This man makes a horrible mistake that will likely haunt him and his family forever, and all some of the people here can say is "I'm upset that he hasn't been charged," or "he should be locked up."
Because that's the solution here...For the state to lock the guy up. Yeah, because incarceration has worked so well to fix all of the problems in our utopia called America.
As if jail time going to bring the girl back, or undo what happened.
It was a horrible accident, and yeah, as a gun owner the man should have known better - but accidents happen. People forget to follow proper procedure on occasion, and on this occasion that error led to this accident.
Trust me, if there was anything fishy about this situation or about this guy they would have him locked up.
The parents should be left alone. The LAST thing they need is for the state lock them up after something like this happens - there is no worse punishment than what they are already going through.
Then I am sure we'll have the usual crowd ready to throw all of our rights under the bus with the tired, old, ridiculous "let's ban guns" argument - you know, because criminals that are ready to kill or rob or break every law inm the book will definitely decide to obey a new gun law because.......because why?
The only thing that I would hope for out of all of this is that it serves as a sobering reminder how very important safety and following procedure is when you are dealing with any tool that has the capacity to kill or maim (firearms, vehicles, power tools, electricity, etc)...
In addition to firearms safety, this is as much about home safety and "childproofing" as it is anything else.
(seriously...in addition to the obvious reasons why this is such an awful idea, there is going to be a very large population of people who will see this as "the mark of the beast.")
If the patient is terminal and wants to die, they should die when they wish to; by whatever means are necessary...The fact that the government prosecutes people in some places for euthanasia is disgusting.
I am the IT director for a medical device company - we make software that runs on laptops which connected to physiological monitors, and the way these connect is via a serial port. I procure the laptops, etc and this has been a major problem since the DB ports started being phased out around 2005 or so.
Serial ports have disappeared from almost all consumer laptops; basically any laptop made for anything other than business or utilitarian use no longer has one.
Models which do have serial ports still are Panasonic Toughbooks, one model of Dell Latitude, and HP and Toshiba both have at least one model. (these are the ones I know about).
USB to serial (DB9) adaptors are convenient and nice and all that, but when things like timing matter they are not reliable - so for things like military and medical applications, they aren't a good way to go.
As far as USB to Serial adaptors go, we've tried all of them, and in my opinion, when it comes to proper timing and reliable usage, the Belkins are the best.
I've lived all over the US, and California does have it's fair share of problems, (like every other state) but you sound like a pretentious asshole who doesn't know what they're talking about and likely has never even visited the state, or has only seen LA or something.
They have horrible gun laws. I will say that.
It's a large, large state - with a lot of very different areas. People like to bash CA, mainly due to their impression of Hollywood and the shite it puts out.
My understanding wasn't that the this application transmitted sounds - only still pictures.
As far as splitting a sentence between the subject and the body of the post, some people like it, some people think it lacks style, but I have never heard it referred to as rude, but to each their own; for a short post like that I hardly think it matters - but if you enjoy pointing things like that out, knock yourself out.
"Grizzlymuff" "linksys" "hey 2b I wanna jizz on yr face" "NDBinternet"....and yes, the girl in 2b is incredibly hot, I'm sure that's why someone chose to send the entire building (and surrounding bldg's) that incredibly classy message.
I think this is really funny - because what could anybody do about it?
I wonder if there is anything someone could put in their SSID that would actually cause people to call the police? I mean, obvious things like endorsing blowing up federal bldgs or child abuse might, but then how would they find it? - I mean, obviously it could be done, but would they really do it, just over an SSID - and would they actually try to charge someone?
When I said "The guy came out and admitted what he did" I wasn't suggesting that he came out on his own and exposed what he had done - everyone knows the guy got caught.
I wouldn't call a pseudonym a "professional deception" without seeing more evidence that that was primarily how it was used. I have a different definition of "grifter" than you do.
My point wasn't that what he did was ok, or wasn't wrong - only that in the grand scheme of things it's not that unusual, there are worse examples, and that the guy is going to suffer to what is, IMO, an appropriate enough degree.
