely crucified for reporting findings that go against the PC grain. Can anyone be so naive as to believe that this has no effect on what other scientists choose to study and report?
I'd never heard of this blog until I read about it here. Clearly, the first thing to do was to go see.
Why would a science blog site not have room for PepsiCo scientists? Why would anyone not want the opportunity to review and challenge their work and engage them in intelligent dialogue, as is the norm in real science?
It doesn't take much perusing (look it up) of the ScienceBlog site to understand why. It's hard to miss the theme that selects what gets blogged and what's ignored. Challenge? Dialogue? It is to laugh.
They really should be honest about their mission and name it the LeftScienceBlog.
http://www.logitech.com/de-de/search?q=joystick Just about everything you could want.
Babylon 5: Vorlon Technology
It's not EBCDIC (the U.S. Government's first official code).
Yes! I still have copies of Waffle and ZModem hanging around. I'm told there are still remnants of the old uucp network functioning--gotta wonder who's on it.
If it ever gets up again, you'll find me at !tanda.uucp.
If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. The Mandlebrot Fractal would be my choice.
uucp wasn't all that bad; was it?
J'Kar? Is that you?
The neatest thing about this eye is that it doesn't have to be in Spence's head. It could be left in some interesting places.
Conservative, you say?
Odd. In Canada, it's the other way round. All of the laws restricting speech were written and passed by Liberal governments. The one time martial law (the ultimate censorship) was declared, it was by a Liberal Prime Minister.
Does that make OZ more conservative, or more liberal, than Canada?
My head hurts.
The internet can't make you stupid any more easily than it can change the color of your hair.
Can it leave you ignorant? That's a whole other question.
I didn't say it was self-correcting in one generation.
Not being there to help raise your grandchildren is relevant. Helping drive your group in a high-consumption, low-productivity, reduced survivability direction has consequences. The effects are small, but they compound over time. An obese population is at a competitive disadvantage, not because they're obese but because of all the other effects that come with being obese.
It amazes me that in a forum full of highly educated technical people, no one understands the basics of evolution.
Obesity is self-correcting.
My thinking precisely.
Microsoft produces a lot of mediocre software that it slowly fixes over a half-dozen or more iterations -- adding more crap along the way. I've never understood this business strategy, but it worked for Windows, so it's now accepted at Redmond. Practically every product from Office to Dynamics is developed this way.
That's called Agile Development; it's a best practice. What's not to understand?
Your new mobile OS needs to run on hardware that oozes quality, fit and finish, and confident capability.
MS is a software company. It stinks at hardware and it stinks at services. It should stick to what it does best.
Make low-fat mayonnaise taste like the real thing?
Why would anyone want low-fat mayonnaise? Fat is what mayonnaise is about. It's about as pure a food as you can get that doesn't come from a nipple.
There's nothing you can do to make potato chips healthier; there's nothing healthy in potato chips to enhance.
New toys are fun, but these guys should find a different justification. How about more nutritious cattle feed?
Strange. I routinely cut and paste heavily formatted complete documents from Word to SeaMonkey and get an HTML document that's as close to the Word document as HTML allows. This includes table of contents, images and tables. I find it hard to believe that Open office and Google docs are less capable.
We use the strike-through and different colored text for each contributor.
Word does that for you automatically when you turn on change tracking.
No, they go about it by making a superior product. There is nothing out there that comes close in terms of the breadth of documents that can be easily prepared with it.
That the default format is relatively incomprehensible is (a)a natural consequence of the organic way it grew, and (b)irrelevant.
First make a better product and then worry about file formats. Frankly, if you are going to go after Word--good luck finding some way to differentiate your product without making it harder to use.
That should be "you and the horse you rode in on."
First off, you live in a capitalist society. If you expect any company to give you stuff out of the goodness of their hearts, you're an idiot. Turn in your propeller beanie.
Second, there's no monopoly. With very few exceptions, everyone in the US and Canada has at least three choices: the cable company, the telephone company, and satellite. Here in Iroquois, 100 miles from the nearest city I have the aforementioned cable and telephone options, two satellite options and broadband radio.
Municipal broadband in fact has been a flop everywhere it's been tried. And you wouldn't like it if it worked because that's the kind of monopoly you can't walk away from. Municipalities can't even collect garbage cost-effectively; running a broadband service is way beyond their ken.
On a large scale there are lots of communications companies, so the monopoly word doesn't apply. The reason Americans and Canadians pay so much is that municipal governments give out exclusive contracts and federal regulation keeps the barriers to entry high.
You want the government to intervene? Silly rabbit. The government is on their side, not yours. We've got altogether too much government intervention.
Putting up a Wimax tower or laying fibre isn't like building railroads or highways. It doesn't need the purchasing power of government to make it happen. It just needs the possibility of profit and a free market.