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Prostitutes Call for a Ban on GTA
d writes "Gamespot has an article about an association of prostitutes protesting the GTA games. Apparently, the sex workers of the Sex Workers Outreach Project aren't too happy about their ingame counterparts being treated violently in the GTA games. They note that the games are a bad influence on children, and might encourage rape and violent behavior towards prostitutes in real life."
Fuck them!
Born on a mountain, Raised in a cave!
I would think that this kind of reasoning would justify murderers to call for a ban on CBS (Crime Broadcasting Station).
Sex workers definitely aren't a bad potential influence on children.
Oh, wait.
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A. Kill her and take my monies back.
B. Keep her around in the car to do more money exchange.
The way I see it, the game is encouraging me not to harm her because if I do, I'm going to get my monies back but I have to drive all the way back into town and I do not want the po-po on me right now.
Btw, I learned all this like five years ago from this game. Where was this "sex workers group" when the game came out? They're a bit late to stop it from being released.
I like how from TFA: So let me get this straight
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Yeah, let's all take advice on morality from hookers...
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So we're getting calls to ban a form of entertainment... from the purveyors of a widely banned form of entertainment.
Something about glass houses comes to mind here.
There's at least as much cop killing in GTA as there is ho slaughtering.
The other day I saw Steve from Steve's Autobody shop handing out free copies of GTA to 12 year old boys with the funniest smile on his face you've ever seen.
I just assumed he was a pedofile.
Steve, if you're reading this, I Apologize.
Wait, Isn't Prostituion illegal in US?
Pot, meet Kettle.
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They seriously need to steal AT&Ts old slogan- reach out and touch someone.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
So are they going to sue the movie industry next for all the films that portray violent crime towards prostitutes? What about churches that use prostitution as a classic example of evil and immoral behavior? Stupid.
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I think they're looking at this all wrong. In GTA a prostitute makes your health improve, while in real life I would say your chances of getting syphilis are much higher than of that bullet wound in your leg healing after a visit with a hooker. With this logic they should look forward to increased business!
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In related news, the Plate Glass Association of America (PGAA) is contemplating class action suits of their own, citing numerous examples of films, games & other media where violence is perpetrated on -- or more commonly through -- their members.
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Disclaimer: I am a Christian. However, Jack Thompson is of the notorious southern-baptist style bible-thumping crowd. This places him on the same side as prostitutes. I can't WAIT for someone to point this out to him.
We should have a slogan:
"Jack Thompson: Working with the street-walkers to keep your kids safe"
"No-body has their pulse on the average American cum-catcher like Jack"
Pedestrians call for ban on cars.
This is almost as newsworthy as the story about the Superman Bulge.
well... they do....
Whore: "I promise to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
...
Attorney: "Are you a prostitute?"
Whore: "Yes, I am"
CNN's Anderson Cooper: "And in today's news, the 1000th prostitute was thrown in jail for admitting they were in the illegal sex trade. Thousands more are lining up around the block to give their testimony to the supreme court...."
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
What class, person or profession does GTA respect? Are prostitutes especially targetted? I'm sure running over lawyers would be more fun but they aren't street workers.
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Shut up bitches! Bang! Bang!
*Their stolen car drives away*
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These prostitutes outta really get out there. Make some signs, do some marching, yell and scream. Get out there and join your Anti-GTA brothers in blue.
If all this anti-video game crap can bring prostitutes and cops together at least we will garner some entertainment out of it.
As it stands now, it's just pathetic.
I'll make you a deal. You pray to God for help and I'll stop the moment he shows up.
They aren't calling for a ban. They think the game is a bad thing and want to discourage parents from allowing their children to play.
Ban means "to prohibit especially by legal means" (Merriam-Webster).
They're exercising a free speech right, not trying to infringe on others'.
-Dave
On the Sex Workers Outreach Project homepage, I clicked on "Calendar", but all I got was a list of upcoming events... =(
They're asking people to boycott the game, not calling for it to be banned. In fact they specifically stated that they're not asking for censorship.
this has to be the funniest/stupidest thing ive read on here in a while.. also how can you get mad at an open ended game like this.. the whole thing is you can do EVERYTHING! should cab drivers get mad about the game because their cabs are being stolen in game? pilots get upset over their counterparts constantly crashing into things in game? boat owners outraged at the boat thefts in game? you can do just about anything...
skydiver association mad about showing how easily you can splat from skydiving in the game!!
where i live, prostitution isnt considered a job you want to have. People aren't "proud" to be prostitutes or strippers (yes i know theres a difference but one leads to the other usually), but they are sadly forced to sacrifice thier dignity to survive. I dont think its right to treat them as criminals and they definatly have rights regardless of the legality of prostitution but the idea of an organization seems to promote some sort of pride about it. I guess there's nothing wrong with pride, but it seems like the kind of buisness you'd be even prouder to one day rise above, but thats my opinion. anyway my point is, why are they protesting how prostitutes are depicted? everyone is depicted badly, and frankly anyone who ends up like the guy from GTA will probably not treat women OR prostitutes well either way. Just my 2 cents :P
If prostitutes are really worried about their own safety, then why are they prostitutes in the first place?