I never said anything excuses anything.
I always find it strange when people seem to respond to things I never said as if they were part of my post...
This entire situation is designed to help coerce people and legislators into supporting further restrictions on internet freedom and more - it's entirely apparent.
The other thing that should be apparent is that our intelligence services and military aren't stupid. They've been recruiting people with skills for years.
We're not unprepared; where we stand against Russia and CHina I don't know, but to say we're not ready just doesn't ring true to me.
I think some people are being a bit harsh. Self important? Definitely. Made bad decisions? Definitely...
The guy came right out and admitted what he did, and people make mistakes. It's very difficult to understand a situation unless you have been in that person's shoes.
He's gotta deal with the fallout over what he did, professionally and in public - and IMO, that's enough.
I guarantee that there are worse assholes posting less credible information all over the place. The moral of the story is that if you buy into the hype machine and sell your credibility to increase your standing it WILL eventually bite you on the ass; and also - it's a good idea to be able to do your own testing if you're really interested in understanding any particular piece of technology, because when money and ego are involved, you can't except anything at face value 100% of the time.
to put a piece of duct or electrical tape over the cam lens.
I don't care what the school tells you, these people were spying on you. Perbix is obviously a voyeur who got off on being able to do this, and with students posting about how they were FORCED to use these laptops and how any attempt to disable the software could result in expulsion - I would NOT trust that school district, because the only reason this is coming out is because they got caught.
I would tape the cam lens, and if anyone said anything about it, you would know that the the cam had been actived at a time when the laptop HAD NOT been reported stolen.
Even if the kid was shoving heroin suppositories up his ass, it wouldn't make a difference.
Aside from the serious issue of surruptitiously spying on a minor, it's not the school's job or mandate to watch what kids do in the privacy of their home, legal, illegal, or indifferent. They have no right, and if this were evidence in a trial it would be rejected.
I am well aware of what the school CLAIMS the software is there for, in fact, they likely are telling the truth - regardless of that though, the fact is that the information on how to control the cam was either abused or not properly secured. Anybody with a brain knows that people have voyeuristic tendencies, especially when teenagers are involved.
Total bullshit. I wonder what would have happened had they physically stopped him? Did this police just buy Mike Turner's bullshit?
I have another suggestion though - and that is for anyone who would want this game to not purchase it. A boycott, along with a piracy campaign - pirate the shit out of it. It;s about time piracy be used for altruistic purposes.
Could they file suit in the US or wherever the parent company is located?
If all this did was modify or delete the system32 directory, then the data is still going to be on the drives and should be easily recoverable - so I wouldn't refer to those machines as "essentially destroyed," - I wouldn't even refer to the data as "destroyed."
All it means is the machine wont boot normally. I know for most users that renders the machine temporarily useless, but even a low level IT tech should be able to recover data or get the system booting again, there are about 5 different ways to do it.
That doesn't change the fact that someone unleashed this on a civic network, but it bothers me when electronic attacks are described in a way that makes them sound much worse than they actually are - because we already have the government looking to use "cyber security" as the next big issue which they'll surely try to tackle via censorship, privacy violations, internet filtering, and wrongheaded laws.
Yes, I still remember them, those jokes were told incessantly...Almost all of them had to do with Christa MacAuliffe (Sp?) - I am thinking it's because she was a teacher and the highest profile member of the crew.
How do you get rid of your favorite teacher? You "challenge 'er"
Many US politicians, corporations and intelligence agecnies loooove to talk about how China should allow internet freedom, while at the same time they're looking for ways to curtail our freedom online over here. Their whole wet dream is for the US internet to be like China's.
So now we get to overhear 'lowest-common-denominator-TV' addicted assholes actually watching their shows, like "The Hills," and "Jersey Shore," in public, on the train, at the grocery store? Kill me now.
Sports fans foaming at the mouth and screaming over some perfect or missed play...
