It's funny that since you got into his face and called his bluff he has disappeared.
Amazing what cold hard facts do to emotional arguments, even badly constructed ones.
"And some movies completely Bomb, are you now blaming the public for not "supporting the little guy" because they don't watch every movie made? I surely hope not because that would be ludicrous.... If I NEVER was going to PAY for the priviledge then how does it harm revenue?"
I'm not talking about the the movies that bomb, nor the movies that are blockbusters. I'm talking about the ones where the amount of piracy determines whether of not the movie reaches its break-even point. You can play dumb and pretend that none of the pirates would see a particular movie at the theaters anyway, and that their downloading it on the net makes no difference to the overall revenue of the movie, but you know that even if 10% of the pirates paid for the movie then that could make or break a movies profitability.
The subtext to your argument is "I want it, and I can get it without paying for it, so I'm going to take it." All the pedantic pretzel logic in the world will not shake that underlying premise.
"SO... be honest, do you work for the studios or just get paid to shill out their propaganda?"
Nice try, but no, I don't work for any media/movie companies, nor am I paid to shill propaganda. So now it is your turn to be honest (and I get to fling an insult as well) - are you under 30? Because your style of debate sounds a lot like the reasoning of a teenager.
Please do try to keep up. PAs get paid from the upfront money that the investors put into the production. The reason why the investors put money into the production is that they think they'll make a profit. That profit comes from revenue that the movie generates, be it from ticket sales, rentals, ad placement, etc.
You downloading their movie and enjoying it without paying for it harms that revenue. If enough revenue is taken away from the investors then the next time a movie is trying to get made the money-men may not be as enthusiastic about putting their dollars in. Hence, less movies get made, or less movies that aren't guaranteed blockbusters get made.
If your attitude is 'tough fucking shit, the world needs to be more equal and they're too rich anyway and incomes need to be more even' then there is a nice slice of humble pie coming your way because that will never happen. People don't want to be equal, comrade. I certainly wouldn't want to be as bitter as you, for example.
Hey you know thats bullshit. My god-given right to take what isn't mine trumps some production-assistants need to eat and pay their bills. After all, it was their fault that they worked hard on some crap like Harry Potter, and it is karmic justice for me to take it. Maybe if enough people take and enjoy the content without paying they'll stop making crap like that.
insecure jaded cynical children don't usually do much of anything
You are absolutely correct. Now that I'm a bit older I look at all the 'cool' hyper-cynical friends that I used to hang around with. They haven't done much with their lives, because creating something new necessitates a bit of risk, and oh god, what if you fail? Then all the other jaded and cynical folks you hang out with might make fun of you.
Every day it's either some government agency or some giant corp that is tightening the screws on US citizens. When will there be a tipping point where Joe Apathetic says "enough!" and takes to the streets? It's alarming that so many people are so docile.
EA, unfortunately, is not going to die a fiery death anytime soon. They just paid over 800 million dollars for Pandemic/Bioware, and they have plenty of cash in the bank.
"...and I rarely end up having to pay for that privilege."
What do you mean by that? It means he is less than 30 years old and hasn't grown out of his let-them-eat-cake-cuz-its-all-about-me-me-me phase.
It must be very bleak and desolate in your world. I can almost hear the icy wind whistling past your lonesome soul.
You're right, of course, that there is no "law" that can force people or companies to care about each other. But, I think we humans should strive to connect with each other beyond a mere producer/consumer role. It may be less efficient, and it may not maximize shareholder value, but it goes a long way in making this existence more bearable for everyone involved.
I agree. Being in the industry, it amazes me that the youngin's just roll over and take it when asked to work ridiculous hours. "Oh, you want me to work 70+ hours a week for months? OK!! Thanks, I'm so grateful to be in the industry I'll do whatever you tell me Mr. Game Businessman!!!"
I'm not sure how well this pay-for-overtime concept will do though. There are a lot of ambitious people waiting to break into the industry, and the suits at the top know this and take advantage of it. Simple supply and demand.
The idea that the PS3 is responsible for the delay is unfounded speculation
True enough. I can tell you from direct experience, however, that the PS2/3 is much more difficult to develop for than the XBox/360. It would not surprise me that the hold up is due to Rockstar having difficulties in getting the PS3 to do what it should.