Idiots!
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If they had cable, they'd have been protesting just about every movie shown on the pay stations after 11pm for the past 20 years.
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This one makes the most sense. I've heard my share of B.S. "videogames made me do it" stories over the years, but this one has the most legitimate basis of them all. It stands to reason that some frat boy who is majorly into his GTA, either tries to treat a prostitute or a dancer in a similar manner because it is seen and portrayed as a given that you smack a ho. It really does promote the behavior and I could see the point.
I know it all seems silly, prostitutes complaining and drawing parallels from a video game to real violence. But in reality prostitues are pretty much an accepted thing in America (even though many would have you believe otherwise) and after reading a book a while back about the Mustang Ranch in Vegas, I have a whole new outlook on them and their trade. The knee jerk reaction is to laugh it off, but I truly believe this compalint is the most valid yet.
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Right... Hookers aren't exactly what I would call models of social development. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad that they are in a plight that the feel forces them to do what they do (or sickend that they enjoy it). But, in no way do I think I would ever consider one a role model.
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"They note that the games are a bad influence on children, and might encourage rape and violent behavior towards prostitutes in real life."
What about the issue of kids being encouraged to PICK UP a prostitute in real life? Looks like that one managed to slip by them...wonder why...
And for the record, I have no moral issue against prostitution, its the worlds oldest profession...but I only support the regulated kind, where they work in safe environments, have regular testing and support, etc. Not this crap where you pick up one in your car and drive to a quiet place. Children should NOT be encouraged to do that.
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People like Jack are like the Sanhedrin of old jewish faith, and like the upper caste in Hindu/Indian cultures: they don't like to even get near what they consider "undesireables".
Him being on the same side as prostitutes in his mind is like when NAMBLA shows up at a gay rights/pride march: yes, technically, they are marching for your ideal, but what they stand for otherwise is REALLY going to hurt your case.
He's claimed to be doing God's work many a time. The irony that a class of people that he wouldn't be caught dead with are now trying to champion his case is going to put him in a tough spot.
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The fact that it is only prostitutes complaining (and noone else) does not take away their right to complain. If they feel as though they're being threatened, they have the right to say something about it - as do cops or any other targetted groups. Just because they haven't as a group condemned the game, does not necessarily mean they like it, or are okay with it. Using that justification is like Tony Blair saying that just because only a million people marched against the war with Iraq, the rest of London really liked the war. Sorry if I misunderstood your point, but that is how I read it.
Lots of comments on here about pot and kettle and prostitution being illegal and imoral.
Personally, I can't stand people who put down sex trade workers, but don't save any derrision for the Johns. If you think prostitutes are low-lifes, then quit paying them.
"Sure, I'll boycott GTA - if you'll do me some 'favors'" *nudge nudge, wink wink*
Well, finally a group I can have sympathy for. Seriously, the depiction in GTA of hookers is not exactly positive, and while it mirror's society's treatment of prostitutes, it's not sommething to encourage. Running over hookers seems to e pretty common, even if it's not a stated goal in the game.
And to other posters talking about how cops and gangsters are depicted in the game - there are enough positive depictions of both in other media (too much for gangsters, really), so they don't really need them.
In closing: hooray for hookers!! (No, I've never used their services. I swear.)
(Say, does anyone know where to contact, er, beautiful professinal women in the Portland, OR area?)
If these prostitutes want to show that prostitutes in GTA are such a bad influence, and provoke immoral acts, such as violence, which is learned to be practiced in real life, then maybe these prostitutes should stop being prostitutes if they think prostitutes corrupt youth. It would certainly be less hypocritical, whether people listened to them any more or not.
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Well, my guess would be having lots of sex for money.
I understand business is good with the geek set.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Prostitutes and religious zealots are both against the GTA series. What stange bedfellows...
They find hidden sex scenes in the game and it gets lots and lots of free press.
Prostitutes object to violence in the game - more free press.
I wonder if there's a puppet-master at the game company pulling all the strings in a controversy-gets-press conspiracy.
Car thieves, drug dealers and gang-bangers are outraged at their portayal as criminals in the game GTA...
you cant rape the willing...
I wonder when ford and other car companies are going to step in and demand justice because GTA encourages violent behavior towards cars?
or maybe the anti-gun people would like to jump on board becuase GTA encourages kids to carry 10 consealed weapons on their persons at any given time including rocket launchers and flame throwers!
I personally find it offencive that you can run a red light in GTA and not have any consiquenses.
since when has bitching about shit taken the place of independant thought?
