and where did you think that petrol to run your car comes from? Where do terrorists come from? I think there is a terrorist plot here somewhere??? -- Roll of tin foil £1.50 1 Week of psychiatric help £150 Keeping the neighbours dog from reading your mind - priceless!
I may be missing something here, but isn't that one job out of goodness knows however many tasks form the game. I seriously don't understand why with the correct architecture you couldn't be doing things for the next frame while working on the current one. Given that there are likely thousands of tasks to do per frame and that many of these individual tasks would be highly paralisable in themselves, why cannot the games be written in a more parallel manner? FWIW I'm a hardware engineer here, so my job is to write parallel code for hardware not software. I wonder if people could explain what the actual problem is other than a mindset one and arguably lack of mainstream language support.
But the processor in most people boxes is exactly that. We could have had a new instruction set that would be more efficient than maintaing backwards compatable. We could have massive transputer-like arrays instead of C centric single processors. We could have FPGA based data flow computers, but what is in most computers is stuck with an instruction set designed for an 8 bit system. How is this different from patching the shuttle?
I think you've just given a great example of why we stick with what works and is established. In space terms look at Soyuz or the Delta series of rockets. Constant small incremental improvements seems to work well in all areas of engineering. Throwing everything out and keeping starting again is rarely sucessful.
Not always needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_body I like the idea of not having these things strapped to the side that can break off, they always looked flimsy - maybe it'll save weight. My! This armchair is comfy!
Be careful, Banks don't make STUFF, but I would invest money in them, would you? Newspapers don't make STUFF but can be profitable year on year. Dot Com start-ups don't make stuff, but sometimes don't have a viable long term revenue stream; or their value is based upon not the profits they make now, but the profits the city thinks they will make in the future. When the smoke and mirrors behind the predictions fails that's when you have the bust. So P/E ratio, very important and you're a fool to ignore it. But if you can read the market right then you can make money when ignoring it. I also don't understand how an economy can exist without making STUFF; but it's not the only important measure. Somehow Britains economy does very well without making much STUFF. People pay a lot of money for IP (ask CSR or ARM about this)
Really? Don't get me wrong, I love the book, I just didn't have it pegged as an introduction book. But then I don't know a good introduction book for all of electronics. What I use AoE for is a quick refresher on a subject when I can't be bothered going back to my uni notes. I'd like to ask a question back to the origonal post, good introduction to what? Electronic Engineering? Hobby digital electronics, hobby analog? Audio or Control? Theory or practice? What do you want to achieve? solder together a few example circuits or design things from scratch. If you want to design things from scratch then AoE misses out the circuit analysis and design methodology. Yes it covers circuit theory (I think) but I don't think it's the best book to teach someone how to design a 3 stage amplifier to connect a microphone to a set of speakers (for example). But yes a great book and I swear by my copy, but i don't think it stands well alone. FWIW for a beginner I wouldn't reccomend starting with a book. Look at some of the fun project sites on the web, find some that capture your interest and do them. Then modify the project to do what you want. Eventually you'll have to learn the theory, but by then you'll both be motivated and have an application which was always the bit I hated my Uni for missing out on. At that point you can ask "what is the best book of circuit theory" which is much easier to answer. Also In the UK at least just talk nicely to your local University library and they'll normally let any interested individual join and use their books. And their selection should be a lot bigger than I could ever suggest.
Want to be paranoid? Wait until you can pay for it with your credit card. Now they can track you all they want! Remember citizens, only use none sequential used notes to pay for this!
Seems like a great scheme - as long as the current indentity based method for those without $20 remains.
One ponder I have though, assuming this takes off, what happens to these millions of $20s?
Do they all get put in a bank and the interest used to buy new books? If so that'd be great as popularity encourages diversity.
Or is this as step to commercialising a public service?
This is a passion of mine so I'll try to be brief
If you look up transputer you'll see the amazing stuff that was done on parallel langauges; CSP (communicating sequential processes) is old technology. OCCAM being a classic example of an inherantly parallel sequential language.
