From one browncoat to another... CALL YOUR LOCAL THEATERS!!! Do NOT take for granted that the movie will be "playing in a theater near you"!
From where I'm standing, there won't be a theater withing a 100 mile radius showing Serenity. That is, unless they get bothered enough from fans calling in asking if/when it's showing. This might not be a problem for browncoats living in big cities. Living in central Nebraska, however, it appears that the Blue Sun corporation is oppressing browncoats in an attempt to stop the signal.
(as someone else so eloquently put it) Slashdot the theaters!
Needless to say, there is a planned convoy of about 40 browncoats planned for Sunday afternoon, in mass exodus from the control of the Alliance of Central Planets here, to witness the adventures of Mal and his outlaw crew. The cost of this transportation will be coming out of the would-be profits of local theaters for viewing other movies this fall.
I was originally planning on posting this message on the forums at browncoats.serenitymovie.com but I found the site non-responsive before coming here and finding that it has been slashdotted.
I understand this rather well. I clearly have stronger rationalization, analyitical, reasoning abilities etc than my wife has, but I watch her play a computer game where she matches objects of certain types in a row and she blows me away. I can calculate my way through a mines game in a blaze but I can't see half of what she sees in the match-up games.
I couldn't tell you who is more intelligent, but I can tell you who will perform better at certain tasks.
P.S. My intelligence quotient for changing diapers is very low.
Are you saying that since the guy received real cash for his virtual muggings that real world jurisdiction comes into play? No. Jurisdiction only counts on where the crime was committed. If a crime, as defined by the authorities of a virtual world/game, is committed, they have jurisdiction. No crime was committed under the jurisdiction of Japans' police. If the crime was committed in China and the criminal was on Japans' soil, along with the loot from the crime, Japans' law enforcement would only be responsible for extraditing the criminal to China for prosection at Chinas' request, if Japan agreed.
Since NCSoft does not define the muggings and theft as criminal activity, although it is still mugging and theft, it is not criminal as it is their jurisdiction. If there was a crime committed under their jurisdiction then it is up to them and NOT JAPANESE LAW ENFORCEMENT to bring the criminal to justice, on NCSoft grounds (the virtual world).
The only possible crime is violation of terms of service, which would be akin to using a screwdriver for a hammer.
Furthermore, if you want to argue that because he profited from his virtual theft he is accountable under Japans' law for assault and robbery... was there a PK involved? He should probably be prosecuted for murder as well. I hope he gets the death penalty. [/sarcasm]
I never said faith was better. I didn't say anything in favor of either aspect. I said it was a futile argument. Both sides of the argument are biased and have no reasonability between them. Truly objective scientists would have no inclination to prove or disprove God's hand in the origins of the universe. But since there's a great war in science pitting theists against atheists, neither side is unbiased and both are pushing their agendas in research and in debate. It's a circus.
I did say that I don't need to subject my faith to science. If that gets you flaming, oh well. I'm not defending my faith, it doesn't need defending. I believe, and that is entirely my responsibility. If you feel the need to evangelize to me and tell me "this is how it is" then I feel sorry for you, having nothing better to do than waste your time proselytizing or just trying to make me look like a fool. But I would appriciate it if you would be objective in this conversation, at least when it comes to representing my spoken opinion, to get it right and not to add or take away from what I said. Otherwise, you reduce the discussion to nonsense and make yourself the fool for not even getting right what I said, having had it right in front of your nose as your glazed eyes stared at your screen as you typed your reply to me.
Yes, science does not operate like mathematics. That goes along well with my statement that, in science, many variables are obscure or hidden. As far as the analogy, I'm sure calling it "open source" is accurate, but that doesn't make a big difference in my opinion BECAUSE many variables are obscure or hidden or confusing. Make it open source and then obfuscate it. It's open to the community but there are all sorts of things in dispute among the community all the time for all kinds of reasons. Open source in this case is open war.
As far as what is affected by changes in the theory of relativity, GPS is not one of them. Triangulation has nothing to do with relativity. But carbon-14 dating would be affected. The method of carbon-14 dating employs calculations based on relativity, for radioactive decay.