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Show me the mission in any of the GTA series that requires you to beat, kill, or otherwise be violent towards a prostitute. I've finished the storylines in all three of the PS2 versions, I wasted many an hour playing the PC version of the original, but never got a shot at GTA2.
So where's the "Kill rape and murder all the hookers" mission?
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
But there is nothing like stealing tanks from the Army when they come for you (Granted it does'nt work as well in SA).
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They're worried gun totting videogamers getting 'a free ride'.
They're condemning the game, but not calling for a ban.
Prostitutes have an association.
*blinks*
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
They may of course be giving it up for prime shifts, that happens at some places. You'll recognize those places as they have very few really hot strippers.
Those that whore are the exception and are looked down on by other strippers (I know a couple of ex-stippers well).
Perhaps you should do more research at the nudie bar. As they say 'You won't get fucked, you will get screwed'.
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Won't someone please think of the prostitutes!
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Everyone gets oh-so-pissed and righteous about the game being about killing cops and nobody seems to give a shit about prostitutes, who are treated equally bad in the game.
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I was playing a game where I ordered my tachyon bolt copter to massacre a whole bunch of Colonel Santiago's soldiers. I didn't even feel any regret. I guess that's why the military is calling for a ban on games like Alpha Centauri.
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Popular society isn't doing prostitutes any favors these days. Look at the replies here. "Hookers suck!" +4 Funny!!!! "Hookers blow!!!" +5 Insightful Prostituion is legal in some parts of the States (as well as most parts of the world). You tell me what's more degrading, being paid to have sex or spending 30 years suckling at the corporate teat. Do the prostitutes have a valid point? I don't know, let's see what happens to a game that glorifies killing firemen and mouth-breething programmers.
>> They (prostitutes) note that the games are a bad influence on children...
Thats funny... prostitutes moralizing about software being a bad influence on kids... Of course, conducting their own profession in front of kids is just fine, right?
... the NLPAJP (National Lobby for the Protection of Angry-Jerk Pedestrians) also indicated that they would be lobbying for GTA to be banned due to the way that it's very easy to mow down law-abiding citizens with cars/trucks/bikes/tanks. Mr. A. J. Ped told our reporter, "we're running scared man, but we just can't get out of the way fast enough, it's a jungle out there man, a jungle!".
Rockstar Games have released a statement saying that the pedestrians in GTA "are not real" and the public has nothing to worry about especially since 99.99% of all Americans are now so overweight they can't get off of the couch anyway so they are unlikely to be involved in a hit and run incident.
Now you are a prostitue, what your doing is illegal, and you want to bitch about a game that people buy. Grow up ladies. Stop selling your ass on the street go to college and program games that don't involve killing prostitutes.
They note that the games are a bad influence on children, and might encourage rape and violent behavior towards prostitutes in real life.
Why all the hate? Don't they realize that it also discourages kids from becoming prostitutes? Hell, that's less competition for them but less variety for me. Hell, I should be the one bitching. Hmm.. I think I'll write a note to my senator.
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What's next? A call to Arm the Homeless?
Clearly their concerns here are justified, because that's how I spend my time. Just today, I beat down an old lady with a baseball bat, jacked two cars, blew away a cop with a shotgun, and fired rockets at a passing helicopter. Hiring a ho and roughing her up is the only way I've learned that gives a day like that a "happy ending".
It's like copyright violators moralising about monopolistic company behaviour... oh wait!
I'm not new here, but I've never read such a bunch of insensitive, ignorant and idiotic comments on one topic. It fairly screams of the stereotype of pasty fat men that can't talk to women let alone understand them. Would you guys generalize like this about, say, a particular race?
Knock it off and stop projecting your values and assumptions on to people you know nothing about.
:P
Seriously though, the few violent acts in the actual story line are you have to stop someone from beating up on them.
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Let's see, hookers sell a few hours of their time, perform questionable acts for money, and in the ideal situation, make you feel like you'r the most important part of their day. Tries to avoid virus and worm outbreaks with best practices.
System admin, sells all of his or her time, performs questionable acts for money. May try to make his customers happy. Tries to avoid virus and worm outbreaks with best practices. Demanding customers may make this difficult.
Consultant. See hooker.
All in all, a hooker has better pay scale, less hours, and a chance to negotiate a better working environment. Also less likely to be outsourced.
Prostitution is so stigmatized in the US, its a joke. Especially when you consider how prevalent it is despite that fact.
I mean, it's not just prostitutes that get slaughtered wholesale in GTA. Last I checked, you could kill just about everyone from old ladies crossing the street to cops trying to gun your ass down. I don't see the AARP ganging together to protest the old-lady-killing in GTA.
If anyone has a beef with the GTA games it's the Hare Krishna; these guys got an really hard time in the 1st game.