As far as I can tell it never took off as they were a small british company that could never keep up with process technology and so although they had a massive advantage in terms of performance in some respects they lost out because their massivly parallel chips using the last process generation were always in $/MIPS = to your normal microprocessor that was using latest technology. And they tried to be all things to all people.
some of the people who worked on this left and formed http://www.celoxica.com/
This now does a c like language that runs on FPGAs. I have seen code written in this Handel C and appart from a few par and ser statements it is c.
So we could be there if we embrace it, what all the technology lacks is market and mindset penetration.
But I'll stop now before I get carried away...
BTW I don't work and never have worked for any of these companies, but I do design ASICs for a living so I do have an interest in seeing/getting things done better.
No an FPGA is a bunch of gates you can build ANY digital circuit with. A CPU, cache unit, a DMA engine, a DSP, a packet processing system, any random state machine - ANY digital circuit. It is more universal than a CPU as I can build a cou in an FPGA, I can only model an FPGA on a cpu.
"The money they'd lose by pulling out of the EU would of course be effectively irrelivant"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Europe
Looks like the EU economy is bigger than the US. I'd assume the world's largest software company would like to play in the worlds largest economy
Yeah and most of UK's Nukes are on Trident submarines and leased from the US (if I remember correctly).
Sorry I have to joke about this as I find it hard to be serious when the post about MS has gone to the point where people are suggesting war over this.
Annoyed I turned down that job at QuinetiQ now, a war would have been great for them:-)
Off topic by about a mile I know but:
Can I say there is a pub near me that every winter serves pheasent.
To get the taste right it is left hanging for 3 weeks. So that is rotten meat i am eating and I'll testify it tastes lovely!
Obligatory Terry Pratchett quote: "Racism on Discworld was not a problem. What's the point in different races fighting when you have diffrerent species. Black and white can get together and team up on green"
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and where did you think that petrol to run your car comes from?
Where do terrorists come from?
I think there is a terrorist plot here somewhere???
--
Roll of tin foil £1.50
1 Week of psychiatric help £150
Keeping the neighbours dog from reading your mind - priceless!
I may be missing something here, but isn't that one job out of goodness knows however many tasks form the game. I seriously don't understand why with the correct architecture you couldn't be doing things for the next frame while working on the current one. Given that there are likely thousands of tasks to do per frame and that many of these individual tasks would be highly paralisable in themselves, why cannot the games be written in a more parallel manner?
FWIW I'm a hardware engineer here, so my job is to write parallel code for hardware not software. I wonder if people could explain what the actual problem is other than a mindset one and arguably lack of mainstream language support.
But the processor in most people boxes is exactly that.
We could have had a new instruction set that would be more efficient than maintaing backwards compatable.
We could have massive transputer-like arrays instead of C centric single processors.
We could have FPGA based data flow computers, but what is in most computers is stuck with an instruction set designed for an 8 bit system. How is this different from patching the shuttle?
I think you've just given a great example of why we stick with what works and is established.
In space terms look at Soyuz or the Delta series of rockets. Constant small incremental improvements seems to work well in all areas of engineering. Throwing everything out and keeping starting again is rarely sucessful.
Actually: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energiya Could be configured to carry more than a saturn V
Or Helecoptor
African or European?
Not always needed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_body
I like the idea of not having these things strapped to the side that can break off, they always looked flimsy - maybe it'll save weight.
My! This armchair is comfy!
Be careful, Banks don't make STUFF, but I would invest money in them, would you?
Newspapers don't make STUFF but can be profitable year on year.
Dot Com start-ups don't make stuff, but sometimes don't have a viable long term revenue stream; or their value is based upon not the profits they make now, but the profits the city thinks they will make in the future. When the smoke and mirrors behind the predictions fails that's when you have the bust.
So P/E ratio, very important and you're a fool to ignore it. But if you can read the market right then you can make money when ignoring it.
I also don't understand how an economy can exist without making STUFF; but it's not the only important measure. Somehow Britains economy does very well without making much STUFF. People pay a lot of money for IP (ask CSR or ARM about this)
Hell yeah!