All analogies are flawed, if you press them beyond what is described as in the analogy you can always find fault with the models used. You haven't argued any of the points I made in the analogy, just attempting to expand the analogy showing mine incomplete, which it surely was. Even your expansion of the analogy is incomplete. That doesn't make the analogy poor or wrong. Analogies are tools used by the writer/speaker to get a point of similarity across, and at the discression of the author how far to take it. Surely it's a flawed analogy if you take it to the extreme: "but scientists aren't monkeys being fed peanuts while while locked in dark closets for 60+ hours per week to turn out products soley for their employers' gain."
And what blatant falsehoods? Oh, you're just flaming there, like 60% of the rest of your post. Inaccurate and biased source? Easy to say, but where's the follow-up describing inaccuracies and biases? You mean my sources for computer programming are inaccurate and biased?
No, a "correct" analogy would be it's like 100 open-source programming projects that have the same kernel and try to come together maybe quarterly to try to resolve conflicts and probe grounds for new work. Care to rebut again, saying that analogy is based on poor knowledge and biased sources, doing nothing to change that analogy but simply build upon it as though there's nothing wrong with the foundation of it?
Care to reply with something of substance instead of flaming?
Science is not truth. Truth may be discovered through science, but usually not without hundreds of misleading theorems preceeding the discovery of truth. We're still like children, playing with the building blocks of the universe trying to understand them. That is what science is. Science has made great leaps and bounds in the last hundred years, but speed is not accuracy. Recently, scientists have begun questioning the theory of relativity, suspecting it may be faulty. How much of science would be thrown off if the theory of relativity is eventually proven wrong?
My faith does not need to subject itself to new "understandings" of science. The possibility of findings being discovered as faulty is pretty good.
Science is not a horse to bet on, but it's sometimes interesting to watch a three-legged horse run.
Science is very much hit-and-miss, similar to computer programming. Unlike computer prorgamming, variables are often obscure or hidden. And just how many bugs are there in the software you run? A seemingly inexhaustable supply of flaws and errors.
Proponents of evolution are often critical of creationists for not being critical. Yet they, not being sufficiantly critical of their own faith in science, just prove the whole argument (on both sides) is just fueled by bias. It's a futile argument.
If there were a mod for ranting, I would probably have earned it here. I suppose I'll stop now, anyways.
FTA: '...as author H.G. Wells predicted, "the future will accost us with boob-slapping ferocity."'
What a wonderful, affectionate outlook on the future. I'm looking forward to experiencing the ferocious boob-slapping. I've never been so proud of a bruised face and bloodied nose.
I could see this being quite useful in telemarketing. Telemarketing companies usually favor people who measure up to the plain, unaccentuated speech that this machine is probably tuned to judge. A company could monitor the voice quality of it's employees, inexpensively adding feedback that can lead to improved call quality.
Or they can take this device to their labs and, through heinous experiments, produce a super smooth-talking salesman, whom the population cannot resist buying from. A telemarketer who could sell you your own soul. How terrifying.
Out of curiosity I looked this up. This is almost unbelievable, but it's true. Information is available at http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/index.jsp it's £126.50 per year for a color TV currently, which amounts to about $224. And if you're blind, you only have to pay 50% to watch TV!
I learned computer programming when I was young, toying around with BASIC that came with the operating system. It was a neat toy back then. The few commands and ease of the language was perfect for a beginner, and at a time when games and applications were also simple. You could aspire to write a game that's comparable to the games you played every day.
Today, there is no software compiler bundled with MS operating systems. Sure, you can run VB script. But the difficulty of actually doing something interesting on a novice level is discouraging. Having a free-use IDE (in whatever language) where simple drawing and user interaction is accomplishable at a novice level would boost interest a great deal, where currently the only viable solution to begin learning is to pirate an IDE and fiddle. Software and books on the subjects of computer programming have become so costly that no novice, whether ignorant or keenly aware of potential, can afford to purchase them.
Microsoft's fierce opposition to open-source software is another stumbling block. Open-source software was one of the greatest learning tools for me.
Many third-world countries don't enforce copyright protection. You can buy pirated copies of just about any major piece of software at very low costs. Foriegners have the upper-hand on the middle class and lower class in the US when it comes to affording an education in CS.
Computer programming today is comparable to rocket science yesterday, but you can't acquire a model rocket for less than $500.
The case brought up was about gratuitous nudity (Jennifer Connoly nekkid, as you said).
I don't discern a difference between gratuitous nudity and pornography. If you mean a porno flick, then sure there's a difference. A movie with gratuitous nudity has a few seconds of pornographical material (still porn), perhaps a little here and a little there. A porno flick is where gratuitous nudity is a theme. Both *contain* pornography.
