Then they can downsample the unprotected songs to MP3.. seriously I'd rather be able to get the song as lossless as possible and then be able to pull it down as opposed to vice versa
I find that comment interesting because me and my dad have always wondered the same thing...the generation that listened to the Beatles as contemporary music did not listen to their parent's music. But the children of the that generation do listen to their parent's music. Whether or not every current generation teenager/young adult listens to rock from the 60s, 70s and (now a bit moreso as we near 2010) 80s isn't the point. The point is that enough people listen to them that they are still popular enough to be emulated, merchandised and given radio stations (I think that Classic Rock and 80s Stations now are staples of the airwaves moreso than 30s and 40s music radio stations in the 60s and 70s, but I could be wrong about that so call me on it if I am). Middle schoolers walk around with Stairway to Heaven Lightbearer tshirts and it is the norm to call classic rock "cool" (it is not a niche market of retro freaks but pretty much everyone who likes Rock and Roll in general).
Here is a quick Facebook stats thing for top music: Philadelphia, PA
R&b
Rap
Rock
Pink Floyd
Coldplay
The Beatles
Jack Johnson
Sublime
U2
Jay-z
New York, NY
R&b
Rap
Hip Hop
Coldplay
Reggae
U2
Rock
The Beatles
Radiohead
The Killers
Los Angeles, CA
Coldplay
Rock
The Beatles
R&b
Radiohead
The Killers
Sublime
Jack Johnson
Rap
Hip Hop
Chicago, IL
R&b
Rap
Rock
Hip Hop
Coldplay
Jack Johnson
The Killers
Pink Floyd
Sublime
The Beatles
These four large cities all have similar music interests, both contemporary and old. First of all, the Beatles made it to every list, and it's easy to say "duh the Beatles are popular so that doesn't really count" but the fact that they are still popular is exactly my point. They played music in the 60s, nearly 40 years ago. The young people of the 60s were not listening to music from the late 20s. Pink Floyd also makes it on 2 of the 4 lists. Rock (the genre) makes it to all 4 lists next to more contemporary styles like hip hop. "Of course," you might say. "Rock is still made." But that's exactly my point. Rock music, which began in the FIFTIES is listen to in 2007. By A LOT of people.
Vinyl never left for the record (no pun intended), it just hides in choice stores (such as Virgin megastore) and generally only contains new contemporary Pop/Rock, Hip Hop and Dance. Most new dance and hip hop is still pressed to vinyl and sold in stores that cater to DJs and I've seen a lot of contemporary non-club music that's pressed as well. Singles, LPs, 45s, they all still exist but the average consumer doesn't know this. My parents didn't know this and they grew up with vinyl. I'm a college freshman in New York and I just personally discovered vinyl (although I knew it was still produced beforehand) by going to old record shops. I purchased a Stanton belt-driven turntable which was extremely affordable despite the fact it is professional DJ quality (it was cheap because it was belt driven as opposed to direct driven like most turntables these days). Also I had to buy a cartridge separately. I also bought a RCA preamp and an RCA to phono cable and now my turntable runs through a preamp and into my desktop's Audigy ZS2 soundcard. I can now rip vinyl on my computer and play it through my computer's sound system and speakers, doing whatever the hell I want to the sound digitally. The turntable was $100, the cartridge was $30, the preamp was $40 and the cables were $9. So for less than $200, I'm running a professional DJ turntable through my computer (or whatever stereo system I feel like running it through). I got all of the stuff at Circuit City and Guitar Center (a store which is interchangeable with Sam Ash or any other instrument/DJ/audio megastore). I actually could have gotten everything at Guitar Center, but they were out of preamps. The fact is, it was accessible.
I'm playing old records, demo records, tons of stuff I get secondhand and then I can also go to Virgin megastore or online and get new pressings of music.
Basically, this is a longwinded comment with the message that vinyl is no where near dead. Old vinyl is accessible, new vinyl is accessible and vinyl is still supported by many big name audio companies.
Clearly you've never played THPS with moon physics. Stop spewing scientific mumbly jumbly and listen to the facts: If Tony Hawk can jump 10s to 100s of feet in the air with moon physics enabled, then so can I. Now excuse me while I boardslide for 5 minutes in a circle on a fountain and then manual out to a 5,000,000,000 point combo involving unhuman numbers of kickflips and impossibles and 720s.