Idiots trying to watch TV and drive (I was kidding a bit before, but this is the one that really scares me).
Don't get me wrong, I love technology and can see certain times where this might be interesting, and I am all for personal freedom - but I am not enjoying the thought of some of the practicalities of life with widespread adoption of such a system.
I don't care what the NY Times or LA Times think about ecommerce sites collecting sales taxes. Obviously they're functioning as a mouthpiece for other interests.
It seems that the US government and certain corporate interests aren't going to rest until everything that is great about the internet is destroyed; I am far more concerned about censorship/free speech/organizing potential online thanI am about taxes, but whether it's:
country-wide filtering schemes, trying to expose bloggers to liability/loss of freedom for reporting news that powerful interests don't like, All sorts of plans to violate due process/4th amendment rights in the name of groups like the RIAA/MPAA (when "Hollywood" earned far more money this year than any other), talk of a unique digital online ID, (like an online social security card) that everyone would be required to use to go online so any activities can be traced back to a real name, network neutrality stuff...
All of this stuff seems to me to have the same goal - taming the internet, turning it from something wonderful into an apparatus that collects information and money on behalf of the state while at the same time ending extremely important sites like Wikileaks, and stopping the free flow and dispersion of information (because the powers that be want to control what you know and learn about)....
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This man makes a horrible mistake that will likely haunt him and his family forever, and all some of the people here can say is "I'm upset that he hasn't been charged," or "he should be locked up."
Because that's the solution here...For the state to lock the guy up. Yeah, because incarceration has worked so well to fix all of the problems in our utopia called America.
As if jail time going to bring the girl back, or undo what happened.
It was a horrible accident, and yeah, as a gun owner the man should have known better - but accidents happen. People forget to follow proper procedure on occasion, and on this occasion that error led to this accident.
Trust me, if there was anything fishy about this situation or about this guy they would have him locked up.
The parents should be left alone. The LAST thing they need is for the state lock them up after something like this happens - there is no worse punishment than what they are already going through.
Then I am sure we'll have the usual crowd ready to throw all of our rights under the bus with the tired, old, ridiculous "let's ban guns" argument - you know, because criminals that are ready to kill or rob or break every law inm the book will definitely decide to obey a new gun law because.......because why?
The only thing that I would hope for out of all of this is that it serves as a sobering reminder how very important safety and following procedure is when you are dealing with any tool that has the capacity to kill or maim (firearms, vehicles, power tools, electricity, etc)...
In addition to firearms safety, this is as much about home safety and "childproofing" as it is anything else.
Why?
There is no reason why a three year old couldn't pull the trigger on a modern automatic pistol with a round chambered.
FUCK THAT!
(seriously...in addition to the obvious reasons why this is such an awful idea, there is going to be a very large population of people who will see this as "the mark of the beast.")
If the patient is terminal and wants to die, they should die when they wish to; by whatever means are necessary...The fact that the government prosecutes people in some places for euthanasia is disgusting.
Mr. anonymous coward,
You don't know shit about what you're attempting to talk about....I guess that's why you posted as an AC.
This devolved into a pissing match, but it doesn't change the fact that Childs was in the right.
I am the IT director for a medical device company - we make software that runs on laptops which connected to physiological monitors, and the way these connect is via a serial port. I procure the laptops, etc and this has been a major problem since the DB ports started being phased out around 2005 or so.
Serial ports have disappeared from almost all consumer laptops; basically any laptop made for anything other than business or utilitarian use no longer has one.
Models which do have serial ports still are Panasonic Toughbooks, one model of Dell Latitude, and HP and Toshiba both have at least one model. (these are the ones I know about).
USB to serial (DB9) adaptors are convenient and nice and all that, but when things like timing matter they are not reliable - so for things like military and medical applications, they aren't a good way to go.
As far as USB to Serial adaptors go, we've tried all of them, and in my opinion, when it comes to proper timing and reliable usage, the Belkins are the best.