The argument over censorship of art is something I think few really understand. The side accused of censoring art due to the inclusion of unnecessary erotica is demonized by the opposition for what amounts to nothing more than having respect (true respect) for sexuality. It just isn't precious if you throw it all around. I'd proudly be a prude.
Refusing to publish or distribute material in it's current form (e.g. Blockbuster refusing to carry movies rated NC-17) is in no way "strong-arming" producers. Producers may (or may not) choose to produce material suited to the policies of distributors, which the materials distributed reflects upon the distributor. It's the producers who "censor" their own material for a larger audience (greed). So they are the ones to fault, not Blockbuster.
In all fairness, I wouldn't care to be publicly known as a distributor of pornography. I can hardly fault Blockbuster for that same discression.
Sure, I used the wrong word. I did mean cable (although cable is broadcast via coax) when I said "broadcast" and not free air-broadcast. Don't be such a flamer.
In regard to Netflix, that's fine if you want to wait for the mail. I don't care to wait for the mailing of DVD movies. And censorship? What the hell are you talking about? Blockbuster movies don't have nudity? I'm all for Jennifer Connoly nekkid.
I did a quick web search to find out what the hell you're rambling about. Google for blockbuster censorship returned results about censoring music, not movies. Also, Wal-Mart appeared among the results as censors of music. I shop at Wal-Mart, too. I don't give a damn.
Apparently, however, there are a few results that claim Blockbuster is censoring movies. But the description of the actions of Blockbuster given does not sound at all like censorship. They simply refuse to carry movies that are rated NC-17 or X. That's fine with me. That's their business. It isn't censorship, they don't cut/edit the film.
If they were in fact censoring movies, do you think the world will end if not enough people get to see Jennifer Connoly's tits? The value of modern art is questionable. I don't find anything artistic about what amounts to porn. IMHO art should touch the heart, not the loins.
With already eye-gouging cable prices (at least in my area, about $45/mo basic, $98/mo includes a few premium movie channels) I've already opted out of broadcast. I'm sure the change to digital signals only will spike the prices again.
Blockbuster has a rental program now where you can borrow up to 2 movies at a time and keep them as long as you like, or return them for 2 new movies at any time for a monthly fee of about $25. Beats the shit out of cable. Who (besides kids) spends more than a couple hours per day (if even that) in front of a TV these days anyways? Is it really worth spending $3 per day when you can select what to watch from Blockbuster instead of being at the mercy of cable (in price and product)?
I used to despise Blockbuster for their high rental prices and painful late fees. Now I despise cable TV and Blockbuster is my hero.
Hello!? I believe the parent post is intended to mean classes of persons, not absolute poverty. But apparently everybody seemed to miss that.
You might as well argue that the CEO of (name the company of your favorite corporate scam) is not rich because Bill Gates is rich (assuming Microsoft is not the company named).
How will said logs be secure? How can we trust the security against hackers? Isn't it a violation of the basic security you're entitled to for this data, regarding your personal business on the internet, to be in the hands of another person without your consent?
We all know that politicians are crooks. We should crack down on crime starting with the largest corporation of criminals known in this country. We should demand that the day to day lives of every politician to be recorded. These records should be filed at your local library where you can then be granted by your local court to view the file of a politician that is suspect. Or the records could be stolen by theives or leaked by librarians.
If we are to give up our freedoms to them, at least demand they give up their freedoms first.
Perhaps they don't see this as such a violation due to an impression that the internet is not "real". But if it's not real then any evidence gathered from the internet to build a case on is not real.
Judge: The jurry shall disregard the evidence presented against the defendant because it's digital, and therefore, not real.
So is it real, and therefore, a violation of our rights to intrude our privacy in this way? Or is it not real, and therefore, worthless in the eyes of all legal matters?
Note: you'd better make sure you don't let Bin Laden use your internet connection, there'd be no way to prove it wasn't you.
Slashdot Mirror
From one browncoat to another... CALL YOUR LOCAL THEATERS!!! Do NOT take for granted that the movie will be "playing in a theater near you"!
From where I'm standing, there won't be a theater withing a 100 mile radius showing Serenity. That is, unless they get bothered enough from fans calling in asking if/when it's showing. This might not be a problem for browncoats living in big cities. Living in central Nebraska, however, it appears that the Blue Sun corporation is oppressing browncoats in an attempt to stop the signal.
