Telling people to "look at the climate yourself" is not a valid argument for any of this. Most people are not experts on weather. They could not "look at the climate" and glean any valuable information whatsoever. For one thing, they were not alive long enough to be able to compare today's weather to the long history of weather. For another, most people could not guess today's temperature +/- 5 degrees. That margin is larger than the temperature increase in the past 100 years.
Yeah not most of them, but some do need SUVs. I've been doing a lot of work on a new house, and gosh it would help if I had a big vehicle for moving stuff and buying materials. A pick-up would do it. An SUV would be more useful for times when I'm taking people (or my dogs) on a trip. A station wagon wouldn't work for most jobs. Instead I'm stuck with a tiny car. And it would just be 1-2 people in my SUV most of the time, not a carpool. Would people scoff at me? I guess you would.
I don't know where you live, but focusing on "off-road driving," "picking up girls," and carpooling is not the whole issue. In fact, probably a greater burden on the environment is having children.
>Maybe so, but the fact is that the last >time on record there was a dramatic climate >shift was when the dinosaurs went extinct.
Wrong.
First everyone seems to act like the weather data we're collecting today was just as descriptive and reliable 200 years ago. It wasn't.
Second, a common thread I'm seeing in recent articles is about arctic ice melting and opening up a shipping path around Canada. It just so happens I was reading a non-global-warming article in Outside magazine a while ago. It happened to be about shipping routes and navigating the arctic. In the late 19th century ships used arctic routes without ice-breaking vessels. Those routes are impassable today! So if the arctic is warming, it was also just as warm at one time not so long ago. I also understand that England was once warm enough for vineyards.
There is a serious argument to be made about the danger of global warming, but I'm tired of reading crap about how there's never been any fluctuations in weather before. Sheesh!
>everybody should pay for the carbon they >have already emitted into the atmosphere;
OH GIVE ME A BREAK! That's like passing a law and arresting people for past behavior... committed before becoming illegal.
Besides, who is "everybody?" How far back in time should we go? How are you going to measure this? Does efficiency count? Do you count pollution per person, per acre, per GDP dollars? Do you get a discount if you live in a very cold climate? Should Europe paid for all the US military dollars spent protecting them in the cold war? While we're collecting debts maybe you should settle payments to all oppressed people through time from the victims of Attila the Hun to the Native American Indians. How about war reparations too? Let's get that settled up.
This is the most ridiculous proposal ever. It is one thing to propose a system going forward, but historical accounting like this is both unfair and unrealistic.
Models back in the early 90's have been proven wrong just 15 years out. There's an argument to be made about the threat of global warming, but it's wrong to claim the models work.
>>And look at the climate you get to see >>yourself. Then decide whether everything's OK.
There's a legitimate argument to be made about the threat of global warming. This is not one of them. In fact moronic statements like this hurt the cause.
Thank you! No one is focused on what the patent actually says. They just think TiVo is cool and deserves to win whatever the lawsuit is. A friend of mine "invented" a hard-drive vcr in the late 80's. TiVo also thought it up. It is not worthy of a patent.
There's an important difference between cheap oil production and oil production, yet few seem to bother noting this when making arguments on this topic.
Not only should they be sanctioned...... but they should be forced to start washing their hands, at gunpoint. The flu comes out of China almost every year.
So in 2005 we had 14 hurricanes, breaking the 1969 record of 12. The 1954 tropical storm record was just broken by 1. It was just reported that Katrina was a category 3 after all. We just learned that the NOLA levees were not built to spec (due to corruption).
Why is there so much sensationalism about this like it's the End-of-the-World (tm)? Those records are only 51 years old or less. That wasn't so long ago.
Congrats! You've provided an incredibly efficient yield for several days now. With just a few words from me, you'd repeatedly respond with an upsetting page or more. What a beautiful harvest it's been. You have been trolled. Touché.
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1E6 l per year is nothing. How about 4E6 per day. That's somewhere near what the US would need alone.
Maybe you misunderstood me.
Telling people to "look at the climate yourself" is not a valid argument for any of this. Most people are not experts on weather. They could not "look at the climate" and glean any valuable information whatsoever. For one thing, they were not alive long enough to be able to compare today's weather to the long history of weather. For another, most people could not guess today's temperature +/- 5 degrees. That margin is larger than the temperature increase in the past 100 years.
So starving people would be fine if we could just get them that slice of unfinished pizza?
