> How do you know these are not burned CDs from iTunes music store, copies of purchased originals which are in a bookshelf for safekeeping > or fair use copies from family members?
Well, since I know I would never pay so much for music to fill an 30-60 GB mp3 player, and nobody in my circle of friends would also, I assume very few people generally would. Everybody generally copies like theres no tomorrow. There is just too much good music out there to be all bought, so you must be really hefty indoctrinated with this "intellectual property" nonsense to voluntarily decide to stay musically illiterate and not download it, although you know that it makes absolutely no difference if you download music worth hundreds of bucks per month or not, when you wouldnt have the money to pay for all of it in the first place.
You maybe do not care, but also have to bear the consequences, i.e. if some important functionality is removed from the code due to US patent infringement, it will then most probably not exist in an separate european version because of the amount of work for the developers which would be needed to maintain two versions.
> Aqua has been optimized for Mac hardware. X11 (unless you've compiled it yourself) probably hasn't been optimized to as great of an extent.
Thats bullshit.
How do you think you can "optimize" some widget library for the hardware? You either have drivers for the graphic card running or you dont. Just recompiling some text editor doesnt "glue" it more to the underlying hardware. Or, by going with your logic, why couldnt someone just offer an "optimized" version of X for the Mac hardware in the first place?
> Maybe encrypting these channels would be a better idea - like with Premiere.
It wouldn't, since they are so bad nobody would continue to pay if it were opt in, and they would disappear over night.
> This would make the GEZ and their annoying (and probably expensive) officers obsolete and clarify that so called "public TV" is in fact Pay TV.
If they would open themseves to competition, they would have to start to.... compete, which means make what people want to see instaed what they think is the best for them. For someone so bad as the german state television any kind of competition would be suicidal, so they have to continue to base their financing on collectin it by govermental force.
> I am sure they can be sued in the USA for copyright infringement.
They cant. Allofmp3 does neither operate in the US nor do they have offices in the US which could be bound to US law. And they also dont do anything which would be illegal under russian law. Theyre simply some russians running a company in russia. Why should they care if some people from overseas click around on their website? Would you care if some iranians tried to purchase access to a US porn site?
Of course, you can be sued in the US for anything you do anywhere on this planet (or, in future, in the space) an american citizen or company doesnt like, but lets forget that for a minute.
His facts, upon which he built his flawed logic, arent correct either. allofmp3.com is _not_ illegal, it operates perfectly legal under russian law. Apart from the fact that some folks are pissed because the law of some foreign country on the other side of the globe doesnt work for them, doesnt make the practices of theis russian company any less legal.
They operate in russia, their servers are on russian soil, they do not have a local branch in the US, they do not even promote their service to US citizens, so how exactly do they fullfill the definition of "illegal"? How is it different from having them ship CDs for example? It may be illegal for an US citizen to posess such audio files bought there, but i doubt that this is the case.
They dont have a licence to sell music this way in the US - so they dont. They sell it to you in Russia, and then you download it from their russian server to the US.
The withdraval of Visa now doesnt seem to have anything to do with the legality of allofmp3, for me it seems like a favor they aer doing someone in the music industry, at the price of all the transaction fees they lose this way.
> They ought to consider themselves lucky that Kabul didn't disappear in a blinding flash and a mushroom cloud.
Which would be a mass murder of civilists you obviously would wholeheartedly support.
> That's what can happen when you attack a nuclear armed state.
I think the lesson to be learned here is when the "nuclear armed state" fucks arround with people around the world and invade their countries one by one not even their nuclear weapons can prevent scenarios like 9-11 or Beslan.
Just withdraw your troops from the rest of the world, dont molest them and leave them alone, and youll be fine. If for example another large country Brasil can live on without attacking another country every five years, the US maybe could learn too to not live by the sword (and not having to fear anybody wearing a box cutter.) (Why the fsck do I have to explain it to you, isnt this obvious?!?!)
> I'm not in the US. The only place I can think where it's not likely to be synonamous is China or Japan but I don't know.
Europe for example.
The Ipod here is not only not a synonyme for "mp3 player", but also not the most popular player at all. Probbably only 1 out of 10 people you see carrying a player in large western cities doesnt have a Ipod as their player.
I assume that the situation in the poorer, eastern europe is even less favorable for Apple, and that the ipod fractions in the player market are even smaller.
As I see it, the ubiquity of the "Ipod" is mostly a US thing. Probably the same way the words "xerox" or "hoover" never caught on in the rest of the world, "ipod" wont too.
In the freedom to rape children in the ass an film it, as 99% of users of anonymous networks do?
> enough to do it anyway.
They overlooked that they on the other side also believed in freedom of the rapists to take the childrens freedom not to get ass raped and filmed at it.