(as someone else so eloquently put it) Slashdot the theaters!
Needless to say, there is a planned convoy of about 40 browncoats planned for Sunday afternoon, in mass exodus from the control of the Alliance of Central Planets here, to witness the adventures of Mal and his outlaw crew. The cost of this transportation will be coming out of the would-be profits of local theaters for viewing other movies this fall.
I was originally planning on posting this message on the forums at browncoats.serenitymovie.com but I found the site non-responsive before coming here and finding that it has been slashdotted.
They may put us down. But we will rise again.
A shining voice of reason! Mod parent up.
I understand this rather well. I clearly have stronger rationalization, analyitical, reasoning abilities etc than my wife has, but I watch her play a computer game where she matches objects of certain types in a row and she blows me away. I can calculate my way through a mines game in a blaze but I can't see half of what she sees in the match-up games.
I couldn't tell you who is more intelligent, but I can tell you who will perform better at certain tasks.
P.S. My intelligence quotient for changing diapers is very low.
Shouldn't it be the 187 hour work week? Because at the end of the week it kills you.
Are you saying that since the guy received real cash for his virtual muggings that real world jurisdiction comes into play? No. Jurisdiction only counts on where the crime was committed. If a crime, as defined by the authorities of a virtual world/game, is committed, they have jurisdiction. No crime was committed under the jurisdiction of Japans' police. If the crime was committed in China and the criminal was on Japans' soil, along with the loot from the crime, Japans' law enforcement would only be responsible for extraditing the criminal to China for prosection at Chinas' request, if Japan agreed.
Since NCSoft does not define the muggings and theft as criminal activity, although it is still mugging and theft, it is not criminal as it is their jurisdiction. If there was a crime committed under their jurisdiction then it is up to them and NOT JAPANESE LAW ENFORCEMENT to bring the criminal to justice, on NCSoft grounds (the virtual world).
The only possible crime is violation of terms of service, which would be akin to using a screwdriver for a hammer.
Furthermore, if you want to argue that because he profited from his virtual theft he is accountable under Japans' law for assault and robbery... was there a PK involved? He should probably be prosecuted for murder as well. I hope he gets the death penalty. [/sarcasm]
Paragraph 1 summary: flaming.
Paragraph 2 summary: legitimate conversation.
Paragraph 3 summary: flaming.
I never said faith was better. I didn't say anything in favor of either aspect. I said it was a futile argument. Both sides of the argument are biased and have no reasonability between them. Truly objective scientists would have no inclination to prove or disprove God's hand in the origins of the universe. But since there's a great war in science pitting theists against atheists, neither side is unbiased and both are pushing their agendas in research and in debate. It's a circus.
I did say that I don't need to subject my faith to science. If that gets you flaming, oh well. I'm not defending my faith, it doesn't need defending. I believe, and that is entirely my responsibility. If you feel the need to evangelize to me and tell me "this is how it is" then I feel sorry for you, having nothing better to do than waste your time proselytizing or just trying to make me look like a fool. But I would appriciate it if you would be objective in this conversation, at least when it comes to representing my spoken opinion, to get it right and not to add or take away from what I said. Otherwise, you reduce the discussion to nonsense and make yourself the fool for not even getting right what I said, having had it right in front of your nose as your glazed eyes stared at your screen as you typed your reply to me.
Yes, science does not operate like mathematics. That goes along well with my statement that, in science, many variables are obscure or hidden. As far as the analogy, I'm sure calling it "open source" is accurate, but that doesn't make a big difference in my opinion BECAUSE many variables are obscure or hidden or confusing. Make it open source and then obfuscate it. It's open to the community but there are all sorts of things in dispute among the community all the time for all kinds of reasons. Open source in this case is open war.
As far as what is affected by changes in the theory of relativity, GPS is not one of them. Triangulation has nothing to do with relativity. But carbon-14 dating would be affected. The method of carbon-14 dating employs calculations based on relativity, for radioactive decay.
All analogies are flawed, if you press them beyond what is described as in the analogy you can always find fault with the models used. You haven't argued any of the points I made in the analogy, just attempting to expand the analogy showing mine incomplete, which it surely was. Even your expansion of the analogy is incomplete. That doesn't make the analogy poor or wrong. Analogies are tools used by the writer/speaker to get a point of similarity across, and at the discression of the author how far to take it. Surely it's a flawed analogy if you take it to the extreme: "but scientists aren't monkeys being fed peanuts while while locked in dark closets for 60+ hours per week to turn out products soley for their employers' gain."