As soon as you went after them they'd really get those skinny limbs moving in no time, vaulting cars and running away for miles. It wasn't easy but if you killed a whole line of them you earned a huge cash bonus- $2000 if i remember right.
I don't remember the Krishna complaining too much (in real life)- maybe they're so busy chanting that they miss out on seminal video games like GTA.
The national street illegal drug dealers association coming out and saying "don't do drugs."
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Holy shit.. I've seen it all...
I thought we were heading for a downward spiral when the last Adam Sandler movie came out but damn...
I'm going to go pimp-slap some more ho's on GTA.
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Not likely (shouldnt go through, anyway) to go through here in the US since prostitution is illegal here. How can you complain about what you are doing if its illegal in the first place? It would be like cocain smugglers trying to complain to the ATF (Alcohol Tabbaco & Firearms enforcement) that dead druggies in the morgue make the smugglers look bad.
...now prostitutes are up in arms about a game depicting the treatment of prostitutes as...
...whores?
Shrug.
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Get back outside and get me my money before I open a can of GTA on your ass!
normally i support the organized efforts of sex workers, but i guess this group has caught the "blame video games for stuff that existed before video games" meme. imagine a slightly different scenario in which a popular video game featured a prostitute as a main character. imagine angry mothers complaining that the game is teaching their children to become prostitutes. is this a case of fallacy of the single cause / false cause? i realize i'm preaching to the choir here (i think, anyway). i'm willing to concede that possibly some people will do stupid things in part because they played GTA...but causality is complex, and people have done stupid and violent things since...oh, i don't know, all of recorded history. i think i'll start a Sex Workers for the Recognition of Causal Complexity Task Force.
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I was under the impression that prostitutes perform their services because they are in need of money and or drugs/alcohol. I never really imagined too many of them to go home to a computer and hop on the internet. Let alone know anything about programming a website. Maybe they head the local library to check their email between shifts. Do you think they send out spam? I bet if you went on monster you could find a slew of prostitutes (maybe the AOL member directory is a better place to look).
the frat boy stereotype. Do you really think that being in a fraternity has any real effect on how you view/treat women? It doesn't. People get that behaviour loooong before college. And that's what the prostitutes are trying to convey. That KIDS shouldn't be exposed to this kind of behavior, which is dead on. Your accusing reasonably well-educated people of misconduct and idiocy is just spouting stereotypes that you have no experience with.
So by that measure, If drug dealers asked to stop being portrayed as villians in popular media we should acquiesce to them? Get a legal profession and then we will talk.
It's a prostitute taking the moral high ground!
Okay, this article made my day. We live in a strange world when hookers complain about their work environment. If they're so scared of violence, maybe they need to consider a new career. I'm told the unemployment office offers job training. The simple fact is hookers do what they do because they like making easy money and to them, making $30,000 a year is a fate worse than death. If you don't want to work like the rest of us, then deal with the consequences of that decision. Besides, kids shouldn't be playing games that are rated mature, anyway.
They note that the games are a bad influence on children, and might encourage rape and violent behavior towards prostitutes in real life.
This returns to the debate on whether life imitates art, or art imitates life.
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so, lets get this straight: prostitution = illegal gta = legal so something illegal is trying to ban something legal something is wrong with this....
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Jack Thompson and prostitutes on the same side. The mind boggles.
Run over the pimps instead. They are the true filth on the street.
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The reason why so many people have a problem with GTA is because it treats sex with prostitutes as both no big deal and as generally beneficial. Which would tend to make people see it as something that shouldn't be illegal. Hence lies (about rape) and exaggerations (you get points for killing prostitutes, while killing a prostitute in GTA may be beneficial it also carries in game risks which may make it detrimental).
But the goal of NIMF isn't, for example, to make prostitutes the one class of person in the game who are invulnerable, it is to remove them from the game completely. Removing the ability to portray prostitutes in a game removes the ability to portray them positively.
This is actually very sad, because I imagine the guys at Rockstar North are in favor of decriminalization and also against the murder or maltreatment of prostitutes, so their opinion would be inline with SWOP-USA. (I come to this conclusion from the political content of the game, the hypocracy of right wing congressman Shrub and his mistress porn star Candy Suxxx for example.)
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Yes, this is relevant, as we are looking here at whether something is considered by a given country to be a serious crime or even a crime at all. If there are countries where prostitution is a serious crime and murder is acceptable, then do you look at their standards for so judging, or go by your own?
I'm not condoning or condemning anything here, I'm merely pointing out that it's never been clear-cut. What is "serious" is simply too subjective and varies far too much between individuals, never mind countries.
As far as sex workers are concerned, my only personal opinion is that there exists no way of identifying and assisting abuse victims who drift into the trade, those abused within it, modern slaves, anyone acting under duress for any other reason, etc. Nor is any serious effort made to deal with those involved in abuse, slavery, etc.