Look at the stats for the number of dead people who have been in a car! Coincidence? I think not!
Humm was that pushing the bad logic idea too far?
Really?
Don't get me wrong, I love the book, I just didn't have it pegged as an introduction book. But then I don't know a good introduction book for all of electronics.
What I use AoE for is a quick refresher on a subject when I can't be bothered going back to my uni notes.
I'd like to ask a question back to the origonal post, good introduction to what? Electronic Engineering? Hobby digital electronics, hobby analog? Audio or Control? Theory or practice?
What do you want to achieve? solder together a few example circuits or design things from scratch.
If you want to design things from scratch then AoE misses out the circuit analysis and design methodology. Yes it covers circuit theory (I think) but I don't think it's the best book to teach someone how to design a 3 stage amplifier to connect a microphone to a set of speakers (for example).
But yes a great book and I swear by my copy, but i don't think it stands well alone.
FWIW for a beginner I wouldn't reccomend starting with a book. Look at some of the fun project sites on the web, find some that capture your interest and do them. Then modify the project to do what you want. Eventually you'll have to learn the theory, but by then you'll both be motivated and have an application which was always the bit I hated my Uni for missing out on. At that point you can ask "what is the best book of circuit theory" which is much easier to answer.
Also In the UK at least just talk nicely to your local University library and they'll normally let any interested individual join and use their books. And their selection should be a lot bigger than I could ever suggest.
Want to be paranoid? Wait until you can pay for it with your credit card. Now they can track you all they want!
Remember citizens, only use none sequential used notes to pay for this!
I thought that was why you didn't normally have cute librarians on the desk - so you could take out geeky books without that really sad feeling.
Seems like a great scheme - as long as the current indentity based method for those without $20 remains. One ponder I have though, assuming this takes off, what happens to these millions of $20s? Do they all get put in a bank and the interest used to buy new books? If so that'd be great as popularity encourages diversity. Or is this as step to commercialising a public service?
Late nights, early mornings and double negatives.
I mis-read your post - no excuse I know but that's the whole of it.
This is a passion of mine so I'll try to be brief If you look up transputer you'll see the amazing stuff that was done on parallel langauges; CSP (communicating sequential processes) is old technology. OCCAM being a classic example of an inherantly parallel sequential language. As far as I can tell it never took off as they were a small british company that could never keep up with process technology and so although they had a massive advantage in terms of performance in some respects they lost out because their massivly parallel chips using the last process generation were always in $/MIPS = to your normal microprocessor that was using latest technology. And they tried to be all things to all people. some of the people who worked on this left and formed http://www.celoxica.com/ This now does a c like language that runs on FPGAs. I have seen code written in this Handel C and appart from a few par and ser statements it is c. So we could be there if we embrace it, what all the technology lacks is market and mindset penetration. But I'll stop now before I get carried away... BTW I don't work and never have worked for any of these companies, but I do design ASICs for a living so I do have an interest in seeing/getting things done better.
No an FPGA is a bunch of gates you can build ANY digital circuit with. A CPU, cache unit, a DMA engine, a DSP, a packet processing system, any random state machine - ANY digital circuit. It is more universal than a CPU as I can build a cou in an FPGA, I can only model an FPGA on a cpu.
"The money they'd lose by pulling out of the EU would of course be effectively irrelivant" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Europe Looks like the EU economy is bigger than the US. I'd assume the world's largest software company would like to play in the worlds largest economy
Yeah and most of UK's Nukes are on Trident submarines and leased from the US (if I remember correctly). Sorry I have to joke about this as I find it hard to be serious when the post about MS has gone to the point where people are suggesting war over this. Annoyed I turned down that job at QuinetiQ now, a war would have been great for them :-)
Off topic by about a mile I know but: Can I say there is a pub near me that every winter serves pheasent. To get the taste right it is left hanging for 3 weeks. So that is rotten meat i am eating and I'll testify it tastes lovely!
Obligatory Terry Pratchett quote:
"Racism on Discworld was not a problem. What's the point in different races fighting when you have diffrerent species. Black and white can get together and team up on green"