I love The Who and got most of them records (in MP3 form, mind you...), and im surely looking for to this new extravaganzic(?) production, but... Generative Music sounds to me a bit strange... why would i like music based on my personality but done by someone else? and who would make this music? Townshend himself would read all that data or some software would automagically output some digital sounds based on my input?? If the latter is true, then i would say - no thanks! But even if it would be human-made, isnt the entire concept in conjunction with the whole idea of music - listening to what OTHERS has to say, and to the why they want to say (or sing...) it. If i wanted music based on MY personality, I would have created the music...
Oh, and yes - Townshend==GOD?! , more likely Reed==GOOD!
What is the purpose of this "un-docummented feature" if all they do with the info is monitor it? How could they achive any valuble info without actually saving and analyzing all of this data? this looks weird to me... If its only for "consumer-tendencies", its pretty stupid...
Anyone got some more info on what specific details are we talking about here?
I think that unlike Rob's opinion, the Internet is doing the exact opposite from holding back human innovation and progress in "real issues" - it "drains" the brightest becuase its the current most fastest advancing field in science/commerence/etc, and it provides complex problems for complex minds.
At its current state, Politics is just a like Advertising - you need to convince people they should (vote/buy) some(one/thing), and you need to convince as much of them as you possibly can, this leads to an approach to the MCD and to the escape to the truly gifted to other fields, where they can express themselves in a fulfilling way.
The Internet (and computers in general) are filling the void created, and are rerouting human effort to newer regions not-yet-explored, this will eventually effect ALL mankind, not just the "too-rich-to-think-of-food" and will yield more efficent and new ways of providing jobs, food, houses and other basic needs to everyone...
And what about other computer-related "activities"?
Typing away for hours in an ASCII-only enviroment?
Reading some/. article in complete silence and sometimes clicking the mouse?
Trying to crack into some god-forsaken box for days in a row of brute-forcing your way into its faluty network settings? All of these and more might appeal to your standard/. reader, but not to John Doe from NoWheresVilla, USA... and he's the game that ultimatly pays the $ to see some flic.
BTW - notice that every time someone talks in some sorta Chat in a movie, he (or someone clode to him) will _ALWAYS_ read the text out loud and comment on it? That simply drives me crazy~!
I think the point was that Clerks does a wonderful job in portraying a proffession w/o dramatizing it or down-grading it...
But then again, Clerks is _WAY_ off your main-stream-hollywood-200$-down-the-washer-picture ... Although its a truly inspiring film, Clerks wasn't seen by many people and didnt even reach most theaters... too bad...
"So Jon you argue that my using of my free speech to call Singer a monster is hysterical and reduces your liberties while your opinion that he is not a monster is worthy and makes us more free?"
No... the problem begins when disagreement turns into censorship and disable one to freely express his ideas in the public for the fear of being hurt becuase of saying what he believes in. By calling someone a monster, and basically de-humanizing him, you are saying that some opinions must NOT be heard becuase they are "immoral" or "monsterous", that is censorship and "mouth-shutting" in its worst form. The limits on one's rights are when the use of those right hurts someone else, that's the main point here - you can criticize his opinion, but you can't force him to not express it!
Whenever there's a story in/. on Hi-Tech, somehow Australia always seems to pop-up as the exception.... but strangly enough, their policy regarding issues such as privacy, security, censorship and online-rights in general seem to conflict: They allow back-engineering, yet censorship internet-porn and plan on rating sites. They are considered quite a liberal country, yet tape people on their streets and identify them with Face-Recognition-Software. Anyone from "down-under" can clarify on this?
Did anyone encounter a bug in which fullsoft.dll crahses Netscape 4.7 as it loads?? Could only run it after deleting that file... still, i prefer it from IE - lets just all pray Mozilla could regain the popularity netscape once had...
"7 a.m. to 5 p.m" - so basically they want the kids to skip school in order to logon the net? with this kind of decisions, maybe they would be better off with "netducation" then with the offical education...
Even when not mentioning the severe ethical dilemas this creates (branding human-beings, creating goverment DBs and monitoring each and every purchuse, etc...) this is not a really good idea - Bio Identification is much more reliable and accurate, and is tougher to fake (rip an eye out or laser off a tattoo...)
and a Barcode tattoo is the best tattoo one can get...
Alan Turing who was mainly responsible for the creation and operation of the COLOSSUS machine cant be reffered to as the NSA predecessor! He was a scientist, a computer pioneer and a brilliant mathematician but by no means was he a spy or some kinda privacy-breaking, human-rights-violating, US-goverment-working guy!