Okay, to start off, when I was taking Senior Pictures, I remember getting back the demo prints and they all had a (c) DO NOT COPY stamped on the bottom. I found this funny since it was a picture of me, but I understand that the photographer, not the photographed, owns the rights to the photo. Now another thing they did, if I remember correctly, is have me sign a release allowing my image to be used by them however they see fit (whether on a website, company brochure, etc). If the picture in question was taken somewhere professional, the girl may very well have had to sign something similar. IANAL, but wouldn't that be equivalent to a model release? Then the photographer, with his copyright power releases the photograph as CC and Virgin takes the picture and uses it. Once again, it all depends on the context the photo was in (whether it was an amateur Flickr scrapbook shot or professional work where releases would be signed by default).
That one of the biggest technological and social revolutions of our lifetime is being used by the majority of the population in a habitual manner? So what? I'm pretty sure that movies, TV, recorded music, etc do the same thing. And the internet isn't just a way to waste time in an introverted manner either; a lot of people need to check email/Facebook/etc. to get messages about important things that might be time sensitive. So if someone can't go for more than a few days without checking their "vitals" it doesn't make them a loser, it makes them someone who is going into the 21st century realm of communication without kicking and screaming. Pretty much everything school, job and social related can be tied back to the internet in at least a few ways, and so these worthless "studies" need to stop trying to prove some high-horse opinion that we need the internet. Anyone could have told us that the internet is extremely important in this day and age for a LOT of reasons, and they wouldn't have had to make it seem like such a bad thing.
I agree with your attacks on China and the USSR but some of those things do happen in America with tasers. But that's probably not the majority of the time. Either way you shouldn't have been modded down.
I thought the same thing as well. However when I think about it, Chunk E. Cheese probably benefits more from this than does Game Stop. How many A's is a 1st grader going to have? 5? So what's that, 5 tokens? Is he really going to leave after spending 5 tokens and getting maybe 15 tickets and a useless trinket from the prize stand? No, his mom will probably buy some more tokens for him. GameStop on the other hand can't give out games for every A because a game is probably $50 retail on average (at least new ones and that's what most people will go for) unlike Chuck E. Cheese tokens which are worth pretty much nothing and actually increase sales. A kid with 5 A's a Chuck E. Cheeses will use his 5 tokens and then maybe buy 10-20 more. A kid with 5 A's at Gamestop will get 5 games ($250 of merchandise) and leave.
Unless they make every A like $5 off or something in which case my argument is pointless:P
I bet Dell has some legal issue with installing an opensource DVD player, since aren't all opensource DVD players technically illegal ever since the DVD protection was cracked in 2001? Technically, DVD should only be proprietary, but it's WAY too late for that and no one really cares except possibly Dell since they're a large company who doesn't want to get sued. Or I could be completely wrong. Please correct me if I am.
Someone mod parent up. Whoever modded it flamebait, get this: alternate opinions do not equal flamebait! Especially when they are well articulated and defended. Next time, try responding instead of blatantly misusing your mod points.
"When Civil Blood Makes Civil Hands Unclean".. is that where the term "Unclean hands" comes from? Civil court.. unclean hands law..:P Actually I am curious, though.
I'll also add on that if your view of ethics and morality involves supporting "ads" that trick Grandma's into believing they've won a free iPod or Caribbean vacation, then you should probably just stop talking. That's one point I failed to mention, ads on websites vary from ads on TV and in the paper greatly for the single reason that they are blatantly full of shit. Advertising, on principle, is based on making a product's image better but tricking people into clicking on some stupid flash animation with the promise of a free mp3 player is absolute, 100% bullshit. It's not even advertising, it's tricking and lying to people in order to get them to hit some page which translates such hits into pennies and then ??? and then profit. I'm surprised that with all the stupid lawsuits flying around resulting from people being too idiotic to understand the concept of coffee being hot (and the like) that more people aren't suing over misleading banner "ads".
Your comment was ridiculous and also nonsensical. Not sure if you were trying to troll or not, but I just thought I'd point that out. Your digitally signed web browser/HTML protocol idea was especially laughable. Why don't we start prosecuting everyone who's fast-forwarded through the ads on VHS while we're at it. No wait, let's make it a topic of discussion and expect it to be taken seriously AND then prosecute.