> How does that make the harrassment justifiable?
Because they knowingly aid children rapists in exchanging rape movies, just for the small, negligible chance that there among all the child porn, there would be some *.txt file criticising the chinese goverment.
> advocating the piracy of works over which it has no rights whatsoever.
You obviously have no idea what "piracy" is. Copying a track from a CD to a player is _not_ "piracy", regardless of the author being happy about this or not.
> You are *not* free to copy any music you like, for personal use.
Which in the real world, just doesnt matter. I dont know in which fascistic dimension you are residing, but here its quite normal for _anybody_ who ever purchased a digital player to copy tracks onto it.
Actually they dont need excuses for some totalitarian fuckers like you. They do it because sharing and copying stuff is natural for them.
This is maybe a reason sharing and copying isnt limited to "17 yr old punks", as you would like them to be, to make them look more "suspect", or "guilty", but also to _all_ their peers, their parents, their gradnparents, their younger siblings (as soon as theyre old enough to use a computer). Everybody does it.
That you seem upset obout humans engaging in a extremely human activity, which you would like to see artificially restricted to profit from the need created by this restriction, is understandable, but it doesnt make you less a dictating fucker. Forbiding the people to make copies of stuff, so you can make copies of stuff and then sell them, and cry foul if somebody dares to ignore the rules you set for your advantage and for their disadvantage, is as shameless as, for example, disallowing Eskimos to melt ice, and punish them if they do, so you can sell them water. As shameless, and, as you will find out soon, as futile...
Since bringing this convenience to the customer isn't much of additional work for the publisher, there is actually no added value to justify the higher price. So in the end the publisher gets paid more without delivering more.
But under russian law they _are_ allowed to sell it, and they get billed by artist organisations like every other radio station in Europe.
It's not a different argument, it's just a different law.
"Intellectual property" is not something inherent to every law text, since it is crreated artificially and contrary to a natural understanding of peoples rights. It is either defined very strictly, to maximize the authors and publishers profits, as in the US, or rather laxly, as for example in Russia or in China, to make it possible for the poor masses to take part in out modern culture.
So something which is considered "property" in the US, may not automatically be a property in other countries.
> arrogant attitude against other people's property.
It isn't their "property". They may have have some govermental institutions force people to stop exchaniging material so he can make momeny by copying it and then selling copies to them, but it isn't his "property". The only reason this word is used is to fool people in believing it were the same as material property, which it simply isn't. So stop that bullshit already.
> It didn't feel right.
Oh yes, and how it did.
> It may have been legal in Sweden, but that doesn't make it right, > just as much as something being illegal makes it wrong.
Copying being illegal somwhere or you considering it wrong doesn't make it wrong.
> I felt that this "information free" bullshit was just a cover
You felt wrong. It wasn't.
> Iraq may be in the bad,
They weren't.
> may have broken internation laws,
They actually haven't.
> but just because they did doesn't mean the U.S. can act lawlessly as it pleases.
They can, and how they can. Everybody saw how they can, and everybody heard them threatening various other countries and threatening to do it again.
I don't have further objections with the rest of your comment. Have a nice day.
> GPL-guy: Argh, they used my code!:-/ > BSD-guy: Cool, they used my code!:-)
Actually, its somewhat different:
GPL-guy: They sue people who copy my code.:-/
In contrast to:
BSD-guy: They sue people who copy my code. *shrugs*
or (my very favourite):
Apfel-guy: They sue people who copy BSD code.:-)))))) (Because they refuse to buy a completely new computer to run it, and thus Apfel loses a purchase.) (P.S. Steve Jobs is a god.)
> Why is clean design so darn hard for every company but Apple?
Because you' re a blinded, brainwashed Apple fanboy, and actually not caring about non-Apple products for the single reason being them not being produced by... Apple?
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> How do you know these are not burned CDs from iTunes music store, copies of purchased originals which are in a bookshelf for safekeeping
> or fair use copies from family members?
Well, since I know I would never pay so much for music to fill an 30-60 GB mp3 player, and nobody in my circle of friends would also, I assume very few people generally would. Everybody generally copies like theres no tomorrow. There is just too much good music out there to be all bought, so you must be really hefty indoctrinated with this "intellectual property" nonsense to voluntarily decide to stay musically illiterate and not download it, although you know that it makes absolutely no difference if you download music worth hundreds of bucks per month or not, when you wouldnt have the money to pay for all of it in the first place.
> AFAIK, no one requested the Zune.
And no one requested the Mac Ipod either before its introduction.
You maybe do not care, but also have to bear the consequences, i.e. if some important functionality is removed from the code due to US patent infringement, it will then most probably not exist in an separate european version because of the amount of work for the developers which would be needed to maintain two versions.
