great thats SOME people. Now lets look at the 14 year old abused girls who end up on the streets trying to survive. Thats not propoganda, its true. How does this benefit the government? Propoganda would consist of "our streets are virtually free of children prostitutes" not "there are a lot of children who are prostitutes in out country"
you must have misunderstood me, my point was that the conditions are horrible, and you are looking it at it like they are good. Illegal or legal, i dont care. Whatever works. I was pointing out that as of now, in America, where it is illegal, the whole system is shit, and most people seem to not realize that. They seem to think its all a nice simple idea and dont pay attention to reality. If making it legal makes it better, than so be it, I never said anything about legality. I'm talking about how it is now.
so my above post will have more backing:
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/usa.htm (scroll down a small bit and read from the heading titled "Prostitution:" to see exactly what I'm referring to)
a lot of the girls are girls who ran away from home, just to abused more. You CANNOT in anyway look at this as a simple "sex for money" issue, there is a huge difference. By saying that you are saying that statuoratory rape, and child abuse and abuse in general is appropriate. You all keep saying "sex between two consenting adults"... who said they were adults? Great, i understand ok yeah whatever nice hypothetical philosphies and views. Now lets take a look at REALITY.
thats a bad analogy because you can't compare janitorial work to being a child who at a young age is forced to sell herself because her mom is a crackhead and her dad is nonexistant. sure it's not always like that, but cmon, who do you honestly think the prostitutes in GTA were based on? Women who made some choice and work in nevada? or women who had nothing left? You can't deny the emotional impact of sex, especially at a young age with people you dont know, especially statuatory rape (because do you really think women wait till they're "legal age" to start prostitution?)
i'm not agreeing with banning the game; i'm against that. But in general a lot of you seem to have sophomoric views about prostitution as if it is only sex for money. Its not a simple black and white issue, sure you can look at it that way, but there are a lot of more factors. Its easy to try and see complex issues as simplistic, but they aren't. Do you think what drove people to become prostitutes in the first place? Do you think they enjoy having sex with every old man who picks them up just so they can pay the bills? Do you think they enjoy the abuse they go through from pimps who beat them and sometimes kill them when they don't make enough? Do you think they enjoy trying to survive in a society that screwed them over and probably resulted in them dropping out of school and walking the streets as soon as they turned 16? Its not a simple issue of "i give you sex, you give me money" and its, frankly, idiotic to look at it that way.
oh i'm sorry, i thought we were talking about the USA, what with the site being called swop-usa.org. And Nevada being the only state where prostitution is actually organized, i'm pretty sure the majority of prostitutes in the country are "street walkers." Maybe other countries have a better system. Simple fact is, we dont. It is not an issue of morals it is an issue of fact. You can glamorize it all you want, but it is not a pretty buisness. And it isnt only America either. Do you really think all those girls in Thailand enjoy thier lives? Maybe some more "refined" countries have been able to "accept" it, but that is besides the point because that is NOT what I'm talking about.
Oh yeah, and the GTA prostitutes are streetwalkers, they arent some legalized, fancy form of prostitution. I'm pretty sure the makers of GTA designed thier prostitutes after the girls who grew up in shit neighborhoods and had nothing else left, not some legal prostitute who made a choice.
So basically, what you say about other countries may be true, simple fact is, its irrelavent to the topic at hand.
strippers were a small part of my post. forgetting strippers, and only talking about prostitutes everything else still stands. unless you're denying prostitution's existence or something.
a lot of you are talking about it in a black and white view from your ivory towers. It doesnt matter where morality comes in, the simple fact remains that prostitution is NOT equatable to sex or nudity because prostitution is done when someone has nothing else they can do. It doesnt matter whether its immoral or not, thats a nonissue, the point is you cant think of it as just having sex for money because its not that simple, and that is a very juvenile and simplistic view to have.
there is a HUMONGOUS difference between sex and prostitution. quite frankly, women (and men) generally dont become prostitutes as the result of a life long dream they've had. I dont think there are kids who grow up saying "i wanna be a prostitute when i'm older!" The women are generally treated badly and abused and its not what I'd consider a "fun" job. People become prostitutes because they have nothing left and need money, a lot of you are taking a simple black and white view of how it works.
where i live, prostitution isnt considered a job you want to have. People aren't "proud" to be prostitutes or strippers (yes i know theres a difference but one leads to the other usually), but they are sadly forced to sacrifice thier dignity to survive. I dont think its right to treat them as criminals and they definatly have rights regardless of the legality of prostitution but the idea of an organization seems to promote some sort of pride about it. I guess there's nothing wrong with pride, but it seems like the kind of buisness you'd be even prouder to one day rise above, but thats my opinion.