So yeah, people can push ads. And yeah, people can block those ads client side. Short of hacking into the ad servers and destroying them from the inside out, there is nothing illegal about blocking ads on your computer. Finally, the web was never designed to serve ads, it was designed to serve web sites and content, and ads were a byproduct of that. Increase in web usage and browser technology has simply given more users power over what they see and don't see on the web without directly affecting anyone else. If the whole web advertising model goes to hell because of people blocking the ads on websites, then so be it, that's simply how it turned out. It's called capitalism. Firefox and Adblock are a free way to block content that the enduser does not wish to see, but the content provider wishes to push in order to provide revenue. If the revenue stops flowing, then the model is defunct. Find a new way to make money. The web isn't supposed to cater to advertisers, or anyone.
Anyway, I seriously doubt this will happen any time soon as long as people still use IE to click on "You just won a free vacation!" flashing banner ads and trust me, they do. Just because/. forgets how many people are still internet newbies, it doesn't mean that this majority of the web browsing population doesn't exist. Look at how many people still use IE over Firefox. Look at all the spam that still gets sent out advertising free products or money or stock tips. Just because it's 2007 it doesn't make it any different than 1997 for a lot of people who go online, fuck their computers up, blame Dell or HP or their children and then get someone to reinstall Microsoft ME for them so they can redownload they're stupid screensaver of kitten photographs. That's what most internet users are like. I used to volunteer at a computer refurbishment warehouse where we took donated computers, refurbished them and re-sold or donated them in a small computer thrift store. We would take repairs only from our own customers and they would always have some sort of problem. Usually, they had installed AOL or weren't sure what they did except that suddenly "one day the computer stopped working." This doesn't generally happen, as we all know, to computers. I also once volunteered with elderly people, teaching them the basics of going online and checking mail and things like that a few years ago. A lot of them were excited about the banner ads that kept popping up because they really thought they won something. And a lot of these people were only 50 or 60 or so.
So whats your suggestion, we just lay down and die without even trying?
Just kidding:) I understand your sentiment. However, even if a new RFC was decided upon tomorrow, it would probably take 5 years to get through committee so by then it would be a brand new 2007 based RFC for 2012:P
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Then they can downsample the unprotected songs to MP3.. seriously I'd rather be able to get the song as lossless as possible and then be able to pull it down as opposed to vice versa
I find that comment interesting because me and my dad have always wondered the same thing...the generation that listened to the Beatles as contemporary music did not listen to their parent's music. But the children of the that generation do listen to their parent's music. Whether or not every current generation teenager/young adult listens to rock from the 60s, 70s and (now a bit moreso as we near 2010) 80s isn't the point. The point is that enough people listen to them that they are still popular enough to be emulated, merchandised and given radio stations (I think that Classic Rock and 80s Stations now are staples of the airwaves moreso than 30s and 40s music radio stations in the 60s and 70s, but I could be wrong about that so call me on it if I am). Middle schoolers walk around with Stairway to Heaven Lightbearer tshirts and it is the norm to call classic rock "cool" (it is not a niche market of retro freaks but pretty much everyone who likes Rock and Roll in general). Here is a quick Facebook stats thing for top music:
Philadelphia, PA
R&b
Rap
Rock
Pink Floyd
Coldplay
The Beatles
Jack Johnson
Sublime
U2
Jay-z
New York, NY
R&b
Rap
Hip Hop
Coldplay
Reggae
U2
Rock
The Beatles
Radiohead
The Killers
Los Angeles, CA
Coldplay
Rock
The Beatles
R&b
Radiohead
The Killers
Sublime
Jack Johnson
Rap
Hip Hop
Chicago, IL R&b
Rap
Rock
Hip Hop
Coldplay
Jack Johnson
The Killers
Pink Floyd
Sublime
The Beatles
These four large cities all have similar music interests, both contemporary and old. First of all, the Beatles made it to every list, and it's easy to say "duh the Beatles are popular so that doesn't really count" but the fact that they are still popular is exactly my point. They played music in the 60s, nearly 40 years ago. The young people of the 60s were not listening to music from the late 20s. Pink Floyd also makes it on 2 of the 4 lists. Rock (the genre) makes it to all 4 lists next to more contemporary styles like hip hop. "Of course," you might say. "Rock is still made." But that's exactly my point. Rock music, which began in the FIFTIES is listen to in 2007. By A LOT of people.