> Aqua has been optimized for Mac hardware. X11 (unless you've compiled it yourself) probably hasn't been optimized to as great of an extent.
Thats bullshit.
How do you think you can "optimize" some widget library for the hardware? You either have drivers for the graphic card running or you dont. Just recompiling some text editor doesnt "glue" it more to the underlying hardware. Or, by going with your logic, why couldnt someone just offer an "optimized" version of X for the Mac hardware in the first place?
If it lets all the light pass through it, then its invisible. If it absorbs all the light, and reflects nothing or little, then its black.
> If they can police porno, they can't then claim to be unable to police copyrighted content.
Actually porn is copyrighted content itself, so they just selectively delete copyrighted content that contains nudity, and let the music videos stay.
> The MacBook Pro is a Mac, not a PC.
Besides running some other OS than the most PCS i failt to seee why a "Mac" isnt an Apple PC, apple just happens to call a "Mac".
> Why would anyone compare it to a Dell or Toshiba that runs Winblows?
To check how it compares to other PCs?
> I buy a Mac to run MacOS X and couldn't care less about hacking it to work with Windows so I can run PC viruses and spyware.
Then youre not the target group for such an article and you can easily click it off.
> Maybe encrypting these channels would be a better idea - like with Premiere.
It wouldn't, since they are so bad nobody would continue to pay if it were opt in, and they would disappear over night.
> This would make the GEZ and their annoying (and probably expensive) officers obsolete and clarify that so called "public TV" is in fact Pay TV.
If they would open themseves to competition, they would have to start to.... compete, which means make what people want to see instaed what they think is the best for them. For someone so bad as the german state television any kind of competition would be suicidal, so they have to continue to base their financing on collectin it by govermental force.
> I am sure they can be sued in the USA for copyright infringement.
They cant. Allofmp3 does neither operate in the US nor do they have offices in the US which could be bound to US law. And they also dont do anything which would be illegal under russian law. Theyre simply some russians running a company in russia. Why should they care if some people from overseas click around on their website? Would you care if some iranians tried to purchase access to a US porn site?
Of course, you can be sued in the US for anything you do anywhere on this planet (or, in future, in the space) an american citizen or company doesnt like, but lets forget that for a minute.
> your logic fails.
His facts, upon which he built his flawed logic, arent correct either.
allofmp3.com is _not_ illegal, it operates perfectly legal under russian law. Apart from the fact that some folks are pissed because the law of some foreign country on the other side of the globe doesnt work for them, doesnt make the practices of theis russian company any less legal.
They operate in russia, their servers are on russian soil, they do not have a local branch in the US, they do not even promote their service to US citizens, so how exactly do they fullfill the definition of "illegal"? How is it different from having them ship CDs for example? It may be illegal for an US citizen to posess such audio files bought there, but i doubt that this is the case.
They dont have a licence to sell music this way in the US - so they dont. They sell it to you in Russia, and then you download it from their russian server to the US.
The withdraval of Visa now doesnt seem to have anything to do with the legality of allofmp3, for me it seems like a favor they aer doing someone in the music industry, at the price of all the transaction fees they lose this way.
> 2% bought the hype. 98% didn't.
The 2% who buy the whole Mac hype and provide the 2% market share are enough to make Apple sustainable.
> They ought to consider themselves lucky that Kabul didn't disappear in a blinding flash and a mushroom cloud.
Which would be a mass murder of civilists you obviously would wholeheartedly support.
> That's what can happen when you attack a nuclear armed state.
I think the lesson to be learned here is when the "nuclear armed state" fucks arround
with people around the world and invade their countries one by one not even their
nuclear weapons can prevent scenarios like 9-11 or Beslan.
Just withdraw your troops from the rest of the world, dont molest them and leave them
alone, and youll be fine. If for example another large country Brasil can live on
without attacking another country every five years, the US maybe could learn too to
not live by the sword (and not having to fear anybody wearing a box cutter.)
(Why the fsck do I have to explain it to you, isnt this obvious?!?!)
> I'm not in the US. The only place I can think where it's not likely to be synonamous is China or Japan but I don't know.
Europe for example.
The Ipod here is not only not a synonyme for "mp3 player", but also not the most popular player at all. Probbably only 1 out of 10 people you see carrying a player in large western cities doesnt have a Ipod as their player.
I assume that the situation in the poorer, eastern europe is even less favorable for Apple, and that the ipod fractions in the player market are even smaller.
As I see it, the ubiquity of the "Ipod" is mostly a US thing. Probably the same way the words "xerox" or "hoover" never caught on in the rest of the world, "ipod" wont too.
> but they believed in freedom
In the freedom to rape children in the ass an film it, as 99% of users of anonymous networks do?
> enough to do it anyway.