And what blatant falsehoods? Oh, you're just flaming there, like 60% of the rest of your post. Inaccurate and biased source? Easy to say, but where's the follow-up describing inaccuracies and biases? You mean my sources for computer programming are inaccurate and biased?
No, a "correct" analogy would be it's like 100 open-source programming projects that have the same kernel and try to come together maybe quarterly to try to resolve conflicts and probe grounds for new work. Care to rebut again, saying that analogy is based on poor knowledge and biased sources, doing nothing to change that analogy but simply build upon it as though there's nothing wrong with the foundation of it?
Care to reply with something of substance instead of flaming?
Science is not truth. Truth may be discovered through science, but usually not without hundreds of misleading theorems preceeding the discovery of truth. We're still like children, playing with the building blocks of the universe trying to understand them. That is what science is. Science has made great leaps and bounds in the last hundred years, but speed is not accuracy. Recently, scientists have begun questioning the theory of relativity, suspecting it may be faulty. How much of science would be thrown off if the theory of relativity is eventually proven wrong?
My faith does not need to subject itself to new "understandings" of science. The possibility of findings being discovered as faulty is pretty good.
Science is not a horse to bet on, but it's sometimes interesting to watch a three-legged horse run.
Science is very much hit-and-miss, similar to computer programming. Unlike computer prorgamming, variables are often obscure or hidden. And just how many bugs are there in the software you run? A seemingly inexhaustable supply of flaws and errors.
Proponents of evolution are often critical of creationists for not being critical. Yet they, not being sufficiantly critical of their own faith in science, just prove the whole argument (on both sides) is just fueled by bias. It's a futile argument.
If there were a mod for ranting, I would probably have earned it here. I suppose I'll stop now, anyways.
Speaking of porn an violence (from your sig)...
FTA: '...as author H.G. Wells predicted, "the future will accost us with boob-slapping ferocity."'
What a wonderful, affectionate outlook on the future. I'm looking forward to experiencing the ferocious boob-slapping. I've never been so proud of a bruised face and bloodied nose.
I could see this being quite useful in telemarketing. Telemarketing companies usually favor people who measure up to the plain, unaccentuated speech that this machine is probably tuned to judge. A company could monitor the voice quality of it's employees, inexpensively adding feedback that can lead to improved call quality.
Or they can take this device to their labs and, through heinous experiments, produce a super smooth-talking salesman, whom the population cannot resist buying from. A telemarketer who could sell you your own soul. How terrifying.
Wow, you're a smooooth talker!
Well... If the dirt fits then wear it.
Oh shit! And I'm at ground zero!
Bringing refuse back to the surface... so if the shuttle breaks apart in re-entry, it will become a flaming ball of shit descending upon us?
...next week, on "Survivor", see who will get voted off the shuttle!
Should they attempt a second attempt without planned planning?
Out of curiosity I looked this up. This is almost unbelievable, but it's true. Information is available at http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/index.jsp it's £126.50 per year for a color TV currently, which amounts to about $224. And if you're blind, you only have to pay 50% to watch TV!
in tents and porpoises
I learned computer programming when I was young, toying around with BASIC that came with the operating system. It was a neat toy back then. The few commands and ease of the language was perfect for a beginner, and at a time when games and applications were also simple. You could aspire to write a game that's comparable to the games you played every day.
Today, there is no software compiler bundled with MS operating systems. Sure, you can run VB script. But the difficulty of actually doing something interesting on a novice level is discouraging. Having a free-use IDE (in whatever language) where simple drawing and user interaction is accomplishable at a novice level would boost interest a great deal, where currently the only viable solution to begin learning is to pirate an IDE and fiddle. Software and books on the subjects of computer programming have become so costly that no novice, whether ignorant or keenly aware of potential, can afford to purchase them.
Microsoft's fierce opposition to open-source software is another stumbling block. Open-source software was one of the greatest learning tools for me.
Many third-world countries don't enforce copyright protection. You can buy pirated copies of just about any major piece of software at very low costs. Foriegners have the upper-hand on the middle class and lower class in the US when it comes to affording an education in CS.
Computer programming today is comparable to rocket science yesterday, but you can't acquire a model rocket for less than $500.