Vinyl never left for the record (no pun intended), it just hides in choice stores (such as Virgin megastore) and generally only contains new contemporary Pop/Rock, Hip Hop and Dance. Most new dance and hip hop is still pressed to vinyl and sold in stores that cater to DJs and I've seen a lot of contemporary non-club music that's pressed as well. Singles, LPs, 45s, they all still exist but the average consumer doesn't know this. My parents didn't know this and they grew up with vinyl. I'm a college freshman in New York and I just personally discovered vinyl (although I knew it was still produced beforehand) by going to old record shops. I purchased a Stanton belt-driven turntable which was extremely affordable despite the fact it is professional DJ quality (it was cheap because it was belt driven as opposed to direct driven like most turntables these days). Also I had to buy a cartridge separately. I also bought a RCA preamp and an RCA to phono cable and now my turntable runs through a preamp and into my desktop's Audigy ZS2 soundcard. I can now rip vinyl on my computer and play it through my computer's sound system and speakers, doing whatever the hell I want to the sound digitally. The turntable was $100, the cartridge was $30, the preamp was $40 and the cables were $9. So for less than $200, I'm running a professional DJ turntable through my computer (or whatever stereo system I feel like running it through). I got all of the stuff at Circuit City and Guitar Center (a store which is interchangeable with Sam Ash or any other instrument/DJ/audio megastore). I actually could have gotten everything at Guitar Center, but they were out of preamps. The fact is, it was accessible.
I'm playing old records, demo records, tons of stuff I get secondhand and then I can also go to Virgin megastore or online and get new pressings of music.
Basically, this is a longwinded comment with the message that vinyl is no where near dead. Old vinyl is accessible, new vinyl is accessible and vinyl is still supported by many big name audio companies.
Clearly you've never played THPS with moon physics. Stop spewing scientific mumbly jumbly and listen to the facts: If Tony Hawk can jump 10s to 100s of feet in the air with moon physics enabled, then so can I. Now excuse me while I boardslide for 5 minutes in a circle on a fountain and then manual out to a 5,000,000,000 point combo involving unhuman numbers of kickflips and impossibles and 720s.
informative? the mods must have been smoking crack today
Okay, to start off, when I was taking Senior Pictures, I remember getting back the demo prints and they all had a (c) DO NOT COPY stamped on the bottom. I found this funny since it was a picture of me, but I understand that the photographer, not the photographed, owns the rights to the photo. Now another thing they did, if I remember correctly, is have me sign a release allowing my image to be used by them however they see fit (whether on a website, company brochure, etc). If the picture in question was taken somewhere professional, the girl may very well have had to sign something similar. IANAL, but wouldn't that be equivalent to a model release? Then the photographer, with his copyright power releases the photograph as CC and Virgin takes the picture and uses it. Once again, it all depends on the context the photo was in (whether it was an amateur Flickr scrapbook shot or professional work where releases would be signed by default).
Actually, I got my life experience in a public school in Philadelphia for free. College is for getting a degree and a job.
That one of the biggest technological and social revolutions of our lifetime is being used by the majority of the population in a habitual manner? So what? I'm pretty sure that movies, TV, recorded music, etc do the same thing. And the internet isn't just a way to waste time in an introverted manner either; a lot of people need to check email/Facebook/etc. to get messages about important things that might be time sensitive. So if someone can't go for more than a few days without checking their "vitals" it doesn't make them a loser, it makes them someone who is going into the 21st century realm of communication without kicking and screaming. Pretty much everything school, job and social related can be tied back to the internet in at least a few ways, and so these worthless "studies" need to stop trying to prove some high-horse opinion that we need the internet. Anyone could have told us that the internet is extremely important in this day and age for a LOT of reasons, and they wouldn't have had to make it seem like such a bad thing.
I agree with your attacks on China and the USSR but some of those things do happen in America with tasers. But that's probably not the majority of the time. Either way you shouldn't have been modded down.
what about (bfg) - big fucking grin :D
I thought the same thing as well. However when I think about it, Chunk E. Cheese probably benefits more from this than does Game Stop. How many A's is a 1st grader going to have? 5? So what's that, 5 tokens? Is he really going to leave after spending 5 tokens and getting maybe 15 tickets and a useless trinket from the prize stand? No, his mom will probably buy some more tokens for him. GameStop on the other hand can't give out games for every A because a game is probably $50 retail on average (at least new ones and that's what most people will go for) unlike Chuck E. Cheese tokens which are worth pretty much nothing and actually increase sales. A kid with 5 A's a Chuck E. Cheeses will use his 5 tokens and then maybe buy 10-20 more. A kid with 5 A's at Gamestop will get 5 games ($250 of merchandise) and leave. Unless they make every A like $5 off or something in which case my argument is pointless :P
Wow I wouldn't wanna take a Bio class on the Ancient Greeks in that case...2-partner sexual reproduction is complicated enough
Thats where capitalism kicks in. Someone creates a grocery store where this isn't a rule and everyone shops there instead.