I'm hoping that this delay will further wake up Sony to just how bad their developer support is compared to Microsoft. Developing a modern game is complicated enough without having deal with buggy SDK's, poorly documented pipelines, and badly translated documents describing cycle-counts that must be adhered to lest the whole thing seizes up. Since the PS2 was a success I guess Sony didn't feel the need to get their dev support in gear, but maybe with the struggles they're having with the PS3 it will focus more of their attention on this problem.
I know you were being sarcastic but you are right. We're so spoiled over here - we don't even realize how good we have it. Our national pastime seems to be complaining.
Wow, it's a surprise that you don't have legions of people lining up to swallow your pontificating. I mean, with the sweet and good-natured way you come across I'm sure you have many friends in real life.
And the reason why publishers don't publish innovative games is that there aren't enough people willing to buy these games. EA would publish "Lord of the Rings 5: Frodo Rides Again" because they know that they're are enough consumers willing to buy that game.
Contrast that with Developer X and their "super cool game with super fun awesome gameplay but requires you to learn a new way of playing games" - the interest and patience of the gamers just isn't there to get them to buy the game.
The fault lies with the gamers, not the publishers.
This is about the 5th time you've posted the same kind of message in this thread alone. Ok, we get it, you're against the copying of music. A lot of people aren't. You don't like them. We understand.
I don't think its the Mom's basement type of fanboy, but rather the effete-gotta-have-the-latest-cool-accessory fanboy. These geniuses have tons of money to spare so they can show everyone how awesomely great (not to mention trendy, wow!) they are.
If Apple was really smart, they'd throw in an ironic t-shirt to lure the fence-sitters.
What kind of bullshit is this? I own my own company (actually my business partner and I own it) and I'm hardly an economic slave. I make a great living and I rarely work over 30 hours per week. The rest of time I do what I love (guitar, friends, golf, beer, etc). I'd say my life is much more enjoyable now versus when I was a C++ programmer working 40-50 hour weeks for 'the man'.
Everyone should start their own company just to see what it's like and to gain an appreciation of what managers actually do. You never know when your business idea might be a hit, thereby saving yourself years of economic slavery working for someone else.
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It's funny that since you got into his face and called his bluff he has disappeared. Amazing what cold hard facts do to emotional arguments, even badly constructed ones.
Game, set, match. Brilliant.
You are avoiding the main point, plus sticking words into my mouth. It is pointless to continue the debate.
"And some movies completely Bomb, are you now blaming the public for not "supporting the little guy" because they don't watch every movie made? I surely hope not because that would be ludicrous.... If I NEVER was going to PAY for the priviledge then how does it harm revenue?"
I'm not talking about the the movies that bomb, nor the movies that are blockbusters. I'm talking about the ones where the amount of piracy determines whether of not the movie reaches its break-even point. You can play dumb and pretend that none of the pirates would see a particular movie at the theaters anyway, and that their downloading it on the net makes no difference to the overall revenue of the movie, but you know that even if 10% of the pirates paid for the movie then that could make or break a movies profitability.
The subtext to your argument is "I want it, and I can get it without paying for it, so I'm going to take it." All the pedantic pretzel logic in the world will not shake that underlying premise.
"SO... be honest, do you work for the studios or just get paid to shill out their propaganda?"
Nice try, but no, I don't work for any media/movie companies, nor am I paid to shill propaganda. So now it is your turn to be honest (and I get to fling an insult as well) - are you under 30? Because your style of debate sounds a lot like the reasoning of a teenager.
Please do try to keep up. PAs get paid from the upfront money that the investors put into the production. The reason why the investors put money into the production is that they think they'll make a profit. That profit comes from revenue that the movie generates, be it from ticket sales, rentals, ad placement, etc.
You downloading their movie and enjoying it without paying for it harms that revenue. If enough revenue is taken away from the investors then the next time a movie is trying to get made the money-men may not be as enthusiastic about putting their dollars in. Hence, less movies get made, or less movies that aren't guaranteed blockbusters get made.
If your attitude is 'tough fucking shit, the world needs to be more equal and they're too rich anyway and incomes need to be more even' then there is a nice slice of humble pie coming your way because that will never happen. People don't want to be equal, comrade. I certainly wouldn't want to be as bitter as you, for example.