Changing laws that are highly emotionally charged is difficult and likely to be infrequent. So it is vitally important that if/when they are changed, they are changed in a way that provides the greatest benefit for the longest time. I am not convinced that lobbyists are the best ones to explain benefits and I'm not convinced that anyone else has identified the risks - present or future.
The status quo sucks (bad choice of words for this topic, but who cares?) but every alternative I've ever heard seems infinitely worse and far more prone to bring about the very problems that are supposed to be being cured, especially as the real problems seem to be largely being ignored.
Deal with the serious stuff first and then worry about the details. Otherwise it is just vote-trawling and people-pleasing.
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On the other hand, I'm not so sure it 'glorifies' gang culture as much as the critics claim. I've been playing it lately, and damn if you don't just get shot and killed *a lot*. It's a hard damn life, and in any sort of real life that would be no fun. There are personal relationships and such, but that's real... but nobody in the game is clean, or really moral, or just or right... those concepts don't exist in the game.
Does playing the game make *me* want to hang out with someone who has automatic weapons ?!? Hell NO !! I see a Tec9, man, I'm *outa there*, ASAP !! Likewise, I'm not excited about going to a war zone after playing some WWII game, either. Some people are excited about going to war, and/or excited about gunning down people in the street... something tells me that these games don't really change that idea one way or another. What, you don't like the art that reflects a man's reality? Well, best start changing that reality, or making alternative art that expresses the reality you'd prefer...
Gamespot has an article about an association of Criminals protesting the GTA games. Apparently, the Criminals of the Criminals Outreach Project aren't too happy about their ingame counterparts being treated violently in the GTA games. They note that the games are a bad influence on children, and might encourage rape and violent behavior towards Criminals in real life."
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The tagline from the article says:
"Sex workers cry foul, say game 'accrues points to players for the depiction of rape and murder of prostitutes.'"
Let's tell the truth, shall we?
I just played all the way through GTA:SA, and I really enjoyed it. In my mind, I compared it to an R-rated movie (like, "Casino"), and that comparison seemed adequate.
In the game, I hired a prostitute once or twice, but there's really not much reason to. I don't remember any mention of rape, or any option to rape. (Did I miss something? Was there a "rape" key somewhere?)
I also don't remember getting any "points" for murdering innocent people. I guess I picked up their money, but it also is a pain 'cause the cops would come after me. I actually tried to AVOID killing people because of this.
I'm not going to say that GTA is for everyone, or even that it's harmless. But until we can honestly discuss the game, without stretching the truth or outright lying, discussion is close to useless.
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Every time stories like this make the news I go out and buy more copies of GTA! :-)
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Quit using these "won't somebody please think of the children" excuses on games that are clearly marked Mature. If a parent is irresponsible enough to buy their 10 year old kids GTA or Soldier of Fortune, they'd have to deal with the consequences. All these parents and even prostitute groups needs to stop pushing the responsibility of the parents onto society or game developers that did mark their games according to the ESRB rules.
You aren't a Christian unless you believe in everything people like Jack Thompson say.
Just ask Jack Thompson about that.
...nobody EVER thought of hiring a hooker and then beating/killeg her to get their money back afterwards.
America has gone to shit. Lovely.
GTA sales are up by 400%. It turns out that the recent protests by Prostitutes Against GTA (or PAG, for short) attracted even more youngsters to buy game, when kids were interviewed at the game shop why they purchased the game the most common responce was- "When I heard about the protest I just felt like smackin'-a-ho and GTA was the easiest way for me to satisfy the impulse".
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Will Jack Thompson ever give up?
Hahaha!.. Prostitutes have a say in anything.. They even have a union.. hehe.. What has the world become.
We shall continue to fuck and bitch slap you in GTA, you nasty hoe.. hehe
Bros before hos
You're right, just like the movies, literature and the internet media as a whole portry this. No reason to single out one form of communication/media vs. another.
...wouldn't exist if there wasn't a demand for them.
The day men stop patronizing prostitutes, there will be no more prostitution. Not one day earlier.
Don't look for logic in this.
The point these folks seem to be missing is that you can beat up any random pedestrian in GTA3SA. If you choose to do so to a prostitute, that came from you, not from the game -- it was your choice. (Well, they do have more cash to take, but so do drug dealers. Both tend to be armed, but the only one you're encouraged to wax are the crack dealers.)
Someone had to do it.
Society is one very ugly mess. GTA probably doesn't help, but all things considered, I can't see how - even if it did "encourage" vile behavior - the impact could be remotely significant.
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You have GOT to be fucking kidding me. There's an association for "Sex Workers", and they have the gumption to claim discrimination? What bullshit.
I can understand racial discrimination, and the likes, and how associations may be formed to counter their effects, but this is absolutely fucking retarded. I have never in my life seen such an absolutely stupid idea, let alone a reality.