I bet Dell has some legal issue with installing an opensource DVD player, since aren't all opensource DVD players technically illegal ever since the DVD protection was cracked in 2001? Technically, DVD should only be proprietary, but it's WAY too late for that and no one really cares except possibly Dell since they're a large company who doesn't want to get sued. Or I could be completely wrong. Please correct me if I am.
Someone mod parent up. Whoever modded it flamebait, get this: alternate opinions do not equal flamebait! Especially when they are well articulated and defended. Next time, try responding instead of blatantly misusing your mod points.
"When Civil Blood Makes Civil Hands Unclean" .. is that where the term "Unclean hands" comes from? Civil court.. unclean hands law.. :P Actually I am curious, though.
haha im not the only one who thought of deus ex then
just found these with google: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/3/25/195318/874 http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/12/201332/748
I'll also add on that if your view of ethics and morality involves supporting "ads" that trick Grandma's into believing they've won a free iPod or Caribbean vacation, then you should probably just stop talking. That's one point I failed to mention, ads on websites vary from ads on TV and in the paper greatly for the single reason that they are blatantly full of shit. Advertising, on principle, is based on making a product's image better but tricking people into clicking on some stupid flash animation with the promise of a free mp3 player is absolute, 100% bullshit. It's not even advertising, it's tricking and lying to people in order to get them to hit some page which translates such hits into pennies and then ??? and then profit. I'm surprised that with all the stupid lawsuits flying around resulting from people being too idiotic to understand the concept of coffee being hot (and the like) that more people aren't suing over misleading banner "ads".
Your comment was ridiculous and also nonsensical. Not sure if you were trying to troll or not, but I just thought I'd point that out. Your digitally signed web browser/HTML protocol idea was especially laughable. Why don't we start prosecuting everyone who's fast-forwarded through the ads on VHS while we're at it. No wait, let's make it a topic of discussion and expect it to be taken seriously AND then prosecute.
/. forgets how many people are still internet newbies, it doesn't mean that this majority of the web browsing population doesn't exist. Look at how many people still use IE over Firefox. Look at all the spam that still gets sent out advertising free products or money or stock tips. Just because it's 2007 it doesn't make it any different than 1997 for a lot of people who go online, fuck their computers up, blame Dell or HP or their children and then get someone to reinstall Microsoft ME for them so they can redownload they're stupid screensaver of kitten photographs. That's what most internet users are like. I used to volunteer at a computer refurbishment warehouse where we took donated computers, refurbished them and re-sold or donated them in a small computer thrift store. We would take repairs only from our own customers and they would always have some sort of problem. Usually, they had installed AOL or weren't sure what they did except that suddenly "one day the computer stopped working." This doesn't generally happen, as we all know, to computers. I also once volunteered with elderly people, teaching them the basics of going online and checking mail and things like that a few years ago. A lot of them were excited about the banner ads that kept popping up because they really thought they won something. And a lot of these people were only 50 or 60 or so.
So yeah, people can push ads. And yeah, people can block those ads client side. Short of hacking into the ad servers and destroying them from the inside out, there is nothing illegal about blocking ads on your computer. Finally, the web was never designed to serve ads, it was designed to serve web sites and content, and ads were a byproduct of that. Increase in web usage and browser technology has simply given more users power over what they see and don't see on the web without directly affecting anyone else. If the whole web advertising model goes to hell because of people blocking the ads on websites, then so be it, that's simply how it turned out. It's called capitalism. Firefox and Adblock are a free way to block content that the enduser does not wish to see, but the content provider wishes to push in order to provide revenue. If the revenue stops flowing, then the model is defunct. Find a new way to make money. The web isn't supposed to cater to advertisers, or anyone.
Anyway, I seriously doubt this will happen any time soon as long as people still use IE to click on "You just won a free vacation!" flashing banner ads and trust me, they do. Just because
i really wish there was a mod parent misinformed option :P
actually they generally sign the receipts and check them, they dont keep them
teenagers with frickin laser beams on their heads
So whats your suggestion, we just lay down and die without even trying?
:) I understand your sentiment. However, even if a new RFC was decided upon tomorrow, it would probably take 5 years to get through committee so by then it would be a brand new 2007 based RFC for 2012 :P
Just kidding