The case brought up was about gratuitous nudity (Jennifer Connoly nekkid, as you said).
I don't discern a difference between gratuitous nudity and pornography. If you mean a porno flick, then sure there's a difference. A movie with gratuitous nudity has a few seconds of pornographical material (still porn), perhaps a little here and a little there. A porno flick is where gratuitous nudity is a theme. Both *contain* pornography.
The argument over censorship of art is something I think few really understand. The side accused of censoring art due to the inclusion of unnecessary erotica is demonized by the opposition for what amounts to nothing more than having respect (true respect) for sexuality. It just isn't precious if you throw it all around. I'd proudly be a prude.
Refusing to publish or distribute material in it's current form (e.g. Blockbuster refusing to carry movies rated NC-17) is in no way "strong-arming" producers. Producers may (or may not) choose to produce material suited to the policies of distributors, which the materials distributed reflects upon the distributor. It's the producers who "censor" their own material for a larger audience (greed). So they are the ones to fault, not Blockbuster.
In all fairness, I wouldn't care to be publicly known as a distributor of pornography. I can hardly fault Blockbuster for that same discression.
Sure, I used the wrong word. I did mean cable (although cable is broadcast via coax) when I said "broadcast" and not free air-broadcast. Don't be such a flamer.
In regard to Netflix, that's fine if you want to wait for the mail. I don't care to wait for the mailing of DVD movies. And censorship? What the hell are you talking about? Blockbuster movies don't have nudity? I'm all for Jennifer Connoly nekkid.
I did a quick web search to find out what the hell you're rambling about. Google for blockbuster censorship returned results about censoring music, not movies. Also, Wal-Mart appeared among the results as censors of music. I shop at Wal-Mart, too. I don't give a damn.
Apparently, however, there are a few results that claim Blockbuster is censoring movies. But the description of the actions of Blockbuster given does not sound at all like censorship. They simply refuse to carry movies that are rated NC-17 or X. That's fine with me. That's their business. It isn't censorship, they don't cut/edit the film.
If they were in fact censoring movies, do you think the world will end if not enough people get to see Jennifer Connoly's tits? The value of modern art is questionable. I don't find anything artistic about what amounts to porn. IMHO art should touch the heart, not the loins.
blah blah blah... flame flame flame...
With already eye-gouging cable prices (at least in my area, about $45/mo basic, $98/mo includes a few premium movie channels) I've already opted out of broadcast. I'm sure the change to digital signals only will spike the prices again.
Blockbuster has a rental program now where you can borrow up to 2 movies at a time and keep them as long as you like, or return them for 2 new movies at any time for a monthly fee of about $25. Beats the shit out of cable. Who (besides kids) spends more than a couple hours per day (if even that) in front of a TV these days anyways? Is it really worth spending $3 per day when you can select what to watch from Blockbuster instead of being at the mercy of cable (in price and product)?
I used to despise Blockbuster for their high rental prices and painful late fees. Now I despise cable TV and Blockbuster is my hero.
According to my calculations, 98.23% of those are not homeless. However, it must be awfully crowded in your head.
Hello!? I believe the parent post is intended to mean classes of persons, not absolute poverty. But apparently everybody seemed to miss that.
You might as well argue that the CEO of (name the company of your favorite corporate scam) is not rich because Bill Gates is rich (assuming Microsoft is not the company named).
"The right of the people to be secure..."
How will said logs be secure? How can we trust the security against hackers? Isn't it a violation of the basic security you're entitled to for this data, regarding your personal business on the internet, to be in the hands of another person without your consent?
We all know that politicians are crooks. We should crack down on crime starting with the largest corporation of criminals known in this country. We should demand that the day to day lives of every politician to be recorded. These records should be filed at your local library where you can then be granted by your local court to view the file of a politician that is suspect. Or the records could be stolen by theives or leaked by librarians.
If we are to give up our freedoms to them, at least demand they give up their freedoms first.
Perhaps they don't see this as such a violation due to an impression that the internet is not "real". But if it's not real then any evidence gathered from the internet to build a case on is not real.
Judge:
The jurry shall disregard the evidence presented against the defendant because it's digital, and therefore, not real.
So is it real, and therefore, a violation of our rights to intrude our privacy in this way? Or is it not real, and therefore, worthless in the eyes of all legal matters?
Note: you'd better make sure you don't let Bin Laden use your internet connection, there'd be no way to prove it wasn't you.