I've lived all over the US, and California does have it's fair share of problems, (like every other state) but you sound like a pretentious asshole who doesn't know what they're talking about and likely has never even visited the state, or has only seen LA or something.
They have horrible gun laws. I will say that.
It's a large, large state - with a lot of very different areas. People like to bash CA, mainly due to their impression of Hollywood and the shite it puts out.
You're fucking kidding me...
Seriously - with all of the issues in my great home state, THIS is how they're spending their time in the legislature?
What a bunch of retarded fucking asshats. Fuck the fucking fuckers.
My understanding wasn't that the this application transmitted sounds - only still pictures.
As far as splitting a sentence between the subject and the body of the post, some people like it, some people think it lacks style, but I have never heard it referred to as rude, but to each their own; for a short post like that I hardly think it matters - but if you enjoy pointing things like that out, knock yourself out.
You mean the same senate that has bought and paid for a significant portion of these congresspeople?
SSIDs in my building:
"Grizzlymuff" ....and yes, the girl in 2b is incredibly hot, I'm sure that's why someone chose to send the entire building (and surrounding bldg's) that incredibly classy message.
"linksys"
"hey 2b I wanna jizz on yr face"
"NDBinternet"
I think this is really funny - because what could anybody do about it?
I wonder if there is anything someone could put in their SSID that would actually cause people to call the police? I mean, obvious things like endorsing blowing up federal bldgs or child abuse might, but then how would they find it? - I mean, obviously it could be done, but would they really do it, just over an SSID - and would they actually try to charge someone?
When I said "The guy came out and admitted what he did" I wasn't suggesting that he came out on his own and exposed what he had done - everyone knows the guy got caught.
I wouldn't call a pseudonym a "professional deception" without seeing more evidence that that was primarily how it was used. I have a different definition of "grifter" than you do.
My point wasn't that what he did was ok, or wasn't wrong - only that in the grand scheme of things it's not that unusual, there are worse examples, and that the guy is going to suffer to what is, IMO, an appropriate enough degree.
I never said anything excuses anything.
I always find it strange when people seem to respond to things I never said as if they were part of my post...
This entire situation is designed to help coerce people and legislators into supporting further restrictions on internet freedom and more - it's entirely apparent.
The other thing that should be apparent is that our intelligence services and military aren't stupid. They've been recruiting people with skills for years.
We're not unprepared; where we stand against Russia and CHina I don't know, but to say we're not ready just doesn't ring true to me.
I agree with Lessig and others about a "cyber 9/11" being on the horizon, and government already having the policies they want but will never get without an attack..... http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=-4631871144083884704&hl=en
I think some people are being a bit harsh. Self important? Definitely. Made bad decisions? Definitely...
The guy came right out and admitted what he did, and people make mistakes. It's very difficult to understand a situation unless you have been in that person's shoes.
He's gotta deal with the fallout over what he did, professionally and in public - and IMO, that's enough.
I guarantee that there are worse assholes posting less credible information all over the place. The moral of the story is that if you buy into the hype machine and sell your credibility to increase your standing it WILL eventually bite you on the ass; and also - it's a good idea to be able to do your own testing if you're really interested in understanding any particular piece of technology, because when money and ego are involved, you can't except anything at face value 100% of the time.
Obviously you didn't RTFA. This school is in my area, and in addition to the article I have heard from others - it was a mandate.
From the article and other sources:
Possession of a monitored Macbook was required for classes
Possession of an unmonitored personal computer was forbidden and would be confiscated
Disabling the camera was impossible
Jailbreaking a school laptop in order to secure it or monitor it against intrusion was an offense which merited expulsion
to put a piece of duct or electrical tape over the cam lens.
I don't care what the school tells you, these people were spying on you. Perbix is obviously a voyeur who got off on being able to do this, and with students posting about how they were FORCED to use these laptops and how any attempt to disable the software could result in expulsion - I would NOT trust that school district, because the only reason this is coming out is because they got caught.