Prostitution is wrong on many many levels, including various areas (if not all) of law, religion, ethics, and culture. Having a skin color different than someone in country-x isn't a choice, but puting yourself out on the street corners to compete for the "business" of other hormonally-driven people is an abomination of humanity.
If you disagree with me, fine. That's your choice. This is just my opinion and I needed to state it.
On the topic of the game: What are we going to see next, little, purple-purse-carrying, old ladies suing Take Two/Rockstar for the violent portrayal of their death by Vercetti? What about us gearheads suing because we don't all use our shops as chop shops and whore houses?
...... Sex Workers Outreach Project USA is made possible by a grant from Jack Thompson and by right wing nutjobs everywhere.
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You know, like "guns for toys"?
Except it will be "GTA for BJs".
Good on them. I agree with another poster that said this is the most logical argument that could be made against GTA.
As for the others, well I couldn't resist. How is consentual sex between two adults bad exactly? Oh and while we're on it, how exactly are prosititutes lower forms of life than others? They're just people like the rest of us who've chosen a particular profession.
C'mon people grow up.
It looks like Congress isn't the only group of whores who has a problem with GTA...
I'm guessing very. What happens when a boxer gets attacked?
Post-rock/Ambient/Drone and other noise.
extremely. non-consentual is still non-consentual.
thank you!
If you actually look at the SWOP website (http://www.swop-usa.org/ they're not calling for a ban or any kind of censorship. They're calling for people to vote with their dollars. That's a principled stand, given that they're not pro-censorship otherwise.
You think that's the prevailing attitude in this country? Holy crap, man. They practically put sex on cereal boxes.
You've got bigger problems than worrying about legalities if the woman you're having sex with is an ACTOR in your film...unless of course your film is "Best of Both Worlds".
I suppose it would be like shoplifting. They'd be more pissed off about not getting the money.
Mind you anyone who rapes a prostitute is just being cheap. Is £10 really worth prison?
I'm really rather shocked by the level of a lot of jokes on this forum. A lot of what's been said are really disrespectful and misinformed. Granted, there are ladies who get into prostitution on their own accord, but there is a vast majority who didn't, and even those who first consented end up wanting out. It's a difficult business to get out of, due to its physical / psychological effects. These women face a heckuva lot of hostility, danger, and emotional damage every single day from the clients and pimps they have to interact with. But I'm going to withhold further outburst of pissed-offery, since I'm realizing thatthis is something that very few guys will ever be able to relate to, to the chagrin of the women in this world who have to cater to the men's damn demand.
The sort of thing that passes for 'research' amongst the 'woman's rights' fraternity (ha ha).
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These gems culled from the reference given in the earlier post ( http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/faq/000010.ht
"Real sexual relationships are not hard to find. There are plenty of adults of both sexes who are willing to have sex if someone treats them well, and asks."
"Necrophilic child molesters enjoy the knowledge that, when the molesters are finished with them, the children's lives will never be the same."
And let's not forget that:
- when a hooker's boss (err, pimp) just wants to ride someone's butt to vent frustration or boredom, chances are he won't have the stamina to ride for hours. IT bosses can keep at it 8 hours in a row (preferrably starting in the afternoon)
- a hooker's client probably knows already what he wants or can make up his mind in a reasonable time. I don't expect anyone spent _months_ discussing whether he wants a blow-job or sex, or called a year worth of meetings to decide if he wants to be on top or underneath, just to avoid the responsibility of making a decision. (In a project I've been in, a PHB needed a year to decide whether he wants his reports printed landscape or portrait by default, and wouldn't accept the program until it printed by default in his orientation-of-the-day. In a program which let him do both already, _and_ came with a report editor so he could rearrange them as he flippin' sees fit anyway.)
- the hooker doesn't have to spend a lot of time in team-building/motivational/etc meetings (if you're a manager, don't kid yourself: you probably don't have the charisma for this. Boring 20 people to death with platitudes copied from a book does _not_ make them feel more motivated. Verbal masturbation about how great a leader you are, even less so, and it probably means you aren't), status report meetings, meetings where the boss is just bored and wants to talk about his vacation, and responsibility-avoiding meetings which are there only so we all talked about it (and had our feedback ignored) so noone is personally responsible for the decision... or lack thereof
- the hooker doesn't have to be diplomatic about it when someone tries to score some free sex (a la the "hey, can you come over and fix my computer/network/printer/etc for free?" in IT). Everyone can understand that a hooker does it for money, and won't turn deeply hurt and hostile when she does ask for money. But as an IT geek everyone assumes that by definition you have no life and would probably just sit there bored, staring at the walls, if people didn't call you to give you a virused computer to work on
- ditto when someone tries to get a free change-request disguised as "uh, I may have asked for a hand-job, and paid for a hand-job, but what I had in mind was really a blow-job. So now it's your fault for not giving me what I wanted, and you must give it to me for free." (I'm sure you had an idiot client like that by now if you're a programmer.)