I sure hope none of the goverment branches will use this for espionage... somehow the idea of tempering with human DNA seems a bit spooky to me. And in the wrong hands it could become a very dangerous (+efficient) method of info transfering.
BTW - it doesnt say how much KB you can "stuff" into one person's DNA sequence...ne idea ne1?
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Quite an intellectual remarq...
I would love to hear more of this subject from you, you seem to have a lot to say about it...
After reading a lot of the last week's messages right here at Slashdot, and experiencing some similar situations myself (in Israel...), i agree with JonKatz, us geeks need to form a strong, on-line fighting community with clear and non-conforming goals and morals! We should begin everything from scrach, setup local/global groups of people who will make sure that every one who torture ANYONE else, will pay the price (legally, ofcourse)... If we would join our forces for the common cuase, we can create a force that can not be avoided. With some inspiration and strong will we could begin ourselves the change everyobne is talking about in the media,education system, etc.
Imagine what will happen if every time a geek will be expeled from school becuase of his cloth/on-line habits/gaming prefs/behavior etc, someone will go to the supreme court and get that decision canceled, or if we combine all the messages right here at Slashdot and mail them to each and every big TV station/newspaper/magazine etc...
What im tring to say is that the only way for us to make a DIFFERENCE is by reaching outside of our own closed community and begin to influence the main power junctions of the "normal" culture!
I was reading some of the replies to Ketz's article, and could have written most of them myself about my first couple years in middle-school...
Inpite that, I was amazed by the quantity and the content of them regarding to high-schools in the US; I myself am from Israel, and although we have a *lot* to catch up in law,order,moral and religion issues w/ the USA, i do feel that in the field of inter-school relations, we are a hellofalot better off.
Im a geek (gamer,heavy net user, back&eyez-wrecking-in-front-of-computer, coder, etc), but so are a large % of my classmates (to a lesser extent, but still) and we do not suffer from humanoid jocks and such as much as described here... thankfully.
How do you guys other there allow them to shove you around? Stand up for your rights! FIGHT!
(I dont wish to encourge everyone to violence -- there are other ways of protecting yourself.)
I was wondering how it is like in other non-US schools...
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I love The Who and got most of them records (in MP3 form, mind you...), and im surely looking for to this new extravaganzic(?) production, but ...
Generative Music sounds to me a bit strange... why would i like music based on my personality but done by someone else? and who would make this music? Townshend himself would read all that data or some software would automagically output some digital sounds based on my input?? If the latter is true, then i would say - no thanks!
But even if it would be human-made, isnt the entire concept in conjunction with the whole idea of music - listening to what OTHERS has to say, and to the why they want to say (or sing...) it.
If i wanted music based on MY personality, I would have created the music...
Oh, and yes - Townshend==GOD?! , more likely Reed==GOOD!
What is the purpose of this "un-docummented feature" if all they do with the info is monitor it?
How could they achive any valuble info without actually saving and analyzing all of this data? this looks weird to me...
If its only for "consumer-tendencies", its pretty stupid...
Anyone got some more info on what specific details are we talking about here?
I think that unlike Rob's opinion, the Internet is doing the exact opposite from holding back human innovation and progress in "real issues" - it "drains" the brightest becuase its the current most fastest advancing field in science/commerence/etc, and it provides complex problems for complex minds.
At its current state, Politics is just a like Advertising - you need to convince people they should (vote/buy) some(one/thing), and you need to convince as much of them as you possibly can, this leads to an approach to the MCD and to the escape to the truly gifted to other fields, where they can express themselves in a fulfilling way.
The Internet (and computers in general) are filling the void created, and are rerouting human effort to newer regions not-yet-explored, this will eventually effect ALL mankind, not just the "too-rich-to-think-of-food" and will yield more efficent and new ways of providing jobs, food, houses and other basic needs to everyone...
Typing away for hours in an ASCII-only enviroment?
Reading some /. article in complete silence and sometimes clicking the mouse?
Trying to crack into some god-forsaken box for days in a row of brute-forcing your way into its faluty network settings? /. reader, but not to John Doe from NoWheresVilla, USA ... and he's the game that ultimatly pays the $ to see some flic.
All of these and more might appeal to your standard
BTW - notice that every time someone talks in some sorta Chat in a movie, he (or someone clode to him) will _ALWAYS_ read the text out loud and comment on it? That simply drives me crazy~!
I think the point was that Clerks does a wonderful job in portraying a proffession w/o dramatizing it or down-grading it...
e ...
But then again, Clerks is _WAY_ off your main-stream-hollywood-200$-down-the-washer-pictur
Although its a truly inspiring film, Clerks wasn't seen by many people and didnt even reach most theaters... too bad...
http://www.kavnatoynekoda.org.il
Slash is actually two words in hebrew - KAV NATOY (trans: a slanted line...)