anyway my point is, why are they protesting how prostitutes are depicted? everyone is depicted badly, and frankly anyone who ends up like the guy from GTA will probably not treat women OR prostitutes well either way. Just my 2 cents:P
you could just make a batch file which pings the server a lot, modifying cookies seems a little overkill for DDoSing. of course DDoSing is moronic like most malicious hacking so w/e i'm just saying:P dont think i defend either way or anything.
my current girl problems, when put in perspective, arent that bad, seeing as how i've only been trying for 5 or so out of my 16 years and stars have been trying for billions:P heh suddenly all the crap last weekend and week has been put into perspective, thanks slashdot:)
i didnt mean I have a problem with it, I dont. I also think freaking out over sex is stupid. I'm just saying, there are people out there who already have stupid views on gamers/sex/video game violence/etc and this kind of thing just gives them more ways to make us look bad. my opinion at least:P
thats a really good point, I hadnt thought about it that way. But now you've just helped me pinpoint what I hate about these format wars so much, thanks:)
yeah and when I set up the video in English class and the stupid public school VCRs dont work, I'm the one who has to explain it and people don't like hearing about faulty equipment. It's just "w/e I guess you couldn't set up the tape" not in a mean way, but its a "you couldn't set up the tape" even when it's not really your fault.
Frankly, anyone who has more money than a lot of small countries and DOESNT give it away is where'd I'd be annoyed. I mean honestly, it's great he's giving it away, but he's obligated to do so no matter how you look at it.
starting out with barely any knowledge of the web and realizing there was something called "bandwidth" which Geocities didnt have enough of, especially when you decide to test download zip files in mb range which you decided to host just to prove you could:P
of course, with Cleverdot i havent had any problems and I've had an account for over 1 year:) domain name-wise, however, someone stole my home address and then joke threatended me on irc. either way I was not amused.
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great thats SOME people. Now lets look at the 14 year old abused girls who end up on the streets trying to survive. Thats not propoganda, its true. How does this benefit the government? Propoganda would consist of "our streets are virtually free of children prostitutes" not "there are a lot of children who are prostitutes in out country"
you must have misunderstood me, my point was that the conditions are horrible, and you are looking it at it like they are good. Illegal or legal, i dont care. Whatever works. I was pointing out that as of now, in America, where it is illegal, the whole system is shit, and most people seem to not realize that. They seem to think its all a nice simple idea and dont pay attention to reality. If making it legal makes it better, than so be it, I never said anything about legality. I'm talking about how it is now.
so my above post will have more backing: http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/usa.htm (scroll down a small bit and read from the heading titled "Prostitution:" to see exactly what I'm referring to) a lot of the girls are girls who ran away from home, just to abused more. You CANNOT in anyway look at this as a simple "sex for money" issue, there is a huge difference. By saying that you are saying that statuoratory rape, and child abuse and abuse in general is appropriate. You all keep saying "sex between two consenting adults"... who said they were adults? Great, i understand ok yeah whatever nice hypothetical philosphies and views. Now lets take a look at REALITY.
thats a bad analogy because you can't compare janitorial work to being a child who at a young age is forced to sell herself because her mom is a crackhead and her dad is nonexistant. sure it's not always like that, but cmon, who do you honestly think the prostitutes in GTA were based on? Women who made some choice and work in nevada? or women who had nothing left? You can't deny the emotional impact of sex, especially at a young age with people you dont know, especially statuatory rape (because do you really think women wait till they're "legal age" to start prostitution?)
i'm not agreeing with banning the game; i'm against that. But in general a lot of you seem to have sophomoric views about prostitution as if it is only sex for money. Its not a simple black and white issue, sure you can look at it that way, but there are a lot of more factors. Its easy to try and see complex issues as simplistic, but they aren't. Do you think what drove people to become prostitutes in the first place? Do you think they enjoy having sex with every old man who picks them up just so they can pay the bills? Do you think they enjoy the abuse they go through from pimps who beat them and sometimes kill them when they don't make enough? Do you think they enjoy trying to survive in a society that screwed them over and probably resulted in them dropping out of school and walking the streets as soon as they turned 16? Its not a simple issue of "i give you sex, you give me money" and its, frankly, idiotic to look at it that way.