- ditto when someone thinks he's so smart if he asks for "just a demo", and then tries to squeeze the final product functionality into the demo to avoid paying. I'm sure if you tried telling a hooker that you just want to see her naked to know what you're paying for, and then tried to change that little by little into being free sex, you'd get laughed at and told to fork over the cash.
- As a hooker you're paid if you do more work in a day, and noone will act as if it's your sacred duty to work an extra 4 to 8 hours a day for free, just to show loyalty and commitment to the company
- For that matter, as a hooker it's clear who brings in more money and who hasn't done any work in 3 years straight (cue the "you IT guys just cost us money" or "bah, we did just as well back in the days of typewriters and filing cabinets" comments, or Wally people making a living just with show-business for the boss's benefit, but with exactly zero job-related skill or productivity)
Etc.
All in all, I suspect the hooker has the more dignified job.
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Next we'll see this: "Gamespot has an article about an association of pedestrians protesting the GTA games. Apparently, the foot workers of the Foot Workers Outreach Project aren't too happy about their ingame counterparts being treated violently in the GTA games. They note that the games are a bad influence on children, and might encourage criminal and violent behavior towards pedestrians in real life."
That games worth $50 of my money no problem!
This means that most children are now expected to visit prostitues at some point in their lives?
I'm sure they would just laugh it off. After all, prostitutes are made of string aren't they?
Rape isn't about the sex, it's a physical and mental assault. Of course it's going to be traumatic and if you have to even ask that question then you've a pretty fucked-up view of people.
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You would think that it's common sense not to rape and murder people, but apparently some people are just too dumb to realise that. If it's OK in GTA, it must be OK in real life, right?
Actually, in GTA, the cops come after you, and rather than arresting you just open fire.
It seems like anyone who would normally be too dumb to survive in normal circumstances now just has to find someone to sue. Oh, you mean I shouldn't have stuck this tooth pick in my eye? What do you mean it could be sharp!?!
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
You go around, as the angle of death, wiping out communities of humans and vampires alike.
An evil god raises you from the dead to wipe the earth clean. Does this teach children something they shouldn't be learning?
Or in other news, movies about drug dealing often glorify (and rightly so) the lives of drug dealers, because they often have exciting lives. Does this teach children something they shouldn't be learning?
Even worse, watching politicians on TV lie about corruption, sex, drugs, drinking and influence teaches children how to use a silver tongue. Does this teach them something they shouldn't be learning?
Lack of information, lack of exposure, lack of knowledge never saved anyone. Ignorance is never bliss; and the only way you can confront hatred, violence, and deception is head on. "Saving" your children from these things only ensures that when they encounter them in 'the real world' they'll get hoodwinked, abused, or assaulted. Better to teach them, than to let them learn themselves.
This doesn't necessarily mean you should hand your kids GTA and tell 'em to go at it. But perhaps you should sit down and play it with them(assuming they have reached the age of reason (determining this is left as an exercise to the reader)), and stress that its a fun game, but its _fantasy_, and _dark_ fantasy at that. Parenting 101.
*shrug*. Or maybe your supposed to keep your kids in a pink room till they reached the age of 18, and then let them into the world, with no knowledge at all, with the sound assurance that all your prayer from 0-18 will encourage God to watch over them in their ignorance.....
*shrug*.
WhiteWolf666 an exBush supporter. All you new-school,compassionate,save the children Republicans can rot in hell
FSM in god mode?
Poor taste, I know, but funny.
In Real Life, good on 'em. Nice to see them bucking a stereotype.
The day has come when hookers object to entertainment, on ethical basis...
Is anyone else hiding in their home-made shelter saying their prayers, or is it just me?
From the article you linked to: "I don't care what any criminologist or psychologist says". That sums it up nicely, and that this comment came from a police detective that works with kids who are in danger of becoming gang members does explain why gang membership is on the rise, now doesn't it ?
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
One of the prostitutes said:
"Well, we are already used to fucking people for money, so we asked ourselves why not companies? I mean if an old fart can do it, who could be better than us?"
btw.
Do they realize prostitution is illegal, violence in "M" rated videogames is not?
Im just waiting for the headline "Mobsters, gangsta's and carjackers sue GTA makers for portraying them in a wrongful way"
Go ahead MOD my day!