I would tape the cam lens, and if anyone said anything about it, you would know that the the cam had been actived at a time when the laptop HAD NOT been reported stolen.
Even if the kid was shoving heroin suppositories up his ass, it wouldn't make a difference.
Aside from the serious issue of surruptitiously spying on a minor, it's not the school's job or mandate to watch what kids do in the privacy of their home, legal, illegal, or indifferent. They have no right, and if this were evidence in a trial it would be rejected.
I am well aware of what the school CLAIMS the software is there for, in fact, they likely are telling the truth - regardless of that though, the fact is that the information on how to control the cam was either abused or not properly secured. Anybody with a brain knows that people have voyeuristic tendencies, especially when teenagers are involved.
Total bullshit. I wonder what would have happened had they physically stopped him? Did this police just buy Mike Turner's bullshit?
I have another suggestion though - and that is for anyone who would want this game to not purchase it. A boycott, along with a piracy campaign - pirate the shit out of it. It;s about time piracy be used for altruistic purposes.
Could they file suit in the US or wherever the parent company is located?
Is this just the Ad-Hoc network option that can be setup in the network and sharing center, or is it something else?
I have Win7 Ultimate and I can't find anything that refers to "VirtualAP" or "SoftAP."
If all this did was modify or delete the system32 directory, then the data is still going to be on the drives and should be easily recoverable - so I wouldn't refer to those machines as "essentially destroyed," - I wouldn't even refer to the data as "destroyed."
All it means is the machine wont boot normally. I know for most users that renders the machine temporarily useless, but even a low level IT tech should be able to recover data or get the system booting again, there are about 5 different ways to do it.
That doesn't change the fact that someone unleashed this on a civic network, but it bothers me when electronic attacks are described in a way that makes them sound much worse than they actually are - because we already have the government looking to use "cyber security" as the next big issue which they'll surely try to tackle via censorship, privacy violations, internet filtering, and wrongheaded laws.
Yes, I still remember them, those jokes were told incessantly. ..Almost all of them had to do with Christa MacAuliffe (Sp?) - I am thinking it's because she was a teacher and the highest profile member of the crew.
How do you get rid of your favorite teacher?
You "challenge 'er"
And the one about her eyes.,
Many US politicians, corporations and intelligence agecnies loooove to talk about how China should allow internet freedom, while at the same time they're looking for ways to curtail our freedom online over here. Their whole wet dream is for the US internet to be like China's.
So now we get to overhear 'lowest-common-denominator-TV' addicted assholes actually watching their shows, like "The Hills," and "Jersey Shore," in public, on the train, at the grocery store? Kill me now.
Sports fans foaming at the mouth and screaming over some perfect or missed play...
Idiots trying to watch TV and drive (I was kidding a bit before, but this is the one that really scares me).
Don't get me wrong, I love technology and can see certain times where this might be interesting, and I am all for personal freedom - but I am not enjoying the thought of some of the practicalities of life with widespread adoption of such a system.
I see what you did there....
I don't care what the NY Times or LA Times think about ecommerce sites collecting sales taxes. Obviously they're functioning as a mouthpiece for other interests.
It seems that the US government and certain corporate interests aren't going to rest until everything that is great about the internet is destroyed; I am far more concerned about censorship/free speech/organizing potential online thanI am about taxes, but whether it's:
country-wide filtering schemes,
trying to expose bloggers to liability/loss of freedom for reporting news that powerful interests don't like,
All sorts of plans to violate due process/4th amendment rights in the name of groups like the RIAA/MPAA (when "Hollywood" earned far more money this year than any other),
talk of a unique digital online ID, (like an online social security card) that everyone would be required to use to go online so any activities can be traced back to a real name,
network neutrality stuff...
All of this stuff seems to me to have the same goal - taming the internet, turning it from something wonderful into an apparatus that collects information and money on behalf of the state while at the same time ending extremely important sites like Wikileaks, and stopping the free flow and dispersion of information (because the powers that be want to control what you know and learn about)....