oh i'm sorry, i thought we were talking about the USA, what with the site being called swop-usa.org. And Nevada being the only state where prostitution is actually organized, i'm pretty sure the majority of prostitutes in the country are "street walkers." Maybe other countries have a better system. Simple fact is, we dont. It is not an issue of morals it is an issue of fact. You can glamorize it all you want, but it is not a pretty buisness. And it isnt only America either. Do you really think all those girls in Thailand enjoy thier lives? Maybe some more "refined" countries have been able to "accept" it, but that is besides the point because that is NOT what I'm talking about. Oh yeah, and the GTA prostitutes are streetwalkers, they arent some legalized, fancy form of prostitution. I'm pretty sure the makers of GTA designed thier prostitutes after the girls who grew up in shit neighborhoods and had nothing else left, not some legal prostitute who made a choice. So basically, what you say about other countries may be true, simple fact is, its irrelavent to the topic at hand.
strippers were a small part of my post. forgetting strippers, and only talking about prostitutes everything else still stands. unless you're denying prostitution's existence or something.
a lot of you are talking about it in a black and white view from your ivory towers. It doesnt matter where morality comes in, the simple fact remains that prostitution is NOT equatable to sex or nudity because prostitution is done when someone has nothing else they can do. It doesnt matter whether its immoral or not, thats a nonissue, the point is you cant think of it as just having sex for money because its not that simple, and that is a very juvenile and simplistic view to have.
there is a HUMONGOUS difference between sex and prostitution. quite frankly, women (and men) generally dont become prostitutes as the result of a life long dream they've had. I dont think there are kids who grow up saying "i wanna be a prostitute when i'm older!" The women are generally treated badly and abused and its not what I'd consider a "fun" job. People become prostitutes because they have nothing left and need money, a lot of you are taking a simple black and white view of how it works.
where i live, prostitution isnt considered a job you want to have. People aren't "proud" to be prostitutes or strippers (yes i know theres a difference but one leads to the other usually), but they are sadly forced to sacrifice thier dignity to survive. I dont think its right to treat them as criminals and they definatly have rights regardless of the legality of prostitution but the idea of an organization seems to promote some sort of pride about it. I guess there's nothing wrong with pride, but it seems like the kind of buisness you'd be even prouder to one day rise above, but thats my opinion. anyway my point is, why are they protesting how prostitutes are depicted? everyone is depicted badly, and frankly anyone who ends up like the guy from GTA will probably not treat women OR prostitutes well either way. Just my 2 cents :P
you could just make a batch file which pings the server a lot, modifying cookies seems a little overkill for DDoSing. of course DDoSing is moronic like most malicious hacking so w/e i'm just saying :P dont think i defend either way or anything.
my current girl problems, when put in perspective, arent that bad, seeing as how i've only been trying for 5 or so out of my 16 years and stars have been trying for billions :P heh suddenly all the crap last weekend and week has been put into perspective, thanks slashdot :)
or it could be thought that afterlife transends logic and science and that kind of mistake doesn't happen.
i didnt mean I have a problem with it, I dont. I also think freaking out over sex is stupid. I'm just saying, there are people out there who already have stupid views on gamers/sex/video game violence/etc and this kind of thing just gives them more ways to make us look bad. my opinion at least :P
thats a great way to add even more stereotypes to gamers.
did they just use them on highways? I doubt an unmodded segway is street legal, they're too slow.. but how else do you cross America?
thats a really good point, I hadnt thought about it that way. But now you've just helped me pinpoint what I hate about these format wars so much, thanks :)
yeah and when I set up the video in English class and the stupid public school VCRs dont work, I'm the one who has to explain it and people don't like hearing about faulty equipment. It's just "w/e I guess you couldn't set up the tape" not in a mean way, but its a "you couldn't set up the tape" even when it's not really your fault.
heh novelty-wise that would be awesome.. otherwise.. just no :P
yet another thing to get mad about.
Frankly, anyone who has more money than a lot of small countries and DOESNT give it away is where'd I'd be annoyed. I mean honestly, it's great he's giving it away, but he's obligated to do so no matter how you look at it.
yeah definatly, but my site is not too popular so I don't have to worry about that yet :P
starting out with barely any knowledge of the web and realizing there was something called "bandwidth" which Geocities didnt have enough of, especially when you decide to test download zip files in mb range which you decided to host just to prove you could :P
of course, with Cleverdot i havent had any problems and I've had an account for over 1 year :) domain name-wise, however, someone stole my home address and then joke threatended me on irc. either way I was not amused.
tony hawk actually had a story in the newer ones, that tied in with gameplay fairly well, even if it was a bit cheesy.
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