I always wonder why poor starving countries sometimes have such high birth rates. It seems like they're doing themselves in.
Yeah not most of them, but some do need SUVs. I've been doing a lot of work on a new house, and gosh it would help if I had a big vehicle for moving stuff and buying materials. A pick-up would do it. An SUV would be more useful for times when I'm taking people (or my dogs) on a trip. A station wagon wouldn't work for most jobs. Instead I'm stuck with a tiny car. And it would just be 1-2 people in my SUV most of the time, not a carpool. Would people scoff at me? I guess you would.
I don't know where you live, but focusing on "off-road driving," "picking up girls," and carpooling is not the whole issue. In fact, probably a greater burden on the environment is having children.
>Maybe so, but the fact is that the last
>time on record there was a dramatic climate
>shift was when the dinosaurs went extinct.
Wrong.
First everyone seems to act like the weather data we're collecting today was just as descriptive and reliable 200 years ago. It wasn't.
Second, a common thread I'm seeing in recent articles is about arctic ice melting and opening up a shipping path around Canada. It just so happens I was reading a non-global-warming article in Outside magazine a while ago. It happened to be about shipping routes and navigating the arctic. In the late 19th century ships used arctic routes without ice-breaking vessels. Those routes are impassable today! So if the arctic is warming, it was also just as warm at one time not so long ago. I also understand that England was once warm enough for vineyards.
There is a serious argument to be made about the danger of global warming, but I'm tired of reading crap about how there's never been any fluctuations in weather before. Sheesh!
>everybody should pay for the carbon they
>have already emitted into the atmosphere;
OH GIVE ME A BREAK! That's like passing a law and arresting people for past behavior... committed before becoming illegal.
Besides, who is "everybody?" How far back in time should we go? How are you going to measure this? Does efficiency count? Do you count pollution per person, per acre, per GDP dollars? Do you get a discount if you live in a very cold climate? Should Europe paid for all the US military dollars spent protecting them in the cold war? While we're collecting debts maybe you should settle payments to all oppressed people through time from the victims of Attila the Hun to the Native American Indians. How about war reparations too? Let's get that settled up.
This is the most ridiculous proposal ever. It is one thing to propose a system going forward, but historical accounting like this is both unfair and unrealistic.
Models back in the early 90's have been proven wrong just 15 years out. There's an argument to be made about the threat of global warming, but it's wrong to claim the models work.
>>And look at the climate you get to see
>>yourself. Then decide whether everything's OK.
There's a legitimate argument to be made about the threat of global warming. This is not one of them. In fact moronic statements like this hurt the cause.
Is it possible that a slightly warmer Earth means less starvation? Vast amount of lands can suddenly be cultivated for food... Just a random thought.
Thank you! No one is focused on what the patent actually says. They just think TiVo is cool and deserves to win whatever the lawsuit is. A friend of mine "invented" a hard-drive vcr in the late 80's. TiVo also thought it up. It is not worthy of a patent.
When will that hackneyed expression die?
The religion of Islam has nothing to do with these inventions or discoveries.
It's not a tax and MoveOn's statement degrades their credibility.
There's an important difference between cheap oil production and oil production, yet few seem to bother noting this when making arguments on this topic.
Not only should they be sanctioned... ... but they should be forced to start washing their hands, at gunpoint. The flu comes out of China almost every year.
>the AIDS toll in Africa ... stood at 30 million,
>which is more people than live in my entire country
Um, Africa is not a "country," so your comparison is a little odd.
They'll sue the programmer who made it possible. People don't copy DVDs; ripping programs do.
So in 2005 we had 14 hurricanes, breaking the 1969 record of 12. The 1954 tropical storm record was just broken by 1. It was just reported that Katrina was a category 3 after all. We just learned that the NOLA levees were not built to spec (due to corruption).
Why is there so much sensationalism about this like it's the End-of-the-World (tm)? Those records are only 51 years old or less. That wasn't so long ago.
That is a logic fallacy
The source only matters when you are considering evidence, not an argument itself.
How 'bout considering the merits of the argument itself instead?
What would China's IT output be if 90% of software in China weren't pirated?
Congrats! You've provided an incredibly efficient yield for several days now. With just a few words from me, you'd repeatedly respond with an upsetting page or more. What a beautiful harvest it's been. You have been trolled. Touché.
Are you so upset because I've right about everything from the start?
You only think they love you.