Dot = NEKODA
"So Jon you argue that my using of my free speech to call Singer a monster is hysterical and reduces your liberties while your opinion that he is not a monster is worthy and makes us more free?"
No... the problem begins when disagreement turns into censorship and disable one to freely express his ideas in the public for the fear of being hurt becuase of saying what he believes in.
By calling someone a monster, and basically de-humanizing him, you are saying that some opinions must NOT be heard becuase they are "immoral" or "monsterous", that is censorship and "mouth-shutting" in its worst form.
The limits on one's rights are when the use of those right hurts someone else, that's the main point here - you can criticize his opinion, but you can't force him to not express it!
THAT is immoral.
Whenever there's a story in /. on Hi-Tech, somehow Australia always seems to pop-up as the exception.... but strangly enough, their policy regarding issues such as privacy, security, censorship and online-rights in general seem to conflict: They allow back-engineering, yet censorship internet-porn and plan on rating sites. They are considered quite a liberal country, yet tape people on their streets and identify them with Face-Recognition-Software. Anyone from "down-under" can clarify on this?
Did anyone encounter a bug in which fullsoft.dll crahses Netscape 4.7 as it loads?? Could only run it after deleting that file... still, i prefer it from IE - lets just all pray Mozilla could regain the popularity netscape once had...
/.ed already??? i thought the NYT had some powerful servers... oh, well - i'll check it later
"7 a.m. to 5 p.m" - so basically they want the kids to skip school in order to logon the net? with this kind of decisions, maybe they would be better off with "netducation" then with the offical education...
Even when not mentioning the severe ethical dilemas this creates (branding human-beings, creating goverment DBs and monitoring each and every purchuse, etc...) this is not a really good idea - Bio Identification is much more reliable and accurate, and is tougher to fake (rip an eye out or laser off a tattoo...)
and a Barcode tattoo is the best tattoo one can get...
Alan Turing who was mainly responsible for the creation and operation of the COLOSSUS machine cant be reffered to as the NSA predecessor!
He was a scientist, a computer pioneer and a brilliant mathematician but by no means was he a spy or some kinda privacy-breaking, human-rights-violating, US-goverment-working guy!
All of us owe(?) him a hell of a lot...
I sure hope none of the goverment branches will use this for espionage... somehow the idea of tempering with human DNA seems a bit spooky to me.
And in the wrong hands it could become a very dangerous (+efficient) method of info transfering.
BTW - it doesnt say how much KB you can "stuff" into one person's DNA sequence...ne idea ne1?
Quite an intellectual remarq...
I would love to hear more of this subject from you, you seem to have a lot to say about it...
Psycho....
After reading a lot of the last week's messages right here at Slashdot, and experiencing some similar situations myself (in Israel...), i agree with JonKatz, us geeks need to form a strong, on-line fighting community with clear and non-conforming goals and morals!
We should begin everything from scrach, setup local/global groups of people who will make sure that every one who torture ANYONE else, will pay the price (legally, ofcourse)...
If we would join our forces for the common cuase, we can create a force that can not be avoided.
With some inspiration and strong will we could begin ourselves the change everyobne is talking about in the media,education system, etc.
Imagine what will happen if every time a geek will be expeled from school becuase of his cloth/on-line habits/gaming prefs/behavior etc, someone will go to the supreme court and get that decision canceled, or if we combine all the messages right here at Slashdot and mail them to each and every big TV station/newspaper/magazine etc...
What im tring to say is that the only way for us to make a DIFFERENCE is by reaching outside of our own closed community and begin to influence the main power junctions of the "normal" culture!
GEEKS OF THE WORLD -- UNITE!!!
try67
I was reading some of the replies to Ketz's article, and could have written most of them myself about my first couple years in middle-school...
Inpite that, I was amazed by the quantity and the content of them regarding to high-schools in the US; I myself am from Israel, and although we have a *lot* to catch up in law,order,moral and religion issues w/ the USA, i do feel that in the field of inter-school relations, we are a hellofalot better off.
Im a geek (gamer,heavy net user, back&eyez-wrecking-in-front-of-computer, coder, etc), but so are a large % of my classmates (to a lesser extent, but still) and we do not suffer from humanoid jocks and such as much as described here... thankfully.
How do you guys other there allow them to shove you around? Stand up for your rights! FIGHT!
(I dont wish to encourge everyone to violence -- there are other ways of protecting yourself.)
I was wondering how it is like in other non-US schools...
try67