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(I am sure the phrase is familiar to some of you...) all the same, you know something is wrong with the universe when a hooker cries immorality...in short, the only reason why their pissed is because they aren't makin any money off this deal. Shit, they should be enjoying new stigmatism attached to their "profession"...fuk it, they should have their OWN game, I can see it now. QUESTJOHN 2, or EVERJOHN, or maybe even CITY OF JOHN's, no? o well...how about...JOHN THEFT AUTO!! Like you could get rep for picking pockets and running up credit cards;D
being an american I naturally and intuitively love sex and violence, GTA or not, that's what I subscribe to and attach meaning(s) to event of either(i.e I get laid for a reason, I kicked his ass for a reason). This country has fostered my perspective to the meanings I attach to these events, because usually after all the bad guys are dead, the good guy's get laid, or at least have a better chance of getting laid. It is this same, very simple, fundamental idea of reward and punishment that has carried this country through a shit load of wars most of which we have arguably won and branded us with an image that the world is envious of(or used to be...)This game embodies the basic principles that most of us practice in our day to day lives. When we nullify something that is bad on our live's, we seek to be rewarded. When we we nullify something that is bad in someone else's life we seek to be rewarded. These ideas can be applied to every spectrum(school, work, personal, hooker, etc.)
It says that they want to BOYCOTT , not ban. There's a difference.
Jesus enjoyed hanging out with whores - at least they were honest.
He protested and spoke out against the priests of his day,
who did nothing to help anyone.
In the end it was religious nut cases that got Jesus killed.
Moral: Jesus says, 'Hang with hookers, avoid church on Sundays!'
I didn't know tht we let truck drivers post here
That is pretty damn funny, or maybe sad/funny, I'd kinda missed that...
yea, I really think that I'd try to turn it around and use it as an educational tool of sorts... "oh, you like that game? Well... notice what happens to you when this is the guy you are. You get shot at. Your friends and family get shot and killed. You end up shot, dead, or busted. It's fun as a video game, perhaps... because you get to go back to your save game like 5000 times so you can actually finish the game. Sadly, *you* only get to die once, and when you're busted you're not on the street the next day. Maybe you just want to keep that kind of experience in-game, and keep yourself and your family as safe as possible outside the game, huh?"... and then take the real-life examples that a person in that positon would know about and use them to contrast and compare the game to reality. I'd think doing something like that would be a lot more powerful, and connect with the kids a lot better than just dismissing the game outright.
Sometimes it's nice when something is 'just a game'. It'd be nice if violence was limited to games, really... I mean, that's what video games are *great* for : doing stuff that you'd *never* do in real life.
He did use it as an "educational" tool. He made people play it, and then, if they killed cops or did some other crime (in Grand Theft Auto), he would question them about it afterwards.
I don't know - feels kinda slimy, setting people up like that...
From what I've understood, being safe is the one of the major reasons for joining gangs. It's nice to have someone to watch your back.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Too true... though I guess you have to question, does it work ? Does it work in the long run ? Or does it make you even more of a target? Who does the gang protect you from... itself? Other gangs? Cops? Simple, lone bullies? Or would you rather be running with the pack than be *gasp* 'alone'?
Really, joining a gang turns out to be like joining any group- most folks do it to be part of the group, to be closer to some people they like and have similar interests with, because they lack any other stronger connection to people... it's just hard when you like being a tough guy, and someone keeps pushin' on what you have to do to be tough to the point of 'you want to be one of us? go knock over this store or wack this guy, then we'll think about it'... that's when you have a real decision to make.
If you don't mind doing others harm, you've already made that decision, though... but unless you're under the age of 12, I think you're likely to have a pretty good idea of the difference between doing harm to a real person and doing harm to a computer generated image of a person. Of course, it could turn out that I'm wrong about that, but despite the Nut Cases out there, I don't think we've really seen the crime wave you'd expect to be associated with the popularity of the GTA games... the Nut Cases would be nut cases with or without violent video games...
Funny, these things don't seem to have simple answers. I know, let's just blame the video games and ban *them* ! That's simple!
Um, ok. They wait 5 years to start protesting?
Rape != Sex. If you had any experience with either, you'd know that.
From the article:
Sex workers cry foul, say game "accrues points to players for the depiction of rape and murder of prostitutes."
Actually, as far as I know, you can NEVER rape prostitutes in the game - they approach you and get paid for their time and in fact, GTA San Andreas features missions where you have to SAVE them from violent, non-paying customers. If they think that either of these scenarios is upsetting, they are just complaining about their chosen career.
As for murder... well it's not targetted at prostitutes - it's anyone and everyone! So either the entire human race should hate these games or we should recognise each for what it is: a game; fiction based on some of the worst aspects of modern life (crime), and a satire of certain lifestyles in certain parts of the western world.
They are also NOT for kids and have been rated as such. Go to talk to the parents who keep giving GTA to minors.
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Also, sentences end with periods/full stops.
(I am not going to try to correct "thos is ORG", because I don't even know what you were trying to type.)
If you are posting plain old text (or even text that contains HTML, and you want newlines automatically turned into <br>s), then you should use the "Plain Old Text" setting.
Using "Code" to post prose is annoying to most people.
but Beyond Good & Evil was a really good game. :)
Nietzsche made a game too?
The old chap never ceases to surprise me..
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At least Ubisoft used "&" instead of "and", so it wasn't a total ripoff. :)