They overlooked that they on the other side also believed in freedom of the rapists to take the childrens freedom not to get ass raped and filmed at it.
> How does that make the harrassment justifiable?
Because they knowingly aid children rapists in exchanging rape movies, just for the small, negligible chance that there among all the child porn, there would be some *.txt file criticising the chinese goverment.
> Where did the human race take such a drastically wrong turn that we ended up with this type of decision making the people we place our trust in?
It actually isn't the "human race", but only the US software patent system.
> they happen to have a well supported standard configuration.
> That's great but not really anything exceptional.
It seems to work well enough for Apple.
> Please don't call Linux "UNIX".
Or what? Will you tell my mother? Like Richard does every time I forgot the "GNU/"?
> It's really not, in a number of important software ways
But it is still similar enough to be called UNIXy.
> but especially in legally binding trademark ways.
Oh, oh, oh, I think misusing a holy commercial trademark in a discussion forum will not be giving me sleepless nights, actually.
> advocating the piracy of works over which it has no rights whatsoever.
You obviously have no idea what "piracy" is. Copying a track from a CD to a player is _not_ "piracy", regardless of the author being happy about this or not.
> You are *not* free to copy any music you like, for personal use.
Which in the real world, just doesnt matter. I dont know in which fascistic dimension you are residing, but here its quite normal for _anybody_ who ever purchased a digital player to copy tracks onto it.
Actually they dont need excuses for some totalitarian fuckers like you. They do it because sharing and copying stuff is natural for them.
This is maybe a reason sharing and copying isnt limited to "17 yr old punks", as you would like them to be, to make them look more "suspect", or "guilty", but also to _all_ their peers, their parents, their gradnparents, their younger siblings (as soon as theyre old enough to use a computer). Everybody does it.
That you seem upset obout humans engaging in a extremely human activity, which you would like to see artificially restricted to profit from the need created by this restriction, is understandable, but it doesnt make you less a dictating fucker. Forbiding the people to make copies of stuff, so you can make copies of stuff and then sell them, and cry foul if somebody dares to ignore the rules you set for your advantage and for their disadvantage, is as shameless as, for example, disallowing Eskimos to melt ice, and punish them if they do, so you can sell them water. As shameless, and, as you will find out soon, as futile...
> You're paying extra for the convenience.
Since bringing this convenience to the customer isn't much of additional work for the publisher, there is actually no added value to justify the higher price. So in the end the publisher gets paid more without delivering more.
But under russian law they _are_ allowed to sell it, and they get billed by artist organisations like every other radio station in Europe.
It's not a different argument, it's just a different law.
"Intellectual property" is not something inherent to every law text, since it is crreated artificially and contrary to a natural understanding of peoples rights. It is either defined very strictly, to maximize the authors and publishers profits, as in the US, or rather laxly, as for example in Russia or in China, to make it possible for the poor masses to take part in out modern culture.
So something which is considered "property" in the US, may not automatically be a property in other countries.
> arrogant attitude against other people's property.
It isn't their "property". They may have have some govermental institutions force people to stop exchaniging material so he can make momeny by copying it and then selling copies to them, but it isn't his "property". The only reason this word is used is to fool people in believing it were the same as material property, which it simply isn't. So stop that bullshit already.
> It didn't feel right.
Oh yes, and how it did.
> It may have been legal in Sweden, but that doesn't make it right,
> just as much as something being illegal makes it wrong.
Copying being illegal somwhere or you considering it wrong doesn't make it wrong.
> I felt that this "information free" bullshit was just a cover
You felt wrong. It wasn't.
> Iraq may be in the bad,
They weren't.
> may have broken internation laws,
They actually haven't.
> but just because they did doesn't mean the U.S. can act lawlessly as it pleases.
They can, and how they can. Everybody saw how they can, and everybody heard them threatening various other countries and threatening to do it again.
I don't have further objections with the rest of your comment. Have a nice day.
> GPL-guy: Argh, they used my code! :-/ :-)
:-/
:-)))))) (Because they refuse to buy a completely new computer to run it, and thus Apfel loses a purchase.) (P.S. Steve Jobs is a god.)
> BSD-guy: Cool, they used my code!
Actually, its somewhat different:
GPL-guy: They sue people who copy my code.
In contrast to:
BSD-guy: They sue people who copy my code. *shrugs*
or (my very favourite):
Apfel-guy: They sue people who copy BSD code.
> Why is clean design so darn hard for every company but Apple?
Because you' re a blinded, brainwashed Apple fanboy, and actually not caring about non-Apple products for the single reason being them not being produced by... Apple?
> An extra $200 earned on those who must have black.
Apart from that it's not "earned" at all, just charged knowing people will pay it. Additional effort for making it black = zero.