Hey you know thats bullshit. My god-given right to take what isn't mine trumps some production-assistants need to eat and pay their bills. After all, it was their fault that they worked hard on some crap like Harry Potter, and it is karmic justice for me to take it. Maybe if enough people take and enjoy the content without paying they'll stop making crap like that.
insecure jaded cynical children don't usually do much of anything
You are absolutely correct. Now that I'm a bit older I look at all the 'cool' hyper-cynical friends that I used to hang around with. They haven't done much with their lives, because creating something new necessitates a bit of risk, and oh god, what if you fail? Then all the other jaded and cynical folks you hang out with might make fun of you.
Every day it's either some government agency or some giant corp that is tightening the screws on US citizens. When will there be a tipping point where Joe Apathetic says "enough!" and takes to the streets? It's alarming that so many people are so docile.
Now you're confusing them with facts. Stop it, it might hurt their feelings!!
EA, unfortunately, is not going to die a fiery death anytime soon. They just paid over 800 million dollars for Pandemic/Bioware, and they have plenty of cash in the bank.
It must be very bleak and desolate in your world. I can almost hear the icy wind whistling past your lonesome soul.
You're right, of course, that there is no "law" that can force people or companies to care about each other. But, I think we humans should strive to connect with each other beyond a mere producer/consumer role. It may be less efficient, and it may not maximize shareholder value, but it goes a long way in making this existence more bearable for everyone involved.
I agree. Being in the industry, it amazes me that the youngin's just roll over and take it when asked to work ridiculous hours. "Oh, you want me to work 70+ hours a week for months? OK!! Thanks, I'm so grateful to be in the industry I'll do whatever you tell me Mr. Game Businessman!!!"
I'm not sure how well this pay-for-overtime concept will do though. There are a lot of ambitious people waiting to break into the industry, and the suits at the top know this and take advantage of it. Simple supply and demand.
The idea that the PS3 is responsible for the delay is unfounded speculation
True enough. I can tell you from direct experience, however, that the PS2/3 is much more difficult to develop for than the XBox/360. It would not surprise me that the hold up is due to Rockstar having difficulties in getting the PS3 to do what it should.
I'm hoping that this delay will further wake up Sony to just how bad their developer support is compared to Microsoft. Developing a modern game is complicated enough without having deal with buggy SDK's, poorly documented pipelines, and badly translated documents describing cycle-counts that must be adhered to lest the whole thing seizes up. Since the PS2 was a success I guess Sony didn't feel the need to get their dev support in gear, but maybe with the struggles they're having with the PS3 it will focus more of their attention on this problem.
I know you were being sarcastic but you are right. We're so spoiled over here - we don't even realize how good we have it. Our national pastime seems to be complaining.
Wow, it's a surprise that you don't have legions of people lining up to swallow your pontificating. I mean, with the sweet and good-natured way you come across I'm sure you have many friends in real life.
And the reason why publishers don't publish innovative games is that there aren't enough people willing to buy these games. EA would publish "Lord of the Rings 5: Frodo Rides Again" because they know that they're are enough consumers willing to buy that game.
Contrast that with Developer X and their "super cool game with super fun awesome gameplay but requires you to learn a new way of playing games" - the interest and patience of the gamers just isn't there to get them to buy the game.
The fault lies with the gamers, not the publishers.
Oh I wish I had mod points...up!
This is about the 5th time you've posted the same kind of message in this thread alone. Ok, we get it, you're against the copying of music. A lot of people aren't. You don't like them. We understand.
Life goes on.
I don't think its the Mom's basement type of fanboy, but rather the effete-gotta-have-the-latest-cool-accessory fanboy. These geniuses have tons of money to spare so they can show everyone how awesomely great (not to mention trendy, wow!) they are.
If Apple was really smart, they'd throw in an ironic t-shirt to lure the fence-sitters.
What kind of bullshit is this? I own my own company (actually my business partner and I own it) and I'm hardly an economic slave. I make a great living and I rarely work over 30 hours per week. The rest of time I do what I love (guitar, friends, golf, beer, etc). I'd say my life is much more enjoyable now versus when I was a C++ programmer working 40-50 hour weeks for 'the man'.
Everyone should start their own company just to see what it's like and to gain an appreciation of what managers actually do. You never know when your business idea might be a hit, thereby saving yourself years of economic slavery working for someone else.
Way to stand up for your beliefs, Anonymous Coward. Yeah! You showed me!
It wasn't Google that turned over her information - it was her forms that had the cached info.
Ogre3D is a pretty good graphics engine. It's not all-in-one solution but it certainly handles the rendering side of things.